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B12171 The voluntarie conuersion and seuerall recantations, of foure great learned men, professed fryers in sundry monasteries of Fraunce, from the errours of idolatrie and poperie, to the true religion established in the Reformed Church. 1. Master Iohn Le Vager, a priest in the Romane Church, conuerted at Mauns, Ianuary 6. 2. Master Iohn Forent, a fryer Carmelite, in the Court of Morthemard, conuerted in the Reformed Church of Poictiers, Iune, 9. 3. Master Denis Boucher, a Franciscane fryer, in the couent of Noisy, neere Paris, conuerted in the Reformed Church of Paris, Iuly. 6. 4. Master Daniell Dusert, Franciscan fryer at Mello, conuerted in the Church of Mello, December, 22. All conuerted this last yeare, 1603. as their seuerall discourses following at large doe testifie, vnder their owne hands. Truely translated, out of the French printed copies. 1604 (1604) STC 5650; ESTC S114587 31,204 52

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teacheth vs the will and league hee hath made with his people which wee shoulde alwaies haue before our eyes on our foreheades and in our handes to meditate thereon both day and night to accomplish the same on our behalfe As concerning my selfe I acknowledge and confesse that I haue beene trained vp in the Romane Church and haue followed the errours and superstitions therein vsed being caried His protestation concerning himself and the errors wherein he hath liued long only by custome regarde of antiquitie and the goodly outward shew deliuered For looking and contemplating it with the eye of flesh it appeared to me to be to be the true Church erected for perpetuall continuance defended on all sides as being rich potent cloathed with golde purple and scarlet tryumphing ouer all her enemies aduersaries adored by the Kings and Princes of the earth commaunding Emperours holding dominion ouer many nations and prospering euen against the children of God thrusting the true Church into the desert wildernesse But all this was according to the Prophecie of S. Iohn in his Apocalipse where he at large describeth Antichrist Apoc. Chap. 11. 12. and his Babilon Now in this perplexitie in this conflict of opinions which we daily see about the matter of Religion according to the commandement of God I consulted with the diuine Oracle and withdrewe my selfe to the mountaines of holy Scripture By whose testimonie Iesus Christ repulsed the Tempter and confirmed his Apostles after his resurrection By them our Fathers stoned all heretiques and besides them whatsoeuer is spoken is heresie and execration although it be an Angell that Galat. 1. 8. deliuers it or an Apostle according as Saint Paule teacheth vs. God will haue obedience by them and not sacrifice Hee will not Deut 12. 4. 2 Sam. 15. 22. Math. 15. 6. Iohn 10. 4. 5. be serued according to the commandement and traditions of men He acknowledgeth them to be his that abide in his worde He tels vs also that such as are of his flocke doe heare his voice and knowe it and will not listen to a strangers See heere the infallible markes of the true Church indeed But the Church of Rome in steede of listening to this word and obeying it in Of the church of Rome steede of following the kings high way which is taught vs by the aforesaid mountaines reuolts turnes after her owne waies following her owne fantasies and not the commandements of the Lord. And so hath quitted her alliance that wee may iustly say of her that which the Prophet spake of the holy citie of Ierusalem How is the faithfull citie become an harlot She was full of equitie and iustice lodged in her her gold is turned into drosse and her wine is mingled with water And first of all for example she will needes haue Idols and Idols and Images Images contrarie to the commandement of God and to shift off this sinne with an excuse she glosseth a difference between an Idoll and an Image And yet the prohibition extendeth Not to make any resemblance of any thing which is in heauen aboue Exod. 20. 4. 5. neither in the earth beneath nor in the waters below to serue or worship them And so themselues doe cut their owne throats for they say that the Image which they place in their Temple is the similitude of that same partie in heauen aboue And if there be any difference betweene Idoll and Image an Image is for ornament represented in an history an Idoll that which is proposed in the Temple to bee worshipped euen as their pretended Images are THOMAS AQVINAS one of their Thomas Aquin. greatest Doctors testifieth the same in 3. Sentent dist 2. That in 3. sentent Dist 2. the Image ought to be honoured with the selfe same adoration as the partie that it representeth And in the booke tearmed Decisiones Decisio Rotae Rotae where the question is demanded to wit whether the Image in the Image-makers shoppe be to be worshipped or no He answers plainely no for it is exposed there to publick sale but in the Temple it is placed to be worshipped and the selfe same instruction is giuen by the C. venerabiles de Cons dist 3. C. Venerabiles de Cons dist 3. Vpon the aforesaid holy mountaines we finde but one God onely to call vpon in our afflictions and necessities And Iesus Christ himselfe saith vnto vs Come vnto me all yee that are wearie and heauie laden and I will ease you The Church of Math. 11. 28. Rome sends vs to so many hee-Saints and shee-Saints as there be daies in their Calender and though it be written I wil not impart my glorie to any other yet dare they communicate to all such Saints as themselues haue canonized the office of an intercessour or mediatour betweene God and vs which office is onely proper to Christ and dependeth vpon his eternall sacrifice made For as Saint Paule saith He is entred into very heauen Heb. 9. 24. to appeare now in the sight of God for vs. If any sinne saith 1. Iohn 2. 1. saint Iohn we haue an Aduocate with the Father euen Iesus Christ the Iust In like manner Iesus Christ by one onely sacrifice made once vpon the Crosse hath abolished the sinnes of all Heb. 10 14. beleeuers for euer so that there is no further neede of sacrificing being once made thus perfectly But the Church of Rome as if the sacrifice of Christ were imperfect and insufficient hath ordained another for remission of sinnes both to the dead and Masses for the liuing and the dead liuing which they cal the Masse and hath substituted so many successours for the sacrificing againe of Iesus Christ as there be Priests that vse to say Masse Contrarie to that which is written Thou art a Priest eternally for euer after the order of Heb. 7. 21. MELCHISEDEC not hauing any successour at all in his sacrifice as the same blessed Apostle Paule teacheth vs. And so in other points of our Religion the Church of Rome hath wholly peruerted thē namely in Christs institution of his Peruerting of the Sacraments Of Baptisme Sacraments As in Baptisme they make an addition thereto of Oyle of Salt and of Spettle transferre by meere mockery this holy mystery to bels Baptizing them as if they were of Gods elect and to be ranked among the faithful Likewise the holy Supper which Iesus Christ instituted to make a serious Of the Lords Supper commemoration of his death and passion whereby he purchased eternall life for vs bearing the curse of our sins vpon himselfe and in that respect after his benediction made he brake the bread saying This is my bodie to the end we might thereby Luk. 22. 19. be instructed that as bread nourisheth our bodies euen so his wounded bodie deliuered vp vnto death for vs doth nourish our soules vnto eternall life receiuing the same by Faith and as
a Sacrament The Church of Rome of this foode for the soule would make foode for the bodie teaching that this was not spoken of the bread which Christ held in his hands when he pronounced those words This is my body for the bread was then no more bread but fantastically forge certaine accidents without substance of indiuidua vaga and say that that is the true bodie of Christ which descended into the bowels of the C. tribus gradibus de consec Dist 2. earth et per aqualiculos in secessū And that Rats Mice dogs may eate the bodie of Christ as they teach in their Cautelae Missae and S. Thomas and other Scholasticks beside a thousand other blasphemies They say also that this proposition that the bread is the bodie of Christ is hereticall and S. Augustine Part. 3. de Eucharist Quaest 79. Art 3. Gerson contra floretis 4. Iohn 651. by consequent an hereticke who saith That the bread is the bodie of Iesus Christ in the sacrament And by consequent also Christ himselfe should be an heretique too who saith in Saint Iohn The bread that I will giue you is my flesh Thus make they God imperfect in power because it is impossible that two bodies shoulde bee in one selfe same place as they say I will rehearse vnto yee how the saide Church of Rome hath gotten together all the auncient heresies as that of Montanus Euseb Hist Eccl. 8. Ca. 18. who forbad mariage and made lawe for fasting That of Pelagius who taught that we may doe diuerse meritorious works The heresie of the Euchites or Messalians who vnder the colour of praying to God and liuing in contemplation liued in idle slothfulnesse without doing any thing deuouring widowes Luk. 20. 47. houses vnder pretext of long praying according as Christ reproued the hypocriticall Scribes Of whome S. Augustine writeth August de opere Monach. that they pray so long as it is incredible to them that heare them recount them And they say that it is not lawfull for Monks to labour for their owne sustenance but commend their idlenesse and repute them thereby to be preseruers and keepers of the Gospell And Theodoret speaking of them saith that Failing Theod. heretic Fabul at prayers they sleepe the greater part of the day and so are allowed to doe the Authour whereof was one Simeon Abbeus The said Church of Rome doth teach vs a purgatorie with the Paganes And giue vs Aqua lustralis which they tearme Purgatory Holy water which was the inuention of Numa Pompilius the Holy water Idolater They bring in the Pagan and Iewishe pompes in magnificent habits as Stones Luminaries and Processions I conceale the rest for breuitie sake onely I say that as the Church of Rome hath willingly changed the ordinances of God and of his Sacraments euen so as willingly hath she gotten an other head and husband then Iesus Christ to wit the Pope who calleth the said Church of Rome his Spouse and Cap. quoniam de immuni in 60. C sunt quidem dicentes caus 2. 5. quaest 1. et ibi glossa guides her according to his owne fantasie giuing her new Lawes and saith hee hath power so to doe in C. Sunt quidam dicentes And the glosse approued and allowed by the saide Church saith That he may dispense against God and against his holy Gospell In the doing of which hee declares himselfe to bee hee of whome saint Paule speakes to the Thessalonians That hee exalteth himselfe against all that is called God 2. Thes 2. 4 For is not this to exalt himselfe against all that is called God boldly to dare to change his Lawes and his Gospell to adde thereto or diminish thence as hee saith hee hath power to doe In C. Ideo ss erat Also hee saith that hee is C. ideo ss erat God C. satis euidenter Dist 96. And so hee makes himselfe to bee by the adoration done vnto him and kissing of his Pantofle Wee may likewise beholde his Monkes Capuchines and Iesuites to bee daily sent abroade from him as his Apostles and Prophets to preach his newe Gospelles and that newe Article of Faith the extrauagant deuise of BONIFACE the eight Vnam sanctam Ecclesiam Vnam sanctam Ecclesiam And that it followes on necessitie of saluation to submit and Vnam sanctam Ecclesiam obey the Pope in all things holding and obseruing his ordinances as heauenly C. sic omnes Dist 19. And say that his discipline C. Sic omnes Dist 19. C. Sors non est caus 26. Quaest 3. C. Honoratus Dist 74. is more perfect then the Gospell practised and preached by the Apostles C. sors non est caus 26. Q. 3. Also to compell his vnderlings to the obseruation of his lawes which hee prizeth more then the word of God as it is to bee seene in C. honoratus Dist 74. And for the transgression of his lawes and commandements to be burned aliue as we haue seene many for eating flesh on a day by him forbidden but for blaspheming the name of God or whordome there needs no more but a little holy water one Pater noster and one Aue Maria to wash away the guilt of that offence Now by the cariage of himselfe in this manner hee cannot be Apostolique as he vaunts of himselfe nor yet the successour of Saint Peter for doubtlesse he sits not in Saint Peters chaire that neither holdeth nor confesseth the doctrine preached by Saint Peter and the other Apostles who neuer were Law-makers in the Church of God For there is but one Law-giuer which is God But there haue beene Ambassadors and interpreters Iames. 4. 12. as Saint Paule instructeth vs saying That we may be esteemed as the ministers of Christ dispensers of the secrets of God 1. Cor. 4. 1. 2. And Iesus Christ himselfe sending his Apostles forthe to preach said vnto them Goe and teach all nations baptizing Mat. 28. 19. 30 them in the name of the Father and the Sonne and the holie Ghost teaching them to obserue all things whatsoeuer I commaunded you He gaue them then no power to make newe lawes as the Pope licenseth his men to doe I am not willing to extend this discourse any further because I knowe it hath alreadie beene amply entreated on by verie learned men of these times but will conclude that since he is not obedient to the Gospell but puts in place thereof other doctrines and Gospels that he can bee no other but euen hee of whome saint Paule foretolde in his Epistle to the Thessalonians and as hee is described by saint Iohn in his Apocalipse And so consequently his Church wherof he tearms himselfe to be the spouse and head is not that Church out of which there is no saluation and whereto are made such gratious promises but rather it is the true Babylon out of which we are commanded to depart if wee will not partake in her
deliuer me out of the denne of Lyons lodge mee in the fold among his owne flocks Moreouer to craue pardon of him for my hainous transgressions committed in that since the time when hee gaue me a taste of his truth I stoode out like a Rebell to the light thereof resisting the blessed Spirit and deferring ouer-long the time of my conuersion But to the end that such as haue hitherto heere held mee for a member of the Church of Rome may not preiudicately conceiue that I haue thence dismembred or cut off my selfe lightly and without a great reason or subiect it is expedient that I deliuer the principall cause which heerunto hath moued me and that is nothing else but this sole reason That out of the Church of God there is no saluation For euen as during the time of the Deluge all those men that found themselues to bee out of Noahs Arke were drowned euen so all they that are out of the Church shall perish and no one person shall obtaine the eternall inheritance if first of all he haue not God for his Father and there is no man can haue him for his Father except he haue the Church for his Mother And forasmuch as the spirit of God hath giuen mee to knowe that the Church of Rome is not his Church but only this the true reformed Church desiring to bee saued I haue quitted the one to enter into the bosome of the other And although I can by many reasons approue and clearely shewe that the Church of Rome is not the Church of God yet for auoyding of prolixitie I will produce but three onely the verie least whereof is sufficient to perswade mee vndoubtedly and all such as are endued with the vnction which teacheth all thinges that that Church can not any way bee it The first is that euery congregation which abolisheth the commaundementes of God to establish other that are contrarie to them doth by this meanes breake the affinitie which it had with God and forsaking the same can no way bee the Church of God The Church of Rome hath abrogated or abolished the commaundements of God and hath established others quite contrarie to them by which meanes she hath broken the band of alliance with God and so forsaken God It ensueth then that it cannot be the Church of God Now for better iustifying the minor of this argument wee neede to regarde nothing else but what God hath required of a Church for approbation to bee his by the two first commandements of the Lawe For the first he will bee knowne of her to bee God onely and as such a one to bee serued honoured and adored forbidding to haue any other Gods before him or to giue them any part of his glorie Exod. 20. 3. The Church of Rome hath so farre failed in the keeping of this commaundement as shee hath altogether practised the contrarie receiuing an innumerable multitude of Gods vnder the name of Saints by the Pope Canonized which is as much to say as Deified and to them hath attributed and rendered the selfe same honour seruice and adoration which onely ought for GOD to bee reserued For shee inuokes and calles vpon them makes vowes to them buildes Temples to them erectes Altars ordaines feastes celebrates diuine honour and seruice to them all which thinges doe appertaine to none but God onely And shee is not contented to forge straunge Gods in this maner of the Saints soules whome they beleeue to bee in heauen although a great number of them helde by her for Saintes may bee buried in hell but shee delves into the bowels of the earth and opens Sepulchers where their supposed bodies are interred to make her newe Gods of their bones of their hayre of their habites and other such like trashe which shee hath caused to bee enchased into golde and siluer and so set vpon Altares or caried about on their shoulders in processions and make the people to kisse them vpon their knees Wherein assuredly shee hath exceeded the Iewes who albeit they were maruellously enclined to the forging of straunge Gods yet were they neuer so brutish as to canonize the holy Prophets neither to giue any honour to the bones of deade men for what sanctitie soeuer they might haue beene commended in their liues Perhaps they builded goodly Sepulchers to honour their memorie but they neuer did any religious seruice to them The bones of Eliseus might haue prophecied after his death if by their touch a deade bodie had beene raised yet all the honour done to them was to couer them with earth there to awaite the sound of the Trumpet when the soule which before had giuen life to them shoulde returne againe to reinuest them If she haue showen her selfe impious and ridiculous in these matters already recyted then well may she be iudged altogether senselesse in trāslating the diuinity into a morsel of bread adoring it for Iesus Christ creating to her selfe daily a million of new Gods If she haue thus transgressed against the first commandement it will appeare she hath carried no more respect to the second whereby God expressely forbiddeth the making of any grauen Image or the resemblance of any thing whatsoeuer either aboue in heauen heere belowe on the earth or in the waters vnderneath the earth nay more not to fall downe before them or vse any manner of seruice to them Exod. 20. 4. 5. But this charge hath she taken from the peoples remembrāce and most maliciously hath cut it quite away from the number of the commandements in the Houres which is a booke of praiers by her ministers prouided for the vulgar sort and yet to the end that there might still remaine the full number of ten they haue seuered the last and made two of it All her Temples hath she filled charged her Altars with the Images of men of Diuelles of horses of hogges of dogges and other resemblances and to them hath made incensings offerings set cādels burning before them and her adherents haue prostrated thēselues before them Nay so strāgely hath she herein proceeded that in the second Counsell of Nice she caused it there to be absolutely decreed that these Images should be adored excommunicated al such as did or beleeued the contrarie and that decree doth shee obserue to this present day Wherein apeareth a contrarietie most manifest betweene God who forbiddeth flatly the adoration of Images and the Church of Rome that commaunds men to adore them Now as she doth excommunicate euery one that doth not worshippe them so on the other side God curseth all such as doe so or fall downe before them Deut. 27. 15. Let euery man then in this point be well aduised which malediction ought most to be feared eyther that of God or the other of the Romane Church And though I should consider no other reason to perswade me that she is not the true Church of God yet this alone were more then sufficient But now another presents
it selfe before me which is of no lesse weight and substance and that is it which Saint Iohn saith Whosoeuer transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God He that cōtinueth in the doctrine of Christ hee hath both the Father and the Sonne If there come any to you and bring not this doctrine receiue him not into your house neither bid him God speede 2. Iohn 9. 10. And Saint Paule saith Though wee or an Angell from Heauen doe preach vnto you otherwise then that which wee haue preached vnto you let him bee accursed c. Galat. 1. 8. 9. The Church of Rome hath not continued in the doctrine of Christ but hath announced receiued another Gospell contrarie to that which the Apostles preached Therefore shee hath not God shee ought not to be receiued nor acknowledged nor yet to be saluted but held as execrable and accursed Wherefore then if she haue not God she is not the Church of God euen no more then the bodie of a man when the soule is separated from it can then be called or said to be a man If also she be accursed she is not the Church of God because the Church of God is euermore blessed and therefore whosoeuer will bee saued ought necessarily to forsake her and ranke himselfe there where God abideth It shall be easie for mee to approue the assumption of this argument by the conference of the doctrine of Iesus Christ which the Apostles preached with that which the Pope and all his doctors and preachers Romanists doe holde and preach in the Church of Rome and I wil begin at the very foūdation of the Church The doctrine Apostolical teacheth Other foundation can no man lay then that which is laide which is Iesus Christ 1. Cor. 3. 11. Whereupon himselfe was desirous to build his Church saying Vpon this Rock which is Christ the stone which the Romane builders haue aswell refused as the Iewes did will I build my Church Math. 16. 18. The Church of Rome hath taken her selfe from vnder this foundation and will needes bee grounded on that of Saint Peter But I referre to their opinion who cannot bee so vnprouided of iudgement how well the Church should bee defended against the powers of hell if shee had not a more solide foundation then that of Saint Peter who at the voice of a silly young mayden was in such sort shaken as all that was builded on him was neere hand ouerturned If so weak a winde did totter that foundation what then could the terrible stormes do which Sathan and his Angels which are the powers of the ayre vented out of hell against the Church of God The Apostles taught That wee are saued and iustified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Iesus by Faith in his bloud Rom. 3. 24. 25. And not by workes least any man should boast himselfe Ephes 2. 8. 9. which are the three causes of our iustification and saluation the efficient whereof is the grace or mercie of God the materiall is Iesus Christ in his bloude and the instrumentall faith in him The Church of Rome doth dogmatise the quite contrarie that wee may acquire iustice and Paradise by our good works and be iustified before God by them The doctrine Apostolicall testifieth That by the bloude of Christ wee are redeemed 1. Pet. 1. 19. Apoc. 5. 9. purged Hebre. 1. 3. washed and cleansed from all our sinnes Iohn 1. 29. Apoc. 1. 6. The Church of Rome holdes that wee may redeeme our sinnes by almes fastings pilgrimages celebration of Masses and such like thinges That there is another purgatory beside the bloud of Christ whereby hee satisfied to GOD for the paines which were due vnto vs and wherein wee are purged cleansed and washed from all soyle of sinne to appeare pure and vnpolluted before the face of God The same doctrine of the Apostles proposeth vnto vs one sole Mediatour Aduocate and Intercessour betweene God men to gaine grace and remission of their sinnes to wit Iesus Christ 1. Tim. 2. 5. 1. Iohn 2. 1. the Church of Rome doth attribute this office to Saints The Apostles taught that before the comming of Iesus Christ there were many Priests or sacrificers made because by death they were impeached from enduring so succeeded one another But Iesus Christ because he endureth euer hath an euerlasting Priesthode Hebre. 7. 23. 24. and because he had no neede of any successour therefore there was no neede also to offer daily sacrifices for sinne For he did it once for all offering vp himselfe and by this oblation onely the efficacie wherof is daily recent before God he hath consecrated to perpetuitie those that shal be saued He. 9. 10. The Romane Church holds the Pope for soueraigne sacrificer as if Christ to whom this office onely appertaineth were dead and he of necessitie ought to be his successour She acknowledgeth also all the Priests of Popery not only to be sacrificers whose office shee faith is daily to offer sacrifice in the Masse for the sins of the liuing and of the dead but likewise O blasphemie aboue all blasphemies the most execrable she cals them creatours of the Creator Stella clericorum The Apostles deliuered testimonie That Christ was the Prince of Pastors and Prince of the Kings vpon earth 1. Pet. 5. 2. 4. Apoc. 1. 5. Attributing to him the soueraigne authoritie as well spiritually ouer the Church as temporally ouer the kingdomes vpon earth expressely allowed and giuen him the Father The heathen for thine inheritance and all the ends of the earth for possession Psal 2. 8. himselfe also declaring when he was to ascend vp into heauen that all power is giuen vnto me both in heauen and earth The Church so much as in her lyeth despoyleth him of this authoritie and giues it to the beast mounted vpon the earth which representeth the Pope acknowledging him to haue two hornes like vnto those of the Lambe Apoc. 13. 11. to wit soueraigne authoritie spiritual ouer the Church when she proclaimeth him vniuersall head of the Church soueraigne high Priest prince of Bishops receiuing the lawes ordinances proceeding from the Dragon preferring them before those of Iesus Christ who proceeded from the eternall Father Shee hath also graunted him soueraine authoritie temporall ouer the Kingdoms of the earth in regard she beleeueth that it is in his power to dispossesse kings of their thrones and to giue them to others that all kings doe hold their Realmes by faith and homage to the Sea of Rome and that the Emperour himselfe ought not to be held as a lawfull Emperour if hee be not first approued confirmed by the said Sea that he haue first acknowledged made ordinarie submissions to the beast adored him and falling downe before his feete kissed his Pantofle The Apostles taught That such as prayed in a strange tongue not vnderstanding the same although they prayed in spirit yet their intelligence was