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A40242 Saul's errand to Damascus, with his packet of letters from the high priests against the disciples of the Lord, or, A faithful transcript of a petition contrived by some persons in Lancashier who call themselves ministers of the Gospel breathing out threatnings and slaughters against a peaceable & godly people there, by them nick-named Quakers : together with the defence of the persons thereby traduced against, the slanderous and false suggestions of that petition, and other untruths charged upon them : published to no other end but to draw out the bowels of tender compassion from all that love the poor despised servants of Jesus Christ, who have been the scorn of carnal men in all ages. Fox, George, 1624-1691.; Naylor, James, 1617?-1660.; Lawson, John. 1654 (1654) Wing F1895; ESTC R37353 29,928 47

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Husbands Children to their Parents Servants to their Masters Congregations to their Ministers and of a People to their God But Opinions we deny for they are without God and there you are and justice and purity is but one and that we set up and own purity and walking in the Spirit doth make a separation from all uncleanness and can have no fellowship with them who are unfruitful workers of darkness but there is a separation from them the Rom. 1. 2. one hath fellowship with God and the other hath fellowship with darkness which be unfruitful the one is separated to God the other is separated from God Object Have drawn much poople after them many whereof Men Women and little Children at their meetings are strangely wrought upon in their bodies and brought to fall foam at the mouth roar and swell in their bellies Answ The meetings of the people of God were ever strange to the world for it was as though some strange thing had happened 1 Pet. 4. 12. to the Saints as ye read in the Scripture which shew Psal 71. 7. ye are in the same generation wondring and stranging at the work of the Lord despising and casting scandals slanders and false reports upon them and where the works of God are now they think them strange things now as was then who Act. 13. 41. are alive in the flesh It would be a strange thing to see one now sall down as Paul fell down and trembled and as Daniel fell down and trembled and to see one a Habakkuk his belly to tremble and his lips to quiver and as David to ly D o. 10. 9. roaring all the day long who cryed I 'l his sight was grown dim and hi● flesh sailed of fatnesss and till he could number his bones Hab. 3. 16. and to see one as Isaiah to rent his garment and his mantle and pluck his hair off his head and off his beard and sit down astonished and would it not be strange to see such an Assembly as came to Isaiah which had all trembling hearts Hear the Word Ifa 66. 5. of the Lord all ye that tremble at his Word Work out your salvation with fear and trembling Before their faces the people shall be much pained all faces shall gather blackness The Prophets and Ministers of God have all one Spirit accodring to Joel 2. 6. measure and did encourage those that did tremble wherein it shews that you have not the same Spirit but seek to persecute and fix scandals and accuse them fa●●● The Ministery of truth ever drew from all the Ministery of the world and from under all the lawes of the world up to God and from all the Gods of the earth and then they witnessed that the Lord was their Lawgiver the Lord was their King the Lord was their Judge Ob. Geo. Fox professed and avowed that he was equal with God Ans It was not so spoken as George Fox was equal with God but the Father and the Son is one I and my Father are one and where the same is revealed this is witnessed but where the Joh. 14. 9. 16 sure is not made manifest and revealed Christ is persecuted for the world knows him not Let the same minde be in you Phil. 6. 7. that was also in Christ Iesus who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equall with God and yet made himself of no reputation and this I witnesse to be fulfilled for the same Spirit where it is equall with God for be that sanctifieth and they that are sanctified are all of one and it is God that sanctifieth He that hath the Word of God hath God for God is the word and our fellowship is with God There is a natural man and there is a spirtual man the first is of the earth earthly Heb. 2. 1. the second is the Lord from heaven The new man which is created Jude 1. after God in righteousnesse and true holinesse and he that John 1. doth righteousnesse is righteous even as be is righteous 1 Cor. 47. 48. And this I witnesse what the Scripure saith Let no man deceive you 1. Joh. 3. Object He professeth himself to be the eternall Iudge of the world Answ He that was a Minister of God said that the Saints 1 Cor. 6. 2. should judge the world yea Angels herein they do shew themselves to be no Ministers of God who seek to persecute them who are judged of God and justified by him where judgement Mat. 12. 2 is brought forth unto victory and set in the earth and that which is eternall hath judged all the carnal nature in himself and where it is judged there is no unity with it where it is a live and he 〈◊〉 hath not ●ue judgement and hath not Sale Mat. 5. ●● in himself to 〈◊〉 withall is good for nothing and he cannot endure that Christ should speak where he is made manifest I am the nay saith Christ Christ is but one in all his Saints and he speaks in them but he doth not say that George Fox is Christ I am the way the truth and the life Christ is the 1 Cor. ●● light and ye are the light and Christ liveth in you and Christ Mark 1● is the head of the man and it is the Spirit of the Father that speaketh in you and spoke in Christs and he is but one in all his Saints without are many Christ Lo here and lo there but know you not that Christ is in you except ye be Reprobates and if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin and there Chirst Iesus speaks the same Christ to day yesterday and for ever And Isa 5. 20 thy judgement which is not eternal is carnal and with-evill thoughts thou judgest thou puttest darkness for light and light for aarkness and here thou she west thy judgement to be carnall and no Minister of God but a Minister of the Letter and not of the Spirit for the Ministers of the Spirit have true judgment and did imprison none not persecute as you do but it is that fools may utter forth their folly Object He said be was the way the truth the life Answ The old man cannot endure to hear the new man speak which is Christ and Christ is the way and if Christ be in you must not he say I am the way the truth and the life John 14. 6. Now if Antichrist speak he is owned of the world but he cannot witness it while the old man reigns the voice of John 10. 4. God is not known nor Christ himself to speak in man but Christs sheep know his voice Object He said whosoever took a place of Scripture and made a Sermon of it or from it was a Conjurer and his preaching was Conjuration Ans He that puts the Letter for the light when the Letter saith Christ is the light he
Christ with one Spirit into one body that I confess according to Scripture and the Lords Supper I confess and that the brend the Saints Gal. 3. 27. break is body of Christ and that cup which they drink is the Ioh. 6. 53. 55. blood of Christ this I witnesse Object 3. He did disswade men from reading the Scriptures telling them that it is carnal Answ For disswading men from reading the Scriptures that is false for they were given to be read as they are but not to 1 Cor. 2. 10. 16. make a Trade upon the Letter is carnall and killeth but that which gave it forth is spiritual eternall and giveth life and this I witnesse Object 4. That he was equall with God Answ That was not so spoken but that He that sanctifieth Heb. 2. 11. and they that are sanctified are of one and the Saints are all 〈…〉 Eph. 5. 30. this the Scripture doth witness And ye are the Sons of God and the Father and he Son are one and they that are joyned to the Lord are one Spirit and they that are joyned to an harlot are on flesh Object That God taught deceit Answ That is false and was never spoken by me God is pure Object That the Scriptures are Antichrist Answ That is false but that they which prosess the Scriptures and live not in the life and power of them as they did that gave them forth that I witness to be Antichrist Object That he was the judge of the world Answ That the Saints shall Judge the world the Scripture witness it whereof I am one and I witness the Scripture fulfilled Cor. 6. 2. 3. Object That he was as upright as Christ Answ Those were not so spoken by me but that as he is so are we in this present world That the Saints are made the 1 Ioh. 4. 17. righteonsness of God That the Saints are one in the Father and 2 Cor. 5. 21. the Son that we shall he like him 1 John 3. 3. and that all Ioh. 17. 21. 22. teaching which is given forth by Christ is to bring the Saints to perfection even 〈◊〉 the measure of the stature of the fastness Eph. 4. 11. 12. 13. of Christ This the Scripture doth witness and this I witness Where Christ dwels must not ●e 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Temple Queries propounded to George Fox by some of the Contrivers of the Petition and by him Answered Query WHether there be one individual God distinguished into the Father Son and Holy Ghost or not Answ Herein thou wouldst know whether God be individual yea or no which is but a busie minde for hadst thou the witness in thy self thou wouldst know that he is but the Heathen know not God and all that know him not are Heathen living in the wicked imiginations of their own hearts and that is thy condition For God is a Spirit and none know him but the Son and he to whom the Son is revealed the Son and the Word is one He that hath ears to bear let him bear what the Spirit saith for thou natural man thou knowest not the things of God Qu. Whether a believer be justified by Christs righteousness imputed yea or no Answ He that beleeveth is born of God and he that is born of God is justified by Christ alone without imputation Qu. Whether he that beleeveth that Christ hath taken away his sin is clean without sin in this life as Christ himself or not Answ He that believeth is born of God and he that is born of God sins not neither can he sin because his seed remaineth in him as he is so are we in this present evil world Qu. Whether a Believer be without all sin in this life or not Answ Christ being made manifest is made manifest to take away sin and in him is no sin at all he that abideth in him sins not he that sins is of the Devil and bath not seen him in the true Church of God there is no talk of such carnal things Thou Sot the Bread which the Saints break is of the body of Christ he is the bread of life The Church is not the Steeple-house but the Church is in God and those that eat the bread of life live for ever the Church is in God and the bread of life is there and it shall continue for ever Qu. Whether Christ in the flesh be a figure or not and if a figure how and in what Answ Christ is the substance of all figures and his flesh is a figure for every one passeth through the same way as he did who comes to know Christ in the flesh there must be a suffering with him before there be a rejoycing with him Christ is an example for all to walk after and if thou know'st what an example is thou wouldst know what a figure is to come up to the same fulness Qu. Weether there be any Heaven or Hell for the Elect or Reprobute after death but in man in this life or not Answ There is no knowledge of Heaven or Hell but through death the wicked shall be turned into bell and all them that forget God there to be tormented there is a hell thou shalt finde it Heaven is God Throne and Heavenly notions within shall be shaken for God is pure and nothing that is unclean shall stand before him and he hath said he will dwell in man Qu. Whether the Ministration of the Ministory by man is to continue till the end or not Answ The Ministration of the world is the Ministry of man and doth not lead to an end but keeps in time and that must have on end for it is not of God The Ministery of God is to draw people up to himself but that is not of man nor by man nor according to man or Paul was made a Minister according to the wil of God who had not received it of man neither was it taught him of man and was a Minister of the Spint but the Ministers of the world receive their learning as Oxford and Cambridge and are taught of men and speak a divination of their own brain which is conjuring and bewitch the people with those things which are carnal as to sprinkle Infants and tell them of a Sacrament which there is no Scripture for and saying they are the Ministers of Christ and act those things which he forbids as to have the chiefest place in the assemblies the uppermost room at feasts the greeting in Markets and to be called of men Masters and with pretence make long prayers which Christ forbids and profess and say they are the Ministers of Christ wherein they shew themselves to be Antichrist And see if thou do not uphold these Antichrists and say they are the Ministers of Christ Qu. Whether the written Word I mean the Scriptures be the power of God unto Salvrtion to every one that believes or not Answ The written Word is not the power of God not
in themselves and become Iudges of evil thoughts And saith Paul Let every soul be subject to the higher power for saith he there is no power but of God the Rom. 13. 1. 2. powers that be are ordained of God and that whosoever resistesh the power resisteth the Ordinance of God and faith We must needs be subject for conscicence sake and therefore though the Rom. 13. 5. Prophets wer often sent by the Lord to pronounce judgement against unjust men who had the power committed to Hosea 5. 12. them and did not judge for God but for self ends yet they never attempted any violence against them but used ●●l means to perswade them to leve mercy do justice and walk humbly with Mica 6. 8. God that they might be established 〈◊〉 the wrath of God truned from them for those that be of Go cannot rejoice in the sufferings of any but would have all to turn and find mercy 7. Concerning the Ministery The true Ministers of Jesus Christ 2 Pet 1. 21. have always been and are still such as come not by the will of Eph. 4. 7. 6. 11. man but by the will of God neither are they fitted to the work by any thing of man but by God alone for the true Ministry it the gift of Iesus Christ and needs no addtion of human help 1 Cor. 12. 7. and learning but as the work is spiritual and of the Lord 1 Pet. 4. 10. 11. so they are spiritually fitted only by the Lord and therefore he chused Herdsemen Fishermen and Plowmen and such like and as he gave them an immediate Call withon the leave of man so he fitted them immediatly without the help of man Mat 10. 8. and as they received the gift freely so they were to give freely And when ever they found any of the false Ministery that taught for hire cryed out against them and pronounced woes against them and shewed them that they lay in iniquity because Acts 8. 20 they thought that the gift of God could be bought and sold for Ioh. 10. 13. money and Christ calls them hirelings and saith they care Mica 3. 10 not for the sheep and Micab cryes out against the Priests that taught for hire and saith he they build up Sion with blood Ior. 5. 30 31. and Jerusalem with in quity and Jeremiah cryed out against Ior. 6. 13. the Priests in his days that hear rule by their means and calls it a horrible thing and saith that from the least of them to the Isa 56. 10. 11 greatest they are all given to covetousness And Isiah cryes out against those in his days and calls them greedy Dogs that can never have enough and saith he they all look for their gain from their quarter And Peter saith of such as should come 2 Pet. 2. 3. that they ●hrough covetousness should make merchandize of the people and saith they have hearts exercised with covetous practises 2 Pet. 2. 14. 15. who have for saken the right way and have followed the the way of Baalam who loved the wages of unrighteousness And 2 Cor. 11. 15 Jude cryes Wo unto them for they go on in the way of Cain in his Jude 11. murder and run greeddy after the error of Balaam for reward But those that were sent out by Christ counted their gain to make the Gospel without charge nei he ever had they any set 1 Cor. 9. 16. 17. 18. means but went about having no certain dwelling place never were masters but servrnos to al for Christ sake nor ever 1 Cor. 4. 11. went to Law for Ty●hes or any other earthly thing Now all people try your Priests by the Scriptures whether they be of God or of the world and never think to hear the 1 Iohn 2. 3. 4 5. 6. Word of the Lord from their mou●hs who walk con rary to the Scriptures for such were never sent of God for had they 2 Ioh. 9. 10. been sent of God they would abide in his doctrine and saith Iohn Such have not God but he that abideth in the Doctrine of 2 Ioh. 9. 10 11. Christ hath both the Father and the Son And if there come any to you and bring not this doctrine you are forbidden to receive them into your house or bid them God speed her of you do you are partakers of their evil deeds And unto the wicked saith God What ha●● thou to do to declare my statuter or that thou should'st Psal 50. 16. 17. take my Covenant into thy mouth seeing thou hat st instruction and castist my Words behind thy back and art a partaker with the Thief the Adulterer E●●l-speaking Slandering and Deceit Psal 50. 21. and such as these think God to be like themselves Divers particulars of the persecutions of Iames Nayler by the Priests of Westmerland IAmes being at a meeting at Edward Briggs house on the first day where many people met he was desired by divers friend to meet the day following at Widow Cooks house about a mile from Kendal whereof the priests having notice raised the Town of Kendal against him but being long in gathering together the meeting was done but spies being out upon the Steeple top and other places notice was given what way James passed from thence and coming down towards Kendal two Priests being accompanied with a Justice of peace and some other Magi rares of the Town with an exceeding great multitude of people following them met him saying Nayler I have a message from the Lord Jesus Christ to thee but that there is not a con eniens place To which Iames answered The Lord Iesus Christ is no respecter of places Them ssage that he had to declare was this I conjure thet that thou tell me by what power thou inflictest such punishment upon the bodies of creatures Iames answered Dost thou remember who it was that did adjure Christ to tell if he were the Son of God and asked by what authority he did those things for Jemes saw him to be one of that generation but the Priest still conjuring him to tel by what power he did it Iames answered Dost thou acknowledge is to be done by a power Yea saint he I have the Spirit of God and thereby I know it is done by a power Iames said If thou have the Spirit of God his sayest thou hast then thou canst tell by what power it is done ●he ●riest said When God comes he comes to torment the souls and not the bodies James said He comes to redeem the souls But after much jangling the Priest began to accuse him before the Justice and Magistrates of many things As that he taught people to turn their Bibles Children to disobey their Parents Wives their Husbands People to disobey their Magistrates and such like accusations To which James answered Thou art a false accuser prove one of these things if thou
time But the Priests missing of their purpose there the next first day after they prepared their Sermons suitable to what they intended possessing the people that he was a blisphemer and denied the Resurrection and the Humanity of Christ and all Authority and that the Parliament had opened a gap for blasph●my and as it was said by some of their Hearers they did God good service that would knock him down Thus having stirred up the ruder sort the next day they prevailed with one called a Justice of Peac● the Priests son got him to come twelve miles from his own house he was one as some say that had been in actual arms against the Parliament for bringing in of the Scots and having armed a great multitude against the next morning they came very early to the house where he was where many Christian friends would have met that day and asked for Nayler threatning to knock out his brains against the stones in the wall and that they would pull down the house if he would not come out though the door was never shut against them But some of them came into the house and commanded him to come forth under pretence to dispute with the Priest But James 〈◊〉 what they intended answered You did not use me so civilly the last time I was amongst you but if any have a mind they may come in the doors are open Which answer they told the Priests whereupon they rushed violently in and took him by the throat haled him out of the door into a field where was a man whom they called a Justice and with a Pitchfork struck of his Hat and commanded him to answer to such Questions as the Priests would ask him Whereupon the Priest began to ask many Questions as concerning he Resurrection the Humanity of Christ the Scriptures and divers other Questions as the Sacrament and such like to which he answered and proved by Scripture But at last being asked if Christ was in him he said he witnessed him in him in measure The Priest asked if Christ was in him as man Iames said Christ is not divided But he urged him to tel whether Christ as man was in him or no. He answered Christ is not divided for if he be he is no more Christ but I witnesse that Christ is in me who is God and man in measure But the Priest said Christ is in Heaven with a cunnal body To who said Iames Christ filleth Heaven and Earth and is not carnal but spiritual for if Christ be in Heaven with a carnal body and the Saints with a spiritual body that is not proportionable neither was that a carnal body which same in among the Disciples the doors being shut for Christ is a Mystery and thou knowest him not Then after much jangling and tempting the Priest not having got the advantage he waited for he cryed out unto the people not to receive him into their houses and alledged that in the second Epistle of Iohn v. 10. Now how suitable that place was for his purpose all people may see who have eyes for there they are forbidden to receive any into their houses but such who abide in the Doctrine of Christ and confesse themselves that they had both the Father and the Son and preach that Doctrine But the Priests say that is blasphemy Theo the Priest turned away from him upon which the armed multitude began to be violen against divers friends that were there Iames hearing friends cry out said to the Justice You will surely set us peaceably into the house again but seeing him to go away and leave them in the hands of the rude multitude he gave himself up saying The will of the Lord be done Vpon which the Justice turned again saying We will see him in the house again and going towards the house many friends kept close about Iames exposing their own bodies to the danger of their weapons to fax him harmlesse and so with much ado we go into the house not receiving much harm Which being done and as Iames was pray sing the Lord for his wondrous deliverance from their malicious intants some heard them say If we let him go thus all people will run after him Whereupon they agreed that he should be brought before the Justice again and came with violence and holed him out again Then the Justice and the Priest getting a horseback they caused him to run after them to an Alehouse on the other side the water where they went in not suffering one ●riend to go in with Iames and when he came before the Justice he told him if he would not put off his hat he would send him to prison and also because he Thoued him for the Justice said My Commission runs Ye To which Iames answered I do it not in contempt for I own Authority and honor it according to the Scriptures But I find none such honor commanded in Scripture but for bidden Then they concluded to commit him for that and also as a wandering person and said none there knew him whence he came for those who knew him were kept out Then said he to Arthur Scaife Thou knewest me I was in the Army with thee eight or nine years It is no matter said the Justice thou art no Souldier now Then they writ a Mittimus to send him to prison and carried him to Kirkby Steven that night and shut him up in a Chamber and set a guard upon him but divers of our friends following into the Town where a great multitude was gathered together for meeting then did the people come from the Steeple-house where another had been preaching for divers of the Priests were gathered together that day some preaching some plotting and some persecuting Iezabels fast was a preparation for Naboths death But friends not being suffered to go into the house where Iames was they abode in the streets and some of them being moved to speak to the people the Priests perceiving the people to give audience to what was spoken made complaint Whereupon some were sent forth and with violence fetched in one Francis How gill a friend who was speaking to the people and brought him into the high Priests hall where were five Priests assembled with many other of their party but not one friend And bringing him before the Justice he was commanded to put off his hat He answered I know no such Law The Priest said He wil tread both Ministery and Magistracy under his feet He said Thou art a false Accuser prove wherein But one that stood by took off his hat and cast it into the fire Then said the Justice What is this thou speakest against the Ministers He answered What hast thou to accuse me of Whereupon one affirmed that he said All the Ministers that taught for hire and in Steeple houses were enemies and lyars against Jesus Christ and no Ministers of Iesus Christ Vpon that the Justice said Thou speakest against the Law for the Law gives