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A40899 The Lord Cravens case stated; and the impostor dethron'd by way of reply to Captain George Bishop, a grand Quaker in Bristoll. Wherein is briefly hinted, the rottenness of the Quakers conversion, and perfection, in general, exemplified in this busie bishop; in special instanced in his practises against the estate of the Lord Craven, life of Mr. Love. By occasion whereof, this truth is asserted, viz. if we may judge of the conscience, honesty, and perfection of Quakers in general, by this man in particular, a man may be as vile a person, as any under heaven, and yet a perfect Quaker. Farmer, Ralph.; Bishop, George, d. 1668. aut 1660 (1660) Wing F442; ESTC R218269 94,789 137

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brings in Naylor and his Party as Aaron and the Calf-makers and Fox and his Party as Moses the one sinning the other reproving for if this be not his meaning hee produces that and his other instances to no purpose So that hee would have Naylor the Calf and his Party ●ose that worship him Are all the Quakers of England ●f his minde If not as sure it is they are not where ●s still their unity And they may well question George ●s arrogating and assuming unto himself and Foxes followers the spirit of stability and setledness In derogation of Naylor and his Adherents as he doth in page 20. whom they deny as being under the spirit of darkness page 21. And whereas hee sillily seems to triumph over us Priests as hee calls us because wee do not hypocritically and lyingly as they do pretend to bee led infallibly by the Spirits discovery of new doctrines to us as were the Apostles Let him know that wee are led and guided by the Spirit into the knowledge and belief of those truths which were so revealed by belief whereof wee attain salvation and as many as by our preaching imbrace and follow the same truths with us without more or further revelations And wee affirm and prove that so preaching our people ought to hear us and wee are to be believed But doth not the Reader perceive the blinde that George would put upon him Doth hee not discern the end of that long discourse whereby hee would draw him out of the way to cozen him that hee might not look after the matter that was of great concernment and incumbent upon George as the Quakers great Advocate to have undertaken and discharged But of that ne gry quidem as wee say not a word That which an understanding Reader would reasonably have look'd for was that George would have done them this service to have shewed how this can stand with truth That the Quakers are all at an agreement and led by one Spirit of truth When as Fox one great Apostle who also hath many followers shall charge Naylor another great Apostle who also hath many followers that hee and his Disciples are joyned against the truth As in that former Letter and that he trained up a company against it and that their iniquity doth encrease and that accompanied with wilfulness and stubboruness this to bee one in the truth when one considerable Pat are joyned against the truth c. And another thus be witness against them and yet they stubbornly persist George now could have unfolded this riddle hee shot have been the Quakers Oedipus or their great Apollo resolve all their doubts and help them at a dead lift 〈◊〉 not being able to do it hee decoyes his Reader out of 〈◊〉 way and tells him a long story of nothing to the purpose And yet a little further it would be known 〈◊〉 the information of all Quakers in general for I see I 〈◊〉 bee their friend What is or was James Naylor's 〈◊〉 and wickedness that such high testimony is born again it as that the matter must come to blowes Wherefore do these infallible ones thus judge him and his company who are not a few and spirit It is not it seeme● for his and their blasphemous practises for which the Parliament did censure him for this testimony was born against him and the sin witnessed against was long before James riding in pomp No this Fox and his Crew can a● low of and so become participes criminis guilty of 〈◊〉 same crime witness Foxe's and others papers published in print for extenuation and vindication of Naylor witness the Petitions of those eminently godly and conscientious persons who interceded for him with the Parliament and witness Bishop himself page 3. who asks What L●● hath it been made appear to the Nation that Naylor hath broken And then highly aggravates his suffering as unparrallelled So that in this the Priest will grant they are agreed But still wee are to seek what was James his sin Was it because that woman Martha Simons struck him dumb and made him silent so that hee hath not sine spoken in publike Why Is not this now in fashion among them generally Their silent meetings wherein like Pig and Swine they come together and grunt and snuffle and so depart Wee read in the Gospell sometimes of a mad and raving devil that no man could tame Mark 2.3 4. And Matthew sayes he was so fierce Mat. 8.28 that no man might pass by that way And sometimes wee read of a dumb a silent devil so called because hee made those hee possessed dumb and silent so that they were not then free to speak And it seems the Quakers must witness these various dispensations as a part of their perfection This then is not James Naylors sin George Fox or Bishop shall do well in charity to acquaint the World of Quakers with it that they may avoid it lest they come into the same condemnation and to greater consusion and hee bee more puzled wee shall expect it when George gets up into his Throne again and if it bee that Bastard that James Naylor was charged with let them deal plainly with the World for there is since the publication of my Narrative some further discoveries of it more fully as in a book entituled The Grand Impostor examined printed for H. Brome at the Hand in Pauls-Church-yard As also another entituled An exact History of the Life of James Naylor with his parents birth education c. printed by Edward Thomas in Green-Arbour both published by one John Deacon wherein there is also mention made of a Maid seduced to be a Quaker and got with childe by one Duesbury another Quaker which was confessed by her self who also affirmed that Naylor did solicite her to lie with him and possibly this may bee it for George doth not deny it neither in Text nor Margin nor doth hee say it is a lie as hee doth page 6. in the behalf of Howgil whose mouth Martha Simons affirmed shee had stopped It was a lie saith hee for his mouth was never stopped by her but alwayes open to declare against her and their deceit that is James Naylor and his company They were Deceivers then and the Matter of their deceit would be known But I must not stay here for my friend George hath page 24. something further to say to mee And I must acknowledge when I took a survey of his strength and following forces for what is past was it seemes but his forlorn And having a desire to gather up as much as I could together to ease my self and my Reader of impertinencies and tautologies I was confounded with his disorder True in his page 25. he begins with my Title page but in the very next page he leaps to page 30. 31. And in the next to 44. of my book and then in his page 28. to the 30 of mine and 39. and then presently to the 30. again and
and him at a distance lest the noysomness of it should offend you I did in my Narrative by way of dilemma which what kinde of argument that is Scholars know propose two things by way of supposition but positively affirming neither But if either were true as one of them must the matters propounded being apparent I had my end upon them The matter thus There was opposition and witness bearing that 's plain and confest not only by words of mouth and writing but also by blowes and sore beating between Fox and his followers and Naylor and his Now say I here 's opposition manifested and declared Party against Party in appearance I consider'd the Quakers Fox and Naylor an● all of them one and another as pretending to be le● by one and the same unerring spirit and that as they said they were all one but here was division and dagger drawing as it were one against another I look'd upon them in general as deceivers their fruits discovering 〈◊〉 This opposition if true I concluded could not cons●●● with unity and oneness to which they pretended I ha●● no way to determine the matter but thus This opposition of theirs say I was either reall i.e. Fox and h●● Crew were realy and indeed displeased and did judg● Naylor and his or they were not indeed displeased and offended and this oppesition and quarrel might be but from the teeth outward and to blinde the world one of the●● two must of necessity be granted if the former sc that 〈◊〉 was a reall quarrel then their brags of Vnity was a lie 〈◊〉 cheat and they deceivers and impostors that way If th●● latter sc If their opposition were but feigned they we●● cheats and liars that way in pretending opposition whe●● it was not reall Now that either might be true I gave divers ground or reasons not determining for either but absolutely concluding one which was sufficient to my purpose which was to discover their impostures and deceivings An● yet hereupon so simple or so is this fellow as to cr● out Is not the matter granted and the Priest grants it when as 't is easie to discerne I do but argue exhypothes●● and by way of supposition Thus if so then they are divided notwithstanding their professions of unity 〈◊〉 thus as it may be then notwithstanding their outward oppositions they are secretly agreed and they at one either way Impostors And this discovers his delusions in those fourteen pages And yet we see how simply he pleases himself at the end of his thirteenth page and the beginning of the fourteenth vapouring and bragging with high language as if my discourse in that matter were nothing but confusion and contradiction I am no● willing to put my self to so much paines to write it out And here I might end with his 24. page for the matter But there are some things I must take notice of to discover his blindes and juglings with his Reader and his most miserable begging a thing in question nay utterly denied him In the fourteenth page and so on to part of the twentieth hee seems to mee to deal with his Reader as a cunning Thief who over-taking a simple-hearted and unwary Traveller and not well acquainted with the way falls in with him and entertaines him with a long discourse and unawares to the man draws him out of the way to rob him So doth hee make a large story of Moses leading Israel out of Egypt and of his transactions with Corah and his company and of Aarons business with Nadab and Abihu and other such like matters and of the opposition between Paul and Peter and of Paul and Barnabas c. and asks Whether because of these oppositions and contests between the good and bad party the one being in the right and the other in the wrong Whether therefore the Quakers because of their oppositions be a pack of cozening Impostors and lying Mountebanks And he saves if my argument be good or of force to prove the Quakers confusion and that the one true infallible spirit by which they are led is a Babel bauble cheat an Impostor c. because of Foxes and Naylors opposition Then he sayes Moses and the Israelites who kept faithful with God and the Law c. must bee so too And upon this score calls me high blasphemer and arrogant Priest c. Before I make answer I must observe the wretched perverse and prevaricating spirit of this man and how unworthily and indeed dishonestly hee wrests and changes my expressions at his pleasure For where in all or any part of my book did I say that the one true infallible spirit by which the Quakers are led is a Babel bauble cheat an Impostor as hee would make mee to say page 15. of his Pamphlet All that I said was that their pretences to be led by that Spirit was a Babel c. And I deny that they are led by the one true infallible Spirit And now I say further the Spirit by which the Quakers are led is a Babel c. And now to the matter in question And seriously Reader I 'le tell thee truth when I observed his reasoning if I may give it so good a name I could not chuse though alone but smile and was affected I cannot well say whether more with the simplicity of the man in his own understanding in respect of his darkness or with something else whereby hee would impose upon the ignorance of some silly Reader in all and every one of those instances produced by him which is to this end sc to evince this truth for I 'le do him all the right in the World That good men may disagree and not be Impostors as did Moses and Aaron Paul and Peter c. wherein he might have spared himself and Reader a great deal of labour For I readily grant That because some sin therefore all sin is no good argument But what 's this to the Quakers Doth this clear them from being Impostors Wee say whether they agree or not agree they are both wrong both deceivers May not Knaves fall together by the ears Doth their falling out make either side honest Suppose the Quakers and the Ranters who pretended to as high a principle even the same should fall out would that justifie either No no my friend George or who ever helpt him is out they shall not get that by begging which they will never prove nor will wee ever grant them that either Fox or Naylor are in the right or to be believed True it is had either Fox or Naylor been in the Truth as Moset was and Paul was and those other Worthies whom hee instances these allegations had been to purpose but Fox and Naylor both being Deceivers all this matter of Georges is besides the cushion And I cannot but note one thing how bold this man is with all the Quakers that are not of his perswasion as if hee had monopoliz'd the Spirit of Truth and Infallibility he