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A14614	The copies of certaine letters vvhich haue passed betweene Spaine and England in matter of religion Concerning the generall motiues to the Romane obedience. Betweene Master Iames Wadesworth, a late pensioner of the holy Inquisition in Siuill, and W. Bedell a minister of the Gospell of Iesus Christ in Suffolke.	Wadsworth, James, 1572?-1623.; Bedell, William, 1571-1642. aut; Hall, Joseph, 1574-1656.	1624 (1624)	STC 24925; ESTC S119341	112,807	174

by the Souldiers hand but at the beck of the Priest and bidding of the Emperor But the Pope in a Decretall Epistle pretending to teach the world in a point as he pronounces necessarie to saluation with such an interpretation as this argues little reuerence to the Word of God and a very meane opinion of the iudgements and consciences of christen men if they could not discerne this to be a strangers voice not Christs Besides that he changes Saint Bernards wordes and cleane peruerts his meaning For exerendus he puts in exercendus For ille Sacerdotis is militis manu sed sanè ad nutum Sacerdotis iussum Imperatoris Pope Boniface thinking iussum to absolute in the Emperor makes him to bee the executioner and ioynes him with the Souldier on this manner Ille Sacerdotum is manu Regum Militum sed ad nutum patientiam Sacerdotis Saint Bernard makes the executiue power to be in the Souldier the directiue in the Priest the commanding in the Emperor Pope Boniface makes the Kings and Souldiers to haue only the executiue the directiue permissiue to be in the Priest Yea sword he saith must be vnder sword For where the Apostle saith There is no power but of God que autem sunt à Deo ordinata sunt more fully in the originall text the powers that are are ordained that is appointed of God the Interpreter here dreames of order and subordination and cities a saying of Dionysius that the lowest things are reduced to the highest by the middlemost a conceit that makes nothing to the purpose of the Apostle in that place Hee proceeds and tells vs that of the Church and power Ecclesiasticall is verified the prophecie of Ieremy Behold I haue set thee this day ouer Kings and Kingdomes c. Tell me good Master Wadesworth what is to peruer● the Scriptures if this bee not to apply to the power Ecclesiasticall that which is spoken of the word and calling Propheticall Yet more The earthly power if it swerue out of the way shall bee iudged of the power spirituall but if the spirituall that is lesser of that which is superiour to it But if the highest it may bee iudged of God onely not of man the Apostle witnessing the spirituall man iudgeth all things but himselfe is iudged of none Wee are come at length as it were to the fountaines of Nilus to the originall of the infallibilitie of your Iudge and if hee haue here rightly interpreted Saint Paul we learne that no earthly power no Magistrate is a spirituall man vnlesse hee bee one of the Popes spiritualtie For these be Saint Pauls spirituall men that iudge all things Yet this must receiue limitation For no man may iudge the Pope the supreme Spirituall man for of him it seemes Saint Paul meant it his authoritie hee saith is not humane but diuine by the diuine mouth giuen to Peter and his successors when the Lord said to him Quodcunque ligaueris For conclusion whosoeuer resists this power thus ordered of God resists the ordinance of God vnlesse as Manichaeus he faine two beginnings which saith hee wee iudge to bee false and hereticall sith by Moses record not in the beginnings but in the beginning God created Heauen and Earth Who would not acknowledge the diuine authoritie and infallibilitie of your Interpreter both in confirming his purpose and conuincing heresies from so high a beginning as this first sentence of holy Writ What rests now but after so many testimonies he inferre Furthermore to be vnder the Bishop of Rome we declare say define and pronounce that to euery humane creature it is altogether of necessitie of saluation Thus saith your infallible Iudge and Interpreter of Scripture the center of your conscience and foundation of your Faith not as a priuate Doctor but as Pope in his owne Law intending to informe and bind the Church and that in matters with him of the greatest importance that may bee touching his owne authoritie and as hee pretends absolutely necessarie to saluation to all the sonnes of Adam I might heape vp many more but these may suffice for a sample You may and so doe by your selfe I beseech you obserue these kind of interpretations in other points also and in other the Decretals Breues of Popes which as I heare are lately come forth in great volumes You shall finde many mysteries in your faith that perhaps you know not of as That you cannot please God because you are married for so is that place of the Apostle interpreted qui in carne viuunt Deo placere non possunt That not onely the wine in the Chalice but the water also is transubstaniated first into wine then into Christs bloud That it was not watry moisture but the true element of water which issued out of Christs side You shall finde confession of sins to the Priest proued by the text Corde creditur a'd iustitiam ore autem fit confessio ad salutem That the good ground that receiued the seed in the Gospel is the religion of the Friers Mi●●rs That this is that pure and immaculate religion with God and the Father which descending from the Father of lights deliuered exemplariter verbaliter by the Sonne to his Apostles and then inspired by the holy Ghost into Saint Francis aud his followers containes in it selfe the testimony of the Trinitie This is that which as Saint Paul witnesseth no man must be troublesome vnto which Christ hath confirmed with the prints of his Passion The text is decaetero nemo mihi molestus sit ego n. stigmata Domini Iesu in corpore nemo porto It is maruell if Saint Paul were not of the order of Saint Frances That when Christ said Ecce ego vobiscum sum omnibus diebus hee meant it of remaining and being with them euen by his bodily presence Saint Augustine vpon the same text denies this and saith that according to the presence of his body hee is ascended into heauen and is not here That the Father of the childe christened and his Godfathers wife may not marry because according to the Lords word the husband and the wife are made one flesh by marriage That the number of Foure doth well agree to the degrees prohibited in corporall marriage of which the Apostle saith The man hath not the power of his owne body but the woman nor the woman power of her body but the man because there are foure humours in the body which consist of the foure Elements For conclusion you shall finde it by a commodious interpretation concluded contrarie to many texts of Scripture out of Scripture it selfe that no simple and vnlearned man presume to reach to the subtility of the Scripture because well it was enacted in the law of God that the beast which should touch the mountaine should be stoned For it is written Seeke not things higher then thy selfe

Letters to you did make mee procrastinate my payment till now to my shame you should neede to demand it And that I may by the more shaming my selfe obtaine a more easie penance from you I confesse to you I was sometime halfe in the minde hauing especially differred it so long to suppresse it altogether First out of mine owne naturall disposition who haue euer abhorred contention and whereas in matters of Religion there ought to be the fairest wars I could neuer yet meete with any of that side of so patient a minde but by opposition he would be vnsetled For your selfe though I knew your former moderate temper and as I remember I wrote to Doctor Hall beleeued you in that which you protest that out of conscience you were such as you professe yet me thought I perceiued by your quick manner to him and some passages in the conclusion of your Letter you were rather desirous to enioy the quiet possession of your owne opinion then come to any fur●her disputation whose is the right And in truth the time of that triall had beene proper before your departure nor you had to● farre engaged your selfe and were to iustifie by your constancie the wisedome of your change Besides since the sum of the errour of that side as I haue euer conceiued it is beleeuing rather too much then failing in any point necessary to saluation that notable place of the Apostle Rom. 14. 1. came to my minde especially after that I had once occasion to preach of it where he forbids controuersies of disputations with those that are infirme in faith Who art thou saith he that iudgest another mans seruant he standeth or falleth to his owne Master Why should I grieue you and perhaps make my friend mine enemy as Saint Paul the Galathians by saying the truth The world is full enough of contentious writings which as by your letter appeares you had seen ere ye resolued If those had not satisfied you what could I hope to adde to them These things moued me but as you say they did not yet satisfie me For all men are interessed in the defence of truth how much more he that is called to be a Preacher of it All Christians are admonished by Saint Iude to fight for the faith once giuen to the Saints how much more those that are leaders in this warfare How could I say I loued our Lord Iesus Christ if his honour being questioned I should be silent How could I approue to mine owne soule that I loued you if I sufered you to enioy your owne error suppose not damnable Besides that you and perhaps others also might be confirmed in it perhaps interpreting my silence for a confession that your Motiues were vnanswerable But therein I was not onely resolued selfe to the contrary but thought it so easie to resolue any indifferent minde as me thought it was more shame not to haue done it at the first then praise to doe it at the last As for the successe of my endeauour I was to leaue it to God Many and secret are the wayes of his Prouidence which serueth it selfe sometimes euen of our errours to the safer conduct of vs to our finall happinesse Some I had known and heard of more who being at first carried away with the shewes of Vnity Order Succession Infallability when they found them emptie of Truth and the cloakes of Pride ambition coue●ousnesse ioyned with an obstinacie to defend all corruptions how palpable so euer by finding the difference of these Hulles from their Fathers Table had with the prodigall Son returned home againe To conclude I accounted my selfe still in debt and was I confesse to you unwilling to die in it and somtimes vowed to God in the middest of my troubles if I might once see an end of them to endeuour to discharge it And now hauing by his mercy not onely attained that but a new occasion presented me presently thereupon by your calling for satisfaction to pay it and meanes offered me to send it safely I take this motion to proceede from God and doe humbly desire his Maiesty to turne it to good It remaines therefore good Master Wadesworth that I doe intreat your pardo● of that slacknesse that is past and gentlenesse to take it as I shall be able to pay it My employments both ordinary and extraordinary are many the bulke of it is to great to conuey in one Letter consisting of sundry sheetes of paper and at this present there lies an extraordinary taske vpon me so as I cannot presently writ it out I doe therefore no more now but acknowledge the debt and promise speedy paiment Vnlesse I shall adde this also that I doe vndertake to pay interest for the forbearance and according as I shall vnderstand by Master Austen shall be fittest and safest to send it in parts or all at once To the conclusion of your last Letter wherein you professe your desire to spend the rest of your life rather in the heate of deuotion then of disputation desiring pardon of coldenesse that way and of all other your sinnes and that it would please God to guide and keepe me in all happinesse as your selfe through the redemption of our sweete Sauiour and by the intercession of his holy mother and all Saints I doe most thankefully and willingly subscribe Amen returning vnto you from my heart your owne best wishes Neither is it my purpose to call into question the soliditie of truth or firmenesse of the hope of saluation which you finde in your present way This onely I say Et pro nobis Christus mortuus est pro nostra Redemptione sanguinem suum fudit Peccatores quidem sed de ipsius grege sumus inter eius ouiculas numeramur This is my tenet And if the doctrine of the holy Bible doe containe solid truth and beleeuing in the name of the Son of God doe giue firme hope of saluation according to Gods own record 1 Iohn 5. 10. 11. 12. we are perswaded we haue both I will adde this more We know that wee are translated from death to life because wee loue our brethren With this Oyle in our Lampes which we desire may be alwayes in store in our Vessels also our hearts we attend the comming of the Bridegroome and say cheerefully Etiam veni Domine Iesu. To whose gracious protection I doe most hartily commit you and doe rest Your assured friend and louing Brother W. BEDELL Horningesherth this fifth of August 1619. To the Worshipfull Master WILLIAM BEDELL at Horningesherth neere Saint Edmundsbury in Suffolke these Salutem in Crucifix● WORTHY SIR I Was exceeding glad to perceiue by your kinde modest and discreete Letters of 5. of August last that you are still permanent in your own good nature and constant in your loue to me not like Master Ioseph Hall neither bitterly reuiling nor flourishing impertinently Vnto whom I pray you returne his scoffing railing Letter with these few marginall noates I

there were scarce two or three bookes found that deliuered the same thing Quot libri tot varietates Ille deficit hic superabundat alius nihil omnino de eâre habet raro ant nunquam conueniunt saepe obscuri implicati librariorum vitio plerung mendosi And in truth in this your essentiall forme of Priesthood the old Pontificals before that which he set forth either had other words at the giuing of the Chalice and Paten as may seeme or wanted both that forme and the matter also together The Master of the Sentences declaring the manner of the Ordination of Priests and the reason why they haue the Chalice with wine and Paten with hosts giuen vnto them saith it is Vt per hoc sciant se accepisse potestatem placabiles Deo hostias offerendi Hugo in like manner Accipiunt Calicem cum vino Patenam cum hostia de mann Episcopi quatenus potestatem se accepisse cognoscant placabiles Deo hostias offerendi Stephanus Eduensis Episcopus in the same wordes Datur eis Calix cum vino Patena cum hostia in quo traditur ijs potestas ad offerendum Deo placabiles hostias So Iohannes Ianuensis in his Summe intituled Catholicon verbo Presbyter If yee ascend to the higher times of Rabanus Alcuinus Isidorus you shall finde that they mention no such matter of deliuering Chalice or Paten or wordes vsed at the deliuerie and no maruell for in the Canons of the fourth Councel of Carthage they found none Diony●ius falsly called Areopagita whom I mentioned before setting downe the manner of ordaining in his time The Priest vpon both his knees before the Altar with the Bishop● right hand vpon his head is on this manner sanctified by his Consecrator with holy inuocations Here is all s●ue that he saith after he hath described that also which pertaines vnto the Deacon that euery one of them is signed with the crosse when the Bishop blesseth them and proclaimed and saluted by the Consecrator himselfe and euery one of that sacred Order that is present The Greeke Schol●ast very l●uely shewes the meaning and manner of this proclaiming Her saith The Ordayner pronounceth by name when hee signeth him 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Such a man is consecrated from bein● Presbyter to be a Bishop in the name of the father c. and s. in the Presbyter and Deacon Clemens Romanus ● F. Turrian and the rest of the Romish ●action deceiue vs 〈…〉 be not deceiued themselues in attributing to him the 〈◊〉 bookes of the Apostolike Constitutions that 〈…〉 name cuts the matter yet more short and without 〈◊〉 crossing or proclaiming appoints the Bishop to lay his 〈◊〉 vpon him in the presence of the Presbyterie and the Deacor● vsing a Prayer which you may see at length in him 〈◊〉 the increase of the Church and of the number of them that by word and worke may edifie it for the partie elected vnto ●he ●●fice of Priesthood that being filled with the operations of healings and word of Doctrine he may instruct Gods people with meeknesse and serue him sincerely with a pure minde and willing heart and performe holy seruices without spot for his people through his Christ to whom c. These last words which are in the Greeke 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Carol●● Bouius Bishop of 〈◊〉 interprets sacrificia pro populo tuo immaculata 〈◊〉 Maruell that he added not tam pro 〈◊〉 quam pro defunctis Sure if Saint Paul Rom. 15. 16. had not added the word ' 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 hee had sacrificed also This was the ●●cient and Apostolike manner of ordination if the Author be worthy of credit But that ye may perceiue what tampering there hath beene to bring ordinations to the forme which the present Pontificall prescribes consider with me the words of Amalarius Bishop of Triers in his second Booke de Ecclesiast Offic●s where in the office of the Subdeacon thus hee writes Miror quâ de re sumptus vsus in Ecclesia c. I maruell whence the vse was taken in our Church that very often the Subdeacon should reade the Lesson at Masse since this is not found committed vnto him by the Ministry giuen him in consecration nor by the Canonicall writings nor by his name And straight after Nam primaro tempore For in ancient time the Deacon read not the Gospell which was not yet written but after it was enacted by our Fathers that the Deacons should reade the Gospell they appointed also that the Subdeacon should reade the Epistle or Lesson It appeares then that in Amalarius time who liued with Charles the great and Lewes his Sonne that ridiculous fo●me was not in the Pontificall where the Booke of the Epistles is giuen to the Subdeacons and power to reade them in the holy Church of God as well for the quicke as the dead The same Author comming to speake of Deacons telleth of their consecration by praier and imposition of hands confuteth that in the present Pontificall which he saith he found in a little Booke of holy Orders made he knowes not by what Author that the Bishop alone should lay hands on the Deacon At last he addes There is one Ministrie added to the Deacon viz. to reade the Gospell which he saith doth well befit him quia Minister est But of the deliuerie of the Booke of the Gospels with authoritie to reade the Gospell for the quicke and dead not one word In the next Chapter of Presbyters hee expounds their name and saith further hunc morem tenent Episcopi nostri Our Bishoppes haue this fashion they annoint the hands of Presbyters with oyle which ceremonie he declares touching imposition of hands vpon them he remit●●s to that he said before in the Deacon Then he shewes out of Ambrose and Hierome that these are all one Order with Bishops and ought to gouerne the Church in common like Moses with the seuentie Elders as for deliuerie of Chalice and Wine or Paten and Host with power to sacrifice so well for the quicke as the dead he makes no mention Iudge you whether these were thought to be the matter and essentiall forme of Priesthood in his time Yet one Author more wil Iname in this matter not onely because hee is a famous Schooleman and one of Luthers first aduersaries and therefore ought to be of more account with that side but because he professeth the end of his writing to be circa Sacramentum ordinis cautos reddere ne pertinax quisquam aut leuis sit circa modum tradendi aut recipiendi ordines It is Cardinall Caietane in the second Tome of his Opuscula Tit. De modo tradendi seu recipiendi Ordines Reade the whole where these things I obserue for our present purpose 1. If all be gathered together which the Pontificals or which reason or authoritie hath deliuered the nature of all the rest of the orders except Priesthood onely will appeare very vncertaine 2. The