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A77137 A defence and justification of ministers maintence by tythes. And of infant-baptism, humane learning, and the sword of the magistrate; which some Anabaptists falsely call four sandy pillars, and popish foundations of our ministry and churches. In which tythes are proved to be due by divine right to the ministers of the gospel. All common objections answered, and divers cases of conscience humbly proposed: with a light to clear them. / In a reply to a paper sent by some Anabaptists to Immanuel Bourne, late pastor of the church in Asheover in the county of Derby: now preacher to the congregation at Waltham in the county of Leicester. With a short answer to Anthony Peirson's great case of tythes, &c. Bourne, Immanuel, 1590-1672. 1659 (1659) Wing B3851; Thomason E1907_1 92,679 184

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Tongues at Babels building Gen. 11. we lost those Original Languages of Hebrew and Greek in which it pleased the holy Ghost the holy Scriptures should be written for our Learning Rom. 15.4 that we through patience comfort of them might have hope And although God did miraculously bestow the gift of Tongues to the Apostles and others in the Primitive times as we read Acts 2.4 yet that gift is not now obtained without mens teaching and much labour and industry And had it not been for humane learning how could you have had the Holy Bible translated into the English Tongue or how could you spell or read or write English or have gotten any measure of that knowledge you pretend to have I will easily grant that if you had been trained up in the Universities and had as much Learning Divine and Humane and as much Grace and natural parts and gifts of God as Gods faithful Ministers have you might preach as well as we and as lawfully too if you had as lawful a Call and Ordination to the ministerial Office and therefore whatsoever high thoughts you have of your selves you are but meer intruders and furtherers of the Kingdom of antichrist of errours Mat. 13.25 in stead of Truths which such Teachers do sow as the envious man did tares amongst the good wheat of Christ The Lord open your eyes to see your presumptuous sin if it be his will Thus I have said sufficient for Reply to your third sandy Pillar and Popish foundation of Humane Learning which may much rather be charged upon your selves as favourers of antichrist The Triumph of Learning by R. B. B. D. Fellow of Trin. Col. in Cam. 1653. Mr. Hall Pulpit guarded the 3 Edition and many Popish errours broached amongst you by divers of your Society But if you would see more to convince you of your erroneous opinion of Humane Learning and your unlawful practise of preaching at unfit times and unfit places to oppose and withdraw from the godly Sermons of Gods faithful Ministers Read those Books of the Advancement and Triumph of Learning over Ignorance and Truth over Falshood written by Mr. Boreman and others And the Pulpit guarded written by Learned Mr. Hall occasioned by a dispute with a Nayler a Baker a Plow-wright and a Weaver publick Preachers nibled at but yet not answered nor can be to justifie your practices whatsoever you or any of your company pretend to the contrary A DEFENCE of the Sword of the Magistrate Anabapt Answer Fourth sandy Pillar and Popish Foundation I Am now at last come to your last Sandy Pillar and Popish Foundation which so much troubleth you and causeth you to separate from our Reformed and Reforming Congregations and this is you say The Sword of the Magistrate which say you the Priests have in all generations run unto Take that away and then you tell us we would be in danger to starve amongst those we call Christians Mr. Bourns Reply For Reply I cannot but wonder you should dare to speak against the Magistrates sword since you enjoy such Liberty of Conscience and such Protection under it I had thought Tertullus Oration before Felix might rather have befitted you Seeing that by thee we enjoy great quietnesse Acts 24.2 3. and that very worthy deeds are done unto this Nation by thy Providence we accept it alwaies and in all places most noble Felix with all thankefulnesse much more living under Christian Magistrates A Christian Parliament and Christian Judges and Justices such as have been and are so tender over and for truly tender Consciences and of peaceable spirits though of different Judgements in their Worship of God through Christ Jesus according to the Scriptures Can you justly desire more than you have except you would have all in your own power and if so then we have cause by your expressions of your minds to fear it would be very much against the Godly-faithful Ministers in England and their established Maintenance both by the Laws of God and the Nation as we hinted before But I believe I may guess at your meaning you are not offended at the Magistrates Sword as it is a defence unto you and your peace but as the Magistrates blessed be God for it by their Power defend Us and Our Maintenance by Tythes according to the Law and present Government established and why I pray you may not we have protection by the Magistrates Sword as well as You Is this a Peaceable and Christian behaviour to desire and be well-pleased with Liberty of Conscience and quietness for your selves and to desire and endeavour the same may be denied unto us yea to have us denied our setled maintenance by Tythes and We and our maintenance to be banished the Common-wealth as Antichristian Is this according to our Saviours rule Mat. 7.12 to do as you would be done unto certainly no this rather discovers a spirit of Antichrist a persecuting spirit rather than a spirit of love and peace such as becometh Saints But let me reason the case a little with you Is not the office and calling of a Magistrate an Ordinance of God Rom. 13.1 2 3 4. read Rom. 13. and consider it well Let every soul ●e subject to the higher Powers for there is no power ●ut of God and the Powers that be are ordained of God and he that resisteth the Power resisteth the Ordinance of God and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation for Rulers are not a terror to good works but to the evill VVilt thou then not be afraid of the Power do that which is good and thou shalt have praise of the same for he is the Minister of God to thee for good but if thou do that which is evill be afraid for he beareth not the Sword in vain for he is the Minister of God a Revenger to execute vengeance upon him that doth evill wherefore you must needs be subject not only for wrath but also for Conscience sake But your conscience is against the faithful Ministers of God in England and their maintenance by Tythes and therefore You cannot be subject and what if Yours be an erroneous deluded deceived conscience do You not then sin in refusing to give obedience to the Christian Magistrate and good Laws of the Nation which require the payment of Tythes certainly you will confess you do if there be christianity or conscience or ingenuity in you but if you do not can you well say why should any Minister appeal unto or make use of the Magistrates Sword to compel you to do your duties are you not free and have Liberty of Conscience I answer if it were demanded would you not have liberty not only from Tythes but from Taxes also if it were in your power You will answer as these thirty Congregations the Faith of which you sent me do in the Postscript of that Book That you do own a Magistratical Power for the governing this our