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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A47432	An answer to the considerations which obliged Peter Manby, late Dean of London-Derry in Ireland, as he pretends, to embrace what he calls, the Catholick religion by William King ...	King, William, 1650-1729.	1687 (1687)	Wing K523; ESTC R966	76,003	113

conclude p. 10. in a word p. 11. in sine next paragraph on the whole matter p. 12. after all his concluding he must have a word or two before he make an end p. 13. he promises to say no more and yet he cannot forbear adding two or three things nothing to the purpose Thus he says and unsays and labours in a heap of confusion And when all is done he puts things in a less advantageous Light than has been done by many of his Brethren before him I shall bring what he says such as it is into this method 1st I will consider what he says in order to vindicate or recommend his new Church And 2ly Wherein he criminates ours § 2. He endeavours to vindicate his new Church in her Devotions as to the Direction of them as to their being in an unknown Tongue and as to their being made before Images He endeavours to recommend her from the excellency of her Prayers and from the Devotion and Unity of her People As to the direction of her Prayers he tells us That instead of Idolatry he found most elevated and judicious Prayers to the Holy Trinity concluding in the Name of our Saviour Jesus Christ p. 9. and he asks Do Roman Catholicks ever say Mass to any other object but the living Father Son and Holy Ghost p. 12. Now if all the Prayers in the Mass be so very elevated and judicious and all said to the Trinity only then God forgive the wickedness of those People who quarrel at this and persecute it with so blind and furious Aversion But soft and fair Mr. M. consider they are Hereticks you pray for and ten to one either do not deserve or do not need your Charity For suppose the Prayers in the Mass were never so judicious and never so well directed yet for ought the People know or any assurance they have besides the honesty of the Priest the Prayers may be Conjuring or Cursing directed to Jupiter or Mahomet and therefore 't is your own Fault that people persecute them with so blind and furious Aversion since you keep the people in that blindness and will not let them understand their Prayers that they may admire their Judiciousness § 3. But 2ly It is to be considered that the Mass was patched up in a barbarous and ignorant Age though many of the Materials are old and the composition is such that all even of the Roman Communion are not satisfied concerning the Judiciousness of the Prayers in it In so much that Cassander who was a little better acquainted with it then Mr. M. confesses the phrase is obscure even to Learned Men that the Canon is difficult and that sometimes there is a sudden jump from one sence of a word to another Cassander was no perverse ill-natured Phanatick but a learned and ingenuous Roman Catholick and yet he finds fault with this Prayer Mr. M. has produc'd and others of the like importance in the Mass because they are improperly used as Masses are now celebrated for these Prayers have respect as he tells us to an ancient custom in the Church now gone out of use and agree chiefly to a Solemn Mass in which there is supposed to be a Communion and Congregation of the people that have offered Bread and Wine This Bread and Wine offered by the People is that immaculate Sacrifice offered up by the Priest in the Prayer mentioned by Mr. M. And where neither People are present nor any Offering is made by them this Prayer and several others in the Mass make a hard shift to gain the Estimation of either Sence or Truth much less of Judiciousness And has given occasion to some to abuse the Mass to Superstition and to others to condemn it as Impious How can a Priest with either Judgment or Truth offer a Sacrifice for all present as the Prayers direct him to do even in a solitary Mass when none is present or near him But 3ly As all the Prayers in the Mass are not judiciously contrived so neither are they all said to the Trinity the very Sacrifice being offered up for the Honour of Saints and Angels and to obtain of them their Intercession besides several Prayers made to them for the same purpose directly contrary to what we learn from Saint Augustine to have been the Practice of the ancient Church § 4. Mr. M. seems aware of this Objection and hints at three Answers to it 1st That Presbyterians object as much against that Canticle in the Common-Prayer-Book called Benidecite 2dly That the Roman Catholick ascribe nothing to Angels or Saints but as the Ministers of God And 3dly That the Angels must know our affairs and the Saints have intelligence from them and therefore we pray to them 1. He assures us That the Reader shall find Protestants objecting nothing against Consessing and Praying to Saints and Angels but what Presbyterians do against that Canticle in the Common-Prayer-Book called Benedicite omnia opera O Ananias Azarias and Misael praise ye the Lord is as rank Popery with Presbyterians as any thing in the Mass or Litanies of our Lady p. 9. Now except he be able to shew where the Presbyterians have declared this as their sence we can count him no better than a Slanderer For my part I do prosess that I never yet met with one single Presbyterian so silly as to make this Apostrophe for an Invocation of dead Men who do not hear us The disparity of the case is so manifest between our Church and the Roman that it is hardly possible any should mistake The Roman Church has determined that it is good and prositable humbly to invocate the Saints and to flee to their Prayers Help and Assistance Our Church has declared Invocation of Saints to be a fond thing vainly invented To parallel therefore the Presbyterian Objection if any such there be against us with ours against the Papists on this Head is to shift off an Objection which did not easily admit of an Answer § 5. Let us see if this second Answer be any better which is that the Roman Catholicks attribute nothing to Angels or Saints but as the Ministers and Favourites of the Living God receiving from him whatever understanding they have of our affairs p. 12. But what then May not Men ascribe more to Favourites than the King allows them and is not that an encroachment on his Prerogative If Mr. M. will shew us where God allows us to make Prayers to Saints to erect Images for their Worship burn Incense before them dedicate Churches to their Honour make Vows to them or devote Orders and Societies of Men as slaves to their Service he will indeed vindicate his Church against the Reformation for in possession of all these the first Reformers found them and justly concluded it safest to lay them aside as too much to be allowed Favourites out of our own head without the express Declaration of the Princes Will. But if he cannot