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A07868 The Iesuits antepast conteining, a repy against a pretensed aunswere to the Downe-fall of poperie, lately published by a masked Iesuite Robert Parsons by name, though he hide himselfe couertly vnder the letters of S.R. which may fitly be interpreted (a sawcy rebell.) Bell, Thomas, fl. 1593-1610. 1608 (1608) STC 1824; ESTC S101472 156,665 240

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another opinion affirmeth the annihilation of the bread And that Bellarmine holdeth with the counsell of Trent Nowe to this pleasant harmony our Iesuite addeth this goodly Corollary viz that the Church of Rome neuer knewe how to thinke of their real presence for the space of one thousand fiue hundered forty yeares and odde vntill the late dayes of their counsell of Trent in which Counsell they receiued as it may seeme some new no Reuelation from heauen concerning the being of Christes body in their masse And heere may the indifferent Reader cleerly behold the originall of late Popish Masse which the Papists for all that would make the common people beleeue to be the old Roman religion I say the late Popish religion because as we heare it was but determined found out in the late counsell of Trent For the olde Roman masse or communion which is all one in effect was the same in substance with the communion this day vsed in our English Church S. R. We say after Saint Hierom and Saint Pontian that priests Conficiunt Corpus Christi make Christs body but dreame not of making God But where is the contradiction forsooth because Innocentius holdeth that all such priests do consecrate Durand thinketh that he only who first pronounceth the words and Caietan is of another opinion I graunt these contradicte one another But what is this to the Masse Are these contradictions in it The matter 〈◊〉 which these three Authors contradict one another is no point of faith For with catholiques it is no more matter of faith whether all the sayde Priestes or one onely Consecrate then it is with Protestants whether all or one should Christen the Childe if many at once should dippe him into the Water and pronounce the words of Baptisme T. B. Here is first graunted that priests make Christs body but not GOD. To which I say first that such making is great villany against the sonne of God Secondly that I know not how popish priests can make Christs body and not make God Vnlesse perhaps they bee Arrians and so deny Christ to be God For where Christs body is there is Christ true God and true man And therefore when they make Christs body apart from Christ then they eyther make a distinct body from Christ and so Christ must haue two bodies or else they take christs body from the God-head and so make him no God at all Heere is secondly graunted that one Papist contradicteth another in the hye mistery of the Masse But forsooth it skilleth not because it is no matter of faith This is our Iesuites short aunswere but as much to the matter as a poke full of Plumes Marry sir this is a iest indeede For he must be a right wise man indeed that can tell what Popish faith is Many most godly men and women haue beene burnt for denyall the Popish Transubstantiation and yet could not the Papists tell what it was vntil their late Counsell of Trent God keep vs from such Popish faith Heere is thirdly confessed that it is no more matter whether many Priests do make Christs body one after an other then whether many Christen a childe one after an other Behold heere howe roundly this Iesuite hudleth vp many sacred misteries as things of smal or no account I must tell him that with Godly Christians of all ages rebaptization was euer reputed a greeuous sinne and yet we see heere that one may be baptized of many one baptizing after another as one consecrating after another for so is the case in this controuersie I must tell him likewise that it is not onely great irreuerence but also execrable idolatry and more then Heathenish Villany so to abuse Christs most sacred body And I cannot but wonder if any that shall know truely their faith and opinions do not detest their late start-vp Religion The third Article of the Popes dispensations COncerning this Article I thinke two thinges onely needefull First that though our Iesuite cannot deny contracted matrimony to be de iure Diuino and a sacrament with them before carnall copulation neither that the best learned Papistes do holde it indispensable yet doth he not blush to say that the Pope can dispense with the same Secondly that he repeateth Pope Martius dispensation with the Brother and his owne naturall sister as his brother or rather himselfe for Robert Parsons is the Author of both had done before in the fore-runner of Bels Downfall But that which he should haue done which he would vndoubtedly haue done if he had beene able to haue performed it that hath he not done viz he hath not replyed to my answere neither said one word to my large confutation of the saide forerunner I there proued by the expresse verdicts of three famous Popish writers viz Siluester Prieras Bartholomaeus Fumus and Angelus de Clauisio that the Popish famous Archbyshop and canonized Saint Austoninus affirmed resolutely that pope Martin dispensed with one to marry his owne naturall and full sister of the same father and mother I prooued likewise out of Cardinall Caìetan that the Pope can disspence in al the degrees of Consanguinity saue only with the father and his daughter and with the mother and her sonne It is therefore no straunge thing to charge the Pope to graunt licence for marriage euen betweene the brother and sister For larger discourse heereof I referre the reader to my book intituled the Popes Funeral where this point is so handled as neither this Iesuite nor any of his fellowes is euer able to answere the same and therefore it is an vndoubted truth that the Pope taketh vpon him to licence a brother to marry his owne sister S. R. I omit Bels errour in affirming that Austen of Ancona dedicated his booke to Pope Iohn the twelft who was dead almost 400. yeares before him T. B. I cannot omit to tell you and the Reader that he may take heed of you heereafter that you are a lyar more impudent then impudency it selfe For Augustinus de Ancona the Author himselfe saith plainly in the very title and dedication of the Booke that it is Dedicated to Pope Iohn the twelft of that name Now whether the Authour of the booke or Robert Parsons that Trayterous and shamelesse Iesuite as the secular Priestes tearmed him knew better to whom the Booke was dedicated let the Reader iudge Would not this fellow trow yee gladly find a hole in my coat If we had a good matter in hand he would not vse such miserable shifts The fourth Article of orignall concupiscence in the regenerate THe state of this Question is this The Pope and Iesuites deny originall concupiscence to bee sinne in the regenerate because if they should graunt it to be sinne it would follow against their doctrine that none could be saued by the merit of his works I haue therefore proued it sufficiently in The Downefall of Popery to be sin and therefore will now onely confute by way