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10._o he_o &_o sanguis_fw-la domini_fw-la nihilominus_fw-la erat_fw-la illus_fw-la quibus_fw-la dicebat_fw-la apostolus_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v notwithstanding_o the_o body_n &_o blood_n of_o our_o lord_n which_o they_o take_v to_o who_o the_o apostle_n say_v he_o that_o eat_v and_o drink_v unworthy_o eat_v and_o drink_v his_o own_o damnation_n and_o to_o the_o same_o effect_n he_o say_v in_o diverse_a other_o place_n that_o judas_n receive_v the_o very_a selfsame_o body_n of_o christ_n that_o the_o other_o apostle_n do_v and_o the_o same_o affirm_v s._n chrysostome_n in_o his_o homily_n entitle_v of_o the_o treason_n of_o judas_n &_o general_o it_o be_v the_o uniform_a opinion_n of_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n whensoever_o any_o occasion_n be_v give_v to_o speak_v or_o treat_v thereof_o 48._o the_o second_o manner_n of_o receive_v christ_n by_o this_o sacrament_n be_v term_v spiritual_o only_a for_o that_o without_o sacramental_a receavinge_v of_o christ_n body_n and_o 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