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A26644 A reply to two discourses lately printed at Oxford concerning the adoration of our blessed Savior in the Holy Eucharist Aldrich, Henry, 1647-1710. 1687 (1687) Wing A899; ESTC R8295 52,095 76

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education_n part_n 1._o chap._n 11._o pag._n 145._o print_v 1677._o thesauro_n bee_n five_o way_n he_o have_v find_v out_o of_o explain_v real_o and_o essential_o and_o no_o man_n live_v that_o i_o know_v of_o either_o say_v or_o mean_v any_o one_o of_o they_o as_o they_o be_v there_o deliver_v 33._o disc_n i._o §._o 33._o he_o say_v he_o do_v this_o to_o express_v his_o disquisition_n more_o full_o the_o three_o first_o explication_n be_v three_o such_o unaccountable_a whimsye_n as_o need_v no_o other_o disquisition_n but_o whether_o the_o word_n be_v capable_a of_o a_o rational_a meaning_n for_o example_n ibid._n ibid._n if_o by_o really_n and_o essential_o be_v mean_v such_o a_o presence_n of_o christ_n body_n to_o our_o soul_n as_o the_o papist_n hold_v there_o be_v to_o the_o element_n i._n e._n by_o abolish_n the_o substance_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o substitute_v christ_n body_n in_o the_o room_n of_o it_o etc._n etc._n and_o so_o for_o the_o two_o next_o the_o four_o speak_v imperfect_o ibid._n §._o 36._o pag._n 25._o ibid._n but_o seem_v to_o say_v something_o of_o truth_n viz._n that_o the_o body_n become_v real_o present_a by_o reason_n of_o the_o same_o spirit_n unite_n we_o here_o on_o earth_n as_o member_n to_o it_o in_o heaven_n to_o this_o he_o object_n that_o then_o christ_n will_v be_v no_o more_o present_a in_o the_o eucharist_n then_o in_o any_o other_o sacrament_n wherein_o the_o spirit_n be_v confer_v in_o which_o i_o see_v no_o inconvenience_n nor_o do_v i_o believe_v the_o father_n do_v when_o they_o say_v christ_n be_v present_a in_o the_o eucharist_n as_o he_o be_v in_o baptism_n he_o object_n far_o that_o such_o presence_n be_v proper_o of_o the_o spirit_n ibid._n ibid._n which_o i_o hope_v for_o his_o credit_n be_v only_o a_o mistake_n of_o the_o press_n and_o that_o the_o write_a copy_n have_v it_o by_o the_o spirit_n the_o five_o explication_n be_v likewise_o imperfect_a if_o he_o apply_v it_o to_o the_o church_n of_o england_n which_o do_v not_o hold_v a_o bare_a reception_n of_o the_o benefit_n but_o
a_o real_a participation_n of_o the_o body_n &_o by_o consequence_n of_o the_o effect_n and_o benefit_n but_o the_o great_a and_o kill_a objection_n against_o all_o explication_n he_o dislike_v be_v their_o not_o advance_v we_o beyond_o zuinglianism_n whether_o the_o opinion_n which_o he_o brand_v by_o that_o name_n be_v true_o ascribe_v to_o zuinglius_fw-la and_o real_o so_o great_a a_o bugbear_n as_o this_o author_n seem_v to_o apprehend_v i_o need_v not_o now_o stay_v to_o inquire_v it_o be_v sufficient_a to_o my_o purpose_n that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v advance_v beyond_o it_o yet_o the_o word_n of_o the_o judicious_a and_o venerable_a mr._n hooker_n be_v very_o well_o worth_a our_o observation_n it_o seem_v say_v he_o lib._n 5._o sect._n 67._o pag._n 308._o much_o amiss_o that_o against_o they_o who_o they_o term_v sacramentary_n so_o many_o invective_n discourse_n be_v make_v all_o run_v upon_o two_o point_n that_o the_o eucharist_n be_v not_o a_o bare_a sign_n and_o figure_n only_o and_o that_o the_o efficacy_n of_o his_o body_n and_o blood_n be_v not_o all_o we_o receive_v in_o this_o sacrament_n for_o no_o man_n have_v read_v their_o book_n and_o write_n which_o be_v thus_o traduce_v can_v be_v ignorant_a that_o both_o these_o assertion_n they_o plain_o confess_v to_o be_v most_o true_a they_o do_v not_o so_o interpret_v the_o word_n of_o christ_n as_o if_o the_o name_n of_o his_o body_n do_v import_v but_o the_o figure_n of_o his_o body_n and_o to_o be_v be_v only_o to_o signify_v his_o blood_n they_o grant_v that_o these_o holy_a mystery_n receive_v in_o a_o due_a manner_n do_v instrumental_o both_o make_v we_o partaker_n of_o the_o grace_n of_o that_o body_n and_o blood_n which_o be_v give_v for_o the_o life_n of_o the_o world_n and_o beside_o also_o impart_v unto_o we_o even_o in_o true_a and_o real_a though_o mystical_a manner_n the_o very_a person_n of_o our_o lord_n himself_o whole_a perfect_a and_o entire_a as_o have_v be_v show_v these_o word_n may_v receive_v far_a light_n from_o bishop_n cosins_n history_n of_o transubstantiation_n cap._n 2._o sect._n 13.17_o 18._o now_o they_o that_o acknowledge_v thus_o much_o hold_v a_o real_a participation_n and_o union_n which_o be_v all_o that_o be_v requisite_a to_o affirm_v a_o real_a presence_n and_o if_o they_o deny_v a_o real_a presence_n they_o only_o reject_v a_o term_n which_o may_v well_o enough_o be_v use_v but_o perhaps_o be_v better_o let_v alone_o the_o truth_n be_v what_o the_o pamphlet_n attribute_n to_o zuinglius_fw-la be_v as_o bucer_n report_v the_o tenant_n of_o the_o anabaptist_n and_o as_o mr_n thorndike_n say_v of_o some_o puritan_n in_o the_o begin_n of_o the_o late_a rebellion_n and_o by_o they_o it_o be_v most_o probable_a this_o notion_n be_v impart_v to_o a_o friend_n of_o we_o who_o at_o that_o time_n be_v observe_v to_o be_v their_o great_a associate_n and_o favourer_n 25._o disc_n i._o §._o 37_o p._n 25._o what_o the_o remonstrant_n and_o socinian_o say_v do_v no_o way_n concern_v we_o much_o good_a may_v they_o do_v the_o author_n they_o who_o set_v up_o for_o so_o great_a master_n of_o reason_n will_v but_o ill_o resent_v it_o that_o a_o man_n of_o his_o head_n shall_v pretend_v to_o they_o 38._o ibid._n §._o 38._o who_o w.h._n be_v and_o who_o his_o answerer_n i_o know_v not_o have_v never_o see_v either_o of_o their_o book_n and_o be_v so_o well_o acquaint_v with_o this_o author_n sincerity_n i_o can_v depend_v upon_o his_o credit_n i_o meet_v with_o nothing_o quote_v but_o what_o it_o be_v easy_a to_o give_v a_o account_n of_o but_o to_o do_v it_o as_o it_o shall_v be_v one_o ought_v to_o have_v the_o book_n by_o he_o for_o i_o vehement_o suspect_v this_o answerer_n have_v fare_v no_o better_a than_o his_o brethren_n chap._n v._o a_o reply_n to_o the_o four_o chapter_n of_o the_o first_o discourse_n to_o the_o three_o observable_a lay_v down_o in_o the_o first_o chapter_n which_o now_o come_v to_o be_v consider_v the_o author_n have_v three_o thing_n to_o say_v 1._o that_o if_o christ_n natural_a body_n be_v corporal_o present_a in_o the_o eucharist_n 39_o disc_n i_o p._n 27._o §._o 39_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v then_o adore_v which_o we_o grant_v he_o and_o have_v he_o design_v to_o dispute_v for_o the_o papist_n he_o ought_v to_o have_v insist_v that_o it_o be_v corporal_o present_a 2._o 40._o ibid_fw-la §._o 40._o that_o if_o we_o reject_v a_o corporal_a presence_n yet_o if_o any_o other_o presence_n be_v reveal_v which_o be_v as_o real_a and_o essential_a as_o if_o it_o be_v corporal_a adoration_n will_v be_v no_o less_o due_a to_o it_o thus_o then_o so_o present_a that_o be_v if_o he_o mean_v to_o oppose_v we_o and_o not_o bare_o fight_v with_o his_o own_o shadow_n that_o since_o the_o church_n of_o england_n hold_v the_o natural_a body_n of_o christ_n to_o be_v corporal_o and_o local_o absent_a yet_o as_o true_o and_o real_o present_a as_o if_o it_o be_v local_o present_a she_o be_v as_o 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second_o position_n we_o be_v to_o debate_v when_o he_o speak_v to_o it_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n we_o deny_v it_o 3_o he_o undertake_v to_o show_v that_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i_o e._n five_o writer_n of_o her_o communion_n 45._o disc_n i._o pag._n 28._o §._o 41_o 42_o 43_o 44_o 45._o whereof_o one_o be_v mr_n thorndike_n as_o he_o deliver_v himself_o in_o his_o epilogue_n have_v heretofore_o believe_v and_o affirm_v such_o a_o presence_n to_o which_o they_o think_v adoration_n due_a to_o adore_v a_o presence_n be_v a_o odd_a kind_n of_o expression_n for_o it_o be_v to_o adore_v a_o extrinsic_n denomination_n to_o adore_v christ_n present_a in_o the_o mystery_n be_v a_o phrase_n we_o better_o understand_v though_o that_o too_o be_v liable_a to_o misconstruction_n if_o the_o author_n dare_v to_o speak_v plain_a the_o point_n that_o pinch_v and_o the_o true_a thing_n to_o be_v prove_v be_v that_o christ_n according_a to_o the_o quotation_n be_v so_o real_o present_a in_o the_o eucharist_n that_o the_o element_n ought_v to_o be_v divine_o worship_v upon_o that_o account_n and_o if_o this_o be_v so_o as_o i_o think_v i_o have_v plain_o show_v i_o leave_v the_o reader_n to_o consider_v with_o what_o confidence_n the_o author_n quote_v either_o bishop_n andrews_n for_o his_o purpose_n who_o express_o in_o the_o very_a quotation_n declare_v himself_o against_o he_o say_v sacramentum_fw-la tamen_fw-la nulli_fw-la adoramus_fw-la or_o bishop_n taylor_n say_v likewise_o we_o give_v no_o divine_a honour_n to_o the_o sign_n or_o bishop_n forbes_n say_v haec_fw-la adoratio_fw-la non_fw-la pani_fw-la non_fw-la vino_fw-la non_fw-la sumptioni_fw-la non_fw-la comestioni_fw-la debetur_fw-la or_o the_o archbishop_n of_o spalleto_n since_o this_o passage_n in_o bishop_n forbes_n be_v a_o quotation_n out_o of_o the_o archbishop_n i_o can_v only_o say_v that_o to_o i_o these_o passage_n seem_v to_o argue_v that_o the_o author_n be_v very_o singular_a in_o something_o beside_o his_o religion_n 47._o disc_n i._o pag_n 29._o §._o 47._o have_v give_v we_o this_o taste_n of_o his_o other_o good_a quality_n he_o conclude_v with_o a_o spice_n of_o his_o logic_n and_o infer_v 1._o that_o notwithstanding_o what_o he_o have_v say_v the_o church_n in_o her_o declaration_n seem_v clear_o to_o deny_v adoration_n due_a to_o christ_n body_n as_o any_o way_n present_v in_o the_o eucharist_n contrary_a to_o the_o forecited_a doctrine_n and_o k._n james_n and_z bishop_n andrews_n religion_n i_o will_v not_o take_v advantage_n of_o his_o ambiguous_a expression_n but_o tell_v he_o that_o the_o king_n be_v the_o bishop_n and_o the_o church_n meaning_n be_v very_o plain_a viz._n that_o since_o christ_n natural_a body_n be_v not_o to_o be_v adore_v but_o where_o it_o be_v corporal_o &_o local_o present_a &_o it_o be_v not_o so_o
present_a in_o the_o eucharist_n that_o therefore_o in_o the_o sacrament_n i._n e._n in_o the_o celebration_n the_o worthy_a communicant_a to_o who_o soul_n that_o body_n be_v real_o present_a be_v to_o adore_v the_o person_n of_o christ_n in_o heaven_n where_o alone_o his_o body_n be_v local_o present_a this_o i_o doubt_v the_o author_n very_o well_o know_v and_o see_v it_o be_v no_o way_n contrary_a to_o the_o declaration_n wherefore_o he_o seem_v to_o lay_v no_o great_a stress_n upon_o this_o first_o inference_n but_o go_v on_o or_o at_o least_o 2_o lie_v and_o here_o he_o will_v have_v it_o be_v infidious_a in_o the_o church_n to_o deny_v that_o adoration_n be_v due_a to_o a_o corporal_a presence_n ibid._n ibid._n and_o not_o declare_v though_o she_o believe_v that_o there_o be_v another_o adorable_a presence_n now_o i_o can_v imagine_v that_o even_o this_o author_n have_v the_o confidence_n to_o say_v the_o church_n of_o england_n have_v not_o sufficient_o teach_v that_o christ_n in_o heaven_n be_v adorable_a or_o the_o ignorance_n to_o think_v that_o any_o good_a christian_n be_v not_o sufficient_o assure_v of_o that_o point_n but_o as_o for_o adore_v christ_n body_n any_o otherwise_o then_o by_o direct_v adoration_n to_o his_o person_n where_o his_o body_n be_v suppose_v to_o be_v local_o present_a neither_o the_o church_n of_o england_n nor_o any_o other_o church_n ever_o dream_v of_o it_o chap._n vi_o a_o reply_n to_o the_o five_o chapter_n of_o the_o first_o discourse_n the_o five_o be_v the_o kind_a chapter_n in_o all_o this_o discourse_n for_o the_o six_o first_o section_n require_v no_o manner_n of_o answer_n and_o the_o last_o seem_v at_o first_o sight_n to_o show_v some_o little_a ingenuity_n which_o with_o this_o author_n be_v a_o thing_n so_o extraordinary_a that_o have_v he_o not_o retract_v i_o think_v we_o must_v have_v give_v he_o public_a thanks_o for_o it_o he_o tell_v we_o that_o perhaps_o some_o other_o passage_n may_v be_v collect_v out_o 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