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A54424 Battering rams against Rome; or, The battel of John the follower of the lamb, fought with the pope and his priests, whilst he was a prisoner in the inquisition-prison of Rome. Also, a certain remonstrance of righteous reason, written in Rome-prison of mad-men, unto all Rome's rulers. Together with a post-script, to all tender-hearted Roman Catholicks.; Battering rams against Rome. J. P. ((John Perrot)), d. 1671?. 1661 (1661) Wing P1612; ESTC R217527 61,566 173

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except the Works be perfect yea or nay Que. 13. Whether had not the Jews all the words of the Prophets and yet when Christ came slew Him who was the Virtue Sum Substance the Beginning and End of the life of the Prophets And whether you being out of the Spirit of Christ are not under the judgement of Jeremiah's words viz Though they say the LORD liveth surely they swear falsly Que. 14. Whether did Adam lose mor●… in his life than CHRIST came to restor●… unto Man in this life Which is the greater the living soul or the quickning spirit And whether is any one or more of you Members restored unto either or not in the life of either of these two states yea or nay Que. 15. Whether is not all Sin of the Devil and he that commits Sin of the Devil yea or nay Concerning the true Church Query 16. Whether is not the Trut●… Church the Body of CHRIST which is in GOD And when Paul spake of Christ and the Church whether did he not speak of a Mystery yea or nay Que. 17. Whether are the Members of Christ's Body evil And if sinners be Members of Christs Body tell me if any other spirit be the sinnews of that body besides the spirit of the Devil which leads into sin and evil yea or nay Que. 18. Whether is not the perfection of the Glory of GOD in his Church And whether doth that remain among sinners yea or nay Que. 19. Whether hath not Christ said Without exception God heareth not sinners and therefore saith James You ask and have not And whether doth not God hear the Prayers of his Church yea or nay Que. 20. Whether doth not Paul say That Christ's Church is without spot or wrinkle to bring it into which state he purged every branch and the unfruitful he cut off And tell me since the last two hundred years whether your Members have encreased in more Sin or in more Holiness in outward shew and practice in their conversation Que. 21. Whether all that commit Sin are not in the Apostacy from the Spirit which is the life of the Church and leads out of all sin yea or nay Que. 22. Whether is not Christ the Promise of the Father The Seed of the Woman shall bruise the Serpent's head And did he come to do lesse than was promised Now search you the Prophets and see what was promised and also answer me When the Serpents head is bruised is not Man as he was in the day that he was created yea or nay Que. 23. What is Salvation and R●…demption and Restauration and from wh●… and unto what and when Que. 24. Whether the evil works all men is not Testimony of the false fa●… of all such men And if Adam for one 〈◊〉 lost so glorious an Estate How think you wi●● your so many sins shall you be made Inheritors of his first state Que. 25. Whether can any of you just say That Christ is the end of the Law f●● Righteousness unto you who never came 〈◊〉 the beginning of the Righteousness thereof Did Christ come to destroy the Law or 〈◊〉 fulfil the Law Do you believe Paul's Testimony of Christ in whom he was reveale●… who therefore testified That the Righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in them that walk nor after the flesh but after the Spirit And whether is any one of you s●● entred into the Spirit yea or nay Que. 26. Is any one or more of you truly in the Faith to witness unto John's Testimony who said As Christ is so are we in this present world and whether were they the●… in sin yea or nay Que. 27. Whether did not Christ rebuke Hypocrites when he said Why call you me Lord and do not the things which I say And Did not Christ say unto his Disbiples Be ye perfect as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect And Whether do you think that he was an unequal Lord and his Commandments grievous which could not be born yea or nay Que. 28. What are the Clouds and the time of the Night and the cause of the Darkness Blindness and Ignorance And what are the Vails which cover the Heart and the understanding part And how is the World set in man's heart whereby man cannot find out the Work which GOD maketh from the beginning to the end thereof Que. 29. What is that which removes the Darkness breaks thorow the Clouds rents the Vails and drives back the mist and thickness of the Night And whether is not that which is the Cause and that which removes the Cause these two still the same since the Fall unto this day of man's remaining under the Curse in the Fall And whether any thing redeems out of the Curse but that which redeems out of the Fall and is not every sinner in the Fall yea or nay Que. 30. What is that which takes away the Original of Sin and if the Original which is the root and off-spring be take away the root not left in ground how ca●… a branch grow or fruit be brought forth GOD saith the soul that sinneth shall die And Whether do you otherwise believe Tha●… if you live in sin until death but you sha●… receive as Paul saith the wages of sin whic●… is death yea or nay These things are but that which ma●… lead unto an entrance of somewhat mor●… to follow which I offer as hereby directe●… in the Substance to all such as desire to know the new birth And when the Learne●… have answered them as the liberty of Pen Ink and Paper is afforded me I may explicate your Replications and shew the groun●… thereof and withall try if the key of the understanding all Mysteries is among you which is in the Church of Christ and any thing concerning the Kingdom of God Call your Councils together I am an alone Child propound your Queries and let me answer them for in GOD is my trust and not in self who am his Servant From the Inquisition-Prison in Rome J. P. THe Church of Christ this day stands in the Doctrine of Christ. They are in the Life which cannot recompence unto any man evil for evil but good for evil but you I find recompencing evil for good which is contrary to all good You are in the nature and practice of the Scribes Pharisees and Hypocrites which Christ cryed Wo against You call men Lords and Masters and are called of men Lords and Masters You love Greetings and Salutations in the Market-places and in these things love to be seen of men And you are in the delight of the uppermost Rooms and Places at Feasts and love the honour which comes from men All which is contrary to the Doctrine of Christ But the Church of Christ speaks not more of Christ than as they live and walk in the Doctrine of Christ Number over your Traditions and compare them with what Christ and his holy Apostles delivered that you may see in how much you are short
and in spirit be provoked unto Holiness which stands not in the wilful afflictions and penance heaped upon the vessel of the creature Man or by hanging down the head like a Bulrush for a day but by a due and diligent search of the hidden man coming unto the Judgment of Truth and revelation of the Indignation and Wrath of the Lamb which is slaughtered in the streets of Mystery Sodom That you may come to the Testimony of the DAY of Vengeance and the acceptable Year of the LORD until which the works of your wills in all your daily services are but as the offering of the sacrifice of Cain who killed the Just. And furthermore hereby I give you to understand That there are but two Seeds known unto all in the Substance two Wills two Natures two Spirits and each of them the ground and root which yeelds the fruit of good or evil in all whether Prayers Preaching Plowing or Planting even all which is brought forth within or without by either of them the one the Redemption out of the Fall and from the ground of the first Apostacy in lost Adam and the Restauration unto the first state of Innocency the other the Plant of Perdition which holds in the Captivity even all the Professors of the Name of Christ who are alienated from the Life of Christ in the ground of the second Apostacy under which you have concluded your selves as Christ said The Tree is known by the fruits which thing well understood by you in heart and faithfully owned in life would put a stop to all your vanity of enquiring after more things until first you have found and do come to live in the one thing which is only needful unto Salvation with which all things else come to be possessed Nevertheless to thee I query a little concerning your Doctrine Practice and Example to be plainly and particularly answered in writing by the words of the Declaration of the Doctrine Life and Example of Christ or any of his holy Apostles as written in the Record of their Scriptures of which some were given forth before the Apostacy came in and others before it fully entred and came in prophesying the full succession thereof What since them is brought forth among you thou mayest omit to mention in thy Replication for I know your spirit and do also know what you can and do live unto and this as the former to your Body for the Truth 's sake simply I give forth that if haply thou and the rest may come down from your Mountain into the Valley of Jehosaphat unto the Righteousness of the Judgments of the LORD of the whole Earth who else with Vengeance will dash you in pieces as a Potter's Vessel Remember you are warned to prize your time and Repent Query 1. Why call ye Christ LORD and do not the things which he saith Que. 2. Why delight ye Priests to wear long Robes like as the Scribes and Pharisees Que. 3. Why delight ye in Salutations and Greetings in the Market-places and love the Uppermost Rooms at Feasts Que. 4. Why love ye to be called of men Lords and Masters or to call men Lords and Masters Que. 5. How can ye believe in Christ who seek the honour which comes from man Que. 6. Why teach ye for Doctrine the Traditions of men Que. 7. What Precept of CHRIST or President of the Apostles have you to warrant your worshiping before graven Images or painted Figures Que. 8. What Precept of CHRIST or President of the Apostles have you to warrant the owning and conf●…ssing of more than ONE Intercessor Advocate and Mediator Que. 9. By whom was it prophesied or practised as in the Declaration of Truth and Record of the Scriptures That besides Prayers for all Saints in the Churches Prayers should be made unto any Saints in Heaven seeing CHSIST taught Not unto Himself henceforth but only to the Father in his Name Que. 10. VVhat Precept of CHRIST or President of the Apostles have you to warrant often Repetitions and vain Bablings and to yeeld unto God in your manner but one Prayer of eleven that is to say Ten Ave Maries and but One Pater Noster Que. 11. What Precept of CHRIST or President of the Apostles have you to keep count of the tale of your Prayers by Bracelets or Beads upon strings Que. 12. VVhat Word of the Record of Truth have you to warrant a place of Purgatory for Sin after this life under that cloak granting liberty to your selves to sin unto death Que. 13. VVhat Word of GOD or Precept of CHRIST have you to warrant unto any soul which requireth a reason of you to shew how possibly can any one of you sanctifie Bread and Wine to dispense it under the denomination of a Sacrament seeing you are all confessed to be of corrupt hearts and unclean hands which never could touch the holy thing Que. 14. VVhat Precept or President recorded in the Scriptures of Truth have you to warrant the Administration of Water sprinkled upon Infants with unclean hands in the corruption of your hearts to be the Baptism which taketh away the Original Sin How is the Original taken away from any one whilst the life of you all is a continual issue and open fountain of all sin Que. 15. How can an evil heart blesse any thing or the spirit of Satan make Holy Water Which of you being daily washed in that Water will it clense from the Corruption and rottenness of his heart Que. 16. VVhat Precept of CHRIST or Doctrine of the Apostles is your Warrant to deny the general use of the Scriptures of Truth among your Church-members and to allow Books of lying Stories and Tales and beastly Songs and bewitching Playes and Sports and such abominable beastly things openly in the Streets and in Houses as are not meet to be named Que. 17. What Precept of CHRIST have you to call men Fathers upon Earth Que. 18. What Prophecy is there recorded in the Scriptures of Truth for the succession of Popes Cardinals Chaplains White-Fryars Black-Fryars Gray-Fryars Iesuites Nuns and Queristers to come in the Truth Que. 19. What Precept or President have you in the Scriptures of Truth to worship in Idols Temples made with hands there seeking GOD where GOD dwelleth not Que. 20. What Scripture is it that warrants your going Processions Que. 21. What Scripture-Example have you for your Begging Brothers going about hood-wink'd and disguis'd with Money-Boxes and others with great Wallets and Wine-bottles from house to house a begging Que. 22. What Example in Scripture have you which sheweth that the Saints and Apostles in the Primitive times did live in the observation of the Dayes or Times of CHRIST's Conception and with his also of one another's Day yearly of Births or Deaths Que. 23. What Commandment of GOD have you for the time called Lent and in it the abstinence from flesh and so in like manner sixth and seventh dayes of the Week alwayes besides commanding
may ye also say we have sought in the way of Light but our Creator cannot be found there But truly this is my Testimony of my heavenly Father unto whom there is none like in Goodness Mercy and Deliverance That if any one seeketh Him in his Way of Holiness in which sin cannot be committed he will satisfie the desires of that soul in due time and overspread it with his abundant Fulness And therefore to that of GOD in your selves I cannot but commend you which is more safe for you to mind obey and follow than the invented customs wayes and statutes ordained of men which never came to live in that Grace of GOD which was the Light in all their Consciences which could have led them out of all their sins into the true knowledge of the washing by the Blood of CHRIST which cleanseth from all sin which being taken away puts an end to the supposed Purgatory for if any thing purgeth from sin it is the Everlasting Blood of the Lamb of GOD which was slain since the foundations of the World was which washeth away all sin And this also puts an end to the vain thoughts of the Popes remission of sins which stands in opposition to his professed Purgatory after this life for if he forgives all sins excepting one sin how is it that after his forgiveness generally all souls of his Sect must enter into Purgatory to be cleansed from that which he hath formerly forgiven them so that you may see either his profession of forgiveness is deceit and vanity or else that his professed Purgatory is a deceit and vanity because to the one work of forgiveness and cleansing from sin there is not a need of any but one thing to effect it and because I know that the Blood of CHRIST and only the Blood of CHRIST which is his powerful Life doth it I am assured in the Spirit of the holy GOD and therefore do assert it That both the Pope and his Purgatory which stand crossing one the others virtue and authority are both but a deceit and witchery This therefore may awaken you from all slumber of supposed security concerning your way and induce to take heed unto the LIGHT of GOD in your selves that it may lead you out of your own thoughts words and wayes to walk with God in Righteousness all your dayes that of Him you may be made Partakers of his Endlesse Everlasting Kingdom of Life Peace and Joy which will swallow you up in his high Praises who is worthy of the Glory of his Works in the whole Earth even for ever and ever Amen A Concluding Word to those that falsly accuse me and my Brethren of being Papists FInally Whereas there are divers that have accused me and my Brethren as being persons which in the bottom of our hearts are Papists This may plainly serve as a Testimony very substantial that we are so judged upon none other than a wrong and false account as hath been demonstrated by Doctrine Life Example and large Suffering among such persons and in such places as are counted the most reputed Papists upon the face of the Earth Which is more than ever Luther Calvin or any Protestant or other Sect testified or witnessed viz. against the persons in the same place yea than any would be willing to do amongst all the Sects in England that cry against Pope and Popery here at home in their own Liberties or upon soft Cushions on Pulpits yea I can say that I have found many that have falsly accused me of Popery that would not for a King's Ransom go to Rome and cry against it as I have done and therefore their own Consciences may rather accuse themselves of Deceipt or at least-wise as Backbiters whilst they speak that against the Pope in England which they would not speak to the Pope himself at Rome as I sought to clear my Conscience to the Pope's face and therefore are but like the Papists that backbite and speak evil of English Sects in the Countries where their own is tolerated and approved of which is but of one unrighteous nature in them all of all Parties From all which the Accusations of my Accusers do turn upon their own heads as an undeniable Covering of shame who henceforth in prudence may rather choose the keeping of silence than utterance of slanders c. Yet after all the precited Passages I do hereby intimate a few of the Papists Principles which I together with the rest of the People of God called Quakers do utterly deny as not being of GOD'S holy Spirit of Truth but consequently of the spirit which produced all their other invented Traditions which suite not with the holy Nature of the holy Eternal GOD. 1. We deny the Pope and his Cardinals to be of the Election of GOD Angels or Saints and therefore in their Places and Offices not of GOD nor the Truth but contrary to God and the Truth 2. We deny the supposed place of Purgatory which the Papists professe to be after death we owning no Purgatory for the Soul after the Body is departed this life 3. We utterly deny all Images which the Papists worship and bow down before 4. We deny the Masse both matter and manner thereof 5. We deny Prayers to be made unto Saints or Angels which the Papists use seeing Christ saith Ye shall henceforth ask nothing of me but of the Father in my Name Many other things I could insert but at present forbear But whereas lastly that I have denyed the abovesaid five Particulars to be any thing of Truth it lyes upon the Papists to prove them according to the Spirit of Truth if they are able and not according to their own nor their father's inventions else all men may see that they live in Deceit Errour and Falshood of which let all men take heed lest they should be wilfully destroyed John Perrot THE END