Lo saith he how from those which he would haue esteemed the lesser he ascendeth to those whom he would haue esteemed the greater Answ 1. The mans wit went a grazing when he wrote this For if he so conclude from the order then Paul must be inferiour to Apollos when Paul was an Apostle and a Planter but Apollos no Apostle and onely a waterer 1. Cor. 3. 6. 2. In Mat. 10. 2. he would haue Peter the chiefe because hee was named first now here the chiefe because hee is named in a third place Saint Paul Gal. 2. 9. puts him in the second place betweene two and will not they hold him the chiefe for this too Doth not vertue consist in the midst for put him in the first place as in Mat. 10. in the third place as in 1. Cor. 3. 4 22. or in the second as in Gal. 2. 9. its with them a profound Reason to make him alwayes the chiefe for he may take what place he listeth Deepe Diuinitie and an inuincible Reason Though Saint Paul in Gal. 2. takes himselfe to be nothing inferiour to him or to other which seemed to bee Pillars and was inferiour to none of the great Apostles 1. Cor. 11. 5. 12. 11. vpon this Text Chrysostome shewes that S. Paul compared himselfe with the Apostles euen with Peter and the rest Luk. 22. 31. And the Lord said Simon c. When thou art conuerted strengthen thy Brethren Answ This place proueth not any Headship ouer the Apostles First hee is called Simon by his common name and not Peter which our Aduersaries stand vpon and make their chiefe argument Secondly this place is to forewarne him of his fearfull temptation and so of his fall thereby the vtter peril wherof he should escape not by himselfe or his owne power and grace but by Christs mediation What is this to haue a Headship Thirdly it teacheth him a duty when hee should be conuerted and be recouered from vnder the fall that hee should confirme others If by confirming the Gagger will hence conclude the practice and exercise of greatnesse ouer the Apostles then Saint Paul and Barnabas had this greatnesse too For they did confirme others Act. 14. 21. and Paul and Silas Act. 15. 41. 1. Thes 3. 2. yea it is a common Duty of euery Pastor Is euery one that confirmeth made thereby a Superiour in Rule and Gouernment Then a Priest confirming his Soueraigne is his Superiour And by this Saint Paul was Peters Superiour for he brought Peter backe from his by-path both by reproofe and publike teaching of the truth and so confirmed him who for feare did before goe astray Gal. 2. 11 17. Fourthly the Lord Iesus if they will here vnderstand the Apostles calleth them Simons Brethren and so giueth them equalitie Lastly where are the Gaggers expresse words for Peters Headship out of this place Is it in strengthening A poore strength to support such a Babylonish Tower Luk. 22. 26. He that is greatest among you let him be yonger and he that is Chiefe as he that doth serue Answ 1. The words in the beginning of this verse are against Chiefety for it is said It shall not be so with you when they were at strife for Superioritie Secondly the meaning of the Greatest and Chiefe on which the Gagger doth fasten his teeth doth not imply as hee pretendeth any Chiefety among them but Christ speaketh according to their aspiring minds not of them as any of them were but as some of them desired to be as is cleare by the speech and Petition of the Mother of Zebedees children Mat. 20. 20 27. Thirdly the occasion and the very scope of the place is against all Superioritie in the Apostles Fourthly it cannot be shewed that any of them all did either claime or practise any superioritie or taught in their writings any such thing Fiftly they did striue verse 24. for superioritie which of them should seeme the greater As yet therefore there was no such greatnesse settled among them 6. If any such thing had beene or had beene intended by Christ to be conferred vpon Peter he had vpon this iust occasion to haue decided the Controuersie as surely he would haue done in Peters behalfe in a matter of so great consequence as our Aduersaries make it as he did in the behalfe of Moses and Aaron to appease the contention against them Num. 16. 17. 10. But Christ telleth them all that no such thing should be among them in this text and giueth the rest authoritie to pull downe the spirit of him that would seeke to be Chiefe to make him as a Seruant as is euident in the words of the text Therefore here is nothing for any authoritie in Peter Nor indeed in any other Scripture XIX Proposition That S. Peter was Head of the Church THough the former Position ouerthrowne sufficiently confuteth this for if Peter be not Superiour ouer the Apostles who were the principall members of the Church he cannot be the Head of the Church yet seeing this Headship ouer the Church is so stiffely stood in I thought good to handle it also distinctly from the rest for more euidence of the truth to common Christians Confuted by their owne Bible I. By appropriation it giueth the title of Head of the Church onely to Christ Ephes 1. 22. 4. 15. 5. 23. Col. 1. 18. And no where doth it make a man the Head of the Church neither Peter nor any other either expressely or by any necessarie consequent II. It calleth the Church the bodie of Christ 1. Cor. 12. 27. Ephes 4. 12. 6. 23. No where is it called the body of S. Peter III. It telleth vs that Saint Peter himselfe giueth to Christ Headship Principalitie and Chieftie and to none other for he calleth him the Prince of Pastors 1. Pet. 5. 4. the Pastor and Bishop of our soules 1. Pet. 2. 25. as he is also called the high Priest of our confession Heb. 3. 1. IV. The Apostles did not know or acknowledge any such Primacy or Headship in Peter For first they sent Peter and Iohn to Samaria Act. 8. 14. which they neither would nor could haue done had he been their Gouernour and Head indeed Secondly Iames in the Councell at Ierusalem tooke no notice of Peters supremacy for Iames did then call him Simon his name before he was an Apostle without any title of preeminencie Acts 15. 14. Hee also said I iudge which word Peter there vsed not vers 19. to whose sentence and iudgement Peter and all the Apostles and Ancients did subscribe vers 22. Thirdly none of the other Apostles then did acknowledge any Headship in Peter for the Decree of the Councell went out vnder the conioynt authoritie of all without speciall mentioning of Peter Act. 15. 23. and 16. 4. Fourthly Saint Paul knew of no such Chieftie in Peter for first when he doth mention any word tending to set out any greatnesse in the Apostles hee applyeth it not singularly as to
prepared and he shall find them cleare and easie to be vnderstood in all necessarie points of faith as experience giueth witnesse and euerie true Christian can testifie Lastly if the Scriptures bee obscure then much more the writings of men and if Scriptures bee hard to be vnderstood then much more mens writings For man when he hath written is not at hand to instruct his Reader but is either absent far off or perhaps dead so that hee cannot enforme the Reader of his mind but God is euer the liuing God and both can and doth enforme by his holy Spirit such as in reading his bookes doe reade deuoutly and beg of God humbly his gracious direction Mans knowledge is but in part he cannot certainely foresee all his Readers what they shall be how they will vnderstand him but Gods knowledge is as himselfe infinite and he foreknoweth all that shall reade his booke and thereafter frameth his Word as is best for their profit To conclude therefore let our Aduersaries impute to the Scriptures what they will let them if they will be still so wickedly blasphemous call them a dumb Iudge inkie diuinitie a leaden rule what else the very same and more also may be spoken of mens writings vpon the forenamed reasons what way soeuer they doe weaken the credit of the Scriptures by the very same doe they much more take away credit from mens writings And therefore let them lay all writings aside Popes decrees and Decretals Canons of Councels the writings of Fathers of Schoolemen of Doctors of Priests and Iesuites and other pettie Writers Pamphlets whatsoeuer if the Scriptures be neglected Act. 8. 30. Philip said Vnderstandest thou what thou readest And he said How can I except some man should guide me Answ 1. Here is a Lay-man well exercised and had his liberty without dispensation for money to reade the Scriptures vers 28. which was neuer denyed to any of the Iewish or Christian Church till the times of this Romish Antichrist 2. This place is spoken of a Proselyte a Noucie in Religion one that dwelt not amongst Gods people to heare the Law and Prophets daily read and expounded as they were in Iudea Act. 15. 21. and 13. 15. Will it follow therefore that what was obscure to him was and is yet obscure to others liuing in the bosome of the Church It will perhaps follow among Papists who haue Scriptures read in an vnknowne tongue and are prohibited to haue them translated and freely to be read of all but not else-where 3. This is but one place and that Propheticall too What will they hence conclude One place that Propheticall was not vnderstood of one man a young beginner and that at the first Ergo all the holy Scriptures are obscure to all the people and that for euer In Romish Diuinity a goodly conclusion 4. He vnderstood it after by Philips guiding and beleeued in Christ vers 36. 37. We acknowledge the people to need a guide but let them reade freely as the Eunuch here and where they doubt let them aske their Teachers or let Teachers like Philip goe to them and direct them in reading but take not Bibles from them and burne both them and it as furious Firebrands haue done without all example of any good men from the worlds beginning Luk. 24. 25 27. O Fooles and slow of heart c. Beginning at Moses and all the Prophets he expounded vnto them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himselfe Answ 1. Christ reproueth not simply their ignorance of Scripture but rather their slownesse of heart to beleeue and apply all that the Prophets had spoken 2. Expounding argueth not obscuritie in the Scriptures but want of vnderstanding in the men and yet not that altogether but in some degree or measure 3. The things were not euery thing in the Scripture but that which concerned Christ himselfe touching his suffering and rising againe to glory which being then vnperformed and future were the more obscure euen to the Disciples themselues before their illumination Christs words therefore are proper to those persons and to that time till he had better informed them and not to be applyed to this time when all those things are plainely taught vs by the publication of the Gospell and doctrine of those Apostles and Disciples who therefore receiued miraculous illuminatiō by the spirit that they might preach and write clearely to vs euen to all people of those things Reuel 5. 4. And he to wit Iohn wept much because no man was in Heauen or in Earth found worthy to open the booke and to reade the booke neither to looke thereon Ans 1. This may bee meant metaphorically of some other booke of Gods Counsels and Decrees and if of the Bible yet not of the whole Bible but of the booke of the Reuelation except the Papists will haue Iohn at this time one that neuer had been worthy to open or to reade or to looke into Gods Word What none neither in Heauen nor earth Neuer a Prophet Neuer an Apostle to haue hitherto opened the Bible How then was Moses and the Prophets read vnto the people before Iohn was in Pathmos 2. This speakes not of the obscuritie of the booke but of the vnworthinesse of any saue Iesus Christ to vnloose the seales and to open it vers 9. 3. This is but of one booke and that before it was vnsealed and opened will it therefore follow that all the rest of the books are hard to be vnderstood being all open and none prohibited by God to reade them 2. Pet. 1. 20. No prophecie of Scripture is made by priuate interpretation Ans 1. Who wil deny this or which of vs holdeth the contrary 2. Here is nothing for the Scriptures obscurity but rather this proueth their plainenes for it speakes of their interpretation accounting holy mens speaking in the Scriptures as they were moued by the holy Ghost to be an interpretation and that not a priuate but a publike interpretation not made of their owne wil or of mans wil but of the will of God as his Spirit led them Mat. 13. 11 36. To you is giuen to know the mysteries c. Expound to vs the Parable c. Answ 1. This place may bee brought as well against the Word vnwritten as written for Christ wrote not but spake the Parable which they desired to haue expounded what will become then of their vnwritten word if that be obscure too Hee that alleaged this against the plainenesse of the written Word much forgot himselfe and his vnwritten word 2. Vnderstanding this of the written Word nothing can be more against themselues for here it is said that it is the gift giuen to the Church to vnderstand the Mysteries of the kingdom of God 3. They desired Christ to expound the parable What then Ergo the Scripture is obscure A grosse conclusion for it was Christs not written but as then his vnwritten Word and a Parable which they vnderstood not
but he plainely expounded it afterwards vers 37. 43. and now it is written So that what at first was not vnderstood was after explained vnderstood and the same also written And therefore the Scripture is not obscure by this Parable but rather the more cleare because it is written and the interpretation thereof also Luk. 24. 45. Then he opened their vnderstandings that they might vnderstand the Scriptures Answ 1. This place is to be vnderstood of such things as concerned the Messiah touching Christ his suffering as afore in vers 25. 26. 2. This is nothing to the obscurity of the Scripture for the Scripture was cleare but their vnderstanding was not till hee opened it and what they then vnderstood not now euery ordinary Christian doth know and can finde it laid downe plainely in the Scriptures of the New Testament by the Apostles themselues Therefore if their ignorance at that time of those things may conclude obscurity of Scripture then the same after knowne of them and taught fully to vs in Scripture may make for the Scriptures clearenesse 3. We acknowledge that all need to haue their vnderstandings opened by Christ to read the Scriptures because the naturall man perceiues not the things of God but are spiritually discerned 1. Cor. 2. 14. But is the Sunne darke because God doth make a blind man to see it Yet thus our aduersaries reason The Scriptures are obscure because God opens mens vnderstanding to see the things therein deliuered 1. Cor. 12. 20. To another discerning of spirits to another kind of tongues to another interpretation of Languages Answ Here is not a word of the obscurity of holy Scriptures but of extraordinary gifts then by Gods Spirit bestowed vpon some for the Churches good to make the Scriptures easie Luk. 8. 10. To you it is giuen to know c. The answere to this is as to the place in Mat. 10. 11. but they alleadge moreouer Luk. 18. 34. And they vnderstood none of these things Answ 1. This place is not against the Word written For all those things then not vnderstood they after vnderstood and wrote them and wee plainely doe vnderstand them in Scriptures 2. This place speaketh of the Word deliuered by Christs mouth I hope they will not haue that Word obscute too what will then become of the Traditionall word which they so prattle of But the Gagger heapes vp any thing to make a shew though he speake at vnawares against themselues 3. Still here is of things and not of the Scriptures and of onely some things but not of all They cannot therefore conclude the generall that the Scriptures are obscure Luk. 2. 50. And they vnderstood not the Word hee spake vnto them Answ 1. The fault is laid vpon their vnderstanding 2. It is not of the Scripture but of a word then not written 3. Ioseph and Mary vnderstood not then that Word Ergo none now Is it not now written and doe not euery one now know that he spake of his heauenly Fathers businesse Belike if the blessed Virgin Mary were now vpon the earth the papists would not allow her to reade the Scriptures 2. Tim 3. 7. Alwaies learning and neuer attaining to the knowledge of truth Answ 1. Here is no Scripture mentioned 2. If they will haue this to be of their learning the Scriptures then this sheweth that women in those dayes meddled with Scriptures which the Papists now cannot abide to heare of 3. The fault is not laid vpon the truth but vpon those learners negligence or dulnesse 4. Consider what learners they were First silly women Secondly loaden with sinnes Thirdly led with diuers lusts Fourthly led captiue by false Teachers verse 6. It is no maruell that these could not come to the knowledge of the truth and because such could not attaine to it therefore is it hard to be attained to of all others This is an excellent Scripture to shew why the collapsing women and such Apostates as fall from vs now to them cannot attaine to the knowledge of the truth because indeede they are laden with sinnes led with diuers lusts and by false Teachers led captiue to their destruction because here they neuer had a true loue to the Truth 1. Ioh. 4. 6. Hee that knoweth God heareth vs he that is not of God heareth vs not in this we know the Spirit of Truth and the spirit of errour Answ What they can conclude hence touching the Scripture I see not The Spirit of Truth in man which teacheth him to know God teacheth him also to heare those which are sent of God and likewise where the spirit of error is and such as are not of God cannot listen and giue eare to such as are of God for the spirit of errour opposeth the true Teachers as Papists doe vs. Psal 119. 18 34. Open thou mine eyes c. and giue me vnderstanding c. Answ Wee teach that to come to knowledge all must pray to God to instruct them euen the best learned 2. Dauid that now prayed had a great deale of vnderstanding as he confesseth in vers 11. 54 97 98 99 100 104 105. therefore here he prayeth to be more and more acquainted with heauenly knowledge desiring the increase thereof for the godliest haue not al knowledge at once It is not the word of Scripture that Dauid desires vnderstanding in nor to haue his eyes open to see what the Words of Gods Lawes were but he would see the wonderous things thereof And trow wee when your infallible Doctour the Pope shall take vpon him to expound Scripture in Cathedra will hee not first pray to God to open his eyes and giue him vnderstanding Surely his eyes were not open that made this obiection 3. There is a litterall Historicall and outward knowledge of the holy Scriptures which Dauid was not ignorant of but there is also an internall a spirituall and heauenly vnderstanding thereof which God onely must open our eyes to see and this Dauid prayed for and these things so heauenly and spirituall he held to be maruailous and these prayed he to haue his eyes open to see also to increase in the vnderstanding of them IV. Proposition That the Scriptures doe not interpret themselues and that the true sense may not bee fetched out of themselues Confuted by their owne Bible 1. THeir Bble teacheth vs that the Scriptures are of God 2. Tim. 3. 16. that he himselfe wrote some Exod. 24. 4. Deut. 9. 10. Hos 8. 12. othersome his Prophets Exod. 24. 4. Deut. 31. 9 24. Esay 8. 1. and 30. 8. Ier. 29. 1. his Euangelists Luk. 1. 3. his Apostles 2. Cor. 10. 11. And these the Lords Scribes were so commanded to write Exod. 17. 14. and 34. 27. Deut. 27. 8. and 31. 9. Ier. 30. 2. Heb. 2. 2. Reu. 1. 11 19. The Scriptures therefore are called the Oracles of God Rom. 3. 3. Now thus then I reason All wise mens writings carry such a coherence and dependancie in them whether they
Bishops with the Councell at Chalcedon of 630. Bishops gaue to the See of Constantinople equall priuiledge with Rome But in these things say the Papists the Councels erred therefore in some things generall Councels may erre euen in that point which to the Papists is most fundamentall being the very soule and essence of Popery in that part which consisteth in vsurpation and tyrannous dominion ouer all other Churches The Scriptures obiected answered Esay 59. 21. This is my Couenant with them My Spirit that is vpon thee and my words which I haue put into thy mouth shall not depart out of thy mouth nor out of the mouth of thy seed nor out of the mouth of thy seedes seede saith the Lord from henceforth and for euer Answ 1. I answere that the Prophet speakes here of Gods Couenant with them that is with those that turne from transgression in Iacob and so of the faithfull and elect and not of the Church visible of which we speake II. Here is no promise that the Church shall not erre but that he will bestow on them which exercise the Ministery his Spirit and his Word continually for the Churches good III. If he will needs hence conclude that the Church cannot erre 1. He must proue that the Teachers doe euer teach the truth by Gods Spirit and by Gods Word which are to go together Ioh. 14. 26. and 16. 13. Mat. 18. 19 20. 2. That the hearers the members of the Church doe euer receiue beleeue and follow their Teachers thus teaching by the Word and holy Spirit which two things rest for him to make good ad Graecas Calendas IV. This promise made must needs be vnderstood conditionally of the visible Church and of an ordinary Ministery for Esay tells vs afterwords how they vexed Gods Spirit chap. 63. 10. We see how the Church of the Israelites and that at Ierusalem hath been cast off of God and hath now neither Word nor Spirit of God to direct it Christ found her Teachers in his time full of errors as they grieuously erred before 2. King 16. 11. 2. Chron. 36. 14 16. Esay 56. 10. Ier. 5. 1. Mal. 2. 8. And we know by experience in our times and by faithfull relation aforetimes that Teachers haue erred and people haue not euer embraced the truth when sound Teachers haue deliuered it let Christs hearers be instance for all and those in Iury which heard the Apostles V. If this were a good argument where Gods Spirit and his Word is there can be no errour then would it follow that no ordinary member of Christ should euer erre for such a one hath Gods Spirit 1. Ioh. 2. 20 27. Rom. 8. 9. 2. Cor. 1. 21. and his Word Deut. 33. 3. by which they become beleeuers Ioh. 17. 20. But this I hope a Papist will not grant and yet the argument is the same Ioh. 14. 16. I will pray the Father and he shall giue you another Comforter that he may abide with you for euer euen the Spirit of truth Answ 1. This place is primarily to be vnderstood of the Apostles to whom the promise of guiding into all truth was a speciall priuiledge Mat. 10. 20. Ioh. 14. 26. and 16. 13. 2. Of the succeeding Teachers but with no such speciall priuiledge for first there are no such promises made to them Secondly experience teacheth that they haue wanted this priuiledge Thirdly the hearers haue libertie to search and trie that which is deliuered if they doubt 1. Thes 5. 21. 1. Ioh. 4. 1. Ioh. 5. 39. Act. 17. 11. Waldensis one of their owne side saith Li. 2. ca. 19. de Doct. sid of particular Pastors and Bishops We know that these haue often erred 3. Neither the abiding of the Spirit for euer where it is nor the title of Spirit of truth will enforce euer an infallibility in teaching for it is called the Spirit of sanctification or holinesse Rom. 1. 4. for that he worketh in vs holinesse and is euer abiding in the godly who are the Temple of the holy Ghost and yet are they not so sanctified but they often offend in life So is it the Spirit of truth because it enlightneth the minds of men with onely that which is truth and guideth them in the truth if they follow their guide but if they doe not they may yea and doe erre from the truth Mat. 18. 17. If he neglect to heare the Church let him be to thee as an Heathen and a Publican Answ 1. This is meant of an euident case proued by witnesses before the Church in matters of offence betweene one priuate man and another wherein the Church may giue right sentence if she will yet we see such as meddle in the Churches censures doe not euer proceede aright This place therefore is not to the matter of doctrine and determination of faith the point in question neither doth it proue that in her censure the Church cannot erre for saith their owne Panormitan as before is cited A generall Councell representing the whole Church may erre in excommunicating him that should not be excommunicate These words speake not of the Churches either not erring or erring but of other hearing the Church and how they should carry themselues towards such as will not in so cleare a case heare the Churches admonition 3. It s not here commanded that he should be held as a Heathen and Publican that would not heare the Church in whatsoeuer she saith for Christ here speakes of the Iewish Church then as appeareth by the name Heathen and Publican which were abhorred of the Iewish Church Now that Church wee reade did excommunicate a blind man which receiued sight for his professing of Christ Ioh. 9. 34. and had agreed to put any man out of the Synagogue which should confesse Iesus to bee Christ v 22. and did also forbid to teach in his name Act. 4. 18. 4. This place is spoken of some Ecclesiasticall Gouernours if it be extended to vs hauing the power of censures in a particular Church which the Learned in their Church doe confesse may erre and therefore this helpes not to proue that the Church cannot erre Esay 35. 8. And a high way shall be there and away and it shall be called The way of holinesse the vncleane shall not passe ouer it but it shall be for those the way-faring men though fooles shall not erre therein Answ I. This verse is wholly allegoricall and therfore cannot so well be inforced for dogmaticall proofe without a full explanation of the words which the Gagger should haue done II. It is altogether against himselfe in the exposition if hee either durst or had been able to haue set it downe for by high-way may be vnderstood the common profession or points of Religion for good and bad as the high-way is for all then the way of holinesse is taken for a more strict profession or more straight Rules of Religion If so then consider the persons who they bee that shall not
13. 15. for that hee is able to saue vs for euer Heb. 7. 25. and therefore to goe with confidence to the Throne of Grace Heb. 4. 16. for in him we haue affiance and accesse in confidence by the faith of him Ephes 3. 12. whom the Father euer heareth Ioh. 11. 42. IV. Their Bible teacheth vs that albeit we need and haue also a Mediatour betweene God and vs yet it is needlesse to make any Intercessour to Christ for he is one that hath compassion of our infirmities Heb. 4. 15. he commands vs to come to him Mat. 11. 28. and is alwayes liuing to make intercession for vs Heb. 7. 25. Seeing then he only is for vs to God and that we need none betweene him and vs not any Intercessour to an Intercessour the praying to Saints or Angels is a vaine shew of wisdome in superstition and humilitie in a will-worship which the Apostle condemneth Col. 2. 23. Lastly it is so farre from humilitie not to doe what God willeth vs to doe though it may seeme otherwise to our selues that it is to God grieuous Esay 7. 11 12 13. Ahaz was willed to aske a signe hee refused holding it to be a tempting of God but the Prophet reproueth him for it We are commanded to come to Christ In our conceits this is presumption but hauing a warrant so to do we sinne as Ahaz did and grieue the Lord in being ruled by our owne wisdome and not by Gods Word V. Their Bible teacheth that prayer can be made to none but to them in whom we must beleeue Ro. 10. 14. How shall they inuocate in whom they haue not beleeued Therefore except wee beleeue in them we cannot pray vnto them But to beleeue in any creature the same Bible forbiddeth and pronounceth them accursed which so doe Ier. 17. 5. And in our Creed wee are taught to beleeue in God and not in any creature as the Romane-Trent Catechisme teacheth in the Article of the Catholike Church VI. Their Bible teacheth that not onely the members of Gods Church prayed onely to God but also that the very Heathen themselues neuer prayed to any thing but what they held to be God Ion. 1. 5 6. The men cryed to their god vers 5. and the gouernor said to Ionah Inuocate thy God v. 6. Now Papists pray to them which they hold not to be gods and therefore herein by the witnesse of their owne Bible are more absurd then the Heathen And yet many of the common people are more dangerously stupid on the other side For they worship them for so many gods and put no difference betweene them and Christ Contraried by Antiquitie Epiphanius in pag. 447. Greeke The body of Mary was holy but it was not God and she was a glorious Virgin but not giuen vs to worship Ignatius in Epist ad Philad O ye Virgins haue before your eyes inlightened by the Spirit onely Iesus Christ and his Father in your prayers Origen cont Cels lib. 8. In one place he saith Onely by the guide of Christ we are brought to the Father And in another Christians make their prayers onely to God by Iesus Christ S. Austin confess lib. 10. cap. 43. speaking of Christ saith vnto God The true Mediator whom thy secret mercy hath made knowne to the humble is Iesus Christ the Mediatour of God and men And on Psal 69. If wee should worship the Angels saith hee wee should learne of themselues not to worship them The interlineall glosse on Esa 63. saith that Austin was of opinion that the Saints departed know not what the liuing do here in this world Ambrose D. obitu Theodos Thou Lord onely art to be inuocated Ierome ad Heliodor Epist 3. cap. 1. We ought to inuocate by prayer to call vnto vs none but God Nicephorus hist lib. 15. cap. 18 telleth vs that one Peter Fuller 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 fiue hundred yeeres after Christ Bishop of Antioch a Schismatike inuented the Inuocation of our Lady that shee should be named in all prayers If praying to her was so late what may be thought of praying to Saints See Chrysost hom 7. on Col. 2. Ambrose in Rom. 1. 5. pag. 177. The Greeke Scholiast pag. 697. Theodoret on Col. 2. pag. 776. Gainesaid by themselues Eckius Enchirid. cap. 15. confesseth that there is nothing expressely to be found in the Scriptures that Saints must be inuocated Bellarmine confesseth that the Saints in the time of the old Testament were not inuocated De Sanct. beatit cap. 19. And Salmeron saith that touching this matter there is nothing to be found in any of the Epistles 1. Tim. 2. Disp 2. Art 7. s prim This Suarez also acknowledgeth that before Christ not any man directly prayed to the Saints departed that they would helpe them or pray for them Tom. 2. in Tho. Disp 42. Sect. 1. pag. 434. Dom. Bannes 22. q. Art 10. pa. 170. saith that inuocation of Saints is neither expressely nor vnfoldedly taught in the holy Scriptures Tho. Aquinas in Reu. 8. verse 3. pag. 226. Christ saith hee not by another but by his owne selfe offereth the prayers of the iust to his Father and then addeth this reason For there is no other Mediatour He speakes here of Christ the Mediator of Intercession that there is no other Here had hee forgotten their distinction that the Saints are Mediatours of intercession Scriptures obiected answered For praying to Angels Gen. 48. 16. The Angell which redeemed mee from all euill blesse the Lads Answ 1. Iacob beginneth his Prayer to God verse 15. and addeth this Angell as equall with God for he saith God that feedeth The Angell that deliuereth blesse these children Where there is a continuall ioynt act of both as both being but one indeed For God as Esay saith wil giue his glory to none other And Dauid ascribes redeeming to the Lord Psal 31. 5. II. It is cleare that the Angell which deliuered Iacob was God Gen. 31. 11. where the Angell saith that hee is the God of Bethel verse 13. This is the Angell whom hee there prayed vnto to be deliuered chap. 32. 11. and here acknowledgeth to haue redeemed him III. Iacob prayeth that this Angell would blesse the children Now God onely giueth blessings Iam. 1. 17. Ioh. 3. 27. Psal 84. 11. 121. 1 2. and of God Iacob desired to bee blessed Gen. 32. 26. This Angell therefore was God and not a created Angell IV. If they will haue it a created Angell it may then be thus expounded The God that feedeth me the same God which by his Angell as his instrument deliuereth or redeemeth mee c. So as his inuocation is still to God though hee mentioneth the instrument by which God vsed to deliuer him For hee speakes here of redemption from euils and not of that which was wrought by Christ in the flesh except so farre forth as temporall deliuerances were types of this spirituall Tobie 5. 16. God which dwelleth in Heauen prosper your iourney
among ciuill-minded men which know how to gouerne themselues after a commendable fashion in well-ordered societies but yet all these with great weakenesse and maimedly Fourthly in sinfull actions euen to the full and that with greedinesse Ephes 4. 19. as to blaspheme despise Religion persecuting the truth and to doe all manner of euill drawing iniquitie in cords of vanity and sinne as the linke of a Waine Esa 5. 18. as farre as God will permit Fifthly in outward meanes tending to spirituall ends by Gods appointment as to come to the Church to say prayers to reade and preach the Word to heare it read and preached to receiue the Sacraments to conferre and reason of points of Religion to professe it openly to submit and outwardly to conforme to the orders of the Church and to obserue such things therein as be common to the outward profession of Christianitie But herein the power of the will is wonderous weake and defectiue as is cleere by too lamentable experience and in the iudgement of euery mans conscience Thus farre man hath free-will before regeneration but the power thereof in these forenamed meanes is not without the common helpe of Gods Spirit for a man cannot say that Iesus is the Christ but by the holy Ghost and this will of man is also vnder Gods will as all these places shew Ier. 10. 23. Pro. 16. 1 9. 19. 21. 20. 24. Iam. 4. 15. Psal 21. 11. Heb. 6. 3. Act. 18. 21. 1. Cor. 4. 9. For God in his wisedome determineth all things by his power subdueth all things and by his prouidence disposeth and guideth all things Psal 135. 6. Ephes 1. 11. Sixtly when God by his grace repaireth the losse of free-will in spirituall things and giueth a man a will to repent beleeue loue and obey God then in these spirituall things hath his will a power to beleeue repent and so forth willing his owne eternall comfort with God and true fellowship with those that truely loue God but not before GOD worke this will in him which will is yet but partly to good for that it is partly to euill being here sanctified but in part as appeareth by the infirmities and falls of the godly yea and this will wrought needeth continuall assistance of diuine grace that the same may will vnto the end These things premised will helpe to answer the obiected Scriptures by the Aduersarie and to make euident the point in Controuersie and the question betweene vs and them The state of their Tenet That mans will hath a naturall power in it selfe co-working with Gods grace in the very first instant act of a sinners conuersion to which actiuitie of the will such conuersion is in part to be attributed Confuted by their owne Bible BY their owne Bible a man is wholly dis-inabled of his own naturall will though neuer so well morally qualified truely to will spiritual good things for his owne eternall saluation and peace with God First it sheweth him to bee conceiued in iniquities and sins Psal 50. 7. and to be a transgressor from the wombe Esa 48. 8. Psal 51. 7. and to be a seruant to sinne Rom. 6. 20. and so it strips nature making a man naked of all spirituall good as of abilitie to perceiue and know the things that are of the Spirit 1. Cor. 2. 14. to see the Kingdome of God Ioh. 3. 3. to thinke any thing of himselfe as of himselfe 2. Cor. 3. 5. For no good dwelleth in him Rom. 7. 17. How then can we will that which wee cannot perceiue nor know nor see nor so much as once thinke of being indeed alienated from the life of God Ephes 4. 18 Without Christ able to doe nothing Ioh. 15. 5. but are become altogether vnprofitable not one of vs doing good no not so much as one Rom. 3. 12. Secondly it taketh him hauing thus found him naked and without the life of God and layeth him dead in the graue of sinne being dead in sinnes and offences Ephes 2. 1 5. Col. 2. 13. Now what power of will is there in a dead man Thirdly hauing thus put him dead into the graue of sinne it couereth him ouer with corruptions His vnderstanding is obscured with darknesse Ephes 4. 18. his wisedome is an enemie to God Rom. 8. 7. an enemie in sense Col. 1. 21. blindnesse is ouer his heart Ephes 4. 18. yea all the cogitations of his heart are bent to euill at all times Gen. 6. 6. peruerse it is and vnsearchable Ier. 27. 9. and as Montanus translateth deceitfull aboue all so as it is not neither can bee subiect to the Law of God Rom. 8. 7. whereby hee is wholly giuen ouer yea and giueth himselfe to the operation of all vncleannesse with greedinesse Ephes 4. 19. being vnwise incredulous erring seruing diuers desires and voluptuousnesses liuing in malice and enuie hatefull and hating one another Tit. 3. 3. walking according to the course of the world and according to the prince and spirit of Darknes doing the wil of the flesh and of the thoughts and so by nature the child of wrath Ephes 2. 2 3. If it be thus with man by nature where is the power of his free-will specially if we consider him to be in the deuils snare and held captiue at his will 2. Tim. 2. 26 Fourthly thus hauing couered him ouer with his foule corruptions their Bible maketh him in the very first instant act of his conuersion meerely passiue And this it doth First by remouing the cause of our new-birth from our selues we are not borne of bloud nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man Ioh. 1. 13. Secondly by denying man to haue any thing to giue vnto God first We haue not first giuen vnto him Rom. 11. 35. Wee haue nothing that wee haue not receiued neither haue wee whereof to glory as not receiued 1. Cor. 4. 7. by denying him to bee able to doe any thing Ioh. 15. 5. as to haue power to heare Christs Word Ioh. 8. 43. to beleeue to receiue the Spirit of truth Ioh. 14. 17. to know God Matth. 11. 27. to chuse Christ Ioh. 15. 16. to come to Christ Ioh. 6. 44. to enter into the Kingdome of God Ioh. 3. 5. to come whither he is gone Ioh. 8. 21. And the reason is giuen because they are not of God Ioh. 8. 47. because it is not giuen them of God Luk. 8. 10. because they are not his sheepe Ioh. 10. 46. because their eyes are blinded and their hearts indurate Ioh. 12. 40. and they haue not eyes to see nor eares to heare Rom. 11. 8. nor hearts to conceiue 2. Cor. 2. 9 10. Thirdly by affirming that very powerfull meanes yea though men be wise and prudent yet are not auaileable where God giueth not heart to vnderstand eyes to see and eares to heare Deut. 29. 3 4. Luk. 19. 42. Matth. 11. 25 27. Fourthly by ascribing to God all that wee are all that wee haue all that
hauing thus fallen how can they alledge him to proue perfect obedience For perfection is not in one point or in all for a time but in the same for euer Thus we see that there is no perfection of obedience in any to keepe the Law Therefore is there no workes of supererrogation for they that boast of these must bee in all perfection obedient to the Law first and then doe more then God commandeth either expresly or deriuatiuely For reasons against this point see Moulins his Buckler of faith pag. 173. 70. Sect. and Doctor White his last Booke pag. 521. Sect. 2. to pag. 534. Scriptures obiected for workes of supererrogation answered Matth. 19. 21. If thou wilt be perfect goe and sell all that thou hast and giue to the poore c. Answ 1. Christ here teacheth not that a man may in this life attaine to perfection to doe all that God commands and more too For first he had taught the contrary Luk. 17. 10. Secondly in Mark 10. 21. Christ leaueth out the word perfection and telleth him plainly that he lacked one thing Thirdly Saint Paul for all his excellencies and his manifold sufferings for Christ 2. Cor. 6. 4 10. yet hee did not attaine to perfection Phil. 3. 12. But here Christ speaketh to the vainely conceited yong man who as Austin in Epist 89. saith answered more arrogantly then truely and as Basil saith gaue false testimonie of himselfe when he said he had kept all these to wit all the Ad Hilarium lib. 4. de linquendis facultatibus commandements from his youth vp saying What lack I yet as if he had lacked nothing when he was apparantly couetous Mar. 10. 22. To suppresse this excesse of pride and to discouer his folly Christ thus speakes to him and not to set out a new Doctrine and way to perfection not contained in the Law Secondly these words are not a bare counsell as some conceit because it is said if thou wilt For this kinde of speaking notes not the thing spoken of to bee euer in a mans libertie and pleasure to doe or not to doe for so then should we not be tyed to Gods commandements for thus hee speakes in vrging to the obedience of them in verse 17. of this Chapter and Deut. 28. 1 15. it is said If thou wilt or if thou wilt not So in Esa 1. 19. These words imply not the libertie of choise but rather the desire of the minde to attaine to some thing yet lacking as by comparing Matthew here with Mark chap. 10. 21. it may appeare Thirdly the words giue vnto the poore are plainely a commandement This is a duty commanded and the Law requireth the works of Charitie and Almes to be giuen to the poore This is no counsell left to mans free choise to doe or not to doe as these places shew 1. Tim. 6. 17 18 19. Heb. 13. 16. to striue to perfection is commanded also Matth. 5. 48. Heb. 6. 1. 2. Cor. 7. 1. increasing more and more 1. Thes 1. 10. and 4. 1 10. 1. Pet. 2. 2. 2. Pet. 3. 18. Act. 20. 32. So it is not in our libertie to stand at a stay but we are tyed and bound to grow in grace in knowledge in faith and in good workes Thirdly Goe and sell all that thou hast This also is a commandement for it hath the forme of a commandement Goe and sell And though it be not an ordinary commandement to binde all yet was it a commandement to this young man for the present to try him and to discouer him as Gods commandement to Abraham to sacrifice his sonne Gen. 22. Seeing therefore that these words containe in them Commandements and not a bare counsell this place is nothing for arrogantly conceited works of supererrogation Fourthly if it were granted to bee a counsell yet being Gods counsell it is not best to our libertie to doe or not to doe for God who is great and wonderfull in counsell Esai 28. 29. Ierem. 32. 19. his counsell bindeth and to neglect and despise it is sinne and deserues punishment Psal 106. 13. and 107. 11. Prou. 1. 25. Luk. 7. 30. And therefore vpon Gods counsels they can build no workes of supererrogation 1. Cor. 7. 25. Now concerning Virgins I haue no cōmandement of the Lord yet I giue my iudgement c. He that giueth her in marriage doth wel but he that giueth her not in marriage doth better ver 38. Answ 1. Here is not the word Counsell though they for aduantage so translate it For the word in Greeke which is for 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 counsell is not here vsed but another which signifieth a sound and graue sentence and iudgement more then counsell and aduice 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 For the Corinthians had written about the matter verse 1. and the Apostle giueth his iudgement what is most conuenient and fitting for the present time verse 26. Secondly this his iudgement hee giueth by the aide and assistance of Gods Spirit verse 40. and therefore were the Corinthians highly to reuerence his iudgement yea and to submit vnto it as being giuen from an Apostle hauing Gods Spirit and one that had obtained mercy of the Lord to bee faithfull verse 25. and had the wisedome of God to iudge what was best to bee done Thirdly by saying he had no commandement from the Lord his meaning is hee had no expresse precept in particular but not that he had no commandement at all For he taught nothing which he had not from the Lord at least included in generall precepts from which by the direction of Gods Spirit hee deduced particulars considering and applying them to the circumstances of times places and persons This the Apostle doth here for Christ cōmanded his to be without worldly carefulnesse Mat. 6. 25 31 34. and to mind heauenly things chiefly ver 33. Now the Apostle at this time grounded his iudgement vpon these precepts and considering the present distresse and troubles of the Church applyed the same to the question of marrying or not marrying as is most cleare in verses 32 33 34 35. So then here is no counsell or bare aduice but his iudgement vpon the question grounded first on Christs commandements and then deliuered faithfully by the guidance of Gods Spirit This place therefore is nothing for workes of supererrogation or for counsels tending as they dreame to perfection Matth. 19. 12. There be Eunuches which haue made themselues Funuches for the Kingdome of Heauen Hee that is able to receiue i◠let him receiue it Answ There are here two things First a commendation of some Secondly a commandement vpon some Out of neither of these can they build their workes of supererrogation Not out of the first First they are to proue that these Eunuches were perfect fulfillers of the Morall Law Secondly that they did this which they did vpon counsell and not of dutie Both which they are to proue before they proue vpon this their commendations their
yea glorying as if we had in possession that which we expect to haue and neuer confoundeth nor maketh vs ashamed that is faileth vs not of that which wee looke for but wee finde surely what hope expecteth then much more are wee made confident by faith it selfe and particularly assured of that which God hath promised euen remission of sinnes and eternall saluation seeing hope is the fruit of faith Contraried by Antiquitie Tertul. in lib. de Baptis Faith saith hee hath safe securitie of saluation Cyprian de Mortal God hath promised vnto thee when thou departest out of this world immortalitie and eternity and doest thou doubt thereof This were not to know God this is to offend Christ the Master of Beleeuers with the sinne of vnbeliefe this is for a man being in the house of faith to be without faith Ambros in Psal 118. Serm. 7. pag. 641. saith The iust man knoweth that eternall life is laid vp for him Austin on Psal 149. There is a kinde of glorying in the conscience when thou knowest thy faith to bee sincere thy hope certaine and thy loue without dissembling And Tom. 2. de verbis Domini Serm. 28. All thy sinnes are forgiuen thee Thou art made a good sonne of an euill seruant Therefore presume thou not of thy working but of the grace of Christ for saith the Apostle Ye are saued by grace Here therefore is not arrogancie but faith to make knowne what thou hast receiued is not pride but deuotion Hilary in Matth. Can. 5. The Lord will haue vs hope for the kingdome of heauen without any doubting for otherwise there is no iustification of faith if faith it selfe be vncertaine Fulgentius lib. 1. de pradest ad Monimum The iust liuing by faith saith confidently I beleeue to see the goodnesse of the Lord in the land of the liuing Macarius hom 17. Although speaking of the godly they are not yet entred into the whole inheritance prepared for them in the world to come yet through the earnest which they now receiue they are as certaine of it as if they were already crowned and raigning Bernard in Epist 190. ad Innocent PP If faith wauer then is our faith in vaine and our Martyrs were fooles to suffer such bitter things for vncertaine rewards And a little after he saith citing Austin for it That faith is not held of him that hath it in his heart to be there by coniecture or in opinion but by certaine knowledge the conscience giuing witnesse thereto Gainesaid by their owne men The Diuines of Collen say That we are iustified by faith as Antididagm Colon. pag. 29. by the apprehending cause such a faith as without all doubting assureth vs of the pardon of our sinnes through Christ The same Diuines in Enchirid. Concil Colon. tit de iustif cap. Non habes ergo confesse this for truth that to a mans iustification it is required that he certainly beleeue not onely in general that they which truely repent haue their sinnes forgiuen them by Christ but that his own selfe hath also forgiuenesse through Christ by faith Now if faith can assure vs certainly and without doubting of our iustification and remission of sinnes then so it can assure vs of life euerlasting Bishop Fisher in opuscul de fide misericord axiom 10. saith that if we will enter into heauen we must not come with a double heart or wauering faith but with that which is altogether without doubting and most certaine Ioh. Bacon Catharin cited by Perer in Rom. 8. D. 7. Num. 27. 30. select disput Tom. 2. affirme that the knowledge of faith is equall in certainty and farie aboue and more certaine then all other knowledges Isengren pro Concil Trid. de certit grat pag. 217. saith that their Diuines all the chiefest which hee had read for that purpose though they did not allow a man to be altogether secure and free from all care heedfulnesse yet with one voice teach that we must not tremble or mistrust but haue a firme hope and certaine confidence and saith further that this is the doctrine of all the Schoolemen and Fathers since the Apostles Scotus 3. D. 23. pag. 46. As I beleeue God is three in person and one in essence so doe I also beleeue my selfe to haue faith infused whereby I beleeue this Bannes in Thom. 22. Euery one that beleeueth seeth he doth beleeue Medina 1. 2. q. 112. Art 5. Caietan ibid. and Bannes too dare affirme that a Christian man by the infallible certaintie of faith which cannot be deceiued certainly knoweth himselfe to haue supernaturall faith Dom. Soto Apol. cap. 2. holdeth that a man may attaine to that certainty of his owne grace that he may without all doubting be as sure thereof as he is that there is a Citie called Rome See diuers other testimonies cited at large by Doctor White In his way to the true Church Digres 43. Num. 9. 10. wherehe sheweth that such as will not allow the certainty of faith yet hold sure and firme certainty of hope as excludeth all doubtfulnesse touching remission of sinnes And can they thus allow it in hope which is but a fruit of faith and hath all it firme and sure certainly from faith and not admit it in faith it in saith it selfe This is nothing but wretched peruersenesse of spirit against the cleere light of truth Before I come to the obiected Scriptures some things are needfull to be knowne both more cleerely to shew that which we hold that we may not be mistaken as also to helpe to the better answering of such places as be brought forth against this particular assurance of a mans saluation First that this iustifying sauing and applicatiue faith comprehending in it both historicall and temporarie faith is euer accompanied with other graces of Gods Spirit as with knowledge 2. Cor. 4. 13 14. and 5. 1 6. with hope 1. Pet. 1. 21. with Loue and Charitie Gal. 5. 6. Ephes 6. 23. 2. Tim. 1. 14. 1. Thes 5. 8. 2. Thes 3. 6. with holinesse and sanctification Iude vers 20. 2. Thes 2. 13. with puritie of heart 1. Tim. 1. 5. Act. 15. 9. with a good conscience 1. Tim. 1. 5 19. ioy Phil. 1. 25. with obedience Reu. 14. 13. with good workes Iam. 2. 22. Heb. 11. with open profession 2. Cor. 4. 13. Act. 4. 20. Rom. 10. 10. with Prayer Iam. 1. 6. and 5. 15. Iude verse 20. Rom. 10. 14. with godly sorrow feare holy reuenge on a mans selfe 1. Cor. 7. 11. with patience in aduersitie Iam. 1. 3. 2. Thes 1. 4. Heb. 6. 12. Reuel 13. 10. and with many other vertues 1. Cor. 7. 11. 2. Pet. 1. 5 6 7. 2. Tim. 2. 22. and 3. 10. 1. Tim. 4. 12. Reuel 2. 19. 1. Cor. 6. 11. So that such as haue this faith are no Solifidians as our Aduersaries please in malice to call vs. Secondly that the graces haue their proper operations which this faith doth not hinder but rather they
from Gods people 1. Ioh. 2. See how Saint Austin thus expounds the meaning largely cited by Bishop against Bishop of the certainty of saluation pag. 321. 322. 19. First saith the Apostle They were not of vs that is not of the Elect for by vs Iohn vnderstands himselfe and the Chosen of God effectually called true beleeuers liuely members of Christ and children of God which they indeed were not though by profession for a time they had the name to be such Secondly that if they had beene of vs saith he they would no doubt haue continued with vs. Where the Apostle cōfidently speaketh saying No doubt that such as be of the number as hee himselfe was of do continue and fall not away from them Thirdly that all among those iustifyed ones are not of them but other are mixed with them these are they which fall away and not any of the rest totally and finally Fourthly that albeit these are not manifest to men so long as they abide in the Church but seeme to be the same that others be yet their falling away discouers thē to be none of that blessed number yea and therfore they fal away that it might be made manifest that they were not of them And to this adde the place of Iude ver 19. That they who separate themselues are sensual hauing not the Spirit and if any man haue not the Spirit he is none of Christs Rom. 8. 9. Therefore they are not regenerate by the Spirit they are none of Christs which fall away a See Seigfridus Saccus de Academica Pontisiciorum dubitatione in negotio iustificationis very largely handling this matter from all Topick places howsoeuer for a time they may seeme to bee his These seeming faithfull ones onely fall away and none of the truely iustified The obiected Scriptures answered Luk. 8. 13. They on the Rocke are they which when they heare receiue the Word with ioy and these haue no roote which for a while beleeue and in time of temptation fall away Answ It is not denied of vs but that some kinde of beleeuers may fall way This is not the question but Whether true beleeuers hauing sauing faith and truely perswaded of Gods mercy towards them in Iesus Christ bringing forth liuely fruits of faith can finally fall away This is the question and not the other To this place then I thus answer That it speaketh not of them that beleeue by a iustifying faith which rooteth vs into Christ but of an inferiour faith as the words plainely teach for it is said that they haue no roote which for a while beleeue Such indeed may and doe fall away in time of trouble for Religion Therefore it is weake and rootlesse arguing from the falling away of them which haue this rootlesse faith to conclude the falling away of them which haue true sound iustifying faith For albeit sauing faith includeth historicall and temporarie yet be they not one and the same but doe much differ as before is manifested and euen also out of this Parable For First Temporarie faith is in them whose hearts are rocky and stony Luk. 8. 13. but sauing faith is in those whose hearts bee good and honest verse 15. Secondly Temporarie faith is in them that receiue the Word immediately with a sudden affection of ioy Mar. 4. 16. Matth. 13. 20. Ioh. 5. 35. but no mention is made of sound iudgement and vnderstanding or of an attentiue minde to learne vnderstand and keepe it But sauing faith is in him that so heareth that he doth vnderstand it in hearing attendeth intendeth in hearing to vnderstand 3. Temporary faith is in them which haue no root in themselues Mat. 13. 21. nor moisture Luk. 8. 6. But sauing faith is in them that haue root Ephes 3. 17. and are full of moisture maintained by the fountaine of Christs grace for our of the belly of such beleeuers shall flow riuers of liuing waters Ioh. 7. 38. which shall spring vp to eternall life Ioh. 4. 14. 4. Temporarie Faith they may haue which yet want liuely fruits though they may doe in shew many things Mar. 6. 20. Therefore in this parabolicall exposition Christ mentioneth no fruits of this temporarie faith but sauing faith in them that haue it beareth fruit and bringeth forth some an hundred some sixty and some thirty fold Matth. 13. 23. Mar. 4. 20. Lastly temporarie faith in time of trouble and persecution for the Words sake doth not preserue such beleeuers from being forth with offended thereat Matth. 13. 21. Luk. 8. 13. But sauing faith keepeth a true Christian from taking such an offence making him to keepe the Word and to bring forth fruit with patience Luk. 8. 15. in which patience they possesse their soules and so fall not away Therefore seeing there is such difference betweene these it will not follow though temporarie faith fall away that therefore sauing faith should fall away And yet either thus must they conclude hence or they conclude nothing out of this Text for their purpose 1. Tim. 1. 19. Holding faith and a good conscience which some hauing put away concerning faith haue made shipwracke Answ 1. This speaketh of blasphemous men verse 20. who had put away a good conscience at least the shew of it which can neuer be separate from sauing faith verse 5. And therefore by faith here cannot be meant that excellent faith Secondly here by faith is vnderstood the doctrine of faith Oecumen on this place and profession thereof which they that lose the care of a good conscience soone make shipwracke of and fall from That faith is put for the doctrine and profession of faith these places shew Act. 6. 7. Gal. 1. 23. 1. Tim. 3. 8. and 4. 1. Tit. 1. 3. Thirdly if it be taken for the gift of faith it must then bee vnderstood of groundlesse temporarie faith which may bee lost and not of iustifying faith which as before is proued cannot finally be lost 2. Tim. 2. 18. Who concerning the truth haue erred saying that the Resurrection is past already and ouerthrow the faith of some Answ 1. Faith is here put for the faith of the true doctrine concerning the Resurrection which by false Teachers was ouerthrowne and namely by Hymenous and Philetus Secondly these some whose faith was ouerthrowne were not Elect nor true Children of God for in the next verse 19. it is said Neuerthelesse the foundation of God standeth sure hauing the seale The Lord knoweth them that are his As if he had said Though these false Teachers ouerthrow the faith of some yet are these none of the Lords Elect none of his adopted children whose knowledge of them is a sure seale an vnmoueable foundation that they cannot perish Therefore these some not being of the Elect their faith was not the faith of the Elect nor faith of that kinde but another faith of baser mould and so not that sauing faith of which the question is 1. Tim. 6. 2. Which some