judge_n there_o because_o there_o be_v no_o such_o person_n belong_v to_o the_o then_o earl_n except_o john_n lacie_n constable_n of_o chester_n who_o be_v not_o make_v earl_n of_o lincoln_n as_o appear_v in_o your_o historical_a antiquity_n page_n 270._o till_o the_o 23_o of_o november_n 1232._o which_o be_v but_o four_o year_n and_o upward_o before_o the_o death_n of_o john_n scot_n the_o last_o of_o the_o say_a earl_n yet_o there_o be_v ever_o ancient_o person_n of_o good_a quality_n that_o be_v judge_n of_o chester_n and_o if_o it_o have_v not_o be_v always_o a_o place_n of_o great_a repute_n the_o king_n of_o england_n will_v never_o have_v make_v such_o very_a great_a person_n to_o have_v succeed_v they_o therein_o as_o to_o what_o you_o allege_v in_o the_o 18_o 19_o 20_o and_o 21_o page_n of_o your_o answer_n i_o do_v not_o doubt_v though_o you_o affirm_v it_o can_v never_o be_v prove_v but_o that_o i_o have_v already_o in_o my_o former_a book_n give_v most_o person_n satisfaction_n that_o amicia_n be_v of_o the_o half-blood_n to_o earl_n randle_n by_o a_o former_a wife_n of_o earl_n hugh_n and_o whereas_o you_o object_n that_o it_o be_v more_o rational_a to_o imagine_v that_o earl_n hugh_n match_v his_o only_a daughter_n which_o he_o have_v by_o a_o former_a wife_n will_v have_v marry_v she_o to_o as_o considerable_a a_o person_n as_o be_v either_o provide_v by_o himself_o or_o his_o son_n for_o his_o young_a child_n by_o a_o second_o venture_n i_o do_v answer_n and_o say_v that_o i_o be_o not_o certain_a whether_o amicia_n be_v the_o only_a daughter_n that_o earl_n hugh_n have_v by_o his_o former_a wife_n because_o i_o know_v some_o that_o pretend_v they_o can_v tell_v of_o some_o other_o daughter_n or_o daughter_n which_o the_o say_a earl_n hugh_n have_v by_o his_o say_a wife_n but_o i_o do_v confess_v i_o have_v never_o see_v just_a proof_n of_o any_o but_o she_o but_o suppose_v she_o to_o be_v the_o only_a child_n by_o his_o first_o wife_n i_o have_v in_o my_o former_a book_n pa._n 23_o 24_o and_o 25._o show_v that_o there_o be_v no_o strength_n in_o this_o argument_n of_o you_o and_o i_o may_v here_o further_o add_v that_o if_o you_o will_v search_v for_o example_n you_o may_v find_v very_o many_o where_o the_o elder_a sister_n sometime_o because_o sway_v by_o their_o affection_n and_o sometime_o for_o other_o reason_n have_v not_o be_v marry_v to_o so_o great_a person_n as_o the_o young_a sister_n have_v be_v neither_o can_v you_o tell_v what_o portion_n earl_n hugh_n give_v to_o amicia_n or_o to_o any_o of_o his_o other_o daughter_n neither_o be_v there_o any_o necessity_n that_o the_o elder_a sister_n because_o by_o a_o former_a wife_n must_v have_v as_o great_a a_o portion_n as_o a_o young_a sister_n by_o a_o latter_a wife_n because_o many_o time_n person_n be_v not_o able_a to_o give_v so_o great_a portion_n in_o their_o young_a day_n as_o afterward_o and_o because_o the_o child_n of_o the_o live_a wife_n be_v oftentimes_o better_o provide_v for_o than_o those_o of_o the_o dead_a wife_n and_o of_o this_o i_o can_v if_o i_o please_v instance_n in_o some_o that_o i_o know_v and_o in_o case_n the_o father_n die_v and_o leave_v only_a issue_n female_a by_o a_o first_o and_o a_o son_n and_o issue_n female_a by_o a_o latter_a wife_n as_o in_o this_o case_n there_o be_v great_a likelihood_n beside_o the_o advantage_n that_o the_o sister_n by_o the_o latter_a wife_n will_v have_v by_o be_v heir_n at_o law_n to_o their_o brother_n he_o die_v without_o issue_n that_o the_o brother_n will_v natural_o be_v more_o kind_a to_o those_o sister_n that_o be_v of_o the_o whole-blood_n and_o about_o the_o same_o age_n and_o breed_v up_o with_o he_o than_o he_o will_v be_v to_o she_o that_o be_v but_o his_o half-sister_n and_o much_o old_a than_o himself_o and_o whereas_o you_o say_v pa._n 18_o and_o 19_o that_o the_o expectation_n of_o earl_n randle_n blundevile_n sister_n of_o the_o whole_a blood_n which_o i_o conceive_v add_v to_o their_o fortune_n whereby_o they_o match_v to_o so_o great_a person_n can_v not_o be_v much_o be_v ground_v upon_o great_a uncertainty_n since_o it_o can_v not_o be_v foresee_v when_o they_o marry_v that_o their_o brother_n shall_v die_v without_o issue_n who_o afterward_o marry_v two_o wife_n successive_o purposely_o to_o have_v issue_n of_o his_o own_o body_n to_o inherit_v his_o own_o land_n i_o do_v think_v if_o you_o consider_v it_o you_o can_v in_o good_a earnest_n believe_v that_o the_o say_a earl_n randle_n blundevil_n four_o sister_n be_v marry_v before_o the_o say_a earl_n marry_v his_o first_o wife_n whatever_o they_o be_v when_o he_o marry_v his_o second_o wife_n for_o bertred_n the_o mother_n of_o randle_n blundevil_n be_v age_v but_o twenty_o four_o year_n when_o her_o husband_n earl_n hugh_n die_v as_o appear_v rot._n de_fw-fr dominabus_fw-la pveris_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o scacc._n penes_fw-la remem_fw-la r._n sub_fw-la tit._n linc._n rot._n 1._o and_o the_o say_v randle_n as_o appear_v in_o your_o historical_a antiquity_n page_n 146._o be_v marry_v to_o constance_n the_o widow_n of_o geffrey_n four_o son_n of_o king_n henry_n the_o ii_o and_o daughter_n and_o heir_n of_o conan_n duke_n of_o little_a britain_n and_o earl_n of_o richmond_n in_o the_o year_n 1187._o at_o which_o time_n the_o say_a bertred_n be_v but_o about_o thirty_o year_n old_a can_v any_o one_o think_v that_o all_o the_o five_o child_n of_o the_o say_v bertred_n be_v then_o marry_v and_o whereas_o you_o say_v that_o it_o be_v i_o who_o inform_v you_o of_o the_o three_o eminent_a judge_n and_o four_o herald_n that_o be_v of_o opinion_n that_o amicia_n be_v legitimate_a if_o your_o meaning_n be_v that_o i_o be_v the_o only_a person_n who_o inform_v you_o thereof_o i_o must_v impute_v it_o to_o the_o weakness_n of_o your_o memory_n which_o fail_v you_o in_o this_o particular_a for_o you_o have_v many_o time_n see_v our_o pedigree_n attest_v by_o mr._n cambden_n and_o mr._n samson_n erdeswick_n who_o do_v allow_v she_o to_o be_v a_o legitimate_a daughter_n and_o several_a year_n since_o two_o other_o herald_n who_o be_v yet_o live_v at_o chester_n do_v declare_v to_o you_o in_o my_o hear_n that_o she_o can_v not_o be_v a_o bastard_n and_o the_o one_o of_o they_o then_o name_v to_o you_o a_o chief_a justice_n of_o the_o common_a plea_n and_o a_o lord_n keeper_n of_o the_o great_a seal_n of_o england_n both_o now_o decease_v who_o do_v concur_v with_o they_o therein_o and_o you_o have_v also_o see_v a_o opinion_n of_o a_o three_o judge_v under_o his_o hand_n together_o with_o reason_n for_o the_o same_o and_o though_o you_o speak_v so_o slight_o of_o the_o opinion_n of_o judge_n and_o herald_n in_o compare_v they_o to_o hand_n get_v to_o a_o petition_n or_o certificate_n and_o pretend_v it_o be_v without_o hear_v the_o reason_n on_o the_o other_o side_n i_o very_o well_o know_v though_o it_o seem_v you_o have_v forget_v it_o that_o that_o hand_n which_o be_v obtain_v be_v procure_v because_o you_o seem_v to_o desire_v to_o know_v his_o opinion_n in_o the_o case_n and_o i_o also_o know_v that_o those_o two_o herald_n who_o at_o chester_n do_v declare_v their_o judgement_n against_o you_o do_v then_o hear_v all_o the_o reason_n that_o you_o can_v then_o allege_v as_o to_o what_o you_o say_v pa._n 22_o 23_o 24_o 25_o 26_o and_o part_n of_o the_o 27_o in_o all_o which_o you_o will_v willing_o prove_v that_o the_o common-law_n be_v now_o alter_v some_o other_o way_n than_o by_o statute_n you_o do_v but_o lose_v your_o labour_n and_o can_v never_o prove_v the_o same_o for_o in_o that_o maxim_n of_o the_o law_n where_o it_o be_v say_v that_o whatsoever_o be_v at_o the_o common-law_n and_o be_v not_o oust_v or_o take_v away_o by_o any_o statute_n remain_v still_o the_o word_n oust_v or_o take_v away_o must_v needs_o be_v take_v conjunctive_o and_o must_v necessary_o bear_v this_o sense_n that_o the_o common-law_n still_o be_v the_o same_o in_o all_o point_n as_o it_o be_v before_o except_o where_o take_v away_o by_o statute_n and_o if_o those_o word_n shall_v be_v take_v otherwise_o then_o the_o meaning_n will_v be_v this_o that_o that_o part_n of_o the_o common-law_n which_o do_v remain_v do_v remain_v which_o will_v be_v a_o very_a strange_a maxim_n and_o whereas_o you_o heretofore_o urge_v some_o place_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o common-law_n be_v alter_v at_o this_o day_n from_o what_o it_o be_v in_o former_a age_n long_o after_o the_o time_n of_o king_n henry_n the_o ii_o which_o you_o now_o also_o urge_v again_o in_o the_o 24_o page_n of_o your_o latter_a book_n i_o must_v give_v you_o the_o same_o answer_n which_o i_o former_o do_v viz._n that_o
land_n in_o free-marriage_n with_o his_o bastard_n daughter_n yet_o there_o be_v other_o way_n whereby_o any_o man_n that_o please_v and_o have_v a_o dispose_n power_n may_v settle_v land_n on_o a_o bastard_n daughter_n and_o her_o heir_n also_o if_o glanvills_n word_n do_v prove_v as_o you_o will_v pretend_v they_o do_v to_o what_o purpose_n shall_v man_n in_o those_o age_n leave_v the_o word_n bastard_n out_o of_o their_o deed_n of_o free-marriage_n to_o their_o bastard_n daughter_n with_o design_n thereby_o to_o cause_v such_o land_n to_o continue_v to_o they_o and_o their_o heir_n if_o such_o gift_n may_v be_v make_v with_o any_o woman_n whatsoever_o so_o that_o you_o never_o observe_v how_o fine_o you_o have_v argue_v here_o against_o yourself_o where_o you_o say_v in_o the_o 34_o 35_o 36_o and_o 37_o page_n of_o your_o book_n that_o though_o you_o do_v not_o find_v geva_n call_v a_o bastard_n in_o express_a term_n yet_o you_o find_v it_o employ_v in_o a_o author_n contemporary_a meaning_n ordericus_n by_o certain_a and_o sure_a consequence_n which_o you_o believe_v can_v never_o be_v full_o answer_v and_o for_o the_o fortify_v of_o which_o you_o pretend_v to_o give_v some_o reason_n give_v i_o leave_v since_o you_o give_v the_o occasion_n again_o to_o say_v what_o i_o have_v former_o say_v viz._n that_o though_o ordericus_n speak_v of_o hugh_n lupus_n his_o death_n do_v add_v these_o word_n richardus_fw-la autem_fw-la pulcherrimus_fw-la pver_fw-la quem_fw-la solum_fw-la ex_fw-la ermentrude_v filia_fw-la hugonis_fw-la de_fw-fr claramonte_n genuit_fw-la i_o be_o not_o yet_o satisfy_v but_o that_o he_o may_v as_o well_o mean_a that_o he_o be_v the_o only_a son_n which_o earl_n hugh_n have_v by_o ermentrude_v as_o that_o he_o be_v the_o only_a child_n that_o he_o have_v by_o she_o for_o there_o be_v no_o necessity_n to_o take_v the_o word_n solum_fw-la adverbial_o neither_o be_v it_o mark_v as_o a_o adverb_n in_o ordericus_n his_o book_n though_o it_o be_v so_o in_o you_o and_o yet_o in_o his_o book_n adverb_n be_v usual_o mark_v and_o though_o you_o alleadg_n that_o ordericus_n do_v not_o say_v quem_fw-la solum_fw-la filium_fw-la as_o i_o interpret_v he_o but_o indefinite_o quent_a solum_fw-la ex_fw-la ermentrude_v genuit_fw-la and_o so_o whether_o solum_fw-la be_v understand_v adverbial_o or_o whether_o it_o be_v take_v for_o a_o noun_n no_o more_o can_v be_v make_v of_o it_o in_o english_a than_o thus_o richard_n a_o beautiful_a youth_n who_o only_a earl_n hugh_n beget_v on_o ermentrude_v etc._n etc._n and_o so_o whether_o we_o english_z it_o who_o only_o he_o beget_v or_o who_o he_o only_o beget_v it_o retain_v the_o same_o sense_n and_o show_v that_o no_o other_o person_n either_o son_n or_o daughter_n be_v beget_v on_o ermentrude_v by_o earl_n hugh_n you_o must_v give_v i_o leave_v to_o dissent_v from_o you_o herein_o for_o i_o conceive_v this_o expression_n of_o quem_fw-la solum_fw-la genuit_fw-la do_v amount_v to_o as_o much_o as_o if_o he_o have_v say_v quem_fw-la solum_fw-la filium_fw-la genuit_fw-la which_o if_o it_o do_v than_o notwithstanding_o the_o say_a expression_n earl_n hugh_n may_v possible_o have_v a_o daughter_n or_o daughter_n by_o the_o say_v ermentrude_v for_o to_o what_o antecedent_n can_v the_o word_n quem_fw-la so_o proper_o relate_v as_o to_o the_o word_n pver_fw-la and_o if_o so_o then_o quem_fw-la solum_fw-la pverum_fw-la be_v as_o much_o as_o quem_fw-la solum_fw-la filium_fw-la and_o so_o do_v not_o exclude_v he_o from_o have_v a_o daughter_n or_o daughter_n by_o the_o say_v ermentrude_v for_o though_o the_o word_n pver_fw-la be_v by_o some_o understand_v to_o signify_v a_o child_n of_o either_o sex_n as_o you_o also_o seem_v to_o take_v it_o in_o your_o historical_a antiquity_n p._n 113_o &_o 114._o but_o misprint_v 121_o &_o 122._o yet_o mr._n gouldman_n in_o his_o dictionary_n will_v tell_v you_o that_o it_o be_v a_o mistake_n where_o on_o the_o word_n pver_fw-la he_o thus_o write_v nonnullis_fw-la habetur_fw-la communis_fw-la generis_fw-la sed_fw-la male_a ex_fw-la ovidiano_n illo_fw-la carmine_fw-la de_fw-fr iphide_v pvella_fw-la in_o pverum_fw-la mutata_fw-la dona_n pver_fw-la solvit_fw-la quae_fw-la faeminavoverat_fw-la iphis._n and_o though_o you_o say_v that_o geva_n can_v not_o be_v by_o any_o former_a wife_n because_o earl_n hugh_n have_v never_o any_o other_o wife_n yet_o that_o be_v more_o than_o either_o you_o or_o i_o know_v for_o there_o be_v many_o thing_n do_v in_o those_o age_n which_o never_o come_v to_o our_o knowledge_n and_o therefore_o i_o do_v not_o take_v upon_o i_o to_o tell_v whether_o geva_n be_v by_o a_o former_a wife_n than_o ermentrude_v or_o whether_o she_o be_v by_o ermentrude_v or_o whether_o she_o be_v a_o bastard_n but_o i_o say_v she_o may_v be_v any_o of_o the_o three_o for_o any_o thing_n that_o you_o have_v yet_o prove_v and_o so_o long_o as_o it_o be_v uncertain_a what_o she_o be_v you_o can_v bring_v no_o considerable_a argument_n from_o she_o against_o amicia_n and_o if_o you_o can_v prove_v she_o a_o bastard_n it_o will_v signify_v nothing_o because_o the_o deed_n make_v to_o she_o be_v not_o a_o gift_n in_o frankmarriage_n as_o have_v former_o and_o will_v hereafter_o appear_v and_o whereas_o you_o ask_v p._n 36._o be_v i_o expound_v the_o word_n of_o ordericus_n to_o be_v that_o earl_n hugh_n have_v no_o other_o son_n what_o advantage_n it_o be_v to_o my_o purpose_n unless_o geva_n be_v that_o daughter_n and_o be_v legitimate_a i_o answer_v that_o possible_o geva_n may_v be_v that_o daughter_n or_o possible_o geva_n may_v be_v by_o a_o former_a wife_n and_o that_o daughter_n which_o earl_n hugh_n have_v by_o ermentrude_v may_v die_v before_o earl_n richard_n so_o that_o nothing_o of_o certainty_n can_v be_v gather_v from_o such_o argument_n as_o these_o as_o to_o what_o you_o say_v p._n 38_o 39_o 40_o &_o 41._o that_o i_o be_o not_o to_o argue_v upon_o possibility_n and_o because_o it_o may_v possible_o be_v so_o to_o say_v that_o the_o earldom_n of_o chester_n be_v ancient_o entail_v on_o the_o heir_n male_n i_o answer_v that_o i_o do_v not_o positive_o aver_v any_o such_o thing_n but_o let_v the_o case_n be_v how_o it_o will_v and_o whethersoever_o geva_n or_o randle_n de_fw-fr meschines_n be_v the_o heir_n general_a to_o richard_n earl_n of_o chester_n it_o seem_v to_o i_o that_o the_o say_a earldom_n do_v not_o come_v by_o descent_n to_o the_o heir_n general_a whoever_o that_o be_v for_o it_o clear_o appear_v that_o geva_n have_v it_o not_o and_o randle_n de_fw-fr meschines_n have_v it_o not_o by_o descent_n for_o if_o what_o james_n york_n in_o his_o union_n of_o honour_n p._n 105._o say_v be_v true_a randle_n de_fw-fr meschines_n be_v make_v earl_n by_o grant_n of_o king_n henry_n the_o first_o and_o ordericus_n p._n 876._o tell_v we_o that_o he_o restore_v to_o the_o say_a king_n henry_n all_o the_o land_n which_o he_o have_v by_o his_o wife_n the_o widow_n of_o roger_n de_fw-fr romara_n for_o the_o earldom_n of_o chester_n which_o be_v more_o than_o be_v needful_a for_o he_o to_o do_v if_o he_o have_v a_o good_a title_n thereto_o by_o descent_n and_o whereas_o you_o ask_v i_o why_o may_v i_o think_v that_o the_o king_n though_o he_o give_v it_o to_o randle_n do_v not_o give_v the_o honour_n and_o land_n unto_o he_o as_o in_o who_o be_v the_o great_a right_n to_o have_v it_o and_o do_v say_v that_o to_o this_o i_o give_v no_o answer_n at_o all_o i_o may_v well_o tell_v you_o that_o i_o can_v not_o give_v a_o answer_n until_o you_o do_v ask_v the_o question_n and_o you_o never_o ask_v the_o question_n in_o your_o former_a book_n but_o the_o answer_n which_o i_o shall_v now_o give_v to_o this_o question_n be_v that_o i_o suppose_v king_n in_o such_o case_n do_v that_o which_o to_o they_o seem_v most_o just_a but_o yet_o king_n in_o these_o case_n as_o well_o as_o in_o other_o be_v of_o different_a judgement_n from_o one_o another_o very_o many_o time_n and_o indeed_o the_o very_a same_o prince_n will_v be_v sometime_o of_o one_o mind_n and_o sometime_o of_o another_o mind_n concern_v the_o same_o thing_n and_o thus_o we_o see_v when_o randle_n blundevile_n earl_n of_o chester_n die_v which_o be_v in_o the_o year_n 1232._o king_n henry_n the_o three_o do_v suffer_v the_o four_o sister_n of_o the_o say_a earl_n randle_n who_o be_v of_o the_o whole_a blood_n to_o inherit_v that_o estate_n and_o the_o say_a earldom_n go_v to_o john_n scot_n son_n of_o david_n earl_n of_o huntingdon_n in_o right_a of_o maud_n his_o mother_n the_o elder_a of_o the_o say_v four_o sister_n but_o when_o the_o say_v john_n scot_n die_v which_o be_v in_o the_o year_n 1237_o the_o say_a king_n henry_n the_o three_o will_v not_o suffer_v the_o say_a earldom_n of_o chester_n to_o come_v to_o any_o
the_o word_n liberum_fw-la conjugium_fw-la to_o create_v a_o estate_n of_o inheritance_n as_o well_o as_o the_o word_n liberum_fw-la maritagium_fw-la which_o no_o man_n before_o you_o ever_o say_v whereas_o no_o word_n that_o be_v equipollent_a or_o amount_v to_o as_o much_o can_v do_v it_o it_o be_v impossible_a to_o make_v a_o estate_n in_o free-marriage_n if_o there_o be_v want_v either_o the_o word_n liberum_fw-la or_o the_o word_n maritagium_fw-la also_o as_o the_o word_n in_o libero_fw-la conjugio_fw-la can_v make_v but_o a_o estate_n for_o life_n so_o it_o be_v also_o clear_a that_o in_o your_o deed_n of_o earl_n randle_n to_o ceva_n there_o be_v no_o more_o intend_v than_o a_o estate_n for_o life_n it_o run_v all_o along_o in_o the_o singular_a number_n et_fw-la teneat_fw-la bene_fw-la &_o in_o pace_n etc._n etc._n ut_fw-la melius_fw-la &_o liberius_fw-la tenuit_fw-la and_o it_o be_v likely_a the_o deed_n of_o earl_n hugh_n do_v run_v after_o the_o same_o manner_n by_o that_o expression_n sicuti_fw-la comes_fw-la hughes_n ei_fw-la in_o libero_fw-la conjugio_fw-la dedit_fw-la but_o i_o believe_v the_o basset_n do_v afterward_o enjoy_v the_o say_v land_n though_o how_o or_o by_o virtue_n of_o what_o deed_n i_o be_o not_o able_a to_o declare_v for_o in_o monasticon_fw-la anglicanum_n part_v 1._o p._n 439_o and_o in_o your_o historical_a antiquity_n p._n 113._o but_o misprint_v 121._o i_o find_v geffrey_n ridell_n and_o ralph_n basset_n call_v the_o heir_n of_o the_o say_v geva_n now_o if_o those_o person_n be_v the_o heir_n of_o her_o body_n and_o the_o aforesaid_a deed_n a_o gift_n in_o frankmarriage_n why_o do_v not_o earl_n randle_n confirm_v or_o grant_v those_o land_n to_o her_o heir_n as_o well_o as_o to_o she_o and_o if_o they_o be_v not_o the_o heir_n of_o her_o body_n she_o can_v not_o be_v a_o bastard_n for_o as_o my_o lord_n coke_n on_o littleton_n fol._n 3._o b._n tell_v you_o a_o bastard_z can_v have_v no_o heir_n but_o of_o his_o own_o body_n and_o whereas_o i_o bring_v another_o argument_n to_o prove_v that_o this_o gift_n of_o geva_n can_v not_o be_v a_o gift_n in_o frankmarriage_n because_o my_o lord_n coke_n say_v that_o one_o of_o the_o thing_n incident_a to_o a_o frankmarriage_n be_v that_o the_o donee_n shall_v hold_v free_o of_o the_o donour_n till_o the_o four_o degree_n be_v past_a which_o can_v be_v in_o geva_n case_n because_o there_o be_v no_o donee_n but_o one_o donee_n only_o and_o the_o estate_n can_v not_o continue_v until_o the_o four_o degree_n be_v past_a because_o it_o be_v only_o for_o geva_n life_n you_o tell_v i_o that_o my_o lord_n coke_n upon_o littleton_n fol._n 21._o b._n cit_v peter_n saltmarch_n case_n and_o fitz-herbert_n de_fw-fr natura_fw-la brevium_fw-la fol._n 172._o that_o land_n may_v be_v give_v by_o a_o man_n to_o his_o son_n in_o free-marriage_n and_o why_o not_o to_o his_o daughter_n alone_o in_o free-marriage_n but_o i_o pray_v you_o how_o can_v there_o be_v a_o gift_n in_o free-marriage_n if_o there_o be_v no_o marriage_n at_o all_o and_o how_o can_v there_o be_v a_o marriage_n if_o the_o man_n or_o woman_n be_v alone_o but_o you_o misunderstand_v this_o place_n as_o you_o do_v many_o other_o for_o my_o lord_n coke_n if_o you_o observe_v he_o well_o do_v not_o there_o say_v that_o such_o a_o gift_n can_v be_v make_v with_o a_o man_n alone_o or_o with_o a_o woman_n alone_o but_o there_o tell_v you_o that_o a_o gift_n in_o free-marriage_n may_v be_v either_o to_o a_o man_n with_o a_o woman_n or_o as_o some_o have_v hold_v to_o a_o woman_n with_o a_o man_n and_o for_o proof_n thereof_o cite_v peter_n saltmarsh_n his_o case_n and_o fitz-herbert_n and_o this_o be_v no_o more_o than_o what_o i_o say_v in_o the_o 49_o page_n of_o my_o former_a book_n where_o i_o also_o show_v you_o how_o bracton_n do_v therewith_o accord_n but_o there_o be_v none_o of_o they_o that_o say_v as_o you_o do_v that_o land_n may_v be_v give_v in_o frankmarriage_n to_o a_o man_n without_o a_o woman_n or_o to_o a_o woman_n without_o a_o man._n in_o your_o 48_o &_o 49_o page_n you_o will_v willing_o persuade_v the_o reader_n that_o earl_n randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la father_n to_o earl_n hugh_n cyveliok_v be_v marry_v by_o robert_n earl_n of_o gloucester_n unto_o maude_n his_o daughter_n thereby_o to_o draw_v he_o to_o the_o part_n of_o queen_n maude_n his_o sister_n about_o the_o very_a year_n 1139._o before_o which_o time_n we_o find_v no_o mention_n in_o our_o ancient_a historian_n of_o randle_n act_v against_o king_n stephen_n but_o in_o that_o very_a year_n we_o do_v and_o then_o by_o some_o of_o they_o style_v son-in-law_n to_o the_o earl_n of_o gloucester_n but_o i_o pray_v you_o why_o be_v it_o not_o full_a as_o likely_a that_o before_o that_o time_n randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la be_v marry_v to_o the_o daughter_n of_o the_o say_a earl_n of_o gloucester_n and_o thereby_o be_v the_o more_o easy_o draw_v to_o that_o party_n to_o which_o he_o stand_v so_o near_o relate_v as_o that_o that_o match_n shall_v be_v make_v purposely_o to_o draw_v he_o to_o that_o party_n and_o how_o can_v you_o hear_v much_o of_o that_o earl_n randle_n act_n against_o king_n stephen_n before_o the_o year_n 1139_o see_v gervasius_n a_o benedictine_n monk_n of_o canterbury_n who_o live_v in_o the_o reign_n of_o king_n john_n tell_v we_o in_o his_o chronicle_n or_o annal_n col_fw-fr 1345._o l._n 60._o that_o it_o be_v in_o the_o year_n 1138_o when_o robert_n earl_n of_o gloucester_n do_v begin_v to_o quarrel_v with_o the_o say_a king_n stephen_n and_o whereas_o you_o yet_o seem_v unsatisfy_v that_o earl_n hugh_n be_v of_o such_o a_o age_n as_o probable_o to_o have_v have_v another_o wife_n before_o bertred_n and_o do_v now_o say_v p._n 49._o if_o we_o reckon_v by_o utmost_a possibility_n that_o earl_n hugh_n can_v not_o possible_o be_v above_o sixteen_o or_o seventeen_o year_n old_a than_o bertred_n i_o do_v very_o much_o wonder_v thereat_o see_v i_o have_v former_o from_o the_o argument_n which_o you_o use_v to_o prove_v it_o to_o be_v otherways_o make_v it_o manifest_v that_o he_o may_v possible_o be_v several_a year_n above_o double_a her_o age_n and_o that_o so_o clear_o that_o i_o be_o confident_a no_o man_n beside_o yourself_o will_v offer_v to_o deny_v the_o same_o for_o i_o then_o tell_v you_o that_o whether_o the_o marriage_n of_o robert_n earl_n of_o gloucester_n with_o mabill_n daughter_n and_o heir_n of_o robert_n fitz-hamon_n be_v according_a to_o selden_n in_o the_o year_n 1109._o or_o according_a to_o stow_n in_o the_o year_n 1110._o the_o say_v mabill_n may_v have_v maude_n her_o second_o daughter_n in_o the_o year_n 1112_o which_o maude_n if_o she_o be_v marry_v to_o earl_n randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la in_o the_o year_n 1128_o when_o she_o be_v sixteen_o year_n of_o age_n may_v have_v her_o son_n hugh_n cyvelick_n in_o the_o year_n 1129._o which_o if_o true_a the_o say_a earl_n hugh_n be_v fifty_o two_o year_n old_a at_o his_o death_n for_o he_o die_v in_o the_o year_n 1181_o and_o if_o so_o than_o he_o be_v four_o year_n above_o twice_o the_o age_n of_o bertred_n for_o she_o be_v but_o twenty_o four_o year_n old_a when_o the_o say_a earl_n hugh_n die_v as_o appear_v rot._n de_fw-fr dominabus_fw-la pveris_fw-la etc._n etc._n in_o scacc._n penes_fw-la remem_fw-la r._n sub_fw-la tit._n linc._n rot._n 1._o and_o it_o be_v certain_a that_o the_o say_a earl_n hugh_n be_v earl_n of_o chester_n about_o four_o year_n before_o his_o wife_n bertred_n be_v bear_v beside_o what_o age_n he_o be_v of_o when_o his_o father_n die_v and_o his_o daughter_n amicia_n be_v marry_v in_o his_o life_n time_n and_o none_o know_v how_o many_o year_n before_o his_o death_n and_o if_o the_o marriage_n of_o the_o say_v robert_n earl_n of_o gloucester_n with_o the_o say_v mabill_n be_v in_o the_o year_n 1109._o then_o he_o may_v possible_o be_v five_o year_n above_o double_a the_o age_n of_o his_o wife_n bertred_n and_o this_o be_v the_o more_o likely_a to_o be_v true_a because_o though_o mr._n selden_n be_v a_o late_a writer_n than_o mr._n stow_n be_v yet_o mr._n selden_n cite_v one_o that_o live_v long_o before_o mr._n stow_n as_o will_v appear_v by_o the_o old_a english_a rithmical_a story_n attribute_v to_o one_o robert_n of_o gloucester_n and_o recite_v in_o the_o 647._o page_z of_o mr._n selden'_v title_n of_o honour_n in_o your_o answer_n pag._n 50_o 51_o 52_o &_o 53._o you_o endeavour_v to_o weaken_v the_o three_o and_o four_o reason_n which_o be_v bring_v as_o concurrent_a proof_n on_o the_o behalf_n of_o amicia_n by_o say_v that_o hugh_n cyveliok_v his_o wife_n be_v a_o witness_n to_o her_o husband_n deed_n which_o a_o wife_n can_v now_o be_v she_o be_v not_o
capable_a to_o be_v a_o witness_n either_o for_o or_o against_o her_o husband_n whereby_o you_o will_v insinuate_v a_o change_n of_o the_o law_n in_o that_o particular_a from_o what_o it_o be_v former_o and_o you_o also_o say_v that_o if_o hugh_n cyveliok_v have_v have_v a_o former_a wife_n sure_a ralph_n mainwaring_n will_v have_v call_v his_o daughter_n after_o she_o and_o not_o after_o the_o then_o countess_n and_o you_o there_o make_v nothing_o of_o roger_n mainwaring_n calling_n randle_n earl_n of_o chester_n and_o lincoln_n his_o uncle_n in_o a_o deed_n nor_o of_o henry_n de_fw-fr audley_n be_v a_o witness_n to_o the_o deed_n of_o randle_n earl_n of_o chester_n and_o lincoln_n and_o of_o robert_n de_fw-fr ferrars_n which_o late_a you_o say_v be_v far_o fetch_v nor_o of_o ralph_n mainwaring_n and_o roger_n mainwaring_n be_v witness_n to_o so_o many_o deed_n of_o those_o that_o be_v earl_n of_o chester_n in_o their_o time_n but_o to_o these_o thing_n i_o say_v that_o the_o law_n be_v still_o the_o same_o as_o it_o be_v former_o in_o the_o particular_a by_o you_o here_o mention_v for_o both_o ancient_o and_o at_o this_o day_n also_o i_o know_v nothing_o that_o hinder_v but_o that_o the_o wife_n may_v subscribe_v as_o a_o witness_n to_o a_o deed_n which_o her_o husband_n do_v make_v and_o though_o she_o neither_o ancient_o can_v nor_o yet_o can_v be_v a_o witness_n for_o or_o against_o her_o husband_n yet_o there_o be_v this_o use_n of_o it_o that_o if_o the_o wife_n survive_v her_o husband_n and_o it_o come_v to_o be_v controvert_v among_o other_o party_n whether_o such_o a_o deed_n be_v seal_v by_o he_o or_o not_o she_o in_o the_o time_n of_o her_o widowhood_n may_v be_v a_o good_a witness_n for_o the_o prove_v of_o the_o same_o and_o as_o to_o the_o call_n of_o sir_n ralph_n mainwaring_n daughter_n by_o the_o name_n of_o bertred_n after_o the_o present_a countess_n and_o not_o after_o the_o name_n of_o hugh_n cyveliok_n first_o wife_n that_o be_v no_o wonder_n at_o all_o it_o be_v more_o ordinary_a to_o call_v daughter_n after_o their_o godmother_n name_n than_o after_o the_o name_n of_o their_o own_o grandmother_n and_o especial_o when_o the_o godmother_n be_v of_o great_a quality_n now_o the_o say_a amicia_n daughter_n be_v call_v bertred_n which_o be_v a_o very_a unusual_a name_n it_o be_v more_o than_o probable_a according_a to_o what_o you_o express_v to_o i_o under_o your_o hand_n in_o april_n 1664._o that_o bertred_n the_o countess_n be_v godmother_n to_o the_o say_v bertred_n mainwaring_n and_o if_o so_o it_o be_v very_o unlikely_a that_o amicia_n be_v illegitimate_a for_o wife_n be_v seldom_o godmother_n to_o their_o husband_n bastard_n or_o to_o the_o child_n of_o such_o bastard_n also_o sir_n ralph_n mainwaring_n and_o sir_n roger_n mainwaring_n and_o henry_n de_fw-fr audley_n the_o sou-in-law_n of_o the_o say_a sir_n ralph_n mainwaring_n be_v so_o often_o witness_n to_o the_o deed_n of_o the_o earl_n of_o chester_n and_o to_o the_o deed_n of_o their_o very_a near_a relation_n do_v certain_o show_v there_o be_v then_o a_o very_a great_a and_o constant_a intimacy_n betwixt_o the_o say_a family_n and_o though_o you_o pretend_v that_o sir_n ralph_n mainwaring_n be_v very_o conversant_a with_o the_o earl_n because_o he_o be_v judge_n and_o therefore_o come_v so_o often_o to_o be_v a_o witness_n and_o say_v that_o we_o may_v find_v the_o like_a number_n of_o charter_n or_o more_o to_o which_o philip_n orreby_n judge_n of_o chester_n be_v witness_v in_o like_a nature_n i_o conceive_v that_o you_o be_v deceive_v therein_o although_o philip_n orreby_n be_v judge_n of_o chester_n perhaps_o long_o than_o sir_n ralph_n mainwaring_n be_v for_o i_o do_v believe_v that_o i_o can_v make_v it_o to_o appear_v by_o what_o deed_n i_o have_v and_o what_o deed_n i_o have_v see_v of_o other_o that_o sir_n ralph_n maeinwaring_n and_o his_o son_n sir_n roger_n mainwaring_n be_v witness_n to_o more_o deed_n of_o hugh_n cyveliok_n and_o randle_n blundevil_n than_o any_o other_o person_n of_o any_o one_o family_n be_v add_v hereunto_o which_o i_o have_v in_o my_o former_a book_n mention_v that_o sir_n roger_n mainwaring_n in_o a_o deed_n of_o his_o own_o call_v randle_n earl_n of_o chester_n and_o lincoln_n his_o uncle_n and_o how_o i_o do_v there_o observe_v that_o though_o the_o writer_n of_o history_n do_v sometime_o give_v to_o bastard_n the_o name_n of_o cousin_n brother_n uncle_n son_n and_o daughter_n i_o do_v believe_v you_o can_v hardly_o find_v any_o one_o that_o you_o can_v certain_o prove_v to_o be_v a_o bastard_n or_o the_o son_n of_o a_o bastard_n that_o do_v presume_v in_o a_o deed_n to_o call_v so_o great_a a_o person_n as_o the_o earl_n of_o chester_n be_v his_o brother_n or_o uncle_n unless_o he_o come_v to_o be_v a_o very_a great_a person_n himself_o and_o this_o be_v so_o true_a that_o in_o the_o 53_o page_n you_o be_v force_v to_o confess_v that_o such_o precedent_n be_v scant_o but_o yet_o you_o think_v you_o have_v find_v one_o viz._n randle_n de_fw-fr estbury_n or_o astbury_n who_o in_o a_o deed_n mention_v in_o the_o addenda_fw-la of_o your_o historical_a antiquity_n be_v call_v the_o earl_n of_o chester_n be_v nephew_n and_o be_v put_v the_o last_o of_o all_o the_o witness_n and_o be_v certain_o but_o a_o ordinary_a gentleman_n nor_o knight_n nor_o lord_n but_o this_o precedent_n will_v fail_v you_o for_o two_o reason_n first_o because_o you_o do_v as_o good_a as_o confess_v that_o you_o can_v prove_v he_o to_o be_v a_o bastard_n and_o he_o may_v perhaps_o be_v a_o young_a brother_n or_o son_n of_o a_o young_a brother_n and_o so_o not_o necessary_o a_o knight_n or_o a_o lord_n and_o second_o because_o he_o do_v not_o call_v himself_o the_o earl_n nephew_n but_o be_v call_v so_o by_o other_o and_o that_o be_v so_o far_o from_o contradict_v that_o it_o do_v confirm_v what_o i_o say_v in_o my_o former_a book_n also_o if_o you_o observe_v it_o there_o be_v no_o witness_n to_o the_o say_a deed_n beside_o the_o say_a randle_n de_fw-fr astbury_n except_o david_n de_fw-fr malpas_n who_o i_o conceive_v be_v baron_n of_o malpas_n and_o william_n his_o son_n and_o whereas_o you_o say_v you_o shall_v be_v glad_a to_o find_v out_o the_o extraction_n of_o the_o say_v randle_n de_fw-fr astbury_n if_o he_o be_v not_o a_o bastard_n though_o it_o be_v perhaps_o impossible_a now_o to_o tell_v you_o his_o extraction_n certain_o because_o he_o live_v so_o long_o since_o and_o we_o only_o find_v he_o mention_v as_o a_o witness_n in_o one_o deed_n yet_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o to_o satisfy_v the_o reader_n that_o he_o and_o his_o father_n and_o mother_n may_v all_o be_v legitimate_a for_o not_o to_o say_v that_o he_o may_v be_v a_o son_n of_o some_o other_o daughter_n of_o the_o say_v hugh_n cyveliok_v by_o his_o former_a wife_n he_o may_v possible_o be_v the_o son_n of_o roger_n son_n of_o hugh_n cyveliok_v and_o i_o know_v no_o great_a reason_n why_o the_o say_v roger_n shall_v by_o you_o be_v suspect_v to_o be_v a_o bastard_n for_o you_o only_o find_v he_o as_o appear_v by_o your_o historical_a antiquity_n p._n 134._o and_o in_o my_o first_o book_n p._n 1_o mention_v as_o a_o witness_n to_o a_o deed_n of_o his_o brother_n randle_n be_v to_o the_o abbey_n of_o saint_n werburge_n so_o that_o you_o conceive_v he_o to_o be_v a_o bastard_n because_o neither_o he_o nor_o any_o issue-male_a of_o his_o succeed_v in_o the_o earldom_n of_o chester_n after_o the_o death_n of_o randle_n blundevil_n whereas_o the_o say_v roger_n may_v be_v lawful_a and_o be_v father_n to_o this_o randle_n de_fw-fr astbury_n and_o yet_o both_o he_o and_o the_o say_v randle_n de_fw-fr astbury_n may_v die_v before_o the_o say_a randle_n the_o blundevil_n for_o he_o live_v very_o long_o and_o be_v earl_n of_o chester_n above_o fifty_o year_n also_o it_o be_v very_o strange_a if_o amicia_n be_v a_o bastard_n and_o the_o father_n or_o mother_n of_o the_o say_v randle_n de_fw-fr astbury_n be_v also_o a_o bastard_n that_o those_o bastard_n can_v find_v none_o to_o call_v their_o child_n after_o but_o the_o than_o countess_n and_o the_o than_o earl_n for_o the_o daughter_n of_o amicia_n be_v call_v bertred_n after_o randle_n blundevill_n mother_n and_o randle_n de_fw-fr astbury_n be_v of_o the_o same_o name_n with_o the_o say_a earl_n but_o admit_v that_o the_o say_v roger_n be_v a_o bastard_n why_o may_v not_o randle_n de_fw-fr astbury_n however_o be_v his_o son_n and_o then_o what_o necessity_n of_o what_o you_o say_v in_o your_o addenda_fw-la of_o either_o find_v out_o another_o base_a son_n or_o another_o base_a daughter_n of_o the_o say_v hugh_n cyveliok_v but_o you_o have_v be_v very_o willing_a to_o charge_v
of_o the_o son_n of_o any_o of_o the_o sister_n of_o the_o say_v john_n scot_n though_o he_o have_v before_o permit_v it_o to_o come_v to_o the_o son_n of_o the_o elder_a sister_n of_o the_o say_v randle_n blundevile_n and_o whereas_o you_o say_v that_o if_o geva_n have_v be_v but_o of_o the_o half-blood_n she_o will_v by_o all_o probability_n have_v busle_v hard_o for_o so_o great_a a_o estate_n in_o those_o age_n before_o she_o have_v lose_v it_o i_o do_v wonder_n very_o much_o at_o what_o you_o say_v because_o any_o cousin_n that_o be_v of_o the_o whole_a blood_n how_o many_o degree_n soever_o the_o distance_n be_v will_v inherit_v at_o law_n before_o a_o brother_n or_o sister_n that_o be_v but_o of_o the_o half-blood_n and_o whereas_o you_o say_v i_o be_o come_v to_o a_o excellent_a way_n of_o argue_v by_o if_n and_o and_n and_o possibility_n by_o which_o mean_v answer_n may_v be_v make_v to_o any_o thing_n even_o to_o eternity_n i_o do_v not_o offer_v from_o those_o kind_n of_o argument_n or_o answer_n to_o determine_v any_o thing_n certain_o but_o only_o make_v use_n of_o they_o to_o show_v the_o uncertainty_n of_o several_a thing_n which_o you_o urge_v but_o you_o pretend_v certainty_n from_o such_o kind_n of_o argument_n and_o particular_o in_o this_o case_n of_o amicia_n for_o all_o the_o reason_n which_o you_o alleadg_n against_o she_o will_v not_o prove_v she_o to_o be_v a_o bastard_n if_o those_o argument_n that_o be_v bring_v on_o her_o behalf_n be_v all_o lay_v aside_o in_o your_o answer_n to_o my_o defence_n of_o amicia_n p._n 42_o &_o 43._o you_o again_o cavil_v with_o i_o without_o any_o just_a cause_n and_o say_v that_o the_o case_n that_o i_o do_v there_o put_v come_v as_o near_o to_o the_o case_n of_o geva_n as_o a_o apple_n to_o a_o oyster_n but_o whether_o it_o be_v so_o as_o you_o say_v let_v the_o reader_n judge_n in_o your_o historical_a antiquity_n p._n 136._o which_o word_n of_o you_o be_v also_o in_o the_o 10_o &_o 11_o page_n of_o my_o defence_n of_o amicia_n you_o have_v these_o word_n viz._n and_o howbeit_o many_o earldom_n have_v descend_v to_o the_o heir_n male_n and_o not_o to_o the_o heir_n general_a yet_o in_o this_o case_n be_v no_o heir_n male_a but_o two_o female_n a_o aunt_n legitimate_a who_o have_v it_o and_o a_o sister_n not_o legitimate_a and_o show_v i_o a_o precedent_n wherever_o the_o heir_n of_o a_o aunt_n inherit_v before_o the_o heir_n of_o a_o sister_n both_o legal_o bear_v and_o no_o heires-male_a leave_v unless_o in_o case_n of_o forfeiture_n by_o treason_n or_o some_o other_o great_a cause_n to_o hinder_v the_o same_o from_o these_o word_n of_o you_o i_o do_v not_o offer_v to_o raise_v any_o cavil_n by_o tell_v you_o that_o though_o honour_n or_o land_n may_v be_v give_v to_o any_o person_n whatsoever_o by_o those_o who_o have_v power_n to_o dispose_v of_o the_o same_o that_o yet_o they_o can_v proper_o be_v say_v to_o descend_v to_o any_o but_o to_o the_o next_o heir_n and_o therefore_o in_o point_n of_o descent_n it_o be_v impossible_a that_o any_o one_o that_o be_v further_o off_o shall_v be_v prefer_v before_o another_o that_o be_v near_a neither_o do_v i_o tell_v you_o how_o you_o do_v name_v a_o aunt_n legitimate_a in_o stead_n of_o the_o son_n of_o a_o aunt_n legitimate_a that_o have_v it_o but_o i_o suppose_v as_o i_o think_v any_o other_o will_v have_v do_v from_o these_o word_n of_o you_o that_o your_o meaning_n be_v that_o randle_n de_fw-fr meschines_n must_v needs_o have_v more_o right_a to_o succeed_v in_o that_o earldom_n of_o chester_n than_o geva_n have_v because_o the_o say_a randle_n do_v enjoy_v the_o same_o and_o that_o you_o think_v it_o to_o be_v very_o clear_a that_o whensoever_o there_o be_v no_o heirs-male_a leave_v if_o the_o honour_n go_v to_o any_o of_o the_o kindred_n the_o king_n do_v always_o prefer_v that_o person_n who_o be_v next_o of_o blood_n to_o it_o except_o in_o case_n of_o treason_n or_o the_o like_a and_o do_v thereupon_o desire_v i_o to_o show_v you_o a_o precedent_n to_o the_o contrary_a if_o i_o so_o can_v and_o you_o instance_v in_o the_o earldom_n and_o not_o in_o the_o land_n i_o do_v thereupon_o show_v you_o where_o one_o that_o be_v a_o baron_n by_o writ_n dye_v without_o heir_n male_a leave_v two_o sister_n only_o and_o the_o baronry_n come_v to_o the_o husband_n of_o the_o young_a sister_n and_o not_o to_o the_o husband_n of_o the_o elder_a sister_n it_o be_v the_o pleasure_n of_o the_o king_n to_o call_v sir_n hunt_n bourcher_n who_o have_v marry_v the_o young_a sister_n to_o the_o parliament_n and_o not_o to_o call_v sir_n thomas_n nevil_n who_o have_v marry_v the_o elder_a sister_n and_o if_o this_o be_v not_o a_o like_a case_n to_o that_o of_o geva_n and_o earl_n randle_n if_o geva_n be_v legitimate_a i_o be_o still_o very_o much_o mistake_v and_o whereas_o you_o now_o demand_v of_o i_o if_o geva_n be_v legitimate_a why_o the_o land_n of_o richard_n earl_n of_o chester_n do_v not_o come_v to_o she_o whatever_o the_o earldom_n do_v though_o i_o can_v give_v you_o the_o certain_a reason_n because_o the_o thing_n be_v do_v so_o long_o since_o yet_o i_o can_v show_v you_o several_a possibility_n why_o they_o may_v not_o for_o either_o it_o may_v be_v the_o will_n and_o pleasure_n of_o the_o then_o king_n that_o randle_n de_fw-fr meschines_n shall_v have_v the_o estate_n as_o well_o as_o earldom_n and_o that_o geva_n shall_v have_v recompense_n make_v she_o some_o other_o way_n as_o the_o sister_n of_o john_n scot_n earl_n of_o chester_n in_o the_o like_a case_n afterward_o have_v or_o perhaps_o she_o may_v be_v of_o the_o half-blood_n to_o earl_n richard_n and_o randle_n de_fw-fr meschines_n be_v heir_n at_o law_n before_o she_o or_o perhaps_o the_o say_a ear_n i_o richard_n have_v a_o great_a kindness_n for_o the_o say_a earl_n randle_n than_o he_o have_v for_o geva_n there_o be_v sometime_o great_a unkindness_n betwixt_o brother_n and_o sister_n may_v give_v his_o estate_n to_o the_o say_v randle_n de_fw-fr meschines_n those_o argument_n of_o i_o which_o you_o mention_v p._n 44._o and_o be_v pretend_v to_o be_v answer_v by_o you_o pag._n 45_o 46_o &_o 47._o remain_v yet_o in_o their_o great_a strength_n and_o be_v not_o at_o all_o answer_v by_o you_o nay_o the_o one_o of_o they_o be_v so_o far_o from_o be_v answer_v that_o it_o be_v not_o understand_v by_o you_o unless_o you_o only_o pretend_v not_o to_o understand_v it_o because_o you_o perceive_v you_o can_v give_v a_o answer_n to_o it_o and_o i_o rather_o think_v that_o to_o be_v the_o truth_n of_o the_o case_n because_o you_o have_v not_o recite_v my_o argument_n as_o i_o do_v express_v it_o for_o you_o recite_v it_o thus_o because_o coke_n upon_o littleton_n foe_n 21._o b._n tell_v we_o that_o these_o word_n in_o liberum_fw-la maritaginm_fw-la be_v word_n of_o art_n and_o so_o be_v necessary_o require_v and_o there_o you_o break_v off_o abrupt_o whereas_o i_o tell_v you_o that_o the_o deed_n which_o you_o allege_v to_o be_v make_v to_o geva_n will_v not_o at_o all_o concern_n amicia_n if_o geva_n be_v a_o bastard_n because_o it_o be_v no_o gift_n in_o frankmarriage_n as_o that_o gift_n to_o amicia_n be_v and_o for_o a_o proof_n thereof_o i_o tell_v you_o that_o my_o lord_n coke_n upon_o littleton_n in_o the_o place_n abovesaid_a do_v tell_v you_o that_o these_o word_n in_o liberum_fw-la maritagium_fw-la be_v such_o word_n of_o art_n and_o so_o necessary_o require_v in_o these_o kind_n of_o gift_n as_o they_o can_v be_v express_v by_o word_n equipollent_a or_o amount_v to_o as_o much_o and_o he_o also_o there_o give_v you_o the_o reason_n which_o be_v that_o these_o word_n in_o liberum_fw-la maritagium_fw-la do_v create_v a_o estate_n of_o inheritance_n against_o the_o general_a rule_n of_o the_o law_n and_o therefore_o the_o law_n require_v that_o it_o shall_v be_v legal_o pursue_v and_o to_o explain_v this_o he_o also_o say_v that_o if_o a_o man_n give_v land_n to_o another_o with_o his_o daughter_n in_o connubio_fw-la soluto_fw-la ab_fw-la omni_fw-la servitio_fw-la etc._n etc._n yet_o there_o pass_v in_o this_o case_n but_o a_o estate_n for_o life_n for_o although_o those_o word_n be_v the_o same_o in_o sense_n as_o the_o word_n in_o libero_fw-la maritagio_fw-la be_v yet_o be_v not_o the_o very_a same_o word_n they_o do_v not_o create_v a_o estate_n of_o inheritance_n but_o you_o contrary_a to_o all_o this_o will_v not_o believe_v my_o lord_n coke_n if_o he_o shall_v have_v say_v that_o the_o word_n in_o libero_fw-la conjugio_fw-la do_v make_v but_o a_o estate_n for_o life_n which_o he_o have_v indeed_o by_o consequence_n say_v but_o you_o will_v have_v
and_o say_v that_o randle_n blundevil_n make_v that_o deed_n which_o can_v be_v because_o those_o witness_n as_o appear_v before_o do_v live_v in_o the_o time_n of_o randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la and_o not_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o say_v randle_n blundevil_n they_o be_v no_o witness_n at_o any_o time_n to_o any_o deed_n of_o randle_n blundevils_n that_o i_o can_v find_v although_o he_o be_v earl_n of_o chester_n above_o fifty_o year_n so_o that_o nothing_o can_v possible_o be_v more_o clear_a than_o this_o be_v as_o to_o the_o word_n asperse_v which_o you_o fault_n i_o for_o use_v i_o do_v not_o apprehend_v that_o it_o signify_v a_o malicious_a seek_v to_o throw_v dirt_n in_o another_o face_n unjust_o for_o to_o asperse_v proper_o signify_v but_o to_o besprinkle_v with_o which_o malice_n will_v seldom_o rest_v satisfy_v and_o i_o will_v do_v you_o this_o right_n to_o declare_v that_o i_o believe_v it_o be_v not_o malice_n but_o a_o desire_n to_o divulge_v your_o suppose_a new_a discovery_n which_o occasion_v you_o thus_o to_o do_v that_o way_n of_o argue_v which_o you_o use_v in_o the_o 57_o page_n be_v very_o odd_a for_o because_o you_o suppose_v the_o respondent_fw-la will_v deny_v your_o minor_n you_o will_v have_v he_o give_v over_o answer_v and_o turn_v opponent_n and_o so_o endeavour_v to_o disprove_v what_o you_o ought_v to_o prove_v but_o what_o you_o say_v page_z 58._o that_o you_o have_v prove_v amicia_n to_o be_v a_o bastard_n unless_o hugh_n cyveliok_v have_v a_o former_a wife_n and_o also_o page_n 59_o that_n if_o he_o have_v no_o other_o wife_n but_o bertred_n and_o she_o no_o daughter_n to_o bertred_n then_o certain_o if_o she_o be_v a_o daughter_n and_o so_o call_v she_o must_v needs_o be_v a_o bastard_n be_v undoubted_o true_a for_o amicia_n must_v needs_o be_v a_o bastard_n unless_o she_o be_v legitimate_a you_o grant_v in_o your_o 59_o page_n that_o my_o prove_v amicia_n to_o be_v call_v a_o daughter_n so_o long_o since_o she_o ought_v to_o be_v presume_v legitimate_a till_o the_o contrary_n appear_v but_o why_o therefore_o do_v not_o you_o presume_v she_o so_o to_o be_v and_o though_o you_o pretend_v there_o be_v many_o strong_a reason_n to_o the_o contrary_a yet_o i_o have_v show_v the_o invalidity_n of_o they_o all_o and_o therefore_o what_o i_o have_v former_o say_v stand_v good_a and_o be_v to_o the_o point_n viz._n that_o the_o prove_v that_o she_o be_v not_o by_o bertred_n do_v not_o prove_v that_o she_o be_v a_o bastard_n but_o only_o prove_v that_o she_o be_v either_o a_o bastard_n or_o by_o a_o former_a wife_n and_o as_o to_o what_o you_o alleadg_n page_n 60._o that_o though_o the_o law_n allow_v not_o this_o in_o plead_n what_o hinder_v but_o bastardy_n may_v be_v prove_v by_o history_n or_o argumentation_n after_o the_o party_n death_n as_o supppose_v in_o a_o register-book_n you_o find_v such_o a_o bastard_n christen_v one_o hundred_o year_n ago_o may_v not_o you_o just_o call_v that_o person_n a_o bastard_n who_o you_o find_v so_o register_v i_o do_v answer_n and_o say_v that_o even_o in_o that_o case_n though_o it_o be_v good_a proof_n that_o there_o be_v then_o a_o bastard_n of_o that_o name_n yet_o if_o in_o any_o deed_n or_o otherways_o in_o the_o same_o age_n you_o find_v one_o of_o that_o name_n you_o be_v not_o to_o be_v too_o positive_a that_o that_o man_n be_v that_o bastard_n because_o there_o may_v be_v more_o person_n than_o one_o of_o the_o same_o name_n who_o father_n may_v also_o be_v of_o the_o same_o name_v each_o with_o other_o and_o though_o these_o mistake_n may_v easy_o be_v clear_v by_o the_o party_n concern_v whilst_o he_o be_v alive_a yet_o it_o may_v be_v difficult_a sometime_o to_o do_v it_o after_o he_o be_v dead_a and_o that_o be_v as_o i_o suppose_v one_o reason_n why_o the_o law_n give_v no_o liberty_n to_o prove_v bastardy_n against_o any_o man_n after_o his_o death_n but_o the_o case_n of_o the_o child_n of_o john_n of_o gaunt_n by_o katherine_n swynford_n be_v not_o like_a to_o this_o case_n for_o you_o certain_o know_v that_o they_o be_v bear_v bastard_n but_o afterward_o legitimate_a and_o i_o think_v after_o their_o legitimation_n they_o may_v have_v have_v the_o same_o remedy_n against_o any_o that_o do_v call_v they_o bastard_n that_o person_n lawful_o bear_v may_v have_v whereas_o i_o tell_v you_o out_o of_o sir_n henry_n spelman_n that_o in_o case_n of_o honour_n and_o profit_n by_o the_o custom_n of_o normandy_n appellatione_fw-la filiorum_fw-la non_fw-la comprehenduntur_fw-la bastardi_fw-la you_o answer_v and_o say_v that_o in_o other_o case_n and_o former_o by_o the_o appellation_n of_o son_n bastard_n be_v comprehend_v and_o that_o this_o make_v direct_o against_o i_o but_o how_o this_o make_v against_o i_o in_o what_o case_n soever_o bastard_n be_v former_o comprehend_v by_o the_o appellation_n of_o son_n and_o daughter_n if_o they_o be_v not_o comprehend_v in_o case_n of_o honour_n and_o profit_n i_o can_v tell_v see_v that_o amicia_n be_v call_v a_o daughter_n and_o that_o in_o a_o case_n of_o so_o great_a profit_n that_o you_o will_v needs_o have_v it_o to_o be_v her_o whole_a portion_n and_o whereas_o you_o mention_v the_o next_o word_n of_o spelman_n viz._n that_o the_o ancient_a northern_a people_n admit_v bastard_n to_o succeed_v in_o their_o inheritance_n and_o that_o william_n the_o conqueror_n be_v not_o ashamed_a of_o that_o title_n who_o begin_v his_o letter_n to_o alan_n earl_n of_o little-britaine_n as_o he_o do_v many_o other_o ego_fw-la willielmus_fw-la cognomento_fw-la bastardus_fw-la i_o do_v not_o know_v how_o you_o can_v apply_v those_o expression_n to_o the_o case_n in_o hand_n and_o if_o you_o can_v they_o will_v make_v against_o you_o for_o when_o bastard_n child_n be_v so_o much_o esteem_v as_o to_o be_v admit_v to_o succeed_v in_o the_o inheritance_n then_o certain_o illegitimate_a daughter_n will_v have_v great_a portion_n as_o well_o as_o those_o that_o be_v legitimate_a and_o why_o shall_v not_o amicia_n if_o she_o be_v a_o bastard_n be_v so_o call_v as_o well_o as_o paganus_fw-la be_v who_o as_o you_o say_v be_v the_o son_n of_o hugh_n cyveliok_n or_o why_o shall_v hugh_n cyveliok_v himself_o be_v more_o ashamed_a to_o call_v she_o so_o than_o william_n the_o conqueror_n be_v to_o style_v himself_o a_o bastard_n what_o else_o you_o have_v say_v page_n 61_o 62_o &_o 63._o have_v be_v say_v over_o and_o over_o again_o by_o you_o and_o have_v former_o receive_v a_o full_a answer_n in_o the_o 64_o &_o 65_o page_n you_o recite_v and_o endeavour_v to_o fortify_v a_o argument_n of_o i_o which_o i_o bring_v not_o as_o a_o good_a argument_n but_o compare_v it_o to_o one_o of_o you_o to_o show_v the_o invalidity_n thereof_o neither_o do_v i_o at_o all_o doubt_n but_o that_o william_n randle_n and_o wydo_n son_n of_o the_o aforesaid_a roger_n mainwaring_n be_v all_o legitimate_a it_o be_v good_a proof_n thereof_o that_o in_o so_o ancient_a a_o record_n they_o be_v all_o three_o call_v son_n of_o the_o say_v roger_n but_o i_o show_v you_o by_o the_o rule_n by_o which_o you_o go_v viz._n that_o none_o shall_v be_v believe_v lawful_a unless_o we_o can_v direct_o and_o in_o terminis_fw-la prove_v their_o father_n to_o be_v marry_v that_o the_o say_v william_n randle_n and_o uvido_z and_o most_o person_n that_o live_v in_o the_o first_o and_o second_o century_n may_v be_v conclude_v to_o be_v bastard_n and_o though_o you_o tell_v i_o that_o i_o here_o argue_v well_o which_o must_v needs_o be_v because_o this_o argument_n of_o i_o be_v so_o like_a to_o you_o and_o that_o you_o will_v say_v to_o my_o minor_n that_o roger_n have_v a_o wife_n though_o we_o yet_o know_v not_o who_o she_o be_v and_o that_o this_o appear_v certain_o because_o the_o land_n descend_v from_o heir_n to_o heir_n and_o that_o you_o tell_v i_o how_o you_o will_v frame_v your_o affirmative_a part_n more_o formal_o yet_o in_o stead_n of_o try_v whether_o you_o can_v in_o terminis_fw-la prove_v which_o by_o this_o your_o rule_n you_o ought_v to_o do_v whether_o william_n who_o be_v the_o elder_a of_o the_o three_o son_n of_o the_o say_v roger_n be_v his_o lawful_a son_n or_o but_o a_o bastard_n you_o beg_v what_o you_o shall_v prove_v and_o take_v it_o for_o grant_v that_o he_o be_v the_o son_n and_o heir_n and_o say_v that_o if_o the_o son_n and_o heir_n of_o roger_n succeed_v by_o descent_n in_o his_o father_n inheritance_n than_o roger_n have_v a_o wise_a whereas_o if_o william_n be_v the_o son_n and_o heir_n of_o roger_n the_o say_a roger_n his_o father_n must_v needs_o have_v a_o wife_n whethersoever_o william_n succeed_v in_o the_o inheritance_n by_o descent_n or_o be_v disinherit_v for_o none_o but_o a_o
he_o with_o many_o bastard_n both_o son_n and_o daughter_n although_o i_o find_v no_o great_a reason_n to_o suspect_v that_o he_o have_v any_o at_o all_o unless_o paganus_fw-la de_fw-la milton_n and_o it_o be_v possible_a in_o that_o case_n you_o have_v neither_o the_o deed_n nor_o a_o copy_n of_o the_o deed_n by_o you_o that_o you_o may_v take_v hugh_n cyveliok_v for_o hugh_n lupus_n as_o well_o as_o in_o another_o deed_n as_o will_v anon_o appear_v you_o do_v take_v randle_n blundevil_n for_o randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la i_o be_o still_o of_o the_o same_o opinion_n that_o i_o be_v former_o of_o viz._n that_o richard_n bacun_v mother_n be_v not_o a_o base_a daughter_n of_o hugh_n gyveliok_v nor_o any_o daughter_n of_o he_o at_o all_o but_o that_o she_o be_v daughter_n to_o randle_n meschines_n and_o sister_n to_o randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la and_o i_o think_v those_o reason_n which_o i_o have_v give_v in_o my_o former_a book_n do_v full_o prove_v the_o same_o and_o albeit_o you_o tell_v i_o in_o the_o 54_o 55_o and_o 56_o page_n of_o your_o latter_a book_n that_o true_o i_o be_o deceive_v in_o it_o yet_o i_o do_v not_o doubt_v but_o to_o satisfy_v all_o the_o world_n that_o it_o be_v you_o and_o not_o i_o that_o be_v deceive_v therein_o and_o whereas_o you_o say_v it_o be_v true_a as_o i_o observe_v that_o there_o be_v no_o such_o archbishop_n of_o york_n call_v will._n nor_o bishop_n of_o chester_n who_o christian_a name_n begin_v with_o r._n both_o live_n at_o one_o time_n either_o in_o the_o time_n of_o randle_n de_fw-fr blundevill_n or_o randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la i_o answer_v i_o do_v make_v no_o such_o observation_n at_o all_o but_o the_o contrary_a for_o i_o show_v you_o that_o in_o the_o time_n of_o randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la william_n sister_n son_n to_o king_n stephen_n be_v archbishop_n of_o york_n for_o a_o time_n viz._n about_o 1142_o or_o 1143._o though_o he_o be_v afterward_o oust_v of_o it_o again_o till_o 1152._o or_o 1153._o and_o roger_n clinton_n be_v bishop_n of_o coventry_n and_o litchfield_n which_o then_o be_v the_o same_o with_o the_o bishop_n of_o chester_n from_o the_o year_n 1128_o until_o the_o year_n 1148_o or_o 1149._o and_o i_o then_o also_o tell_v you_o that_o there_o be_v no_o william_n archbishop_z of_o york_z at_o anytime_n during_o the_o life_n of_o randle_n blundevill_n nor_o any_o man_n bishop_n of_o chester_n who_o christian_a name_n begin_v with_o r._n except_o richard_n peche_n who_o die_v about_o the_o time_n that_o hugh_n cyveliok_v die_v viz._n in_o 1182_o though_o some_o say_v in_o 1181._o and_o some_o in_o 1183._o at_o which_o time_n randle_n blundevill_n can_v not_o be_v of_o age_n to_o seal_v any_o kind_n of_o deed_n because_o bertred_n the_o say_v randle_n mother_n be_v then_o but_o about_o twenty_o five_o year_n old_a and_o this_o argument_n you_o perceive_v to_o be_v so_o strong_a against_o you_o in_o this_o point_n that_o you_o have_v no_o way_n to_o avoid_v it_o but_o by_o give_v a_o strange_a answer_n to_o it_o which_o be_v that_o you_o do_v conceive_v the_o roll_n from_o whence_o the_o deed_n in_o monasticon_fw-la par._n 2._o pa._n 267._o be_v write_v be_v mistake_v in_o will_n and_o r._n and_o miswrit_a therein_o from_o the_o original_a chart_n itself_o which_o liberty_n if_o a_o man_n may_v take_v he_o may_v answer_v any_o thing_n in_o the_o world_n and_o your_o reason_n for_o so_o say_v be_v because_o richard_n bacun_fw-fr in_o his_o say_a deed_n do_v say_v that_o he_o have_v procure_v the_o warranty_n of_o randle_n earl_n of_o chester_n his_o uncle_n for_o the_o ratify_n of_o that_o grant_n and_o the_o very_a next_o deed_n follow_v in_o the_o roll_n and_o transcribe_v in_o the_o monasticon_fw-la be_v the_o deed_n of_o randle_n earl_n of_o chester_n with_o confirmation_n and_o warranty_n according_o whereunto_o roger_n lacie_n constable_n of_o cheshire_n be_v a_o witness_n who_o only_o live_v in_o the_o time_n of_o randle_n blundevill_n and_o no_o other_o earl_n of_o chester_n as_o i_o may_v see_v clear_o prove_v among_o the_o baron_n of_o halton_n in_o your_o book_n nor_o be_v there_o any_o other_o deed_n of_o confirmation_n and_o warranty_n to_o be_v find_v by_o any_o earl_n save_o this_o wherefore_o you_o say_v certain_o it_o must_v be_v randle_n blundevil_n who_o richard_n bacun_fw-fr call_v uncle_n in_o his_o own_o deed_n of_o the_o foundation_n of_o the_o say_a priory_n and_o you_o also_o say_v the_o bishop_n of_o chester_n be_v also_o bishop_n of_o litchfield_n and_o coventry_n at_o that_o time_n he_o be_v not_o then_o subject_a to_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o york_n but_o canterbury_n and_o you_o also_o say_v that_o there_o be_v no_o archbishop_n of_o york_n call_v will._n nor_o bishop_n of_o chester_n who_o christian_a name_n begin_v with_o r._n both_o live_n at_o one_o time_n either_o in_o the_o time_n of_o randle_n blundevill_n or_o randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la that_o you_o can_v find_v to_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o that_o richard_n bacun_fw-fr do_v obtain_v the_o warranty_n and_o confirmation_n of_o that_o randle_n earl_n of_o chester_n who_o be_v his_o uncle_n and_o then_o live_v neither_o be_v it_o to_o be_v doubt_v but_o that_o the_o deed_n to_o which_o roger_n constable_n of_o cheshire_n be_v a_o witness_n be_v the_o deed_n of_o randle_n blundevil_n i_o have_v prove_v it_o to_o be_v so_o in_o the_o 56_o page_n of_o my_o former_a book_n because_o roger_n constable_n of_o cheshire_n be_v live_v in_o the_o time_n of_o no_o other_o randle_n but_o randle_n blundevil_n so_o that_o you_o do_v not_o need_v to_o send_v i_o to_o see_v that_o clear_o prove_v among_o the_o baron_n of_o halton_n in_o your_o book_n but_o the_o deed_n of_o confirmation_n of_o that_o earl_n who_o be_v uncle_n of_o richard_n bacun_fw-fr be_v not_o in_o the_o monasticon_fw-la but_o be_v probable_o lose_v as_o many_o other_o ancient_a deed_n be_v and_o that_o deed_n of_o randle_n blundevill_n which_o be_v there_o be_v but_o another_o deed_n of_o confirmation_n according_a to_o the_o mode_n of_o those_o time_n when_o it_o be_v usual_a to_o obtain_v such_o from_o several_a prince_n several_a generation_n one_o after_o another_o and_o for_o proof_n hereof_o i_o do_v desire_v you_o to_o read_v monasticon_fw-la anglicanum_n par._n 2_o pa._n 24_o and_o 25._o where_o you_o may_v find_v king_n henry_n the_o i._o recite_v and_o confirm_v what_o have_v be_v give_v to_o the_o priory_n of_o huntendune_n and_o pa._n 27._o how_o king_n henry_n the_o iii_o do_v the_o like_a and_o yet_o there_o be_v a_o great_a space_n betwixt_o king_n henry_n the_o i._o and_o king_n henry_n the_o iii_o than_o there_o be_v betwixt_o randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la and_o randle_n the_o blundevil_n and_o very_o many_o other_o of_o the_o like_a nature_n may_v be_v find_v by_o those_o who_o will_v take_v the_o pain_n to_o make_v search_n in_o the_o several_a monasticon_n also_o it_o be_v very_o strange_a that_o you_o shall_v fancy_v that_o the_o roll_n where_o the_o say_a deed_n in_o monasticon_fw-la be_v write_v shall_v be_v mistake_v both_o in_o will._n and_o r._n especial_o since_o the_o word_n will._n be_v the_o first_o word_n in_o the_o say_a deed_n neither_o be_v it_o a_o badge_n of_o any_o mistake_n in_o the_o say_a deed_n because_o the_o archbishop_n of_o york_n be_v name_v in_o it_o though_o the_o bishop_n of_o chester_n be_v at_o that_o time_n the_o same_o with_o the_o bishop_n of_o coventry_n and_o litchfield_n be_v not_o then_o subject_a to_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o york_n but_z canterbury_z for_o the_o archbishop_n of_o york_n be_v not_o name_v upon_o that_o account_n but_o because_o some_o of_o the_o place_n mention_v in_o the_o say_a deed_n be_v within_o the_o province_n and_o diocese_n of_o york_n as_o particular_o rosington_n be_v it_o be_v within_o the_o west-riding_a of_o yorkshire_n but_o i_o suppose_v your_o principal_a reason_n why_o you_o suspect_v the_o roll_n be_v mistake_v be_v because_o you_o say_v there_o be_v no_o such_o archbishop_n of_o york_n call_v will._n nor_o bishop_n of_o chester_n who_o christian_a name_n begin_v with_o r._n both_o live_n at_o one_o time_n either_o in_o the_o time_n of_o randle_n blundevill_n or_o randle_n de_fw-fr gernoniis_fw-la that_o you_o can_v find_v which_o say_v of_o you_o seem_v very_o strange_a to_o i_o but_o i_o believe_v all_o your_o doubt_n be_v about_o the_o will._n that_o be_v archbishop_n of_o york_n because_o dr._n heylin_n a_o late_a writer_n in_o his_o catalogue_n of_o bishop_n do_v not_o mention_v the_o say_a williams_n be_v choose_a archbishop_n immediate_o upon_o the_o death_n of_o thurstan_n for_o i_o be_o confident_a that_o you_o be_v well_o satisfy_v that_o roger_n clinton_n be_v