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A20398 A Most excellent and profitable dialogue, of the powerfull iustifying faith shewing what it is to beleeue in God, and what wonders are wrought by the power of beliefe, be it worldly or diuine, and what things do hinder beliefe : also how a man may hate himselfe, and by faith forsake himselfe, and kill the deeds of the flesh : the effect of the talke is this, that he which beleeueth in God, and in his son Iesus Christ, is able by the power of that beliefe, to mortifie his flesh, with the lusts thereof, through the Holy Ghost, and to serue God in spirit and truth / translated out of Latine by Arthur Golding. Golding, Arthur, 1536-1606. 1610 (1610) STC 6809.5; ESTC S342 24,313 58

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with my selfe Fred. I know Lewis that it is a very hard thing and passing the strength of a mā but in this case we must beare in mind how that when Sara beleeued not that she might breed child our Lord said of her Is there any thing which God cannot do The things that are vnpossible to man are possible to God and where God is our guide nothing is to be despaired of Lew. I beseech you then shew me the way to attaine thereunto Fred. By Gods leaue I will do it giue eare vnto me If I had a seruant in whom I very much delighted faire-spoken and seruiceable which should prepare mee some meates that best liked mine appetite with the same meats should mingle poyson to bereaue me of my life and you who loue mee should haue knowledge thereof what would you do Lew. Surely I would spéedily and earnestly giue you warning that you should not taste of those meates nor loue that seruant for that hée lay in waite for your life Fred. What if I should say that I am delighted with the seruiceable behauiour of that seruant and with the sweetnesse of his cooquery Lew. I would counsell you that you should not make so great account of your present pleasure as to lose your life for it Fred. What if some friend of yours were in loue with a flattering and painted harlot which were diseased with the French pockes and you knew of it what would you doe Lew. I would make him priuy to her disease and to the vttermost that I could I would disswade him from her company Fred. What if hee said he were delighted with her Lew. I would tell him that fishes also are delighted with baites but yet that it were folly to purchase so small pleasure with so great sorrows or rather with death Fred. What if hee should say that hee cannot but like well of the pleasure Lew I would counsell him that if hée could not yet restraine the desire of his mind he should at least-wise resist it and not yéeld to obey it Fred. But what if hee obeyed it for all that Lew. Then would I thinke him foolisher then the brute beasts and worthy of any mischiefe For fishes wolues foxes puttockes and such other bee they neuer so hungry will neuerthelesse forbeare the baite if they spye or mistrust any snare or any thing wherewith they may bee caught Fred. You say truth Lewis Thus then standeth the case Euery mans owne flesh is as a harlot as Iudas termeth it in his Epistle yea and a painted harlot which with her enticements and faire fawnings doth allure delight and egge the man to sinne and hold him downe in sin and at length throwe him downe into death of the soule And man being ignorant of the poyson embraceth the pleasures and yeeldes himselfe ouer to them Now commeth in truth as a friend vnto him and warneth him that the wages of sinne is death declaring vnto him that his flesh whom he tooke to haue bene his friend is his deadly enemy Therefore if thou desire to be saued thou must beleeue that thou hast not a more noysome enemy to thee then thy selfe that is to say then thy flesh or thy lustfulnes that as thou hast hitherto loued it thou must hēceforth hate it resist it because it is noysome deadly And although thou canst not rid away her allurements out of hand as indeede thou canst not for they sticke fast to thee the truth will say vnto thee as it said in old time vnto Moses Goe thy way into Aegypt for it lyeth in thee to doe that and I will bee with thy mouth and I will enable thee to doe that which thou canst not do Euen so Lewis the truth saith vnto thee as now Do thou what thou art able and God will enable thee to doe that which thou canst not do As for examples sake Thou sittest at a well furnished table and hast eaten inough already to refresh thy powers and to staunch hunger Now there is brought in some delicate dishe made to prouoke gluttony withall By and by thy flesh is tempted with it and putteth such an imagination as this in thy head This is a fine dish if I eate of it I shall receiue pleasure by it But the spirit striueth against the flesh and warneth thee thus Beware Lewis that thou yeeld not vnto voluptuousnesse for voluptuousnesse is a poysoner For first it calleth away thy mind from God than the which there can be no greater mischiefe for seeing that no man can serue two maisters thou canst not serue both voluptuousnes God because voluptuousnesse ouerwhelmeth the mind beareth it downe to the ground and separateth it from God Besides this it also hurteth the body with surfetting insomuch that although thou hadst no soule yet oughtest thou to abstaine from superfluity euen for thy bodies sake I require not now that you should not be tempted with the inticements of the flesh but that you should not obey them And whereas you alledge that you cannot but obey thē you be easily disproued For if a man would giue you a floren to abstein frō the said dish would you not absteine Yes And will you not absteine by reason of the truth Do you not hereby bewray that the truth beareth lesse sway with you then one floren Or if some man should threaten that he would giue you a blow on the eare if you refrained not surely you would refraine Behold God threatneth a blow vnto your soule and yet you refraine not The like I say of all other things You be minded to haue to do with a whore but because a boy is by you doe it not Behold God is present and yet you be not ashamed to do it Do you not now make lesse account of Gods presence then of the presence of a boy Or if you forbeare for feare of punishment at mans hand and not as well for feare of Gods punishment doe you not preferre man before God You are angry with a man and would faine cudgel him but you forbeare for feare of the magistrate Why forbeare you not as well for feare of God I pray you make as great reckoning of God as you doe of men why doth the feare of God beare lesse sway with you then the feare of men You slaunder your neighbour God seeth the slaunder and yet you do it neuerthelesse But if men saw it you would not do it Run through all things after the same sort Lewis you shall see that whosoeuer doth more for the loue or feare of men then of God doth beleeue in men rather then in God Lew. O my Fredericke my conscience beareth me witnesse that y e things which you say be true and rightfull but thereof springeth a griefe in my heart Lew. Why so did you feele any such griefe when we treated of Predestination or of Free-will Lew. No none at all Fred. I beleeue you