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A87552 Allotrioepiskopos, the busie bishop. Or The visitor visited. By way of answer to a very feeble pamphlet lately published by Mr J.G. called Sion Colledge visited, in which answer, his cavils against the ministers of London for witnessing against his errours touching the holy Scriptures, and the power of man to good supernaturall, are answered, and the impertinency of his quotations out of the fathers, Martin Bucer, and Mr Ball are manifested. / By William Jenkyn minister of the Word of God at Christ-Church London. Jenkyn, William, 1613-1685. 1648 (1648) Wing J632; Thomason E434_4; ESTC R202641 59,976 70

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naturall men may doe such things whereunto God hath by way of promise annexed grace because they may beleeve c. Friend Fear you not God Did not your hand shake and your heart tremble when you wrote that the Ministers set down these words for the Error Doubtles men are naturall before they are spirituall For your position that naturall men may doe such things whereunto God hath by way of promise annexed grace how should I rejoice could I hope that the reason why you conceald it in Sion Coll. visit was remorse I observed a little before that you left out the word alwaies in setting down that Error the same with this in other words cited by the subscribers in their Testimony A naturall man by his naturall principles may attain that conviction which conversion alwaies follows I adde to what there I said I suppose by your naturall man who you say doth things to which God hath annexed acceptation you mean the same man that the Apostle speaks of Rom. 8.8 The man in the flesh now that man cannot please God Opera Anglica na contra jungu● pag 8.8 Fateor non param nihi do uit dogma planè imptum a pertè Pelogia num obtru●i nostrae scholae c. sed Hominem posse ante justificatione a dum adhu● a Christo do nino est al●●us impius facere bona opera quae fint Deo ita grata ut bis operib● Deus moveatur ad co● creadum plenam ad se co●versi●en Rivet Disp pag. 155. though your naturall man doth things acceptable to God Invert not Gods and natures order first let the tree be good and then the fruit But know if you still remain obdurate that your good friend Mr Bucer hath no more patience toward you but in down right terms calls you Pelagian for saith he 't is an impious and a Pelagian opinion that a man before justification and while out of Christ should be able to doe good works so acceptable to God that by these works God should be moved to bestow conversion upon him Only I confesse the learned Rivet p. 155. of his disputations with a little more moderation calls you among the rest a pargetted Pelagian If I rightly English his words incrustantes Pelagianismum And I pray consider how little you want of meritum de congruo But you prove your position That naturall men may doe such good works c. most lamentably because 't is possible say you they may beleeve But how then say I can they doe things accep●able to God before they beleeve if you make beleeving the reason of their acceptation And who knows not but that naturall men may beleeve viz. that they are such subjects as God works upon so as to make them beleevers but prove that they are able to beleeve while they are naturall men Help him logick let fallacia a bene divisis ad malè conjuncta be well heeded how should your poor people know your fulla●ies when you know them not your self They make me an Erroneous offender Sion Col. visit p. 16. for saying that to beleeve first that God is secondly that he is a rewarder of all those who diligently seek him is all the faith which the Apostle makes absolutely necessary to bring a man to God Heb. 11 6. Answ Still you would fain have the Scripture counted hereticall with your self but the Subscribers know how to distinguish between these two the holy Scriptures and your hereticall scriblings Your self not the Subscribers make you the Erroneus offender but not for these words viz. To beleeve that God is and that he is a rewarder c. is all the faith which is necessary to bring a man to God but for your saying immediately going before which you were afraid or ashamed to repeat viz. That all the world even those that have not the letter of the Gospel have yet sufficient means granted them of beleeving these two viz. That God is and that he is a rewarder c. You affirming that they who have only the heavens the Sun Moon and Starres to preach the Gospel unto them they also have reason sufficient to judge the same judgement with them who have the letter of the Gospel for they have the Gospel say you the substance and effect of it the willingnes of God to be reconciled to the world preached unto them by the Apostles aforesaid the Sun Moon and Starres What stuffe is here Have all the world sufficient means of beleeving these two 1. That God is Heb. 11.6 2. That he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him Had you understood that place of Scripture you would not have said so for the faith or belief there spoken of is evidently such a faith as whereby a man may come to God with acceptation The words are set down by the Apostle to prove that without faith no man can please God For faith he No man can acceptably come to God unlesse he beleeve that God is and that he is a rewarder of them that seek him strongly inferring that whosoever doth beleeve that God is and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him doth come to God in a way of pleasing him Judicious Calvin tells you thus upon the place Haec est ratio cur citra fidem null a Deo placeat quia nullus unquam accedit nisi qui credit Deum esse statue● remuneratorem esse omnibus qui eum quaerunt And a little after he saith the Apostle meaneth not that men should be perswaded that there is some or a God but he speaks this of the true God De vero Deo hoc praedicat and this reward is not to be referred to the dignity of works but to faith Haec remuneratio non ad operum dignitatem vel pretium sed ad fidem refertur Calv. in loc And Paraeus upon that place will inform you that those two heads of faith That God is and that God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him are not to be understood Philosophically but Theologically that the eternall God is Father Son and holy Ghost and that he is a rewarder of them that seek him Evangelically by faith in Christ with the benefits of the Gospel pardon adoption sanctification glory c. And can Heathens by the Sun Moon and Starres doe this can they by the light of nature beleeve a trinity of Persons in unity of Essence if they doe they are better then your godly persons Hag. pag 36 who you say are holy and walk with God and yet beleeve not that God is one in three persons Ad co●nitiene● De●per createras ex naturae lumine non aliter ducimur nisi quatenus Deus est earum principium causa non au●em earum ●ausa nisi per divinam suam cirtutem omnil us 〈◊〉 ●o●warem 〈◊〉 per creaturas cognitionem consequinon valemus nisi eam quae patri 〈◊〉