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A13774 The true copy of tvvo letters, with their seuerall answeres, contayning the late apostasie of the Earle of Lauall, after his returne from Italy VVherein the principall poynts in controuersie with the papists, are learnedly and fully confuted. By D. Tilenus. Faythfully translated by D.D.S. Tilenus, Daniel, 1563-1633.; Coligny, Guy Paul de, 1555-1586, attributed name.; D. D. S.; Laval, Antoine de, 1550-1631, attributed name. 1605 (1605) STC 24072; ESTC S118417 23,042 42

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cut the knots then to loose them I say then that this purity is to be considered either in regard of the doctrine or good life and that both the one and the other is in the Church according to the condition and measure which is assigned to her during the space of her residence heere on the earth in the which estate as touching her head who is Iesus Christ she is euer pure but not altogether pure in herselfe for seeing euery member of the same is subiect to fayle as well in doctrine as in life and that wee knowe her heere but in part the body which is composed of these members cannot bee wholy pure and perfit and to consider the body of the Church without her members particular whereof shee is compound were as much as to transforme her into an Idea Platonica only the Prophets and Apostles by a vocation and speciall prerogatiue and by an assistance and helpe immediate extraordinary of the holy Spirit were exempt and free of all errour in the doctrine the which in this respect and by good reason is the true and onely rule of all purity and according as the Church drawes either neere or is far distant the measure of her purity increaseth or decreaseth and when she is called pure that is either in respect of her head or in regard of a part thereof which is receyued in the heauens which they call the Church Triumphant or rather in regard of the end shee aymes at in this world euen so as they call a house an edifice which is but yet in building and before it be complete and ended And like as the purity of the Church is subiect to alteration euen so is her forme or externall behauiour in respect whereof they call it visible for although she remayne euer visible in her selfe yet so is it that she is not alwayes visible to others especially to those that haue not the eyes which be requisite for the seeing of her as the Sunne it selfe is not to be seene by a blind man and the Almighty for the preseruing of her from her persecutors retyred her sometimes to the wildernesse to secret caues and dennes euen as he did withdraw his Sonne Christ Iesus into Egypt to preserue him from the rage of Herode And then shee became inuisible but not to God neyther to herselfe but only to the eyes and iudgement of the blind world I say then that the Church militant hath euer retained that measure of purity which the holy Ghost hath communicated to her not only since Caluins time but the Apostles dayes euen to vs present this day As also the sayd measure was much different diuers in sundry times places the which vndoubtedly did moue the ancient Fathers to compare the Church vnto the Moone which sheweth her selfe sometimes of more otherwhiles of lesse light as it were eclipsed and hides herselfe altogether as it were from the world without danger notwithstanding all this either to be lost or scattered as well appeared in the Church of Israel in the time of Ely the Prophet where there was a Church of seuen thousand that did not bow their knees to Baal which was not perceiued there externally If your pretended teachers shall not graunt vnto me that which heretofore is alledged I shall cause them by the authority of Bellarmine to deny the purity of their owne Romane Church and after this maner I will proue it The Church that may altogether bee compounded of vnfaithfull persons wicked and reprobates can haue neither puritie in her faith nor in her life But so it is that the church so described by Bellarmine may be wholy composed of such people therfore she can haue no kind of purity The Assumption is proued and made cleare in his booke of the Church in the last Paragraph where Bellarmine saith that is the definitiō of the Church according to the which some be of the body not of the soule thereof hauing no internall vertue and being as it were the haire the nayles and corrupt humours of the body of man and of such sort be the Infidels wicked and reprobates as Bellarmine himself expresseth them who may make external professiō of faith cōmunicate to the Sacraments subiect thēselues to the Pope which be the 3. essentiall conditiōs and only necessaries according to this Cardinall for to be in the Church By the same Authour I will argue againe after another maner That which may be destitute of fayth hope and charity cannot remaine in purity yea rather may lose all But the church according to Bellarmine may be voyd of al those qualities therfore she may lose al her purity But if any shall reply that Bellarmine adioynes that the sayd vertues are to bee found neuerthelesse in the Church I aske whether they be of the essence of the Church or not If the first wherfore sayes he in his definition that they be not necessary But if the second how can a Church without faith hope and charity bee thought pure Learne then sir by these two arguments as by two marks or rather ensignes the purity of the place where those people would lodge you neuertheles this is that Church which Cardinall Baronius maintaynes and defends to haue neither spot nor blemish Wheras ye write desire that the time may be shewed and marked in the which errours and vncleannes haue entred into the Church of Rome surely this discourse would prolong too much my letter which you desire me to make short would importune more by her prolixity then it should instruct you by her vtility more proper to a history then to doctrine Is it inough that a poore Hydropique should beleeue to be sicke to haue need of phisike when he is so swolne that he is almost in danger to burst although none can precisely mark shew him the houre when as his liuer began to be consumed Surely while as the fire is in the house the water within the ship the enemies within the town the Wolfe within the fold those that hope to preuent the danger or rather to preserue them be more aduised and circūspect then those that wil beleeue nothing vnlesse they shew them at what time how that is come to passe and who busies thēselues in searching the causes the beginnings we know that already in the daies of the Apostles the mystery of iniquity began to work it selfe which S. Paul foretold that after his departure there should enter rauenous wolues among the flocks in that night after the husbandman had sowne the good seed behold the enemy also did sow the Tares The Antichrist was not begotten in one day This Beare was not so soone licked and put in form as he of whom speaks Surius the Cardinall Baronius who of a wilde beast became a reasonable creature made himself also Frier in that same instant after he had prostrated himselfe before the relikes
THE True Copy of tvvo Letters with their seuerall Answeres contayning the late Apostasie of the Earle of Lauall after his returne from Italy Wherein the principall poynts in controuersie with the Papists are learnedly and fully confuted By D. TILENVS Faythfully translated by D. D. S. LONDON Printed by Simon Stafford for Nathanael Butter and are to be sold at his shop in Paules Churchyard neere S. Austens Gate 1605. To the most Christian and mighty Monarch James by the grace of God King of great Brittayne Fraunce and Ireland Defender of the true ancient and Catholike Fayth MOst mighty and renowmed King behold I offer to your Maiesty these vnexpected and vntimeous letters wherein the fine and pure gold of Saba is mingled with the olde and corrupt drosse of Egypt to be tryde by the diuine touchstone of your sacred wisdome perswading myselfe that the reading of them shal not be so picasant to your Maiesties eares as the discontentment in beholding the sudden fall and miserable Apostasie of so great a personage and of my knowledge so greatly deuoted to your Maiesties seruice besides that great hope and expectation which was had throughout all France of him to be one day a helpe and comfort to Christs true Church there I may here very well compare him to the folly of the Lark which while it playes with the feather and stoopeth is caught in the Fowlers net so he dallying in his youth prime of yeres being deceyued by the beautifull feathers glasses of pleasant Italy was caught by the charming intisemēts of those Antichristian Vipers with whose venome being once stung hard was it to find such medicine for the cure of so dāgerous a discase not doubting in this mean time but as your Maiesty would be glad to heare of his healing and rising againe to the imbracing of the truth from whence he fell so likewise on the other part I am fully perswaded that your Maiesties wonted care shall continue in this your newe Monarchy that no person of any quality and marke hereafter shall bee licenced to trauell especially to Spaine Italy places most dangerous for practising of treasons betraying of their own soules yea the liues of their owne Kings and countries but with such a strict caueat that if they continue not constant in the profession of the truth wherin they haue bin taught that at their returne They shal expect the rigor of your lawes to be executed against them more seuerely then heretofore haue bin lest by their ouersight and daily increase they may not onely indanger Christes Church in your dominiōs but also your Maiesties person state which God forbid should euer come to passe in this our age or in any other following I craue humble pardon that remēbers other mens matters to your Maiesty in forgetting my self for charity should begin at her selfe praying in all submission that this small mite of mine may be receyued with that accustomed fauour which sometime I inioyed more liberally as your Maiesty vseth to accept the rich treasures of others dayly offered to your Maiesty and this to bee but the earnest of a better worke to follow and a remembrance of my dutifull affection humbly submitting my selfe and this my rude Translation to the royal most learned censure of your Maiesty who can far better iudge therof then I haue deliuered it I make an end beseeching the Almighty King of Kings long to preserue your Maiesties life to prosper all your good actions and godly enterprises to his glory to the comfort and good of the Church and Common-wealth Your Maiesties most humble and loyall Seruant D. D. S. The Translator NO man Christian Reader can serue two masters saith our Sauiour Christ for the cōfort that is of God is sweet and delectable but this is not for al men but for those only which despise the vanities of this world It is impossible to taste of God and his pleasures to loue disordinately the things of this life All men would inioy gladly the sweet conuersatiō of our Lord but few there be that will forgoe their owne worldly desires and willingly despise their earthly contentmēts they desire greatly to haue the inward comfort of the soule but withall they desire to satisfy their own extraordinary lusts and appetites This may well appeare in the Apostasy of this Noble man very godly carefully broght vp in his tender yeeres in the true Religion who casting off all true feare of God loue of true Religion and the great honour commendations that his house predecessors had for professing maintaining the same against the enemies therof suffering himselfe in the prime of his yeres with pride and preiudice two of his chiefe guides into Italy to be bereft of that precious inestimable pearle of Christs verity for pride insinuating her selfe crept into his soule a most dangerous ghest taking once possession is very hard to be expelled againe Preiudice on the other part so great an enemy to the truth that it makes the mind vncapable of it for if in his heart he had laid a sure groūd all his enemies had not shaken it much lesse ouer thrown his Religion Ye see be loued what it is to serue two masters as he would haue done I compare him vnto those who kindles a fire vnder greene wood and leaues it so soone as it begins to flame leauing off a good beginning for want of seconding it with a suteable proceeding but rather lazily cowardly being ouercome with the pleasures of the coūtry and the curiosity of his young and vayne conceits forgetting the seruice of God wherin he had liued before betook him to the seruice of Antichrist with-drew himselfe as with a discontented mind from the company of his chiefe Gouernour both graue wise and godly giuing himselfe ouer to the company of those deuouring Serpents who neuer left him vntil he was broght into the endlesse Laborinth of their superstitious Idolatry made his soule drunk with the new wine of the cup of the Beast I beseech you therefore all that loue your owne saluation to take here your example and eschue the company of the vngodly wicked but especially such as in the habits of simple Lambs come secretly as Wolues to infect and deuoure your soules vnder the pretence of holinesse and deuotion and so I bid you farewell The Translator to D. Tilenus his ancient acquaintance the Authour hereof THou true TILENVS to thy Lord LAVALL And faithfull Teacher of his tender yeeres Thy learning great and pietie appeares By diuine answeres to repaire his fall Thy truth doth shine his vntruth to deface Thy heauenly dewe distilleth from aboue To heale his soule whom thou so deare didst loue And leadeth him the way to sauing grace But if so be thy counsell hee neglect Yet thousand eyes shall read thy leaues and lindes And shall be scanned by a thousand mindes With endlesse praise thy Trophees to erect Where your