you vs of this as a consideratioÌ to reduce us to your church when we because such Atheists wicked ar coÌtrary to Gods wil suffred among you doe separate from your Church 3. Agayn who be those godly ministers and people you mean If such as are called Puritans they haue I suppose moe adversaries theâ freinds in your church yea the publick state alwes and canons of your church are against them and all that know the truth of God and theâr estate aright haue just cause to blame them for theâr long halting and dissembling If the Prelates be those godly minâsters they haue in regard of their vnlawfull places and proceedings many good people for their aduersaries both within and without the land and your selues also which suffer for sâparation in your church By neither of these two contrary factions among you ar men ordinarily conuerted unto Christ both sorts setting your selues against the true way of Chrâst for gathering and gouernmenâ of the Church and worship of God and so do hinder mens saluation and deserâe to be not approued but reproued in the name of the Lord. The 5. Consideration 5. GOD hath giuen witnââ for the truth of our ministerie by the vndoubted tâstimony of his gracious presence and approbation of the same by his gifts of 1. sanctifiâation 2 knowledge 3 spirit of discerning 4. of vtterance 5 of power and authority in teaching 6 effectuall and ordinarie âalling and begetting to the faiâh of God and bringing them from darknâs to light from the old man to the nâw from the flâsh vnto the spirit which ministery of ours begat you âlso if ever you were truây bâgotten in the spirit by Gods mârcie hath begotten me other hâs vnworthy seruants Answer 1. THe Papists will say as much as all this and more too if words will serâeâ for the ministery of their church they boast of theâr Friers Iesuâts holines knowledge utterance authority in teaching and their maruelous effects in conuerting to Christianity the Indians other âeâthens all ouer the world Yea what religeon glorieth not in tâe sanctitie gifts and effects of their ministerie But Gods word must try all 2. The ministerie of âour Church being Archbishops L. Bishops Deanes Archdeacons c Priests and Deacons as is to be seen in the books statutes and canons of your church you brâng not here any one word of God or text of scriptures which are his testimonies to witnes for the truth of your ministery and this is indeed worthy to be considered of vs of al that shall read your Considerations 3. Your own brethren heretofore confessed and complayned to the Parliament that you lack in England a right ministery of God that the ministers are neithâr proued elected called nor ordeyned according to Gods word This testimonie being true how then doth God giue witnes for the truth of your ministery 4. The witnesâes that you bring if they be examined wil say little ar nothing to this purpose For 1. The gift of santification is a common note of Christianity 1. Thes. 4.3 1 Pet. 2.9 and therefore no speciall note of a ministery This was Korahs argument when he would haue vsurped the Priesthood All the congregation is holy euery one of them why may they not therefore be Prâests Num. 16.3.10 But what saith the scripture No man taketh thââ honour to himselfe but he that is called of God as Aaron was Heb. 5.4 2.3 The second and third 2 knowledge 3 of the spirit of discerning are also generall for the whole church and not speciall for the ministerie Rom. 15.14 Phil. 1.10 Yea some in the flock may have a greater measure both of sanctification and of knowledge then the Pastor or teacher or any Officer It cannot be denied but Barsabas had knowledge as wel as Matthias yet was he not therefore an Apostle Act. 1.23.26 and they whose genealogies could not be found had knowledge as wel as the other Prâests yet were they not therâfore kept in the Priesthood Ezra 2.62 Boast not you therefore of your knowledge but shew vs yoâr genealogies in the scriptâres There be a great many in your ministerie called dumb Priestâ whâch are but bare readers by whose meanes many people perish for want of knowledge these testimonâes will be dumb for them yet your ââurch proclaymeth them to be ârue ministers Your best ministerâ of whose knowledge you boast shew themseluââ ignorant or worse in the ãâã or ãâã âlanting of a church whâles they will haue it as their âractise proueth with commixââre of al form without separation whereaâ they cannot shew any true church since the beginning of the world but was of a separaâed people Gen. 61.2 12 1. Lâv 20.23.24 Ezr. 6 21. Act. 2 40.41 19 9. c. 4. 5. The fowrth and fift 4. vttârance with 5 power authority in teaching are needfull in such as are ministers but no neceâsarie proof of a true ministerie For had not the false Apostles and Prophets utterance and power that preached wâth eloquence and wisdom of words dâsgracing the Apostles and Prophets of the Lord 2 Cor. 10.10 11.13.15 1. Kin. 22. â4 Ier. 23.31 28.1.2.10 11. 2 Tim. 3.8 Your ministers many preach not at al many preach to mayntain the pompous prelacie laudable ceremonies of your Church and they that prâach best shew little power or authority For how many yeers haue they been preaching for Discipline and against some corruptionâ of your church yet nothing preuailed but are further now at last then they were at the first Who knoweth not that the prelates haue closed vp the mouthes of many Ministers that the prophesie of Esaias is verified vpon them Isa. 56.10 and yet you boast of theâr utterance auâhority in teaching But lamentable ministers are they âll and the best of them may be seen to be but briers and to haue betrayed the authority of Christ For when they took the Order of Priesthood as they call it they solemnly promised euen before the Lord and by his help that they would giue their faithfull diligence alwayes so to minister the doctrine and sacraments and the discipline of Christ as the Lord hath commanded as this realm hath receiued the same according to the commandements of God so that they mought teach the people committed to their care and charge wâth all diligence to keep obseruâ the same They promised also reuerently to obey their ordinary other chief ministers is to whom the gouernmeÌt charg is commited ouâr them following with a glad mind and will their godly admoniâion and submitting theÌseluââ to their godly juâgement Yet your forward preachers as they are esteemed doe not minister the doctrine sacraments and discipline of Christ as thâ Lord hath commanded but sue and wait for authority from the Magâstrate to haue that whâch they count the true discipline of Christ erected in theâr parishes which because the ciuill Magistrate doeth not they practise
not the discipline nor teach their people to keep and obserue the same yea they blame us for practâsing Christs lawes withouâ the Magistrates leaue as if Christ wer not head of the church Prince of all the Kings of the earth Again they administer not their doctrine sacraments and discipline as this realm hath receiued neither reuerently obey their Ordinaries but resist preach and write against the Bishops their canons rites and ceremonies as much as they dare Thus halt they between two opinions and practise neither the discipline of Chrâst nor of the prelâtes whiles yet they would seem to practâse both being in this poynt like to the Saâaritans which whiles they would both fear the Lord and serue theâr images also they neither feared God nor did after their orâinances as the scriptures sayth What then may we esteem of your ministers pâwer and authority in teaching Aâaine cânsider you if some Absolom Adoniaâ or other vsurper should say I haue 1 sanctification 2 knowledge 3 spirit of dâscerning 4 of âtteraâce 5 of power and authoritie in iudging 6 effectual ordinârie decidind ending of controuersies c therefore I am a lawfull King Iudge or Magistrate and God hath giuen witnesse by these vndââbted testâmonies of the truth of my Magistracie whether this âlea woâld serue him or these testimonies approue his office yet are these most âregnant proofs of your Minâstery 6. The 6. and last testimonies is their effectual ordinary calling and bâgetting to the faith of God c. This I haue before touched and shewed that ordinarily they beget not but hinder the true faith they keep the people in blândenes and idolatrie whâch is a worke of darknes and of the flesh and if by their preaching any be brought to the true faith I account it Gods extraordinary work which I doubt not but is also aâoÌg the Papist Againe if this were granted them I would know what office they would claym iâ the church hereby whether Apostleship of some other function For in the Church of Corinth were many teachers and instructours yet begat they not their âeople to the faâth for the Apostle Paul challengeth to be their father only and to haâe begotten them in Christ through the gospel 1. Cor â 15 So there may be a lawfull Pastor or Teacher in a church which neuer begat any of them to the faith but onely nourisheth and increaseth faith in them that were begotten afore He is chosen to feed the flock 1. Pet. 5. â not to begett the same the flock is a company of faithfull people begotten before they haue a Pastâr The begetting of faith was first and chiefly by the Apostles and Evangâlâsts that went about preachâng the word to them that had not heard it Rom. 15 20.21 It âs also by the ministers of churches or prophets though not in office of ministerie whân vnbeleeuers come into their assâmblies 1 Cor. 14.24.25 It is also by all Christians priuately meâ and women which preaching and witnessing the truth of the Gospell reading talking conferring of the scriptâres doe conuert many unto God informe their children and families in the faith and saue their soules Act 8.4 18 â6 1 Cor. 7.16 Eph. 6 4. Deut. 6.7 Sâ the begetting of faâth is no certaine testimony of a true Minâsterie Whereas therefore you conclude that your Ministery begat us also if ever we werâ trâly begotten in thâ spirit we may answer yov with Moses âe take to muâh vpon you yâ sons of Levi. For know you not the wind bloweth where it liâteth and you hear the sound thereof but cannot tâl whence it commeth or whether it goeth and so is euery man that is borâ of the spirit It seemeth you count nothing preaching but that which is in the pulpit nothing the word of God but that which commeth out of your Ministers lips but thanks be unto God that hath giuen vs better to discerne the worke of his grace and hath breathed vpon vs with his holie spirit whiles your Ministers stood lik the 4. Angels in the corners of the earth holding the windes that they should not blow The 6 Consideration 6. ALso our godly people haue all the marks and tokens of Gods people and elect 1 which the scriptures set downe 2 which the people in the timâ of Christ and his Apostles had 3 which the professors of any church that is now in the world haue 4 yea which your selues in your supposed perfection can boaââ of which is sealed vnto them 1 by the care peace and testimony of a good conscience in all things 2 by suffring for sundrie parts both of righteousnes and ãâã 3 by effectual comforts in such sufârings 4 assârance of faith of hope of remission of sinns Gods dear loue vnto them 5 by spiritual loue and thâ fruits thereof 6. by the progresse and daylie growth in knowledge strength and godlinessâ c. Answer THAT many of your people are Gods elect I vndoubtedly acknowledge and I would to God such were the estate of you euery one Yet the constitution of your people in your church is not a Communion of Saincts with which we may participate but a confuse mixture of all sorts of men from which the godly must separate as touching the worship of God In this your defence of them you begin thus Our Godly people Buâ who ar they can we tel are not al your people godly of the true church it is written thy people shal be al righteous if your people be not such why make you not a separation from the vngodly that will not be reclaymed or why cast you them not out from among you Thus ought you to doe by the Testament of Christ. 2. Cor. 6.14.17 1. Cor. 5.13 If you doe it not you profane Gods everlasting couenant I deny not but many hypocrites and reprobates wil creep into the true church and much vngodlinesse will their break out as in any assembliâ in the world but when it is seen the sinner is presently to be reproued and eyther must purge himselfe by repentance or be excommunicate Luk. 17.3 Mat 18.15.16 17. Thus still the church continueth a comâunion of Saincts an vnleauened lump a holy nation 1 Cor. 1 5. â 1 Pet. 2 9. Now for your works and tâkâns you say they have all 1 which the scriptures set ârâw This is denied and had you searched the scriptures you might easilie haue seen it otherweise For They are not a separateâ people called out from the world which is oâe prâncipal âark as before I haue shewed vrged often in the scriptures 1. King 8 53. Isa. 52 1â Ier 15.19 Ioh. 17.14.16 Reu'18 4 They are not the Lords free people injoyâng the libertie of the gospell but in thraldom to strange Lord aâd lawes ecclesiastical Contrary to Lâuit â5 42.55 1 Cor. 7. â3 Ioh 8 32 36 Gal. 5 1. They walk not in the truth of the gospel but in many things ar corrupted with
not slanders but matters known to all that are acquainted with the course and state of your Church Answer ALl this being true it sheweth the badnes of some men not any badnes in the faith we professe An infidel might haue obiected vnto Israel as you doe here The Lord hath testified against you by giuing ouer ouer very many of your people to Carnall life Sedâmitrie Peorisme Bautisme many other idolatries with strange Gods The Papists may and doe obiect the like things to your selues at this day much more iustly then you do to vs. For when any such haue appeared among vs we presently cast them out if they repented not whereas with you such are stil reteyned in the bosome of your Church yea such hereticks and vicious persons as we haue excommunicate you doe entertayn as is knowen to all that ar acquainted with your estate Wherefore the Lord hath testified for vs not against vs whiles by the light of his word such hypocrites haue been discouered and avoyded but you are condemned by your own doctrine whiles such miscreants and flagitioius persons are kept in your communion The 6. Consideration 6. THE churches and godly learned persons that euer heard of your separation did not approue of it which was the quarrel that Fr Iohnson had with Mr Iunius and he sharply replyeth on him Nay Mr Barrow plainely rayseth at Caluin and the Geneua church and euen at al churches in Christendom in his Discouerie and counsels not with other reformed churches about their separation but Answers as Mr Iohnson doth the word is neer vs we need not go ouer the seas to seek it as if the Spirit of the Prophets were not subiect to the Prophets and himselfe as the Pope had infallible rule of inâerpretation of the scriptures in his brest Answer THE strength of this reason is quelled before in the answer to the third of your first Considerations thither I refer the reader Further I answer here that you teach such doctrine as standeth not with Christian freedom or truth whiles you would forbid vs the profession and practise of the Gospel til we haue consulted with and be approued of other persons and Churches For though I grant ther is a good use of aduising with other Churches if conueniently we can eyther when cases are difficult or when in any respect it doe concerne them yet that in all matters of religioÌ ChristiaÌs should be bouÌd thus to walke when the finne to them is euident which to other Churches not wel acquainted with their estate is not so perspicuous this were to abridge Christian liberty and to bring our consciences in bondage vnto men that though God forbid vs al communion with idolatrie yet we may not separate vnlesse they approue it It is contrary to the word of God which teacheth vs that Gods commandement is not hid from his people neyther is far off not alost in heauen nor beyond the sea but in our mouthes âârts to doe it But you to deceiue your reader allege this as if it were Mr. Bârrows or Mr Iohnsons reason and not the doctrine of Moses and of the Apostlâ The colââr that you bring for your selfe is that saying of the Apostle the spirites of the prophâts are sâbiect to the prophâts 1 Cor. 14.32 which scripture considered by the words and circumstances of it will in no weâse proue your purpose Fâr first it may be qâestioned whether the meaninâ be that the spirits of the prophets are subiect to other prophets or to thâmselves For the Prophets among the gentiles such as the Corinthians naturally were were sâbject unto caried and ruled by their spirits and not their spirits subject to them so that they could not choose but sâeâke as Sâbylla wâtneâseth of her selfe neither could they lin or cease speaking when they would themselues yea and in holy scripture we see how Balaam prophesied good to Israel and bleâsed when he would haue cursed thâm Saul also and his messengers prophesied as it were by constreynt being ouermastered by the spirit soo as he could not coâteyn himselfe buâ stripping off his clothes propheââeâ all that day and all that night when he had no purâose thus to doe Now therfor where as the Apostle here had ordeyned that if any thing were reâeled to another that fare by the first prophet should hold his peace because almight prophesie one by one if any should allege that they could not hould their peace but must speak so long as their spirit moued theÌ he telleth them that the spirits of thâ prophets are suâiâct to the prophets so intimating that they may if they will giue others leâue to speak shewing also a reason hereof because God is not the author q of confusion but of peace And if thus wee understand the Apostle his words make nothing for that you say Vnto this also may be added that he speaketh this affirmatâuely they are subject and not by way of ordinance let them be subject as els where he vseth and as other things in this place are spoken as Let the prophets speak Let the first hold his peace Let women be silent But be it granted which I will not deny that he meaneth their spirits wer subject to other Prophets because when they had spoken others were to iudge yet those oâher were the Prophets of âhe same church and there present not in other churches For Paul meant not that the spirits of the Prophets in Corinth were subiect to the prophets in Rome or Iudoea and so must send to them for approbation but appoynteth like order in this as was in all other the Churches of the Saincts And if they were bound as you would haue us to send and submit to other churches and others likeweise to them then no Church hath no power in iâ selfe to aprââe of her prophets or Ministers or of their doctrine without the good likâng of others Which how farr it is from the Apostles mind I leaue it for the dâscreet reader to judge neither thinke I but your owne brethren will distaât yââr so collecting from this place Howsoeâer they doe it is verie like if you had liued in Ahabs dayes and should haue heard 400 prophets at once prophesying good vnto the King and Micaiah onely prophesying evill you would with Zidkijah haue smitteÌ him on the cheek as now you do vs in reproch told him that his spirit must be subiect to the prophets especially they being so many and he but alone But if it were further granted vnto you that we must be subiect to the prophets of other churches yet I suppose you wil not deny but al prophets and churches must trie and iudge euery thing by the word of God according to which if any man speak not his iudgment is not to be regarded And we haue offred and doe still offer our doctrine and practise to the triall
church because a great part of his word and scriptures and of the graces of his spirit are here neuer spoken nor heard nor suffred to be vttered and contrariweise much of mans word and writing is brought in as Aprocrypha books made of old the Seruice and homily books made of late in which also there be manifest errourâ lâes contradictions to the holy scriptures idolatrous and and superstâtious doctrines rites ceremonses c. taught vnto and obserued by th' priests people an idle soul-murthering ministry maynteyned Chrâsts spirituall graces giuen for teaching and building vp his church quenched with other like evils The proof of this may be seen in their communioÌ book whose Kalender alotteth what is to be read dayly and yerely in all their Assemblies where many chapters of the Bible are wholly and perpetually excluded many Apocrypha chapters read as holy scriptures And by the written homilies the graces and vtterance of Gods spirit are extinguished that mans erroneus writing may come in place Besides this all preaching Ministers so limitted and restreyned in their doctrine that they may not preach against any sinn by publick authority establâshed and if they doe they are silenced excommunicated c. this indignity and dishonour Christ will not suffer at mans hands to haue his word and mans word matched together his spirit spirit truth restreyned he wil be Prophet aloÌe or not at al. as they that with the trâe God and his true worship had other Gods also other worships are sayd in scripture to forsake the true God and to bâ without him so they that with the true Prophet and doctor Christ and his doctrine haue other also may rightly be sayd to haue forsaken him and to be wâthout him For when men set their thresholds by the Lords and their posts by his they defile his holy name with their abominations and in vayne they worship him that teach such doctrines as be precepts of men Moreover thiâ Church wanteth part and communion with Christ in that propheticall office which he hath imparted to his peoâle namely power and freedom to witnes professe practise and hold forth the word of life and all that Christ hath commanded to admonish reproue one another for sinne and transgression and eyther if they repent to forgiue them or if they repent not to follow them further vnto the church and even to excommunication for their obstinate violating Gods law That they haue not power or freedome to professe and practise the truth of the Gospel in these things appeareth by their seruile subiection to the hierarchie lawes and canons which are amongst them whereby they are restreyned from professing and practising any further truth then is by law establâshed among them but must obey follow all that their spirituall Lords the Bishops doe inioyne them and may not speake against or reproue any of the abominatioÌs that ar in their church worship Ministery ceremonies c. neyther haue power to deal according to that rule of Christ Mat. 18 15. c for any sinne be it never so horrible and manifest but must leaue it to the censure of the Prelate or hiâ Commissarie who at his pleasure buyeth and selleth the sins and soules of men This bondage the people should not be in if they had and inioyned the word of God which is the truth for that truth would make them free that they should not in this sort be seruants of men But now not haâing power to professe much lesse to practise the truth nor to reproue the euils that reign among them not hauing the free vse of Gods word in priuate nor the right and lawfull Ministery or vse therof in publick they cannot be sayd to haue Christ for their Prophet and Therefore the Church of England is not the true Church of God EVery true Church of God hath Christ for the Priest and Sacrificer of the sâme for he onely is the high Priest of our profession and to him it was sworne thou art a Priest for euer after the order of Melchisedek Heb 3 1 5.5 6 10 9 11. c. But the Church of England hath not Christ for the Priest or sacrificer of the sâme Because the gifts and sacrifices which it offreth vnto God are not presented and offred vnto him by Christ neyther is this church reconciled reconciled vnto God by him And first the worship and seruice which they performe vnto God their prayers prayses and confeâsions which now are Christâan mens sacrifices are not offred and sanctified by Christ because they are false and idâlâtrous wherewith Christ hath no communion For ânstead of true spirâtuall prayer and prayses the fruits of Gods spirit in his âeoâle they read a written leiturgie translated out of the Masse book and accordâng as they are stinted in the same they speak obserâing also the many Popish ordinances râtes and ceremonies commanded in the same as their holy and festivall dayes holy eues and fasting dâyes absolutioÌ of sinns by their priests confirmatioÌ of Baptisme by theâr Prelates profanation of the Sacraments by priâate administration and howsling with them by gossips by idolatrous signes and gestures of croââe kneeling c. also marying by the Priest with signe of the ring churching of womeÌ burial of the dead readâng curses or comminations in stead of discipline besides the sundry errours and vntruthes in that book vayn repetâtions in their prayers and the like All which being commanded and vsed dayly by law of their church without ground from Gods word which approueth none of these idolatries but condemneth them are not sanctified by Christ nor presented vnto God hiâ Father For he will not offer the idol sacrifices neyther will God accept such things as by his law he teacheth all men to abhorr Secondly whereas the bodyes and sowles of men are also spiritual and liâing sacrifices and the persons offred in the Church by the Ministeây of the Gospel should be as the holy flâck as the flock of Ierusalem in their solemne feasts that so the oblation of them might be acceptable being sanctified by the holy Ghost the people offred in this church are a confuse vnsanctified mâltitude not separated from the world as before in the first argument is shewed and many of them so wicked even by the confeâsion of their own ministers and in every honest mans conscience as they neyther deseru to be layd on Gods alter nor to be touched of any true Israelite in such respect Yet ar they by the Priests of this church offred dayly vnto God in their administration and blessed in his name Yea the precious sacrifice of the body and blood of Christ remembred and reâresented by bread and wine at his supper is prostitutââ as if it were an vnholy thing to the prophane and wicked in this church which being vnworthy receiuers are
God who took our nature of the Virgin Mary is our onely and alsufficient Sauiour For proof of this they first allege that thây receiue this truth are the people of God and in the state of saluation they that receiue it not cannot possibly be saued Mat. 16.18 Mark 16.16 1 Iâh 4.2 Col 2.7 But first none of these scriptures doe say that this one article which these ministers haue set downe in this forme of words is the onely fundamentall truth in religion Neyther doth any other scripture that I know of so speake for though Christ onely is the foundation of the Christian church and though as they secondly allege no other point of religion is necessary otherwise then as it tendeth necessarily to teach or confirme this one truth yet foloweth it not but other points also are fundamental truthes the denyall of which will abolish from Christ. Secondly they haue altered added to and omitted some of the words of these scriptures for their own aduantage For fearing that we would as indeed we mean to doe presse them with the profession of the Anabaptists Papists and other heretiks they thinke to preuent vs. And first against the Anabaptists which deny that Christ took our flesh these men haue added who took our nature of the Virgin Mary Then against the papists which hold merit of works they adioyne these words our onely and alsufficient Sauiour And this because the church of England mainteyneth the truth in these points against those fore sayd heretiks On the other hand to help themselues in their corrupt Antichristian walking and false constitution they omit and mention not th' Apostles words Col. 2. wher he sayth As ye haue receiued Christ Iesus the Lord so walke in him rooted and built in him and stablished in the faith as ye haue been taught c The discreet reader may soon espy their purpose in this cunning cariage For let the position be set downe in the scripture termes and we shall see how weake their plea will be The onely fundamentall truth in religion is this That Iesus is the Christ the sonne of the liuing God comen in the flesh in whom we must beleeue and h walke being rooted and build in him and stablished in the faith as we are taught in the new testament If now these ministers will insist vpon the three first scriptures onely and generall terms that are in them it is apparant that the Papists Anabaptists and many other miscreants doe hold and professe them absolutely absolutely But if they joyne with them Colos. 2. and compare the walking rooting building and stablishing in the faith taught by th' Apostles with the Popish church or with their own it wil be found that neyther of them hold the foândation Christ aright Themselues wâll grant it of the Papâsts and other heretiks and for their own church it is before in this treatise proued So then to come agayn vnto their reason that they hold âeâch and mainteyn euery part of Gods holy truth which is fundamântall whereby they woulâ conclâde themselues to be a true chrâch the arâument is deneyed Fâr first if ât were granted that thây hâld âaught and maiâteynâd every part of fundââental truth which yet with them is but one article onely as we haue heard it wâll not follow necessaryly that therefore they are a true chârch or that they truely professe the Christ an faith There wanâ two things 1 obedience to the truth professed withoât which men shal be damned whatsoeuer they professe 2 and a right profession of the true faith onely without errâurs adioyned that ouerthrow the same faith and obedience thereto For if a people profeâsing that onely fundamentall truth which these ministers speake of should withall professe Mahomet the prophet of the Turks or H. N. the God of the Familists or any other like abomination were this misceline profession of Christ and Belial togither a true and sound profeâsion I trow not So then these ministers must alter their plea thus that they hold teach mainteyn and obey every part of the fundamentall truth and nothing els with it that ouerthrowes the same If now they say this they doe I haue before in this treatise disproued it and here agayn will briefly disproue it thus They professe to beleeu the Communion of Saincts and that the visible church is a congregation of faithfull people Yet contrariweise they hold teach and mainteyne that their own church is a true church of Christ though it consists as wel of vnholy as holy infidels as beleeuers and innumerable wicked persons openly seen and known That this they hold mainteyn is proâed by their continual clamors and reprochful writings against vs that call vpon them for a separation of light from darknesse It is proued by Dr Wâitgifts plea before mentioned that the children of Papists heretiks and other wicked persons are and ought to be baptised amoÌg theâ It is further proued by the visible estate of their church knowne vnto all among them and testâfied by her dearest freinds fauourers Mâ Gifford speaking to his brethren âf the Communion of Saincts in Engl. sayth Yee would euen powr out your stinâing and râtâen pâyson like blaspemous and venemous beasts ye would speake after this manner you that are so full of the spirit you that are Saincts and suâh like What are you Diâils are ye of the flesh No doâut ye are vntill God convert ye But we may se how diuiâishly men ar become wicked when a man cannot make any appearance to be godly and holy but it is reproched as though it were a shamefull thing to be lead by the spirit c. These and the like records with the continuance continuance in this confused estate plainely proue an ouerthrow of that article of the true church which is the body of Christ and the body being disanulled Christ the head cannot soundly be reteyned Agayn they professe in Engl. that the puâe word of God is to be preached the sacraments duely administred c. also that in our doings that will of God is to be followed which we haue expresly decleared vnto vs in the word of God Yet withall they professe and practise in that church to read the Apocrypha âcriptures in which are found vntruthes and errors when many parts of the authentik scripture are neuer read among them they haue also written homilies in sted of preaching a written Leâtourgâe Letany collects c. in sted of praying which Leitoargie with all the popish contents therein must be approued and vsed by all the Priests and people and God serued by it euery day They haue also an antichristian clergie caâled and ordeyned according to their pontifical or book of ordination which ân their beleef hath not any thing that of it selfe is sâperstitious and vngodly c. Finally all the Romish reliques yet in England to be seen in the