Brimpton though not cleaving the pin touch the mark in this point Unde Anglis regnantibus laus CANTABRIGIENSIS PROVINCIAE splendide florebat Yet the dignity being but tempory and disposable at the Princes pleasure in reward of new Services the Kentish had it afterward bestowed on them and for a long time enjoyed it Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 141. It did not afterwards embolden him to the anticipation of the Crown attending till it descended upon him He speaks this of King Edward the Confessor who had he tarryed till the Crown had descended on him might possibly have found a place amongst the Confessors but not amongst the Kings of England For the truth is the right title to the Crown was at that time in Edward surnamed the Outlaw the eldest son of Edmund Ironside who flying into Hungary to avoid the fury of the Danes married the Kings sister of that Country and was by her the Father of Edgar Atheling and of Margaret wife to Malcolm Conmor King of the Scots But these being absent at that time Emma the Mother of Prince Edward and Widow to Canutus the Dane took the oportunity to set her son upon the Throne as being not onely half-brother to King Edmund Ironside but also half-brother and consequently nearest Kinsman to Canutus the second which if it were a good descent will plead almost as strongly for King Harald as it did for him Fuller My words are true and not subject to just exception which I confined onely to King Edward his relation to his own brethren The legend of his life reports him to be crowned when unborn in his Mothers Belly and having six elder Brethren by the same father King Ethelred 1. Ethelstan 2. Egbert 3. Edmond 4. Edred 5. Edwy 6. Edgar Some of which came to the Crown others died in their minority King Edward though thus pre-crowned did not endeavor to ante-date his possession of the Throne before his elder Brethren but waited till the title as it was derived unto him from his father descended on him Otherwise I advocate not for Him if He took it from any other who had more right to it than himself Dr. Heylin But by what means soever he got the Crown he deserved to weare it Fuller I cannot cordially close with the Animadvertors expression herein being sensible of no Desert which in this Case is not attended with a true Title For who shall judge of the desert of Competitors If the person himself then every usurper will cry up his own worthinesse If his party they will make him most meriting whom they favour most in their fancies This will unsettle all States cassat all Titles and cause much distraction But believing no Il at all intended in these his words let us proceed Dr. Heylin Our Author telleth us ibid. That whereas formerly there were manifold Laws in the Land made some by the Britains others by the Danes others by the English c. He caused some few of the best to be selected and the rest as captious and unnecessary to be rejected from whence they had the name of the Common Laws That the Common-Law was so call'd because compounded of the Saxon British and Danish Lawes which were before of force onely in such places where the Danes Britans and Saxons had the greatest sway though it be easie to be said will be hard to be proved The Britains at that time liv'd under their own Princes and were governed by their own Lawes and so they were for a long time after so that King Edward having no dominion over them could not impose a Law upon them Nor was it propable that he should borrow any of their Laws or impose them on his natural Subjects considering the antipathy and disaffection betwixt the Nations There were at that time indeed in England three kindes of Laws The first called Dane-lage or the Danish Laws prevailing for the most part in the Kingdome of the East-Angles and that of Northumberland Secondly Saxon-lage used generally in the Kingdoms of the West-Saxons East-Saxons South-Saxons and that of Kent And thirdly Mercen-lage extending over all the Provinces of the Kingdome of Mercia As for the Britans of Cornwall and Cumberland they had no distinct Law for themselves as had those of Wales but were governed by the Laws of that Nation unto which they were Subject By these three sorts of Laws were these Nations governed in their several and respective limits which being afterwards reduced into one body and made common equally to all the subjects did worthily deserve the name of the Common-Law But secondly I dare not give the honour of this Action to King Edward the Confessor The great Iustinian in this work was another Edward called for distinctions sake King Edward the elder who began his Reign Anno 900. almost 150 years before this Confessor to whom our Author hath ascribed it But the truth is that these Laws being suppressed by the Danish Kings who governed either in an arbitrary way or by Laws of their own Countrey they were revived and reinforced in the time of this Edward from whence they had the name of Edward the Confessors Laws and by that name were sued and fought for in the time succeeding of which more hereafter Now as this work may be ascribed to his love to Justice so from his piety his successors derive as great a benefit of curing the disease which from thence is called the Kings-Evill which some impute as our Author tells us to secret and hidden causes Fuller This long Note might well have been boiled down from a Gallon to a Gil to make it more cordial If the Reader can pick any information out of it much good may it doe him Let the honour of so good a Deed with all my heart be parted betwixt the two Edwards one the Beginner the other the finisher thereof Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 145. Others ascribe it to the power of fancy and an exalted imagination Amongst which others I may reckon our Author for one He had not else so strongly pleaded in defence thereof But certainly what effect soever the strength of fancy and an exalted imagination as our Author calls it may produce in those of riper years it can contribute nothing to the cure of children And I have seen some children brought before the King by the hanging sleeves some hanging at their Mothers breasts and others in the arms of their Nurses all touch'd and cur'd without the help of any such fancies or imaginations as our Author speaks of Fuller If I be reckoned amongst them I am mis-reckoned for though I conceive fancy may much conduce in Adultis thereunto yet I believe it partly Miraculous as may appear by my last and largest insisting thereon I say partly because a compleat Miracle is done presently and perfectly whereas this cure is generally advanced by Degrees and some Dayes interposed Dr. Heylin Others lesse charitably condemn this cure as guilty of
unto Phaleg the son of Heber and to his Posterity because not present with the rest at the bullding of Babel and consequently not within the curse of confounded Languages But against this it is disputed first that it is but a Tradition and therefore of no sure foundation to build upon Fuller Before we come to the serious examination of the point in hand I would sain be satisfied what means this marginal note Heylins Cosmographie page 19. What Doth he alledge himself to prove his own opinion my bad Heraldry was never guilty of such a fault metal upon metal Now that the Hebrew was the common Tongue of the world before the Confusion at Babel is more than a meer Tradition being backâ— with many Authorities and unanswerable Arguments Of Authorities we begin with St. Hierom one who is many Authors in this Point because of his great and general skil in Languages and who in his Comment on Zephany chapt 3.18 affirmeth Linguam Hebraicam omnium Linguarum esse Matricem that the Hebrew is the Mother of all Languages St. Augustine lib. 10. cap. 1 de Civitate Dei Quae prius humano generi non immerito creditur esse communis ideo deinceps Hebreae est nuncupata To these I will add a Iury of publike Professors all of Eminent note since the reviving of Languages in the Western world 1. Mercerus Professor Parisiensis Regis in Gen. 11. 1. 2. D. Pareus Prof. Heidelberg in eundum locum 3. Rivetus Prof. Leiden Isay c. 4. 4. Crinesius Prof. Aldorphini Noricor de confusione Linguarum pag. 4.17 5. Ioh. Buxtorfius senior in Epist. ded Thesauri Grammat 6. Ioh. Buxtorfius junior Prof. Basil. de origine Primigeniae Lingua in 410. 7. Glassius Prof. Ienae lib. 4. tract 3. de nomine proprio pag. 775. 8. Polyander Prof. Leid Orat. 18. in laudem linguae Hebraae pag. 296 297. 9. Tremellius Profess Heb. Linguae Cantabrigia 10. Fr. Iunius Prof. Heidelberg in Gen. 11.1 Urbis iisdem c. 11. Whitakerus Prof. Cantab. Controv 1. quaest 2. de script 12. Christ. Beckman de prop. voc significatione pag. 30. These Authorities are seconded with convincing Arguments Not to insist on some Ruines and Reliques of Hebrew scattered in all ancient Languages and therefore Io. Scaliger hath his last as surest recourse to it in his Quest after the originaiion of Words Names imposed on Persons before the Confusion of Tongues are by the Spirit in Scripture the best Interpreter made to speak pure Hebrew Not to instance in Adam notoriously known for red Earth we take notice of 1. Eve or Chavah so called by her husband Because she was the Mother of all living and there is life enough in her Name to justifie it 2. Cain so called by his Mother rejoycing that she had gotten a Man and the word signifieth a Possession though therein She with many other parents abused by their own over-affection promised her self more happiness than was performed 3. SETH so named by his mother for God said she hath APPOINTED me another seed c. and signifieth one put placed or constituted 4. Noah so named by his Father because this son said he shall comfort us c. as the word doth import 5. Peleg the son of Heber may be presumed born at or immediatly after the divisions of the World into Languages and Colonies and brooks division in his name It is not to be expected that all the whole sentence spoken by their parents should be completely contained in their name but onely that the most operative emphatical and expressive word should appear therein I am not ignorant that Goropius Becanus in his Book which is rather smiled at for the wit than approved for the judgement therein deriveth all words from the German or Dutch Tongue An handsome and prety Essay but I believe that the Animadvertor is not of his opinion It is one thing here and there to take a name and to make it countenance such a sense and another thing to charge through and through so as all names may be demonstrated Hebrew in persons born before the confusion of Babel How vain would He prove himself who from the name of AHIMAN one of the giant sons of Anak and from some correspondency of height in our Language would thence infer that English was the ancient Tongue spoken in the Land of Canaan But I have stayed too long on this discourse and refer the rest unto Doctor Brian Walton who in his Preface unto the last and very laborious and judicious Edition of the Hebrew and many-languag'd Bible hath no lesse learnedly than copiously handled this Subject Dr. Heylin And secondly that it is such a Tradition as holds no good coherence with the truth of Story it being a most clear and demonstrative truth that the Hebrew tongue was not the Language which Abraham brought with him out of Chaldea and Mesopotamia but that which he found spoken in the Land of Canaan at his coming thither to which both he and his posterity did conform themselves Or had it been the Language of Heber as they say it was but most undoubtedly was not yet thirdly had this been a priviledge conferred on Heber that he and his posterity should speak the Original Language without alteration or corruption it must have been extended to all those of the house of Iocktan which descend from him as also to the house of Laban in Padan-Aram and to the Moabites and the Ammonites as the seed of Lot and finally to the Madianites Ishmaelites and Idumaeans descended of Abraham and Esau and not be limited and confined onely to the House of Iacob Now that the language which afterwards was and still is called by the name of the Hebrew was spoken vulgarly in the Land of Canaan before the coming of Abraham thither is not affirmed by Brerewood onely but by Scaliger Grotius Vossius Bochartus all of them men of great renown for their learned studies and by many others of this age By most of which it is affirmed also that the name of Hebrews was given unto them by the people of Canaan not in regard of their descent from Heber the father of Phaleg but from Abrahams passing over the River Euphrates when he came out of Chaldaea with his Family to dwell amongst them that name in the Canaanitish language signifying as much as trajiciens or transfluvialis and therefore not unfitly given by them to Abraham at his first coming thiâ—her And if the Hebrew as we now call it was that Holy Language which was spoken in Paradise continued by the Patriarchs before the Flood and after to the building of Babel it must needs seem infinitely strange that it should be reserv'd onely amongst the Canaanites accursed in the person of Canaan their common Parent by his Grandfather Noah and so abominated by God for their filthy wickednesses that he resolv'd to spew them out of their Native Country as in fine he did Or
stiled OUR Catalogues of Honour But more exact Heralds whom it concerns to be skilful in their own Profession do otherwise account them Dr. Heylyn No Richard Duke of York to be found amongst them his Father Richard of Konisburgh having lost that Title by Attainder which never was restored to Richard his Son though most improvidently advanced to the Dukedom of York nor unto any other of that Line and Family Fuller I admire at the Animadvertor's peremptoriness in this point when the no less learned but more modest Mr. Camden speaking of these Earls in the Description of Cambridge-shire saith that after the death of Richard of Conisburgh The Title of the Earl of Cambridge either wholly vanished with him or else lay hid amongst the Titles of Richard his Son who was restored Duke of York as Kinsman and Heir to his Uncle Edward Duke of York What he warily said laid hid is found out by such as since wrote on that Subject Mr. Brooke York Herald and Mr. Augustine Vincent in effect Mr. Camden revised who writing Corrections on Brooke concurreth with him in this particular for Richard of Edward's Brother was after created Earl of that place Cambridge and after him another Richard who was Richard of Conisburgh's Son See Reader what an Adversary I have gotten who careth not to write against the most evident and avowed Truths so be it he may write something against Me. Dr. Heylyn 4. Proceed we in the next place to Verses and old ends of Poetry scattered and dispersed in all parts of the History from one end to the other for which he hath no precedent in any Historian Greek or Latine or any of the National Histories of these latter times The Histories of Herodotus Xenophon Thucidides and Plutarch amongst the Greeks of Caesar Livy Salust Tacitus and Suetonius amongst the Latines afford him neither warrant nor example for it The like may be affirmed of Eusebius Socrates Sozomen Theodoret Ruffin and Evagrius Church-Historians all though they had all the best choice and the most excellent Poets of the world to befriend them in it And he that shall consult the Historyes of succeeding times through all the Ages of the Church to this present day will find them all as barren of any incouragements in this kind as the ancients were Fuller Never had Herodotus given his Nine Books the names of the Nine Muses if such was his Abstemiousness from Poetry Not one of them which is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in this kind and there are found in Clio the first no fewer than thirty Verses of the Oracles of Pythia As those his Books are fruitful so his Book of the Life of Homer hath a superfetation of them so that if Paose be the Warp Verses are the Woof thereof Whereas the Animadvertor instances in Plutarch open at the life of Theseus and we are presented with Poetry therein But grant no precedent in this nature in these Authors A more free Genius acteth in modern than in ancient Historians manumissed from the Servilities they were tied or tied themselves unto The Animadvertor like another Empson endevoureth to revive the Penal Statutes of History against me so to subject me to fine for the breach thereof which Time in effect hath cancelled Qui Scribit Historicè scribit miserè if enslaved to all puntillo's thereof Let the Animadvertor keep those Steel-bodys for his own wearing and not force them on me What not a Plait or a Ruffle more or less but all must be done in Number Waight and Measure according to Historicall criticisme This is not putting the Book but the Author himself into the Press Tacitus himself here instanced in would be Tacitus indeed if all Politick Sentences and prudential results were deleted in him being trespasses on the preciseness of History confined to matter of Fact But well-fare that Historian who will go out of his own way to direct his Reader We know Pliny Solinus c. in their Topographical description of Countreys are barren of verses Let the Animadvertor on the same account therefore charge Mr. Camden for surcharging his Britannia with Poetry having but three verseless Shires viz. Dorset Bucks and Westmerland in all England and more than fourscore verses apeece in the three severall Counties of Berks Oxford and Somerset Dr. Heylyn Nay whereas Bishop Godwin in his Annals gives us an Epitaph of two Verses only made on Queen Iane Seymour and afterwards a Copy of eighteen verses on the Martyrdome of Arch-Bishop Cranmer he ushers in the last with this short Apology Contra morem Historiae liceat quaeso inserère c. Let me saith he I beseech you insert these following verses though otherwise against the Rule and Laws of History Fuller What if that worthy Prelate was pleased to pass a Complement on his Reader it followeth not that they do want Civility who have less Courtship in this Point than he hath Let us look on his Catalogue of Bishops which hath more vicinity with my Subject and there we shall find the Bulk of the Book considered more verses in proportion than in my Church-History on the token that where I cite but four he quoteth fourteen out of Martial to prove Claudia Ruffina a Britan and a Christian. Dr. Heylyn But what alas were eighteen or twenty verses compared with those many hundred six or seven hundred at the least which we find in our Author whether to shew the universality of his reading in all kind of Writers or his faculty in Translating which when he meets with hard Copies he knows how to spare I shall not determine at the present Fuller If peeces of verses be counted whole ones which in this point is no Charitable Synecdoche and if Translations be reckoned distinct Verses though it is hard that a Man and his Shadow should be accounted two different persons And if the verses in the History of Cambridge be adjected though he who banisheth Poetry out of an University will find Iambicks enough to pay him for his pains And if the verses in the History of Waltham-Abby be cast in though who shall hinder but I will describe my own Parish in Prose or Poetry as I think fit all put together will not amount to the number Besides many of my verses may be said to be Prose in Effect as containing the Religion of that Age and therefore alledged as Evidence thereof before the Norman Conquest and no authority can in Prose be produced which doth so fully and cleerly represent the same Other Verses are generally Epitaphs on some eminent Church-men which could not well be omitted Dr. Heylyn Certain I am that by the interlarding of his Prose with so many Verses he makes his Book look rather like a Church-Romance our late Romancers being much given to such kind of mixtures than a well-built Ecclesiastical History And if it be a matter so inconvenient to put a new peice of cloth on an old garment the putting of so many old patches on a
humbly desiring your Grace as the same hath heretofore so from henceforth to shew your Graces minde and opinion unto us what your high Wisdome shall think convenient which we shall most gladly hear and follow if it shall please God to inspire us so to doe with all submission and humility beseech the same following the steps of of your most Noble Progenitors and conformably to your our own Acts doe maintain and defend such Laws and Ordinances as we according to our calling and by Authority of God shall for his honour make to the edification of vertue and maintaining Christs faith of which your Highnesse is named Defender and hath been hitherto indeed a special Protector Furthermore whereas your said Lay Subjects say that sundry of the said Laws extend in certain causes to your excellent Person your Liberty and Prerogative Royal and to the interdiction of your Land and Possessions To this your said Orators say that having submitted the tryal and examining of the Laws made in the Church by us and our Predecessors to the just and straight Rule of Gods Laws which giveth measure of Power Prerogative and Authority to all Emperors Kings Princes and Potentates and all other we have conceiv'd such opinion and have such estimation of your Majesties goodnesse and vertue that whatsoever any persons not so well learned as your Grace is would pretend unto the same whereby we your most humble Subjects may be brought in your Graces displeasure and indignation surmising that we should by usurpation and presumption extend our Laws to your most noble Person Prerogative and Realm yet the same your Highnesse being so highly learn'd will of your own most bounteous goodnesse facilly discharge and deliver us from that envy when it shall appear that the said Laws are made by us or out Predecessors conformable and maintainable by the Scripture of God and determination of the Church against which no Laws can stand or take effect Somewhat to this purpose had been before endeavoured by the Commons in the last Parliament of King Edw. 3. of which because they got nothing by it but only the shewing of their teeth without hurting any body I shall lay nothing in this place reserving it to the time of the long Parliament in the Reign of King Charles when this point was more hotly followed and more powerfully prosecuted than ever formerly What sayes our Author unto this Findes he here any such matter as that the Laity at their pleasure could limit the Canons of the Church Or that such Canons in whatsoever touched temporals were subject unto secular Laws and National Customes And here of I desire the Reader to take special notice as that which is to serve for a Catholicon or general Antidote against those many venomous insinuations which he shall meet with up and down in the course of this History As for the case in which our Author grounds this pestilent Position it was the Canon made in a Synod at Westminster in the time of Anselm Anno 1102. prohibiting the sale of men and women like brute beasts in the open Market Which Canon not finding presently an universal obedience over all the Kingdome as certainly ill customes are not easily left when they are countenanced by profit occasioned our Author to adventure upon this bold assertion Fuller I conceived it uncivil to interrupt the Animadvertor in his long discourse until he had ended it and now professe I know not how it maketh in opposition to what I said and heartily wish that the Reader may understand it better than I doe It cannot be denyed but that the Clergy did claim and challenge a power and sometimes de facto executed it over the temporal Estates of the Laâ—ty for I behold the Clergy more bound because binding themselves by their representatives unto their Canons yet they never peaceably injoyed their Power as constantly checkt and controled by the Laws of the Land in such things wherein the Temporal Estate Life and Limb of Persons were concerned We have an eminent instance hereof in the Canon occasioning this discourse Anselme makes a Constitution and that indeed charitable and Christian against the sale of men and women like brute beasts in the open market place Now such persons sold slaves and Vassals as I understand it being the Goods and Chattels of their Masters the proprietaries and owners of their Bodies they would not part with their right in obedience to the Canon Suppose a Convocation some thirty years agoe should have made a Canon without any confirmation from Parliament That no Merchant living in England should by his Factors sell any Negroes or Blacks in the Barbadoes which formerly he had bought in Guinnie it would not oblige to the observation thereof because in such matters wherein propertie was concerned the Canon must say to the Common-Law By your leave Sir I have writen nothing in this point buâ— what I have a good Author for And seeing the Animadvertor in his Geography hath been pleased to tell a passage betwixt him and his fathers man let me relate another wherein my self was concerned knowing it to be as true and hoping it to be as well applyed Some three years since walking on the Lords day into the Park at Copthall the third son a child in coats of the Earl of Dorset desired to goe with me whereof I was unwilling fearing he should straggle from me whilest I meditated on my Sermon And when I told him that if he went with me he would lose himself he returned Then you must lose your self first for I will goe with you This rule I alwayes observe when medling with matters of Law because I my self am a child therein I will ever goe with a man in that faculty such as is most eminent in his profession à cujus latere non discedam so that if he lose me he shall first lose himself as hereafter when we grapple together in this Controversie will appear As for this particular case for I will engage no further for the present this Canon did not dispossesse Masters of their property in their Vassals and no meaner than Mr. Selden is my conductor herein stiled hereafter by the Animadvertor 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that renowned Humanitian and Philologer Yea I entred my Author in the Margin had the Animadvertor been pleased to take notice thereof Spiceleg ad Edmerium page two hundred and eight Neque sane Canon hic aut alia apud nos lata Lex id juris hactenus adeo refixit quin in Iurisconsultorum nostratium Commentariis passim Legibus quibus utimur consonum agnoscatur Neither truly this Canon or any other Law made amongst us hath hitherto unfastened this right but that in the Comments or Reports of our Common Lawyers it is acknowledged consonant to those Laws which we use And though in processe of Time first conscientious then all Masters laudibly submitted themselves to this Canon forbearing such sales yet were they not by
the Canon devested of the power of Doing it such vendition and emption being by the Common-Law preserved unto them though now very commendably long disused And whereas the Clergy in their Answer pretend all their Canons grounded on the Word of God I would fain be informed where they finde in the New-Testament which ought to regulate their proceedings that the power of the Church extendeth to life limb or estate Sure I am her censures appear spiritual on the soul by those expressions Binde on Earth Cast out Deliver to Satan c. But because the Reader reserveth a lager prosecution of this point for another time we will also respit our larger answer hereunto Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 24. Indeed 1. Davids had been Christian some hundred of years whilest Canterbury was yet Pagan Not many hundred years I am sure of that nor yet so many as to make a plural number by the Latin Grammer Kent being conquered by the Saxons who brought in Paganism Anno 455. Converted unto Christianity by the preaching of Austin Anno 569. Not much more than 140. years betwixt the one and the other Fuller The Christian Antiquity of St. David bare a double Date one native or inherent the other adopted and Reputative 1. The Inherent from the time that St. David fixed there on which account I believe it was no more than 140. years senior to Canterbury 2. The Reputative from the first founding of a Bishoprick at Carleon by King Lucius which indifferently stated was about the year of our Lord 169 which was four hundred years before Canterbury Now it is notoriously known that the antiquity of Carleon whence the See was removed in computation of the seniority is adjected to St. Davids her adopted Daughter Hence was it that the Abbot of Bancar in his Answer unto Austin acknowledged himself and his Convent under the Government of the Bishop of Carleon upon Uske though then no Bishop therein meaning St. Davids thereby as Dr. Hammond and others doe unanimously allow Thus grafting St. Davids as it ought on the Stock of Carleon it is senior in Christianity to Canterbury four hundred years and FOUR may be termed Some in the stricktest propriety of Language Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 29. To whose honour he viz. King Stephen erected St. Stephens Chappel in Westminster neer the place where lately the Court of Requests was kept Our Author is here mealy mouth'd and will not parler le tout as the French men say For otherwise he might have told us that this Chappel is still standing and since the surrendry of it to King Edward the sixth hath been used for a Parliament House imployed to that purpose by the Commons as it still continueth What might induce our Author to be thus reserved I can hardly tell unless it be to prevent such inferences and observations which by some wanton wits might be made upon it Fuller I hope rather some gracious hearts will make pious improvement thereupon praying to God that seeing so many signal persons are now assembled therein the very place once dedicated as a Chappel to St. Stephen may be their more effectual Remembrancer to imitate the purity and piety of that renowned Saint That so God may be invited graciously to be present amongst them to over-rule all their consultations to his Glory the Good of the Church and State and the true honour of the Nation And to this let every good man say Amen Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 40. By the same title from his Father Jeffery Plantagenet be possessed fair lands in Anjou and Maine I had thought he had possessed somewhat more in Anjou and Maine than some fair Lands onely his Father Ieffrey Plantagenet being the Proprietary Earl of Anjou Maine and Toureine not a titular onely succeeded in the same by this King Henry and his two sons Richard and Iohn till lost unhappily by the last with the rest of our Estates on that side of the Sea From this Ieffery descended fourteen Kings of the name of Plantagenet the name not yet extinguished though it be improverished Our Author speaking of one of them who was found not long since at the Plow Lib. 2. p. 170. Another of that name publishing a Book about the Plantation of New-Albion Anno 1646. or not long before Fuller The frequent and familiar figure of MOISIS will rectifie all wherby lesse is said than meant and therefore more must be understood than is said Besides it made me mince my expression being loath to exceed because this Ieffery did not to me appear though the Earl so intire in those Dominions but that the Kings of France and England had Cities and Castles interposed therein Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 53. King John sent a base degenerous and unchristian Embassage to Admitalius Mutmelius a Mahometan King of Morocco then very puissant and possessing a great part of Spain This Admiralius Murmelius as our Author and the old Monks call him was by his own name called Mahomet Enaser the Miramomoline of Morocco to whom if King Iohn sent any such Message it was as base unchristian and degenerate as our Author makes it Fuller I will ingenuously confesse that the first time I found this Story was in the Doctors Miâ—ro-cosm the novelty making me take the more notice thereof Though since I have met with it in M. Paris the fountain and other Authors the channels thereof I conceive it was as lawfull for me to relate it as for the Animadvertor who epitheis this Embassy BASE DEGENEROUS and UNCHRISTIAN the words which in me he reproveth Dr. Heylin But being the credit of the Tale depends upon the credit of the Monkish Authors to which brood of men that King was known to be a prosessed Enemy hating and hated by one another it is not to be esteemed so highly as a piece of Apocrypha and much lesse to be held for Gospel Fuller Here he rather speaks aliter than alia from what I had written on the same Subject who thus concluded the Character of King Iohn Church-Hist Book 3. pag. 54. We onely behold him Him thorough such a Light as the Friers his foes shew him in who so hold the candle that with the Shadow thereof they darken his virtues and present onely his Vices yea and as if they had also poysoned his memory they cause his faults to swell to a prodigious greatnesse making him with their pens more black in conditions than the Morocco King whose aid he requested could be in complexion Here I desire to give the Reader a â—aste of what doth frequently occur in this Book and of what I justly did complain viz. the Animadvertor sometimes not liking my language as not proper and expressive enough substituteth his own with little or no variation of matter I confesse he is not bound to use my words and such variations simply in it self is no wrong unto me but it becometh
principal Articles and main branches of it Fuller It is an hard question and yet perchance more dangerous than difficult to answer but the reason I dare alledge is this Even so Father because it pleased thee Let me add that such conscientious observers thereof which have proved unsuccessefull may esteem their losses as Sweet-Bryar and Holy-Thistle and more cordially comfort themselves in such sanctified afflictions than the Infringers of their Charter could content themselves in their successefull oppression I cannot part from this point till I have inserted that Sir Robert Cotton one who had in him as much of the Gentleman Antiquarie Lawyer good Subject and good Patriot as any in England was the Author in his short view of the long reign of King Henry the third who made the observation of those most successefull Kings by whom the Grand-Charter was most conscienciously observed Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 88. The poor Jews durst not goe into France whence lately they had been solemnly banished but generally disposed themselves in Germany and Italy The poor Iews are more beholding to our Author for his commiseration than the high Royalists as he cals them in the former passage But poor or rich they might have passed safely into France had they been so minded For though he tell us that they had been solemnly banished out of France before this time yet either such banishment was repealed or temporary only or as I rather think not so much as sentenced Certain I am our learned Brerewood upon a diligent enquiry hath found it otherwise than our Author doth letting us know That the first Countrey in Christendome whence the Jews were expelled without hope of return was our Countrey of England whence they were banished Anno 1290. by King Edward the first and not long after out of France Anno 1307. by Philippus Pulcher. Not out of France first out of England afterwards as our Author would have it Fuller I wonder any good Christians would be offended with me for pittying them by the name poor Iews If any High royalist as I fear there is too many be in low Estate would it were as well in my power to relieve as to pitty them Till when they shall have my prayers that God would give them patience and support them in their deepest distresse The Author will find that though the Great General and Final banishment of the Jews out of France was Anno 1307. under Philip the Fair yet formely there had been Edicts for their Exile thence Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 100. Thus men of yesterday have pride too much to remember what they were the day before An observation true enough but not well applyed The two Spencers whom he speaks this off were not men of yesterday or raised out of the dirt or dunghill to so great an height but of as old and known Nobility as the best in England insomuch that when a question grew in Parliament whether the Baronesse de Spencer or the Lord of Aburgaveny were to have precedency it was adjudg'd unto de Spencer thereby declar'd the ancientest Barony of the Kingdome at that time then being These two Hughâ—he â—he Father was created Earl of Winchester for term of life and Hugh the Son by marrying one of the Daughters and co-heirs of Gilbert de Clare became Earl of Glocester Men more to be commended for their Loyalty than accused for their pride but that the King was now declining and therefore it was held fit by the prevalent faction to take his two supporters from him as they after did Fuller The two Spencers fall under a double consideration and are beheld in History for their extraction either as Absolutely in themselves Comparatively with others Absolutely they were of honourable parentage and I believe the Elder might be born a Baron whose Baronry by the Heir general is still extant in Mildmay Fane Earl of Westmorland and from the younger House of a Male Heir the Lord Spencer of Wormelayton now Earl of Sunderland doth as I have seen in his Pedigree derive himself Comparatively So were they far inferiour to most of those great persons over whom they insulted being originally Earls and some of them of Royall extraction Again the Two Spencers may and ought by an Historian to be considered as to be 1. Commended for their Loyalty 2. Condemned for their Insolency On the first account they deserve just praise and it is probable enough that they finde the lesse Favour from some Pens for being so Faithfull to so unfortunate a Soveraigne The latter cannot be excused appearing too plain in all our Histories Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 113. The Lord Chancellor was ever a Bishop If our Author by this word ever understands 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 most commonly or for the most part he is right enough but then it will not stand with the following words viz. as if it had been against equity to imploy any other therein And on the other side if he take the word ever in its proper and more natural sense as if none but Bishops had ever been advanced unto that office he doth not onely misinform the Reader but confute himself he having told us fol. 31. of this present book that Thomas Becket being then but Archdeacon of Canterbury was made Lord Chancellor and that as soon as he was made Archbishop he resign'd that office But the truth is that not onely men in holy Orders but many of the Laity also had attained that dignity as will appear to any who will take the pains to consult the Catalogue of the Chancellors and Keepers of the Great Seal in the Glossary of Sir Henry Spelman in which appear not onely some of inferior dignity as Deans Archdeacons House-hold Chaplains but many also not dignified with any Ecclesiastical Title or Notification and therefore in all probability to be looked on as meer Lay-men Counsellors and Servants to the Kings in whose times they lived or otherwise studied in the Laws and of good affections and consequently capable of the place of such trust and power Fuller May the Reader take notice that this complaint was made by the Commons in the 11th of Edward the 3d Anno 1336. Now Ever I here restrain to the oldest man alive then present in Parliament who could not distinctly remember the contrary from the first of King Edward the first who began his Reign 1272. so that for full 64. years an uninterrupted series of Bishops except possibly one put in pro tempore for a moneth or two possessed the place of Chancellors This complaint of the Commons occasioned that the King some three years after viz. in the fifteenth year of his reign conferred the Chancellors place on a Layman But it was not long before things returned to the old channel of Clergy-men and so generally for many years continued with some few and short interpositions of Lay-men Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 116. This year viz. 1350.
was made Knight of the Bath at the Coronation of King Iames Anno 1603. and afterwards created Lord Montague of Boughton in the nineteenth year of that King Anno 1621. which honourable Title is now enjoyed by his Son another Edward Anno 1658. And thirdly though I grant that Dr. Iames Montague Bishop of Winchester the second Brother of the four was of great power and favour in the time of King Iames. Thus far Dr. Heylin out of his Advertisements written in correction of Mr. Sandersons History of the Reign of King Iames. To rectifie this heap of Errors not to be paralleled in any Author pretending to the emendation of another I have here plainly set down the Male-pedegree of this Noble Numerous and successfull Family 1 Sir Edward Montague Lord Chief Justice in the Reign of King Henry the eighth 2 Sir Edward Montague a worthy Patriot in the Reign of Queen Elizabeth Sir Walter Montague Knight second Son died without Issue Sir Henry Montague third Son Earl of Manchester Lord Chief Justice Lord Treasurer c. Edw. Montague now Earl of Manchester besides other Sons 3 Sir Edward Montague made Knight of the Bath at the Coronation of King Iames never a Martialist and created by Him Baron Montague of Boughton dying in the beginning of the Civill Warres William Mountague Esq of the Middle-Temple second Son 4 Edward now Lord Montague of Boughton Ralfe Montague Esq second Son Edward Montague Esq eldest Son Christopher Montague third Son died before his Father being a most hopefull Gentleman Sir Charles Montague fourth Son who did good service in Ireland and left three Daughters and Co-heirs Iames Montague fifth Son Bishop of Winchester died unmarried Sir Sidney Montague sixth Son Master of the Requests Edward Montague now Admirall and one of the Lords of the Councel I presume the Animadvertor will allow me exact in this Family which hath reflected so fauourably upon me that I desire and indeed deserve to live no longer than whilest I acknowledg the same THE FOURTH BOOK From the first preaching of Wickliffe to the beginning of the Reign of King Henry the eighth Dr. Heylin OUR Author begins this Book with the Story of Wickliffe and continueth it in relating the successes of him and his followers to which he seems so much addicted as to Christen their Opinions by the name of the Gospel For speaking of such incouragements and helps as were given to Wickliffe by the Duke of Lancaster with other advantages which the conditions of those times did afford unto him he addeth That Fol. 129. We must attribute the main to Divine Providence blessing the Gospel A name too high to be bestowed upon the Fancies of a private man many of whose Opinions were so far from truth so contrary to peace and civil Order so inconsistent with the Government of the Church of Christ as make them utterly unworthy to be look'd on as a part of the Gospel Or if the Doctrines of Wickliffe must be call'd the Gospel what shall become of the Religion then establisht in the Realm of England and in most other parts of the Western World Were all but Wickliffes Followers relaps'd to Heathenism were they turn'd Jews or had imbrac'd the Law of Mahomet If none of these and that they still continued in the faith of Christ delivered to them in the Gospels of the four Evangelists and other Apostolicall Writers Wickliffes new Doctrines could not challenge the name of Gospel noâ— ought it to be given to him by the Pen of any But such is the humor of some men as to call every separation from the Church of Rome by the name of Gospel the greater the separation is the more pure the Gospel No name but that of Evangelici would content the Germans when they first separated from that Church and reformed their own And Harry Nichols when he separated from the German Churches and became the Father of Familists bestows the name of Evangelium Regni on his Dreams and Dotages Gospels of this kinde we have had and may have too many quot Capita tâ—t Fides as many Gospels in a manner as Sects and Sectaries if this world goe on Now as Wickliffes Doctrines are advanc'd to the name of Gospel so his Followers whatsoever they were must be called Gods servants the Bishops being said fol. 151. to be busie in persecuting Gods servants and for what crime soever they were brought to punishment it must be thought they suffered onely for the Gospel and the service of God A pregnant evidence whereof we have in the story of Sir Iohn Oldcastle accused in the time of King Harry the fifth for a design to kill the King and his Brethren actually in Arms against that King in the head of 20000 men attainted for the same in open Parliament and condemn'd to die and executed in St. Giles his Fields accordingly as both Sir Roger Acton his principal Counsellor and 37 of his Accomplices had been before For this we have not onely the Authority of our common Chronicles Walsingham Stow and many others but the Records of the Tower and Acts of Parliament as is confessed by our Author fol. 168. Yet coming out of Wickliffes Schools and the chief Scholar questionlesse which was train'd up in them he must be Registred for a Martyr in Fox his Calendar And though our Author dares not quit him as he sayes himself yet such is his tendernesse and respect to Wickliffes Gospel that he is loath to load his Memory with causlesse Crimes fol. 167. taxeth the Clergie of that time for their hatred to him discrediteth the relation of T. Walsingham and all later Authors who are affirm'd to follow him as the Flock their Belweather and finally leaves it as a special verdict to the last day of the Revelation of the righteous Iudgements of God Fuller First I fain would know whether the Animadvertor would be contented with the Condition of the Church of England as Wickliffe found it for Opinions and Practise and doth not earnestly desire a Reformation thereof I am charitably confident that He doth desire such an Emendation and therefore being both of us agreed in this Point of the convenience yea necessity thereof in the second place I would as fain be satisfied from the Animadvertor whether He conceived it possible that such Reformation could be advanced without Miracle all on a sodain so that many grosse Errors would not continue and some new one be superadded The man in the Gospel first saw men walking as trees before he saw perfectly Nature hath appointed the Twilight as a Bridge to passe us out of Night into Day Such false and wild opinions like the Scales which fell down from the Eyes of St. Paul when perfectly restored to his sight have either vanished or been banished out of all Protestant Confession Far be it from me to account the rest of England relapsed into Atheism or lapsed in Iudaism Turcism c. whom I behold as Erronious Christians
at this present Fuller It is a sad Truth which the Animadvertor sayeth And here I cannot but remember David his expression when flying from Absalom If I shall find favour in the Eyes of the Lord he will bring me again But if he say I have no delight in thee behold here I am c. If it be coâ—sistent with the good will and pleasure of God in due time he will Boy up again the sunk credit of the Clergy if not all must submit to him whose wayes are often above reason never against right Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 156. Yea this very Statute which gave power to a Bishop in his Diocess to condemn an Heretick plainly proveth that the King by consent of Parliament directed the proceedings of the Ecclesiastical Court in Cases of Heresie The Bishops and Clergy in their Convocations had anciently the power of declaring Heresie the Bishops singly in their Consistories to proceed against them by injoyning penance and recantation or otherwise to subject them to Excommunication The Statute which our Author speaks of being 2 H. 4. c. 15. proceedeth further and ordain'd in favour of the Church that the Ordinary might not onely convent but imprison the party suspected of Heresie and that the party so convented and convicted of Heresie and continuing obstinate in the same should upon a certificate thereof made and delivered to the Secular Judge be publickly burned before the People In order whereunto as in a matter which concern'd the life of a Subject the King with the advice of his Parliament might lay down some rules for the regulating the proceedings of the Bishops and other Ordinaries Fuller There be two distinct things which in this Point must be severally considered 1. To declare and define what shall be accounted Heresie 2. To condemne to Death a declared Heretick The Power of the former was in this Age fixed in the Bishops without any competition and is so clear none can question it Yea by the same Power they might proceed against a declared Heretick without any leave or liceence from King or Parliament so far as Church-Censures Suspensions Excommunications c. could extend But as for the latter to condemn them to Death herein the Common-Law began where the Cannon Law ended and regulated their proceedings accordingly Dr. Heylin But certainly it is a sorry piece of Logick to conclude from hence that generally in all cases of Heresie the King with advice of his Parliament directed the proceedings of the Ecclesiastical Courts A piece of Logick shall I call it or a Fallacy rather a Fallacy à dâ—cto secundum quid ad dictum simpliciter committed commonly when from a proposition which is true onely in some respect with reference to time place and other circumstances the Sophister inferreth something as if simply true though in it self it be most absolutely false As for example The Pope even in matters of spiritual cognisance for so it followeth in our Author had no power over the life 's of the English Subjects and therefore had then no power to proceed against them in point of Heresie Fuller I intended not nor have I abused the Reader with any fallacious argumentation It is true 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the King and Parliament directed the proceedings of the Ecclesiastical Court in cases of Heresie I mean not to decide which were Heresies but to order the Power of the Bishop over declared Hereticks without the direction of the Statute not to proceed to Limb and Life And I believe my words will be found transcribed out of Sir Edward Coke his most elaborate Report of the Kings power in Ecclesiastical matters Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 161. Henry the seventh born in the Bowels of Wales at Pembroke c. some years after plucked down the Partition Wall betwixt them Neither so nor so For first Pembroke doth not stand in the Bowels of Wales but almost on the outside of it as being situate on one of the Creeks of Milford-Haven Fuller Pembroke though verging to the Sea may properly be called in the Bowels of Wales beholding the Marches next England as the outward Skin thereof Bowels are known to the Latines by the name of Penetralia à penetrando one must pierce and passe so farre from the outward skin before one can come at them So is Pembroke placed in the very Penetrals of Wales seeing the Travailer must goe six-score miles from England before he can come thither Dr. Heylin And secondly King Henry the seventh did not break down the Partition Wall between Wales and England That was a work reserved for King Harry the eighth in the 27. of whose Reign there past an Act of Parliament by which it was enacted That the Country of Wales should be stand and continue for ever from thenceforth incorporated united and annexed to and with this Realm of England And that all and singular person and persons born and to be born in the said Principality Country or Dominion of Wales shall have enjoy and inherit all and singular Freedoms Liberties Rights Priviledges and Laws within this Realm and other the Kings Dominions as other the Kings Subjects naturally born within the same have and injoy and inherit And thirdly between the time which our Author speaks of being the 14 year of King Henry the fourth and the making of this Act by King Henry the eighth there passed above an hundred and twenty years which intimates a longer time than some years after as our Author words it Fuller Far be it from me to set variance betwixt Father and Son and to make a Partition Wall betwixt them which of them first did break down the Partition Wall betwixt Wales and England The intentions of King Henry the seventh were executed by King Henry the eighth and all shall be reformed in my Book accordingly Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 168. I will not complain of the dearnesse of this Universitie where seventeen weeks cost me more than seventeen years in Cambridge even all that I had The ordinary and unwary Reader might collect from hence that Oxford is a chargeable place and that all commodities there are exceeding dear but that our Author lets him know that it was on some occasion of disturbance Fuller He must be a very Ordinary and unwary Reader indeed or an Extraordinary one if you please of no common weakness or willfulnesse so to understand my words which plainly expound themselves Dr. Heylin By which it seems our Author doth relate to the time of the War when men from all parts did repair to Oxford not as a University but a place of safety and the seat Royal of the King at which time notwithstanding all provisions were so plentifull and at such cheap rates as no man had reason to complain of the dearnesse of them No better argument of the fertility of the soil and richnesse of the Country in which Oxford standeth than that the Markets were not raised on
King Henry the fifth Fuller This being allowed as indeed it is but a Pen-slip who is more faulty the Author in the cursorily committing or the Animadvertor in the deliberate censuring thereof Dr. Heylin But I cannot think so charitably of som other errors of this kind which I finde in his History of Cambridge fol. 67. Where amongst the English Dukes which carried the title of Earl of Cambridge he reckoneth Edmond of Langly fift son to Edward the third Edward his son Richard Duke of York his brother father to King Edward the fourth But first this Richard whom he speaks of though he were Earl of Cambridge by the consent of Edward his elder brother yet was he never Duke oâ— York Richard being executed at South-hampton for treason against King Harry the fifth before that Kings going into France and Edward his elder brother slain not long after in the Battail of Agincourt And secondly this Richard was not the Father but Grandfather of King Edward the fourth For being married unto Anne sister and heir unto Edmond Mortimer Earl of March he had by her a sonne called Richard improvidently restored in blood and advanced unto the Title of Duke of York by King Henry the sixth Anno 1426. Who by the Lady Cecely his wife one of the many Dâ—ughters of Ralph Earl of Westmerland was father of King Edward the fourth George Duke of Clarence and King Richard the third Thirdly as Richard Eâ—rl of Cambridge was not Duke of York so Richard Duke of York was not Earl of Cambridge though by our Author made the last Earle thereof Hist. of Cam. 162. before the restoring of that title on the House of the Hamiltons Fuller This hath formerly been answered at large in the Introduction wherein it plainly appeares that the last Richard was Duke of York and Earle of Cambridge though I confesse it is questionable whether his Father were Duke of York However it doth my work viz. That the Earldome of Cambridge was alwayes the first alone excepted conferred on either a forreign Prince or an English Peer of the Blood-royall an honour not communicated to any other Peere in England Dr. Heylin If our Author be no better at a pedegree in private Families then he is in those of Kings and Princes I shall not give him much for his Art of memory for his History lesse and for his Heraldry just nothing Fuller When I intend to expose them to sale I know where to meet with a francker Chapman None alive ever heard me pretend to the Art of memory who in my booke have decried it as a Trick no Art and indeed is more of fancy than memory I confesse some ten years since when I came out of the Pulpit of St. Dunstons-East One who since wrote a book thereof told me in the Vestry before credible people That he in Sydney Colledge had taught me the Art of memory I returned unto him that it was not so for I could not remember that I had ever seen his face which I conceive was a reall Refutation However seeing that a natural memory is the best flower in mine and not the worst in the Animadvertors garden Let us turn our competitions herein unto mutuall thinkfulnesse to the God of heaven Dr. Heylin But I see our Author is as good at the succession of Bishops as in that of Princes For saith he speaking of Cardinal Beaufort Fol. 185. He built the fair Hospital of St. Cross neere Winchester and although Chancellor of the Univesity of Oxford was no grand benefactor thereunto as were his Predecessors Wickam and Wainfleet Wickham and Wainfleet are here made the Predecessors of Cardinal Beaufort in the See of Winchester whereas in very deed though he succeeded Wickham in that Bishoprick he preceded Wainfleet For in the Catalogue of the Bishops of Winchester they are marshulled thus viz. 1365. 50. William of Wickham 1405. 51. Henry Beaufort 1447. 52. William de Wainfleet which last continued Bishop till the year 1485 the See being kept by these three Bishops above 120. years and thereby giving them great Advantages of doing those excellent works and founding those famous Colleges which our Author rightly hath ascribed to the first and last But whereas our Author â—elleth us also of this Cardinal Beaufort that he built the Hospital of St. Crosse he is as much out in that as he was in the other that Hospital being first built by Henry of Blais Brother of King Stephen and Bishop of Winchester Auno 1129. augmented onely and perhaps more liberally endowed by this Potent Cardinal From these Foundations made and enlarged by these three great Bishops of Winchester successively proceed we to two others raised by King Henry the sixth of which our Author telleth us Fuller What a peice of DON QUIXOTISME is this for the Animadvertor to fight in confutation of that which was formerly confessed These words being thus fairly entred in the Table of Errataes Book pag. line 4. 185. 22. read it thus of his Predecessor Wickham or Successor Wainfleet Faults thus fairly confessed are presumed fully forgiven and faults thus fully forgiven have their guilt returning no more In the Court Christian such might have been sued who upbraided their Neighbours for incontinence after they formerly had performed publique penance for the same And I hope the Reader will allow me Reparation from the Animadvertor for a fault so causlesly taxed after it was so clearly acknowledged and amended Dr. Heylin Our Author proceeds Fol. 183. This good precedent of the Archbishops bounty that is to say the foundation of All-souls Colledge by Archbishop Chicheley may be presumed a spur to the speed of the Kings liberality who soon after founded Eaton Colledge c. to be a Nursery to Kings Colledge in Cambridge fol. 184. Of Eaton Colledge and the condition of the same our Author hath spoken here at large but we must look for the foundation of Kings Colledge in the History of Cambridge fol. 77. where I finde something which requireth an Animadversion Our Author there chargeth Dr. Heylin for avowing something which he cannot justifie that is to say for saying That when William of Wainfleet Bishop of Winchester afterwards founder of Magdalen Colledge perswaded King Henry the Sixth to erect some Monument for Learning in Oxford the King returned Imo potius Cantabrigiae ut duas si fieri possit in Anglia Academias habeam Yea rather said he at Cambridge that if it be possible I may have two Universities in England As if Cambridge were not reputed one before the founding of Kings Colledge therein But here the premisses onely are the Doctors the inference or conclusion is our Authors own The Doctor infers not thereupon that Cambridge was not reputed an University till the founding of Kings Colledge by King Henry the sixth and indeed he could not for he acknowledged before out of Robert de Renington that it was made an University in the time of King Edward the second All
that the Doctor sayes is this that as the University of Cambridge was of a later foundation then Oxford was so it was long before it grew into esteem that is to say to such a measure of esteem at home or abroad before the building of Kings Colledge and the rest that followed but that the King might use those words in his discourse with the Bishop of Winchester And for the Narrative the Doctor whom I have talked with in this businesse doth not shame to say that he borrowed it from that great Treasury of Academical Antiquities Mr. Brian Twine whose learned Works stand good against all Opponents and that he found the passage justified by Sir Isaack Wake in his Rex Platonicus Two Persons of too great wit and judgement to relate a matter of this nature on no better ground than common Table-talk and that too spoke in merriment by Sir Henry Savil. Assuredly Sir Henry Savil was too great a Zealot for that University and too much a friend to Mr. Wake who was Fellow of the same Colledge with him to have his Table-talk and discourses of merriment to be put upon Record as grounds and arguments for such men to build on in that weighty Controversie And therefore when our Author tells us what he was told by Mr. Hubbard Mr. Hubbard by Mr. Barlow Mr. Barlow by Mr. Bust and Mr. Bust by Sir Henry Savil. It brings into my minde the like Pedegree of as true a Story even that of Mother Miso in Sir Philip Sidney telling the young Ladies an old Tale which a good old woman told her which an old wise man told her which a great learned Clerk told him and gave it him in writing and there she had it in her Prayer-book as here our Author hath found this on the end of his Creed Not much unlike to which is that which I finde in the Poet Quae Phaebo Pater omnipotens mihi Phoebus Apollo Praedixâ—t vobis Furiarum ego maxima pando That is so say What Iove told Phoebus Phoebus told to me And I the chief of Furies tell to thee Fuller The controversie betwixt us consists about a pretended Speech of King Henry the sixth to Bishop Wainfleet perswading him to found a Colledge at Oxford To whom the King is said to return Yea rather at Cambridge that if it be possible I may have two Universities in England A passage pregnant with an Inference which delivereth it self without any Midwifry to help it viz. that till the time of King Henry the sixth Cambridge was no or but an obsâ—ure University both being equally untrue The Animadvertor will have the speech grounded on good Authority whilest I more than suspect to have been the frolick of the fancie of S. Isaack Wake citing my Author for my beliefe which because removed four descents is I confesse of the lesse validity Yet is it better to take a Truth from the tenth than a Falshood from the first hand Both our Relations ultimately terminate in Sir Isaack Wake by the Animadvertor confessed the first printed Reporter thereof I confess S. I. Wake needed none but Sr. Isaack Wake to attest the truth of such thing which he had heard or seen himself In such Case his bare Name commandeth credit with Posterity But relating a passage done at distance some years before his great Grandfather was rockt in his Cradle we may and must doe that right to our own Iudgement as civily to require of him security for what he affirmeth especially seeing it is so clog'd with such palpable improbabilitie Wherefore till this Knights invisible Author be brought forth into light I shall remain the more confirmed in my former Opinion Rex Platonicus alone sounding to me in this point no more than Plato's Commonwealth I mean a meer Wit work or Brain-Being without any other real existence in Nature Dr. Heylin But to proceed Fol. 190. This was that Nevil who for Extraction Estate Alliance Dependents Wisdome Valour Success and Popularity was superiour to any English Subject since the Conquest Our Author speaks this of that Richard Nevil who was first Earl of Warwick in right of Anne his Wife Sister Heir of Henry Beauchamp the last of that Family and after Earl of Salisbury by discent from his Father a potent and popular man indeed but yet not in all or in any of those respects to be match'd with Henry of Bullenbrook son to Iohn of Gaunt whom our Author must needs grant to have lived since the time of the Conquest Which Henry after the death of his Father was Duke of Lancaster and Hereford Earl of Leicester Lincoln and Darby c. and Lord High Steward of England Possessed by the donation of King Henry the third of the County Palatine of Lancaster the forfeited Estates of Simon de Montfort Earl of Leicester Robert de Ferrars Earl of Darby and Iohn Lord of Monmouth By the compact made between Thomas Earl of Lancaster and Alice his Wife of the Honor of Pomfret the whole Estate of the Earl of Lincoln and a great part of the Estates of the Earl of Salisbury of the goodly Territories of Ogmore and Kidwelly in Wales in right of his descent from the Chaworths of the Honor and Castle of Hartford by the grant of King Edward the third and of the Honor of Tickhill in Yorkshire by the donation of King Richard the second and finally of a Moity of the vast Estate of Humphry de Bohun Earl of Hereford Essex and Northampton in right of his Wife So royal in his Extraction that he was Grandchilde unto one King Cousin-german to another Father and Grand-father to two more So popular when a private person and that too in the life of his Father that he was able to raise and head an Army against Richard the Second with which he discomfited the Kings Forces under the command of the Duke of Ireland So fortunate in his Successes that he not onely had the better in the Battail mentioned but came off with Honor and Renown in the War of Africk and finally obtained the Crown of England And this I trow renders him much Superior to our Authors Nevil whom he exceeded also in this particular that he dyed in his bed and left his Estates unto his Son But having got the Crown by the murther of his Predecessor it stai'd but two descents in his Line being unfortunately lost by King Henry the sixth of whom being taken and imprisoned by those of the Yorkish Faction our Author telleth us Fuller It never came into my thoughts to extend the Parallel beyond the line of Subjection confining it to such as moved only in that Sphere living and dying in the Station of a Subject and thus far I am sure I am â—ight that this our Nevil was not equal'd much lesse exceeded by any English-man since the Conquest As for Henry Duke of Lancaster his Coronet was afterwards turned into a Crown and I never intended comparison with one who became a
as Authors generally agree King Edward instituted the Order of the Garter Right enough as unto the time but much mistaken in some things which relate unto that ancient and most noble Order our Author taking up his Commodities at the second hand neither consulting the Records nor dealing in this businesse with men of credit Fuller I am now come under the Roof of the Animadvertor who by the Laws of Hospitality is bound to treat me the more courteously I mean I am entred into a Subject wherein he is well seen and therefore might favourably connive at my small slips being therein best studied It is severely said that in this businesse I dealt with no men of credit The highest person next the Son of the King wearing a blew Ribbon was pleased so far to favour me as that from his own mouth I wrote the last sheet of my History his Grace endeavouring to be very exact in all particulars Dr. Heylin For first there are not fourteen Canons resident in the Church of Windsor but thirteen onely with the Dean it being King Edwards purpose when he founded that Order consisting of twenty six Knights himself being one to institute as many greater and lesser Canons and as many old Soldiers commonly called poor Knights to be pensioned there Though in this last the number was not made up to his first intention Fuller The mistake such an one as it is shall be amended in my next Edition Dr. Heylin He tells us secondly that if he be not mistaken as indeed he is Sir Thomas Row was the last Chanoellor of the Order Whereas Sir Iames Palmer one of the Gentlemen Huishers of the Privy Chamber succeeded him in the place of Chancellor after his decease Anno 1644. Fuller The Animadvertor is very discourteous to deny me the benefit of the Parenthesis If I be not mistaken The best Authors have their Ni fallor Si quid video Si bene intelligo and the like These are Grains allowed to all Pieces currant in payment Sir Thomas Roe was the last Chancellor who effectually officiated in his place Winsor before the year 1644. being a chief Garrison of the Parliament Tully calls a Consul chosen in the morning and put out before night a Vigilant Consul who never slept in all his Coâ—sulship But on another occasion one may say of Sir Iames Palmer otherwise a worthy Gentleman well deserving that and a better place that He was a very watchfull Chancellor who never slept in Winsor whilst invested in his Office Dr. Heylin He tels us thirdly That there belongs unto it one Register being alwayes the Dean of Winsor which is nothing so For though the Deans of late times have been Registers also yet ab initio non fuit sic it was not so from the beginning The first Dean was also Register being Iohn Boxul Anno 1557. Before which time beginning at the year 1414. there had been nine Registers which were not Deans but how many more before that time I am not able to say their names not being on Record Fuller I say not that the Register alwaies Was the Dean but being alwaies the Dean which relating to our and our fathers memories is right enough but it shall be reformed Dr. Heylin And fourthly he tels us That the Garter is one of the extraordinary Habiliments of the Knights of this Order their ordinary being onely the blew Ribbon about their necks with the Picture of St. George appendant and the Sun in his glory on the left shoulder of their Cloak whereas indeed the Garter is of common wearing and of such necessary use that the Knights are not to be seen abroad without it upon pain of paying two Crowns to any Officer of the Order who shall first claim it unlesse they be to take a journey in which case it is sufficient to wear a blew Ribbon under their Boots to denote the Garter Lastly whereas our Author tells us that the Knights hereof doe weare on the left shoulder of their Cloaks a Sun in his glory and attributes this wearing as some say to King Charles I will first put him out of doubt that this addition was King Charles his then shew him his mistake in the matter it self And first in the first year of that King Apr. 26. 1626. it was thus enacted at a publick Chapter of the Order viz. That all Knights and Companions of the Order shall wear upon the left part of their Cloaks Coats and riding Cassocks at all times when they shall not wear their Roabs and in all places of Assembly an Escocheon of the Armes of St. George id est a Crosse within a Garter not enriched with Pearls or Stones in token of the honour which they hold from the said most noble Order instituted and ordained for persons of the highest worth and honour Our Author secondly may perceive by this Act of the Kings that St. Georges Crosse within the Garter is the main device injoyned to be worn by all the Knights of that noble Order to which the adding of the Sun in his glory served but for ornament and imbellishing and might be either used or not used but onely for conformities sake as they would themselves Fuller This Sun in Glory affords me small light so that I can see but very little if any thing at all which I have to alter Dr. Heylin So many Errors in so few lines one shall hardly meet with Fuller Yea with more in fewer lines even in the Animadvertor himself in laying down the Root and Branches of the noble family of the Montagues Mistakes the more remarkable because done in correction of Mr. Sanderson and making more faults that He mendeth Or rather all is but one mistake resulting from a continued complication of omissions confusions and transpositions Advertisements on the History of the Reign of King Iames pag. 21 22. Fol. 490. Sir Edward Montague had three sonnes Edward the eldest Knight of the Bath c. The Author here is much mistaken in the House of the Montagues For first that Edward Montague who was Knight of the Bath c. was not Brother to Iames Bishop of Winchester and Henry Earl of Manchester but their Brothers Son that is to say the Son of another Edward their eldest Brother Secondly besides that Edward Iames and Henry there was another Brother whom the Author names not though he could not chuse but know the man viz. Sir Sidney Montague one of the Masters of the Requests to the late King Charles Therefore to set this matter right I am to let both him and his Readers know that Sir Edward Montague chief Justice in the time of King Edward the sixth was father of another Edward who lived peaceably and nobly in his own Country To whom succeeded a third Edward who sought for honour in the Wars and gained the reputation of a good Commander the elder Brother of Iames Henry and Sidney before mentioned and the father of a fourth Edward who
no Topick so usefull in his Logick as the rule of Contraries Contraria juxta se posi a magis elucescunt Upon which ground the better to set off Bishop Andrews this poor Archbishop must be charged with want of moderation in enjoyning his own private practises and opinions upon other men And here that Bishop Iuxon might appear with the greater lustre the said Arch-bishop with all his passions and infirmities must stand by for a foil He had indeed no such command upon his passions as to be at all times of equall temper especially when wearied with the businesse of the Councill-Table and the High-Commission But as he was soon hot so he was soon cool'd and so much is observed by Sir Edward Dering though his greatest adversary and the first that threw dirt in his face in the late long Parliament who telleth us of him that the roughness of his uncourtly nature sent most men discontented from him but so that he would often of himself find waies and means to sweeten maâ—y of them again when they least looked for it In this more modest then our Author who gives us nothing of this Prelate but his vvants and vveaknesses But of this reverend Prelaâ—â— he vvill give cause to speak more hereafter Fuller There were other Clergy men Privy-Counsellors beside Arch-Bishop Laud Dr. Abbots Neil Harsnet Williams c. And therefore the Animadvertors Collection of my words cannot be conclusive in Reference to Arch-Bishop Laud I confesse else where I do reckon Anger amongst his personall imperfections which a Historian may do without any wrong at all The spirit of God saying Elias was subject to like passions as we are I am confident as angry as Arch-Bishop Laud was He would not have bin angry with me for writing of it as sensible of and sorrowfull for his owne imperfection therein I am much of the mind of Sr. Edward Dering that the roughnesse of his un-court-like nature sweetned many men when they least looked for it surprizing some of them and my selfe for one with unexpected Courtesies But whereas I am accused for giving in nothing of this Prelate but his wants and vveaknesses it vvill not be long before my innocence herein vvill appeare Dr. Heylyn Let us now on unto another of a different judgment his profest enemy Mr. Prin of whom thus our Author fol. 157. Mr. William Prin was born about Bath in Glostershire c. and began with the writing of some Orthodox Books In this story of Mr. Prin and his sufferings our Author runs into many errors which either his love to the man or zeal to the good cause or carelesnesse of what he writes have brought upon him Fuller If I have run into so many errours it will be charity in the Animadvertor fairly to lead me back again a foot-pace into the truth and then he shall have thanks for his pains alwaies provided he doth not pinch me by the arm as he conducteth me which will turn my thanks into anger But seeing the Animadvertor careth for both alike from my hands let him do as he pleaseth Next we have his tripartite History of my errors which he will have to proceed from one of these three causes 1. Love to the person of Mr. Prin. To whom I professe I have no fondnesse but likeing the Motto of Luther In quo aliquid Christi video illum diligo I must on that account have a kindness for him 2. Zeal to their good cause which I behold as a jeer and treading on the toes of Scripture Galatians 4.18 It is good to be zealously affected alwaies in a good thing 3. Carelesnesse of what I write But seeing now the Animadvertor's hand is in his Arithmetick in counting of causes of my mistakes his charity might have found a â—ourth worth all the other three and imputed my errors to that infirmity which alwaies attendeth human nature However let us proceed Dr. Heylyn Whereas our Author telleth us that Mr. William Prin was born about Bath in Glocester-shire Bath is not in Glocester-shire but a chief City in the County of Somerseâ— Fuller These are ANI-MAD-VERSIONS indeed when a Writer's words are madly verted inverted perverted against his true intent and their Grammaticall sense My words run thus Mr. William Prin was born about Bath in Glocester-shire where Bath is walled about with a Parenthesis not essentiall to the Sentence thus perfect without it Mr. William Prin was born in Glocester-shire These walls the Animadvertor hath most dis-ingenuously dismantled to lay Bath open and if possible to bring it into Glocester-shire that so he may have something to cavil at me Indeed Bath is not in but within three miles of Glocester-shire and the next eminent place to the Village of Mr. Prin's nativity When Towns stand in the confines of two Counties is it not proper enough to say Such a one was born about London in Surrey though London be in Middlesex or about Windsor in Buckingham-shire though Windsor be in Bark-shire Mr. Fox writing in his own defence against such as traduced him Some saith he do not cavill because they have found fault but do find faults because they may cavill And be it reported to the Reader whether the Animadvertor may be accounted one of them And now the Animadvertor having a little refreshed himself in my Crosse-Bath and somewhat pleased his spirit of opposition he thus proceedeth Dr. Heylyn Secondly whereas he saith that he began with the writing of some Orthodox Books Though I look on Mr. Prin so far forth as I am able to judge by some Books of his not long since published as a man of a far more moderate spirit than I have done formerly yet can I not think his first Books to have been so Orthodox as our Author makes them For not to say any thing of his Perpetuity c. Fuller But I must and will say something of his Perpetuity of the Regenerate Man his Estate as being that which is particularly named in my Margin and chiefly intended by me A Book wherein an usefull necessary and comfortable Truth is learnedly defended A Book which will perpetuate the memory of the Writer who had he proceeded and continued as he began none could have took just exception at or got just advantage against him Dr. Heylyn As for the Books of Mr. Prin entituled Lame Giles his Haltings Cozen 's cozening Devotions and his Appendix to another they have many things repugnant to the Rules and Canons of the Church of England No greater enemy against howing at the Name of Iesus nor greater enemy to some Ceremonies here by Law established In which particulars if our Author think him to be Orthodox he declares himself to be no true son of the Church of England Fuller I confess in this his numerous offspring his younger children were nor so vigorous as his first born termed in the Scripture the might and beginning of their fathers strengâ—h they were of a weaker
and sicker constitution and some passages in them I do not approve I hope to acquit my self so dutifull a son to the Church of England that when in a reverent posture I shall crave her blessing she will give it me in as full and free a manner and measure as to the Animadvertor himself Dr. Heylyn Thirdly the Book called Histrio-Mastix was not writ by Mr. Prin about three years before his last sufferings as our Author telleth us for then it must be writ or published Anno 1634. whereas indeed that Book was published in Print about the latter end of 1632. and the Author Censur'd in Star-Chamber for some passages in it about the latter end of the year 1633. Otherwise had it been as our Author tells us the punishment must have preceded the offence and he must suffer for a Book which was not publisht at that time and perhaps not written But our Author hath a speciall faculty in this kind which few Writers have Fuller The Animadvertor hath a speciall faculty in cavilling without cause My Clock of time strikes true enough but that he is minded not to tell it aright My words are Some three years since which word SOME soundeth an interpretative plùs minus to all ingenuous Ears Besides this is our opposite marginall Note containing the contents of that Paragraph Mr. Prin accused for Libelling against Bishops which accusation was about two years before this his last Censure during which time he was imprisoned And my SOME three years are to bear date in the construction of any impartiall Reader from that his accusation and then nothing is mis-timed but falleth out in due season And now Reader judge where the many errors be into which I have run in the story of Mr. Prin and his sufferings seeing no one mistake can be produced and proved against me And seeing the first Book of Mr. Prin was â—ound in it self in my opinion and his last Books more moderate even in the judgment of the Animadvertor and his midling Books how faulty soever such for which he hath severally suffered let us even take a fair farewell of Mr. Prin and his Books and so proceed Dr. Heylyn Now as our Author post-dateth his Histrio-Mâ—stix by making it come into the world two years after it did so he ante-dates a Book of Dr. White then Lord Bishop of Ely which he makes to be publisht two years sooner then indeed it was That Book of his entituled A Treatise of the Sabbath came not out till Michaelmas Anno 1635. though placed by our Author as then written Anno 1633. for which see fol. 144. Fuller In answer hereunto May the Reader be pleased to take notice of these particulars 1. The revived controversie Lords-Day lasted ten years bandied with books from 1628. till 1638. 2. I was loath to scatter my Book with it but resolved on one intire Narrative thereof 3. I fixed on the yeare 1633. therein to insert the same because the middle Number from the rising to the sinking of the difference then came to the very heat and height thereof 4. Hence my Narrative retreated some years back to 1628. when Bradborn began the difference 5. Hence also it sallied forth to the year 1635. when Bishop White 's book was set forth and beyond it 6. The date of the yeare 1633. stands still unmoveable on my Margin the whole Relation being for the reasons aforesaid entered under it So that nothing is offered to the Reader unjoynted in Time if I be but rightly understood Dr. Heylyn Next unto Mr. Prinne in the course of his Censure comes the Bishop of Liâ—coln the cause whereof we have in our Author who having left a blank fol. 156. for somewhat which he thinks not fit to make known to all gives some occasion to suspect that the matter was far worse on the Bishops side than perhaps it was And therefore to prevent all further misconstructions in this businesse I will lay down the story as I find it thus viz. The Bishop's purgation depending chiefly upon the testimony of one Prideon it happened that the February after one Elizabeth Hodson was delivered of a base child and laid to this Prideon The Bishop finding his great Witness charged with such a load of filth and infamy conceived it would invalidate all his testimony and that once rendred invalid the Bishop could easily prognosticate his own ruine therefore he bestirs himself amain And though by order of the Justices at the publick Sessions at Lincoln Prideon was charged as the reputed father the Bishop by his two Agents Powel and Owen procured that Order to be suppressed and by subornation and menacing of and tampering with Witnesses at length in May 10 Car. procured the child to be fathered upon one Boon and Prideon acquit Which lewd practises for the supportation of his favourite's credit cost the Bishop as he confest to Sir Iohn Munson and others twelve hundred pounds so much directly and by consequence much more Fuller I have concealed nothing herein of Moment the Blank being insignificant and the mere mistake of the Printer and expect no considerable addition from the Animadvertor having in my Book truly and clearly stated the Bishops Cause from the best Records I appeal to the unpartiall Perusers of what I wrote whether by this Note any thing of moment is added to the matter in hand except the naming of a light houswife which I conceived beneath my History the rest being truly by me related before Dr. Heylyn But to proceed the cause being brought unto a censure fol. 157. Secretary Windebank motioned to degrade him which saith he was lustily pronounced by a Knight and a Lay-man having no precedent for the same in former Ages But first it is not very certain that any such thing was moved by Sir Francis Windebank A manuscript of that daies proceedings I have often seen containing the Decree and Sentence with the substance of every Speech then made and amongst others that of Sir Francis Windebank in which I find no motion tending to a Degradation nor any other punishment inflicted on him than Fine Suspension and Imprisonment in which the residue of the Lords concurred as we find in our Author Fuller It is very certain he moved it and I avow it from honourable Eyes and Ears The Animadvertor misguides the reference of those my words having no precedent for the same in former Ages making them relate to the Bishop's Degradation whereof one precedent since the Reformation Unus homo nobis which indeed refer to the Knight's and Lay-man's first mentioning thereof which is unprecedented I am sure that such a person should FIRST make such a motion against a Bishop I confess at Bp. Midleton's Degradation some of the Lay-Privy-Counsellors were present but acted little therein so far from FIRST mentioning of it onely concurring with the Court the matter being chiefly managed by Arch-bishop Whitgift and some other Bishops and Deans the Commissioners as most proper