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A77781 A testimony against the Quakers False-doctrine, and the image they have set up Being a defence of the book called Antichrist transformed. In answer to a little book, published by Giles Barnadiston. And for better information, the image is hereto annexed verbatim, with the subscribers thereof. Published by Geoffery Bullock. Bullock, Jeffery, of Sudbury. 1677 (1677) Wing B5426A; ESTC R201448 24,117 31

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by some evident proof either from the Spirit of Truth or the Scriptures of Truth and if you cannot prove your Doctrine and the setting up of your Image Orders and comely Forms as you call them in those which you call your Churches either from the Scriptures of Truth or by the Spirit of Truth and so prove them by Revelation from God and make God to be Author of your false Doctrines and also the Father of your Image otherwise they must be held forth and also managed by Satan in you transformed into an Angel of Light But now I do believe that those Doctrines and Practices of yours which I have writ against were never revealed to you from Heaven by the Spirit of God but they rose out of Hell Now in page the eighth of your Book you write against me because I deny the Resurrection of the Power or the arising of the Seed or God in Man the which Doctrines I did deny in my first Book and do still deny them for it was neither the Seed nor God that fell from Heaven into Bondage and Captivity in the Sons and Daughters of Man but it was the first Man Adam that fell both Soul and Body and we were his Generation having been in the Fall as well as he And you also say that Christ descended to bring Man out of the Fall Then according to your own confession it is the first Man Adam which God created and made that fell into Transgression so then it both was and is the first Man Adam that is to be both quickned and also raised by the Spirit of Life that never sinned the which is God manifesting himself in these earthly Tabernacles by his own Spirit But now the Holy Ghost never descended into the Virgins Womb for the raising the Seed or God out of Bondage and Captivity but the Spirit of God doth descend in the Sons and Daughters of Men for the bruising the Serpents Head and for raising and bringing of them both Soul and Body to an enjoyment of God again But yet I do own the Power to be both the Resurrection and the Life as he is in himself and he is also Mans Resurrection and Life as he comes to believe in the Light and obey it so Man comes to be quickned and also raised from under the Power of Death by the Spirit of Life and so brought into an enjoyment of Light and Life again For the Seed did never descend in Man for the quickning and raising up of the Seed in Man neither doth the Spirit of God descend to raise up God in Man nor yet Christ within never descended to raise up the Spirit of Christ in Man Now you do suppose the Resurrection of the Power because the Light descends and appears to Man whilst he is in the Fall but yet it abides not with Man whilst he is in the Fall but only to convince him of his Sin and also to condemn him for it But now if Man hears the Spirit and believes in the Light and obeys it then Man is both Quickned and Raised and brought up to God again by him who is both the Resurrection and the Life Wherefore now look back and remember that God called to Adam in the cool of the Day after he had eaten of the Fruit of the Tree of Knowledg and had broke the Command of God then God cursed the Serpent and also drove Adam out of the Garden because of his Sin and Transgression And he also placed a flaming Sword against him But still God abode in the Garden in Dominion over all to Adams Condemnation But now in page the ninth of your Book in contradiction to what I have written you say If God be above in all the Sons and Daughters of Men he is taken in his proper place and the Devil is in his and I might have spared my pains But now I did never read or heard that God was out of his proper place for God is in his proper place and his Throne is established in Justice and Judgment over wicked Men to their Condemnation Psalm 11. as well as in Love and Mercy over those that hear him and obey him But now the Devil and Man both left their Place and Habitation in God and the Serpent hath had the Dominion over Man and Woman for the Scripture saith Darkness hath covered the Earth and gross darkness the People And because the Prophet saith Behold I am pressed as a Cart is pressed with Sheaves Again because the Scripture saith Let God arise and his Enemies shall be scattered therefore you do conclude and also believe that the Seed of God is underneath and must arise And indeed I once heard once Preach and in his Declaration did exhort all that had believed to feel God to arise and none to keep him down from which I do conclude thus much that the Creature is in dominion over his Creator and also hath Power to keep him down And another said All feel God to arise and take the Dominion over all which doth conclude that he is not yet in Dominion over all But now consider a little Wherefore did God swer in his Wrath that Israel should not enter into his rest And why did God strive with the old World by his Spirit was it because his Spirit was in Bondage and Captivity in them and so stood in need of help and deliverance from them Or wherefore did God strive with us by his Spirit in our youthful days was it because his Spirit or Seed was in Bondage and Captivity in us and so stood in need of our help to raise him up out of Bondage and Captivity or was it not we that were in Bondage and Captivity both Soul and Body being under the Power of Death and Darkness and so stood in need both of help and deliverance by the Spirit of God for the Apostle saith Awake thou that sleepest and arise from the dead and Christ shall give thee Light So then it is we that have slept the sleep of Death that are to be awakened and also quickned and it is not the Seed nor God that is to be quickned nor yet that are to arise out of Bondage and Captivity in the Sons and Daughters of Men. Therefore you must find out some other interpretation for these Scriptures For is it not written that the Seed of the Woman shall break the Serpents head then must not the Seed of the Woman be uppermost and above the Serpents Head in all the Sons and Daughter of Men for the Seed of the Serpent as it is written shall but bruise his Heel And is it not also written that God is the higher Power and every Soul must be subject to him And in page 10. of your Book you say that I do deny the travelling Seed Now this I do deny that neither the Seed nor God in Man travels for their own deliverance because that neither God nor yet his Spirit were ever in Bondage or
Mountains of Imagination and the Light stands in Judgment over you and also your Book will be a Witness against you and the Spirit of God in all those that seriously read it Friends I think it had been more suitable for you to have looked back and to have considered some of the Patriarks and holy Men of God who in their day and Generation did err You might have remembred Isaac the Patriark who when he had lost the Spirit of discerning grew blind and then he was resolved that Esau should have the Blessing although it was Jacob's right to have it And you might have remembred Jacob who from a wrong Spirit rebuked Joseph when he told his Father he dreamed the Sun the Moon and the eleven Stars should bow before him And you might have remembred Aaron and Miriam who from a Spirit of Pride withstood Moses and said Hath not the Lord spoken unto us as well as unto thee And you might have remembred old Ely who from a dark Spirit rebuked Hannah who was a Woman of a sorrowful Spirit And you might have remembred Job's three Friends who undertook to Judg Censure and Condemn Job but had not Power to convince him And Friends you write against me in page the fifth and sixth because I said whatever is written to those called Churches it ought to be written in and from the Holy Ghost for if Paul did at any time speak by permission and not the Lord it is but a Mans Commandment and no Man is bound in Conscience to follow it for Paul saith Be ye followers of me as I am of Christ Now Paul he Baptized and he also Circumcised but yet he had no Commission to do it And so in time he preach'd it down as John did his Baptism but Christ in his day neither Baptised nor Circumcised any Man wherefore none are to follow Christ as having Paul for their Example but all are to follow Christ their Light within as their only Rule to walk by Neither ought any Quaker so called Man or Woman to follow the Light within as having your Orders and Dictates as a Rule and Guide for them to walk by Again you write against me because I said whatever is written from a sight or sence or sensible part and not from the Spirit of Revelation it is not to be owned by the Churches and you write thus and say in your Book that implies contradiction as much as if the Spirits Revelation should put out Sight and Sensibility and so I would have blind Elders and sensless Ministers But Friends it is the Devil that hath Power to blind the Soul and Understanding of Man and the sensible part wherefore none are to write from that part in them which the Serpent hath Power to blind for it is the Soul and Understanding of Man that receives the Sight But all are to write both in and from the Spirit of Revelation which alone hath Power to give the Creature sight and to make people sensible of their state and condition And this is the Holy Ghost or Spirit of God which gives the true Sight and can never blind it for that is the Devils work to bring blindness over the Minds of People wherefore if any speaks or writes as pretending to teach others it ought to be in and from the Holy Ghost for Christ said It is not you that speak but the Holy Ghost And the Apostle saith If any Man speak let him speak as the Oracle of God and it is the Spirit saith Paul that makes Intercession with Groans that cannot be utered for it is the Invisible Soul and Understanding that is to be Baptized with the Holy Ghost Now the thing Baptized that is not to speak in the Church because it hath been both in Error Sin and Transgression but the Invisible Man Christ he is to speak in every Vessel who redeems the Creature out of Transgression and not the Soul nor yet the Sensible part which hath been in Transgression for the Priests of England they are sensible Preachers who declare against the manifestation of the Spirit and deny also all Revelations from God and yet they tell People that if they be sensible of their state and condition it is an evident token of their Conversion But I say that all People that come truly to know God they must witness a Being gathered into that Spirit which makes them truly sensible and this is a Childs state which hath past the Tree of Knowledg and doth witness in measure of being possest of the Tree of Life And you say that I run on in my sensless Stuff because that I said the Soul is the Woman in ever Visible Man For you ask me whether I have not presumed above what is written in the Scripture Friends I perceive that you have left the Quakers first Rule which they were to walk by as their only Guide which is the Light or Spirit of Revelation within for when I was first convinced and believed in the Light then you said the Light within in every Man was the only Rule the Grace within the Mystery of Life within or Gods Spirit of Revelation or his Law written in the Heart that was to be the only Guide for the Quakers to walk by But now I do perceive that you have set up your Image or Paper of Orders Dictates and Forms that they should join with them as their Rule and Guide Friends I perceive you are determined page the seventh to set up your selves and also your Image and Superiority amongst the People called Quakers and likewise to Maintain those Doctrines amongst them that he that is not justified by the Witness of God in Friends is condemned by it in himself and that those that are unreconciled to the Church are unreconciled to God wherefore this I have to say and to all antient Friends Remember the first Testimony that was then founded amongst the People by the Quakers it was thus All People mind the Light within you turn to the Light within believe in the Light that doth both convince and make manifest Sin and all owne the Judgment of it for that is the word of Eternal Life and also the Saviour of the Soul and the Salvation of the ends of the Earth and that this was Gods Spirit by whom the World was made who was in the Beginning and before the Beginning and also without Beginning of Days or end of Life And this they said was the true Light that lighteth every Man that cometh into the World and that this Light was both God and Christ and the only Saviour of Man and they exhorted all minds to turn to it as their God and Saviour Now you say in your Book that those that are unreconciled to the Church are unreconciled to God But now the Church in God that is Invisible as God is Invisible although it doth consist of Visible Bodies and Invisible Souls who are Invisibly redeemed from the Earth by the Spirit of
and Women die and Soul and Body parts whether the Soul doth ascend above the visible Heavens to an Injoyment of Glory or whether it shall descend into Hell a Place of Misery and Torment 6. Whether you do believe the Resurrection of all the visible Bodies that have died ever since our first Parents Adam and Eve yea all that were before Noah's Flood and all the World that was drowned at the Flood yea and all the visible Bodies of Men and Women which have died both by Sea and Land from a day old to the longest age that ever Man lived and that every one of these visible Bodies shall arise and come to Judgment and receive their Reward in Misery and Torment or else in Glory and Happiness each one according to their deeds done in the Body yea Children that never knew what Sin was nor yet what their Souls and Bodies were 7. And whether you do believe that Christ shall descend from above the visible Heavens where the Priests and Professors and Rome also believe he now sitteth and from thence he shall descend with his visible Body and shall come and judge the World both Men Women and Children 8. And whether you do believe that this visible Earth shall be destroyed by fire and that the visible Heavens shall also melt with fervent heat Now Friends seeing you do not deny some of the Doctrines of the Church of Rome nor yet of the Priests of England but only that which is Antichristian and these are those Doctrines that both the Priests and Professors own Wherefore I would desire you to give forth a plain Answer both to the World and me also which of these fore-mentioned Doctrines are according to the Truth and which of them are Antichristian and Erroneous so write an Answer in plain words that every one that can read may come to understand for the Truth is not ashamed of the Articles of its Faith Now in pag. 11 of your Book you say that I do exclude the Manhood Now I do not exclude the Manhood out of his Place for the visible Man Christ was the Son of God by generation from God full of Grace and Truth But yet there is a Distinction to be made betwixt the Godhead and the visible Body in which the Godhead dwelt for Christ himself made a Distinction and said that his Father was greater than he And again he said My Doctrine is not mine but his that sent me And he said to the Jews Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up again Now they had no power to destroy the Godhead that dwelt in the Temple that both was and is a thing impossible Now you say in pag. 12 of your Book That I contradict my self because that I said that the Man in the Mystery was the Womans Part that was his Soul and Body Now the Mystery that dwelt in Christ's Body that was the Godhead and the Godhead died not as I writ in my Answer to the Baptist Now as Christ was God or the Seed of God or the Son of God by generation from God he never died for the Holy Ghost died not neither had the Devil power to tempt him as he was God for God cannot be tempted as saith the Scripture But as he was the Son of Mary the Devil had power to present Temptations to his Soul even whilst his Soul dwelt in the Godhead But the visible Manhood which was the Seed of the Woman as well as the Seed of God who dwelt in the Godhead he was impowered by the Godhead to bruise the Serpents head in all his appearances and temptations and so the Seed of the Woman did bruise the Serpents head and so he never came under the Devil's power where both we and our first Parents Adam and Eve have been So that Christ as he was Man of the substance of his Mother he died but as he was God and of the substance of his Father he died not for the Godhead died not But as for our Souls and Bodies they like Eve their Mother have been in Transgression but as for Christ's Soul and Body it never consented to Sin nor yet joyned to the Spirit of Corruption And again you say His goings were of old from everlasting Friends are not the Lords goings by his universal Spirit among the Gentiles the same now as they were in the days of Abraham for then God appeared to Abimelech King of the Philistines by his Spirit in the night and was not he a Gentile as well as we and did not God by his Spirit make known Himself to Job and Elihu were not they Gentiles And had not the Samaritans the Spirit of God in the Days of Christ's Flesh as well as we have it now And was God not to be worshipped in his own Spirit then as Christ said to the Woman of Samaria And in pag. 12 of your Book you say that Christ's Blood had a Testimony in it towards the Remission of Sins So then according to your own words there was no real Remission of Sin by Christ's Blood that was shed upon the Ground Then I would desire to know what benefit the Gentiles have by that Blood if they had not real Remission of Sins by Christ's Blood that was shed upon the Cross without he Gates of Jerusalem And in pag. 13 of your Book you say that I do not tell you by whom Eve conceived the Man of Sin who was the Son of Perdition But now I will tell you by whom Eve conceived it was by the Serpent who had a Conception in her Soul when his Temptation entred her and the same Spirit of Darkness that brought Death over her hath brought Death over us we having been the Children of Adam and Eve in the Fall and having been captivated by the same Spirit of Darkness as they were And you also write against me because I said there are two Christs Now did not the true Christ say that there shall be false Christs and they are the Sons of Perdition who are one with the Spirit of Antichrist And are there not two Spirits two Powers two Gods two Princes two Mysteries And is not the one Light and the other Darkness The one is called the true Christ and the other is the false Christ which is Antichrist And yet they bear all one Name in Words although they be different in Works And you also say that I do directly oppose the Scripture to say that Christ came not of David nor Israel Now the words in my Book pag. 23 run thus Now Christ be neither came of David nor yet of Israel according to the Flesh not as to his outward appearance as he was a visible Man but he came of David and Israel both according to the Spirit And in the 18 Page of my Book it is written thus Now Christ he was not the Son of David by generation from David as he was a visible Man for Mary she was a Virgin and