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it_o nâ—â—nim_fw-la ipsâ—â—_n in_o celo_fw-la â—â—rus_fw-la crat_fw-mi â—â—mo_fw-la chrâ—â—_n jesus_n divine_a presence_n in_o paradise_n but_o you_o refuse_v that_o because_o 21_o because_o pag._n 21_o we_o have_v no_o warrant_n in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n to_o fasten_v christ_n soul_n unto_o hell_n for_o the_o time_n of_o his_o death_n that_o it_o may_v not_o be_v in_o paradise_n before_o he_o descend_v to_o hell_n three_o you_o 196_o you_o pa._n 196_o renounce_v austen_n and_o as_o he_o say_v almost_o all_o the_o church_n think_v that_o christ_n loose_v adam_n and_o some_o other_o who_o he_o think_v good_a out_o of_o the_o pain_n of_o hell_n wherein_o till_o his_o go_v thither_o they_o be_v hold_v four_o against_o all_o the_o father_n 200._o father_n pa._n 188_o 200._o you_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v more_o then_o manefe_a that_o christ_n do_v not_o fetch_v the_o patriarch_n out_o of_o limbo_n patrum_fw-la a_o certain_a region_n of_o rest_n under_o the_o earth_n as_o they_o general_o 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will_v disprove_v 19_o disprove_v treat_n â—â—_o pag._n 19_o my_o proposition_n which_o be_v whereby_o adam_n first_o sin_v by_o the_o same_o christ_n satisfy_v for_o sin_n you_o deny_v this_o because_o the_o scripture_n acknowledge_v no_o satisfaction_n but_o by_o death_n where_o still_o we_o must_v note_v that_o you_o mean_v only_o by_o the_o bodily_a death_n now_o how_o prove_v you_o that_o because_o the_o judge_n in_o prohibit_v adam_n to_o transgress_v threaten_a death_n 2._o death_n ocn._n 2._o in_o the_o day_n that_o thou_o cate_a thereof_o thou_o shall_v die_v the_o death_n which_o it_o seem_v 64._o seem_v pa._n 100_o 64._o you_o avouch_v again_o and_o again_o and_o be_v you_o sure_o that_o death_n here_o be_v but_o the_o bodily_a death_n only_o &_o no_o more_o then_o sure_o the_o wicked_a shall_v satisfy_v easy_o for_o their_o sin_n far_o be_v it_o from_o i_o to_o utter_v such_o a_o sentence_n nevertheless_o you_o must_v give_v i_o leave_v to_o show_v you_o also_o your_o 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forget_v 9_o pag._n 8_o 9_o that_o c_o hear_v â—ou_fw-fr renounce_v all_o satisfaction_n for_o sin_n in_o respect_n of_o merit_n as_o from_o christ_n soul_n utter_o 253._o pag._n 253._o therefore_o that_o absurd_a speech_n and_o worse_a which_o you_o do_v unjust_o cast_v on_o i_o etc._n pa._n 250._o etc._n etc._n prove_v in_o very_a deed_n to_o be_v your_o own_o that_o christ_n suffering_n in_o soul_n by_o sympathy_n make_v not_o to_o our_o redemption_n your_o own_o place_n in_o barnard_n make_v christ_n whole_a soul_n that_o be_v the_o mind_n and_o the_o part_n depend_v on_o the_o body_n also_o to_o have_v place_n and_o part_n in_o the_o meritorious_a sacrifice_n 84._o pag._n 84._o as_o well_o as_o the_o body_n e_o ut_fw-la totum_fw-la hominem_fw-la salvum_fw-la fecit_fw-la sic_fw-la de_fw-la toto_fw-la se_fw-la hostiam_fw-la fecit_fw-la salutarem_fw-la which_o suit_v not_o with_o your_o word_n the_o soul_n of_o christ_n which_o can_v not_o die_v can_v not_o pay_v the_o satisfaction_n and_o nothing_o may_v satisfy_v for_o sin_n but_o death_n etc._n pag._n 85_o 86_o 8._o etc._n etc._n yea_o all_o your_o f_z other_o place_n of_o contradiction_n hereunto_o must_v be_v take_v in_o good_a part_n as_o for_o your_o reason_n that_o nothing_o may_v satisfy_v for_o sin_n but_o death_n it_o be_v not_o sound_a the_o scripture_n do_v show_v in_o deed_n that_o christ_n shall_v not_o satisfy_v without_o death_n but_o they_o deny_v not_o that_o there_o be_v other_o part_n of_o christ_n satisfaction_n which_o differ_v from_o death_n as_o his_o bloodshed_n and_o beside_o that_o christ_n poverty_n his_o hunger_n his_o weariness_n his_o shame_n his_o reproach_n his_o apprehension_n his_o buffet_n etc._n etc._n these_o doubtless_o yea_o all_o other_o suffringe_n of_o christ_n whatsoever_o small_a or_o great_a be_v satisfactory_a &_o meritorious_a you_o will_v say_v you_o understand_v all_o these_o and_o such_o like_a in_o the_o death_n of_o christ_n you_o may_v understand_v what_o you_o listen_v but_o who_o will_v grant_v in_o proper_a speech_n that_o these_o be_v his_o death_n or_o that_o his_o death_n be_v any_o or_o all_o these_o and_o if_o you_o take_v christ_n death_n by_o the_o figure_n synecdoche_n a_o part_n of_o christ_n suffering_n for_o the_o whole_a etc._n pag._n 41._o etc._n etc._n then_o why_o do_v g_o you_o so_o much_o abhor_v that_o figure_n here_o and_o why_o may_v not_o the_o soul_n proper_a suffering_n be_v admit_v also_o into_o the_o work_n of_o christ_n satisfaction_n although_o it_o can_v not_o proper_o die_v where_o you_o nip_n i_o also_o for_o say_v that_o the_o soul_n of_o christ_n in_o some_o kind_n of_o sense_n die_v i_o hope_v in_o due_a place_n you_o shall_v have_v a_o reasonable_a answer_n to_o that_o matter_n till_o then_o have_v patience_n i_o pray_v and_o thus_o h_o you_o come_v to_o skan_v my_o assumption_n also_o 253._o pag._n 253._o that_o adam_n commit_v sin_n most_o proper_o in_o his_o soul_n which_o you_o grant_v in_o one_o sense_n be_v true_a but_o direct_o repugnant_a to_o my_o conclusion_n how_o i_o pray_v 25_o pray_v pag._n 25_o if_o i_o mean_v that_o adam_n soul_n transgress_v the_o commandment_n with_o her_o body_n and_o by_o her_o body_n that_o be_v the_o soul_n as_o agent_n the_o body_n as_o the_o instrument_n they_o the_o conclusion_n will_v follow_v in_o spite_n of_o my_o heart_n ergo_fw-la in_o satisfy_v for_o sin_n christ_n soul_n must_v be_v punish_v with_o her_o body_n and_o by_o her_o body_n which_o be_v the_o thing_n i_o labour_v to_o overthrow_v with_o all_o the_o wit_n i_o have_v nay_o than_o the_o conclusion_n will_v follow_v that_o the_o immortal_a part_n the_o mind_n be_v punish_v peculiar_o and_o not_o by_o and_o from_o the_o body_n only_o see_v in_o all_o even_o outward_a sin_n the_o soul_n sin_v both_o principal_o and_o also_o in_o a_o proper_a and_o peculiar_a manner_n by_o itself_o yea_o before_o the_o body_n sin_v albeit_o the_o body_n sin_v also_o secondary_o and_o in_o a_o manner_n proper_a to_o itself_o even_o as_o the_o instrument_n as_o you_o say_v yea_o further_o i_o mean_v that_o some_o sin_n the_o soul_n act_v in_o and_o by_o itself_o mere_o and_o therefore_o it_o suffer_v likewise_o some_o punishment_n mere_o in_o itself_o which_o touch_v not_o the_o body_n at_o all_o unless_o by_o sympathy_n only_o and_o that_o only_o when_o they_o grow_v vehement_a but_o all_o this_o you_o here_o deny_v doctrine_n very_o stranâ—_n doctrine_n teach_v that_o the_o soul_n proper_o commit_v no_o sin_n but_o by_o and_o with_o the_o body_n that_o be_v the_o soul_n in_o itself_o &_o by_o itself_o alone_o sin_v not_o and_o so_o consequent_o that_o god_n temporal_o and_o eternal_o punish_v the_o soul_n only_o by_o the_o body_n this_o be_v the_o true_a effect_n of_o your_o discourse_n here_o for_o proof_n of_o the_o first_o you_o say_v 25_o say_v pag._n 25_o god_n do_v not_o say_v to_o adam_n thou_o shall_v not_o like_v fruiâ—â—_n like_v the_o soudden_a fruiâ—â—_n it_o or_o desire_v it_o which_o the_o soul_n of_o adam_n do_v but_o thou_o shall_v not_o eat_v thereof_o which_o can_v not_o be_v perform_v but_o by_o the_o hand_n and_o mouth_n of_o adam_n and_o therefore_o adam_n transgress_v the_o commandment_n not_o by_o his_o soul_n but_o by_o his_o body_n even_o as_o in_o murder_n theft_n and_o adultery_n these_o fact_n man_n commit_v by_o their_o body_n and_o not_o by_o their_o soul_n and_o after_o all_o provocation_n and_o pleasure_n of_o sin_n the_o soul_n take_v from_o she_o '_o body_n all_o act_n of_o sin_n she_o commit_v by_o her_o body_n both_o which_o speech_n be_v exceed_o untrue_a and_o hurtful_a for_o even_o in_o these_o sin_n the_o soul_n as_o i_o say_v sin_v principal_o and_o peculiar_o before_o that_o the_o body_n sin_v at_o all_o yea_o the_o desire_v and_o like_n of_o evell_n be_v sin_n before_o the_o outward_a act_n be_v consummate_v and_o finish_v this_o paul_n 〈◊〉_d paul_n rom._n 〈◊〉_d understand_v at_o length_n when_o he_o become_v a_o christian_a though_o a_o long_a while_n be_v a_o pharisee_n he_o know_v it_o not_o and_o it_o seem_v this_o be_v in_o christ_n time_n the_o heresy_n of_o the_o pharisee_n against_o who_o he_o show_v that_o not_o only_o the_o outward_a fact_n of_o bodily_a sin_n be_v sin_n but_o also_o 5.22.28_o also_o â—at_a 5.22.28_o even_o the_o very_a thought_n and_o like_n towards_o sin_n wherefore_o adam_n be_v as_o well_o forbid_v to_o desire_n or_o like_v that_o fruit_n as_o to_o eat_v it_o which_o you_o deny_v the_o commandment_n be_v natural_o engrave_v in_o adam_n heart_n in_o his_o creation_n which_o since_o moses_n make_v distinct_a and_o diverse_a from_o all_o the_o rest_n which_o concern_v the_o outward_a act_n therefore_o distinct_o he_o say_v thou_o shall_v not_o desire_v or_o covet_v so_o that_o to_o desire_v the_o forbid_a
fruit_n be_v sin_n even_o without_o and_o before_o the_o act_n of_o eat_v moreover_o other_o foul_a sin_n heresy_n turkism_n and_o atheism_n be_v commit_v and_o determine_v simple_o in_o the_o mind_n without_o any_o necessary_a employment_n of_o any_o part_n of_o the_o body_n as_o touch_v heresy_n to_o hold_v two_o first_o cause_n of_o thing_n a_o good_a and_o a_o bad_a god_n and_o the_o devil_n with_o manichee_n also_o that_o christ_n the_o redeemer_n be_v not_o god_n with_o arrius_n that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v not_o god_n with_o eunomius_n &c_n &c_n that_o christ_n have_v no_o soul_n with_o apollinaris_n that_o christ_n manhood_n be_v confound_v and_o change_v into_o his_o godhead_n with_o eutyches_n or_o divide_v from_o his_o godhead_n with_o nestorius_n or_o the_o opinion_n of_o vbiquity_n or_o of_o transubstantiation_n final_o that_o there_o never_o be_v nor_o shall_v be_v any_o christ_n a_o redeemer_n as_o the_o turk_n hold_v that_o there_o be_v no_o god_n as_o the_o atheist_n now_o be_v there_o not_o many_o provocation_n to_o hatch_v and_o to_o conclude_v these_o opinion_n mere_o in_o the_o mind_n &_o soul_n of_o man_n be_v there_o not_o many_o pleasure_n even_o in_o these_o impiety_n mere_o in_o the_o mind_n yea_o it_o be_v evident_a to_o all_o that_o the_o mere_a thought_n the_o understanding_n &_o determination_n of_o the_o only_a soul_n of_o man_n do_v act_v they_o &_o resolve_v on_o they_o in_o itself_o without_o any_o concurrence_n or_o cooperation_n of_o the_o body_n therein_o happy_o you_o will_v say_v the_o soul_n take_v occasion_n so_o to_o think_v by_o some_o outward_a bodily_a thing_n before_o see_v or_o hear_v i_o deny_v not_o but_o the_o soul_n take_v occasion_n to_o think_v many_o thing_n by_o the_o bodily_a sense_n how_o be_v it_o not_o all_o thing_n simple_o and_o so_o be_v the_o father_n 255._o father_n â—prian_a and_o 〈◊〉_d 10._o in_o your_o â—â—g_n 255._o here_o to_o be_v understand_v if_o any_o will_v stumble_v on_o that_o of_o aristotle_n nihil_fw-la est_fw-la in_o intellectû_fw-fr quod_fw-la non_fw-la fuit_fw-la prius_fw-la in_o sensu_fw-la it_o be_v not_o absolute_o nor_o universal_o true_a my_o reason_n be_v because_o philosopher_n think_v the_o mind_n to_o be_v as_o it_o be_v tabula_fw-la abrasa_fw-la when_o we_o come_v into_o the_o world_n first_o they_o know_v not_o the_o natural_a pride_n the_o impiety_n and_o perversity_n of_o man_n soul_n which_o may_v yield_v many_o and_o sundry_a thought_n and_o determination_n to_o sin_n yea_o provocation_n and_o pleasure_n in_o sin_n which_o the_o body_n minister_v not_o neither_o can_v the_o heathen_a understand_v they_o and_o to_o say_v that_o this_o pride_n impiety_n and_o perversitie_n be_v take_v by_o contagion_n from_o the_o mere_a flesh_n original_o in_o generation_n be_v not_o to_o be_v prove_v bud_v yet_o be_v that_o so_o notwithstanding_o the_o soul_n afterward_o can_v act_v many_o sin_n mere_o in_o itself_o and_o without_o the_o cooperation_n of_o the_o body_n further_o as_o the_o angel_n sin_v in_o the_o begin_n by_o their_o mere_a spiritual_a conceit_n against_o god_n so_o nothing_o let_v but_o that_o man_n in_o his_o angel-like_a nature_n the_o reasonable_a soul_n may_v sin_v likewise_o without_o any_o bodily_a mean_n thereunto_o also_o as_o we_o can_v think_v well_o without_o use_v our_o body_n god_n so_o inspire_v we_o so_o may_v we_o think_v ill_o which_o be_v sin_n our_o own_o inborn_a corrupt_a understanding_n and_o reason_n and_o will_n move_v we_o only_o moreover_o if_o i_o grant_v you_o this_o point_n of_o heathen_a philosophy_n that_o the_o soul_n take_v occasion_n to_o think_v all_o thing_n which_o she_o think_v universal_o from_o the_o body_n &_o bodily_a object_n yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o she_o take_v occasion_n to_o misthinke_v from_o thence_o always_o the_o proper_a provocation_n and_o pleasure_n of_o sin_n be_v oftentimes_o not_o outward_a at_o all_o but_o the_o mere_a perversitie_n and_o 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satan_n wherefore_o for_o you_o to_o affirm_v that_o the_o soul_n commit_v all_o act_n of_o sin_n by_o the_o body_n &_o that_o god_n do_v not_o forbid_v adam_n to_o like_v or_o desire_v that_o fruit_n be_v more_o than_o strange_a doctrine_n somewhere_o most_o injurious_o 3â—_n injurious_o pag._n 3â—_n you_o reproach_n purity_n i_o dare_v say_v here_o you_o have_v no_o colour_n of_o purity_n in_o this_o point_n notwithstanding_o 2d_o notwithstanding_o pag._n 2d_o you_o resolut_o set_v yourself_o to_o prove_v your_o opinion_n not_o by_o scripture_n but_o by_o father_n who_o be_v answer_v before_o save_v tertullian_n who_o 2d_o who_o pag._n 2d_o you_o say_v point_v to_o a_o place_n of_o scripture_n for_o it_o 〈◊〉_d it_o mat._n 〈◊〉_d out_o of_o the_o heart_n come_v evil_a thought_n but_o this_o place_n be_v consider_v will_v rather_o prove_v the_o contrary_n for_o christ_n here_o mean_v not_o by_o heart_n any_o part_n of_o the_o body_n but_o mere_o the_o mind_n or_o soul_n of_o man_n and_o that_o with_o opposition_n to_o the_o body_n in_o this_o case_n of_o sin_v for_o thus_o in_o effect_n he_o say_v not_o the_o body_n sin_v by_o take_v in_o but_o the_o soul_n by_o send_v out_o that_o be_v to_o say_v the_o soul_n only_o sin_v proper_o &_o not_o the_o body_n at_o all_o no_o not_o in_o gross_a fact_n except_o as_o the_o body_n be_v the_o instrument_n the_o soul_n be_v the_o agent_n as_o yourself_o do_v speak_v otherwise_o the_o body_n sin_v not_o at_o all_o much_o less_o in_o such_o thought_n as_o be_v mere_a spiritual_a unless_o we_o mean_v by_o society_n &_o for_o conjunction_n sake_n in_o one_o person_n with_o the_o soul_n which_o indeed_o be_v it_o that_o sin_v and_o thus_o some_o have_v think_v those_o place_n of_o tertullian_n which_o 255._o which_o â—ag_n 255._o you_o cite_v may_v be_v understand_v but_o indeed_o tertullian_n you_o use_v not_o well_o and_o bring_v these_o his_o word_n against_o his_o own_o meaning_n as_o anon_o we_o shall_v further_o see_v that_o which_o you_o add_v of_o bodily_a infirmity_n let_v the_o operation_n of_o the_o soul_n for_o so_o i_o think_v you_o mean_v as_o in_o lethargy_n 256._o 〈◊〉_d 256._o apoplexy_n sleep_v frenzy_n etc._n etc._n peradventure_o than_o it_o think_v and_o consider_v more_o free_o in_o itself_o and_o by_o itself_o then_o when_o the_o body_n set_v it_o on_o work_n otherwise_o at_o other_o time_n howsoever_o it_o can_v never_o be_v prove_v that_o the_o soul_n then_o utter_o cease_v operation_n and_o can_v do_v nothing_o for_o it_o seem_v that_o only_a our_o memory_n and_o sensitive_a faculty_n be_v stop_v whereby_o it_o come_v to_o pass_v that_o we_o know_v nothing_o afterward_o what_o the_o mind_n contemplate_v and_o think_v in_o such_o case_n it_o be_v very_o rare_a when_o we_o remember_v something_o and_o by_o some_o extraordinary_a lose_n of_o those_o obstruction_n it_o be_v which_o common_o do_v possess_v our_o sense_n whole_o in_o such_o occasion_n yet_o even_o those_o small_a remnant_n of_o such_o operation_n of_o our_o soul_n be_v in_o such_o state_n do_v evident_o convince_v that_o the_o soul_n operation_n hang_v not_o necessary_o on_o the_o body_n neither_o be_v it_o idle_a when_o the_o body_n be_v hinder_v though_o common_o and_o for_o the_o most_o part_n we_o remember_v little_a thereof_o last_o if_o the_o soul_n operation_n be_v so_o necessary_o tie_v to_o the_o faculty_n and_o instrument_n of_o the_o body_n as_o you_o do_v avouch_v i_o great_o doubt_v how_o the_o soul_n immortality_n will_v be_v defend_v against_o the_o effect_n of_o your_o assertion_n 54.255_o â—â—â—oul_n have_v â—â—â—â—ion_n nor_o meereâ—â—â—â—mply_v in_o 〈◊〉_d without_o â—â—â—dy_n 54.255_o sure_o it_o bring_v in_o with_o it_o the_o heresy_n of_o pope_n john_n the_o 22._o and_o of_o certain_a anabaptiste_n that_o the_o soul_n have_v no_o be_v till_o when_o it_o shall_v resume_v her_o body_n at_o the_o
lâ—sse_o to_o make_v his_o son_n or_o his_o son_n to_o make_v himself_o any_o such_o surety_n or_o redeemer_n of_o rebel_n as_o christ_n be_v make_v and_o may_v be_v make_v of_o god_n for_o us._n so_o that_o also_o where_o you_o will_v have_v it_o to_o serve_v that_o we_o may_v perceive_v by_o this_o how_o christ_n be_v not_o defile_v nor_o hateful_a nor_o guilty_a by_o imputation_n of_o our_o treason_n it_o be_v evident_o to_o weak_a for_o you_o have_v not_o show_v neither_o can_v show_v that_o this_o king_n son_n be_v or_o ought_v to_o have_v be_v such_o a_o surety_n &_o redeemer_n as_o christ_n be_v that_o be_v unto_o bodily_a death_n therefore_o this_o similitude_n can_v be_v good_a we_o have_v other_o manner_n of_o warrant_n that_o christ_n be_v by_o imputation_n make_v sin_n for_o we_o and_o the_o curse_n for_o we_o and_o that_o this_o ordinance_n be_v holy_a and_o right_a and_o above_o all_o reproof_n which_o you_o can_v not_o bring_v for_o your_o king_n son_n suretyship_n nor_o for_o the_o king_n fact_n who_o keep_v not_o the_o order_n of_o justice_n when_o he_o spare_v abominable_a rebel_n without_o their_o bloodshed_n or_o when_o he_o slay_v his_o guiltless_a son_n for_o they_o that_o they_o may_v be_v spare_v after_o this_o c_o he_o impugn_v another_o reason_n of_o i_o with_o marveylous_a scorn_n and_o detestation_n 183.284_o pa._n 183.284_o that_o see_v christ_n d_o on_o the_o cross_n spoil_v principality_n and_o power_n 2.15_o col._n 2.15_o and_o make_v a_o show_n of_o they_o open_o triumph_v over_o they_o therefore_o i_o collect_v that_o christ_n there_o discern_v and_o feel_v the_o power_n of_o darkness_n satan_n and_o his_o complice_n as_o very_a instrument_n work_v the_o effect_n of_o god_n wrath_n upon_o himself_o which_o as_o i_o conceive_v be_v no_o such_o foolish_a nor_o impious_a reason_n as_o he_o vain_o pretend_v for_o do_v not_o the_o very_a phrase_n and_o manner_n of_o speech_n import_v some_o such_o mighty_a contention_n and_o violent_a 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for_o his_o general_a phrase_n imply_v that_o all_o the_o decease_a both_o good_a &_o bad_a be_v apud_fw-la inferos_fw-la vou_fw-fr do_v so_o whip_v he_o &_o handle_v he_o 3â—_n he_o your_o pâ—â—_n 387._o 3â—_n here_o that_o it_o seem_v you_o forget_v by_o who_o yourself_o have_v profit_v and_o that_o even_o he_o in_o time_n past_a have_v be_v your_o teacher_n i_o will_v not_o now_o enter_v into_o any_o defence_n of_o cicero_n his_o speech_n and_o language_n will_v defend_v itself_o also_o that_o be_v to_o leave_v our_o main_a purpose_n but_o it_o be_v the_o lesso_fw-it strange_a that_o you_o use_v cicero_n thus_o for_o other_o also_o have_v have_v the_o like_a correction_n at_o your_o hand_n with_o he_o 310._o â—â—g_v 310._o a_o before_o torence_n escape_v not_o and_o b_o here_o plato_n and_o socrates_n and_o other_o greek_n have_v also_o their_o part_n 374.378_o 〈◊〉_d 374.378_o for_o their_o use_n and_o take_v of_o the_o greek_a word_n hades_n so_o large_o as_o the_o natural_a 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368._o whosoever_o he_o be_v that_o will_v say_v otherwise_o know_v not_o what_o he_o say_v neither_o shall_v any_o credit_n or_o greatness_n which_o he_o have_v get_v he_o credit_v in_o so_o say_v yet_o in_o a_o certain_a place_n you_o most_o strange_o and_o confident_o avouch_v h_o that_o neither_o with_o the_o ancient_a master_n of_o the_o greek_a tongue_n which_o be_v poet_n 〈◊〉_d â—â—g_v 410._o 〈◊〉_d 1._o treat_n 〈◊〉_d 97.98_o â—â—to_o in_o â—â—done_v â—m_n iliad_a 1_o â—â—lutarch_n â—rallel_n &_o consol_n ad_fw-la 〈◊〉_d nor_o with_o the_o 70._o nor_o with_o the_o writer_n of_o the_o new_a testament_n nor_o with_o the_o people_n of_o that_o time_n hades_n do_v ever_o signify_v the_o world_n of_o soul_n without_o any_o limitation_n of_o state_n or_o place_n i_o think_v that_o those_o few_o allegation_n which_o i_o bring_v of_o *_o plato_n †_o homer_n and_o plutarch_n for_o the_o greek_a and_o of_o latin_n for_o the_o latin_a will_v have_v suffice_v to_o cause_v you_o not_o to_o 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katéltheman_n éntha_fw-mi te_fw-mi nékroi_fw-mi hither_o into_o hade_n all_o we_o that_o be_v dead_a do_v come_v this_o apolloâ—_n this_o plato_n gorgiaâ—_n plutarcâ—_n consolâ—_n apolloâ—_n plato_n and_o plutarch_n do_v acknowledge_v in_o that_o place_n which_o 37â—_n which_o pa._n 37â—_n you_o cite_v at_o large_a together_o with_o a_o number_n mo_z both_o of_o the_o poet_n &_o philosopher_n and_o this_o also_o it_o be_v that_o homer_n show_v how_o jupiter_n cast_v down_o his_o rebellious_a angel_n into_o hell_n tártaron_n with_o they_o the_o proper_a place_n of_o the_o damn_a he_o describe_v it_o to_o be_v so_o much_o beneath_o hades_n the_o place_n of_o the_o other_o dead_a hom._n dead_a hom._n hoson_n ouranos_fw-es esti_fw-la apo_fw-es gay_n as_o heaven_n be_v from_o the_o earth_n so_o in_o regard_n of_o this_o it_o be_v that_o aiant_fw-la that_o sophoâ—_n aiant_fw-la another_o make_v it_o to_o be_v much_o better_a to_o be_v in_o hade_n as_o it_o be_v the_o common_a place_n and_o condition_n of_o the_o dead_a not_o hell_n then_o to_o be_v sick_a unrecoverable_o kreissôn_o aida_fw-mi keuthôn_n e_o nosôn_fw-fr mátan_n and_o so_o plutarch_n make_v hades_n not_o hell_n but_o the_o place_n of_o the_o dead_a or_o the_o stare_n of_o the_o dead_a in_o general_a to_o be_v a_o sovereign_a comfort_n to_o the_o afflict_a &_o miserable_a in_o this_o world_n aeschyâ—_n world_n plutarcâ—_n swear_v aeschyâ—_n o_o thanate_n paian_n iatros_fw-la molois_fw-fr limen_n gar_o ontôs_fw-la aidas_fw-la and_o aian_n aiden_n d'echôn_v boethon_fw-mi ou_fw-fr tremo_fw-la skias_fw-la last_o that_o which_o 37â—_n which_o pag._n 37â—_n you_o bring_v of_o orpheus_n describe_v the_o true_a god_n that_o he_o be_v king_n both_o of_o the_o unseen_a world_n aithéros_fw-fr ed'aïdou_fw-fr and_o also_o of_o this_o present_a visible_a world_n ponton_a gaiéste_n tyrannos_fw-la confirm_v all_o that_o be_v before_o say_v for_o aither_o aide_n here_o be_v to_o be_v construe_v together_o not_o separat_o and_o so_o he_o signify_v thereby_o that_o the_o true_a god_n indeed_o be_v lord_n and_o king_n not_o only_o over_o this_o whole_a visible_a world_n which_o he_o understand_v by_o the_o sea_n and_o land_n but_o also_o over_o the_o whole_a invisible_a world_n or_o air_n that_o be_v over_o all_o the_o dead_a both_o good_a and_o bad_a i_o marvel_v therefore_o very_o much_o what_o you_o mean_v to_o speak_v so_o plain_o contrary_a to_o the_o truth_n and_o to_o your_o own_o knowledge_n that_o hades_n do_v never_o signify_v the_o world_n of_o soul_n without_o any_o limitation_n of_o state_n or_o place_n no_o not_o with_o the_o ancient_a master_n of_o the_o greek_a tongue_n which_o be_v the_o poet_n the_o rather_o this_o your_o speech_n be_v direct_o against_o your_o knowledge_n because_o you_o express_o collect_v and_o confess_v the_o contrary_a that_o be_v the_o same_o which_o i_o do_v 403._o â—ag_n 403._o thus_o you_o say_v a_o hades_n
other_o fancy_n &_o fiction_n of_o the_o heathen_a as_o for_o example_n zeus_n jupiter_n be_v among_o the_o heathen_n their_o great_a god_n &_o he_o only_o be_v their_o high_a of_o who_o beside_o they_o hold_v a_o 1000_o fable_n and_o indeed_o he_o be_v none_o other_o but_o a_o devil_n as_o be_v before_o note_v nevertheless_o the_o apostle_n use_v the_o same_o for_o the_o only_a true_a god_n the_o author_n and_o governor_n of_o heaven_n and_o earth_n pass_v by_o all_o their_o fable_n when_o he_o appli_v the_o poet_n verse_n 2d_o verse_n act._n 2d_o his_o generation_n also_o we_o be_v tartarus_n which_o 3â—_n which_o pag._n 3â—_n you_o object_n though_o rare_o &_o sometime_o perhaps_o a_o philosopher_n will_v note_v thereby_o the_o air_n yet_o indeed_o usual_o and_o in_o a_o manner_n always_o they_o mean_v hell_n by_o it_o with_o a_o thousand_o of_o dream_n thereto_o belong_v yet_o peter_n not_o canonise_a nor_o commend_v their_o dream_n and_o fiction_n of_o hell_n notwithstanding_o 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