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A58883 Severall witty discourses, pro & con viz. 1. That beauty is no real good. 2. That love proceeds from the inclination. 3. That the countrey life is preferr'd before living in cities. 4. That the affection ought not to die with the beloved. 5. That the affection ought not to go beyond the grave. 6. That those who never suffer'd troubles, cannot truly tell what pleasure is. 7. That death is better than slavery. 8. That absence is worse than death. 9. That one may be both slave and mistresse. By Mounsieur Scudery. And put into English by a person of quality.; Femmes illustres. English. Selections. Scudéry, Madeleine de, 1607-1701. 1661 (1661) Wing S2161A; ESTC R203500 88,648 236

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is touched as it should be with a sincere tru passion 'T is from that alone that love must take its birth and not from that great number of things where a particular interest would sway us sooner than Inclination And truly I can assure you that in the mind I am in I should rather receive a Crown from your hand than give it you as I do intend I should rather see you despise all the Princesses in the world for love of me than to despise as I my selfe doe all the greatest Princes of the Earth for love of you since in fine if things were thus I could never doubt but that your amity were rather an effect of your Inclination than of your Choise Neverthelesse since that cannot be I am not unwilling to let you see that my own cannot be for by-interests but that it is voluntary in effect if reason might freely have counselled in this busines Medoro had not found Angelica's heart in a condition to receive now his Image so many Illustrious Captives which her beauty or her good destiny had bestowed on her would without doubt have engaged her soul before Yes of so many Princes of so many Kings of so many Heroe's which have loved her and which have followed her there would have been found some which her reason would not have judg'd unworthy of her If ambition could be a path for love I should reign over the Tartarian Empire if valour could subject the spirit Orlando would be the Conquerour of Angelica if wisdome virtue birth and courage could suffice to inspire that ardour or to maintain and preserve it I should yet love Renaldo more than my own self if the testimonies of a violent affection were powerfull enough to produce its semblable I should not have resisted my brother when he would have made me accept of that of Ferragus the King of Spains son in fine if this passion came into ones heart without fear and with judgment the Circassion King had not left mine in a condition to be given you now it would have been almost impossible that of so many Crowns which have been laid down at my feet I should not have found some which I had thought faire enough to have suffer'd them to set it on my head notwithstanding because all those princes all those Kings and all those Hero's have only satisfied my judgment have not touched my inclination I have despised them all and the only Medoro without Crowne without Kingdome all cover'd with wounds and extended almost dead upon the earth has had more power ore my soul than all those who by their riches by their birth or by their courage have endeavoured to conquer me 'T is true that one may perhaps tell me that I have found more merit in you than in all the others and that he who came from shedding his blood and exposing his life to give burial to the body of his King deserved to be King himselfe and to inspire such sentiments into the heart of Angelica which others could not infuse However to tell things as they are that Heroick vertue which you testified in that occasion did not give you the Empire of my soul and if that puissant inclination of which I speake and which is the mother of all loves had not constrained me to affect you I should only have had compassion esteem for you But that superiour power which inclines us or rather which forces us to doe what it pleases made that without knowing you and without hardly having seen you I had more care for your life than for my own and did beleeve I found in your person that which I had not found in any other All that you at the first instant called compassion and generosity in me was already an effect of love I did not that which I would but that which I could not forbear to do I sought the herbs which should heale your wounds with too much earnestnesse and care to believe that I had no other interest in your life but only for compassion and generosity No Medoro it was not so I had no sooner seene you but without the help of my judgment I loved you as much as one can love although I my selfe knew not whether that which I felt in my soul for you were love And in effect reason is rather wont to warre against love than to beget it or to cherish it when it is borne That severe and imperious Queen farre from approving the bonds the chains and the follies of lovers speaks nothing but of liberty of our franchises and wisdome She will have all our senses subjected to her and our wills follow her intentions our memory must receive nothing in store but what she judges worthy to be preserved and the imagination must present her with things only that are serious and very solid A lover at his Mistresses feet is to her an object worthy of laughter and pitty she scoffs at his weaknesse she condemns all he does and in fine she would were it in her power destroy all the Lawes of Nature banish all passions from mens hearts and reign She alone over all the Universe Judge after this Medoro whether reason can introduce love in a soul and whether I have not reason to say that there is something in us more powerfull than she is that attracts us since in spight both of her counsels and power we often act quite contrary to what she would have us there is this difference betwixt reason and inclination that one for the most part will oblige us to do things that displeaseth us this later never tempts us to any thing but what is gratefull to us 'T is that without doubt which makes its power so great that the other cannot resist it she must needs yeild how clear sighted so ere she is to this amiable blinde guide which leads and conducts us as she pleases who makes us love and hate according to her fancy and who alone inspires love in the hearts of all men When reason would sway us to any thing though she be so imperious as I have said yet she must imploy both time and artifice to persuade us to obey her she shews those whom she will expose to great perills the glory they shall meet with she represents to those who find an occasion to be liberal that to give to ones friends is to put ones treasure in security in fine she discourses the illfavourdnesse of vice and the amability of vertue that we may shun the one and follow the other with the more ardour She does not therefore act with so absolute a power as the inclination which without pointing out to us either the good or the evil which can happen by those things whereto she leads us presses us on or to say better constrains us with such violence that we cannot resist Those natural aversions which we see amongst reasonable persons testifies sufficiently that our judgment is not
that we were both going to die and to die in so pitiful a manner fate changed the face of things I was discovered and known to be what I was before the City of Meroe my Sacrifier was found to be my Father the victime was found to be his daughter Hydaspes and Persina found an heiress the Ethiopians found a new Queen and Theagenes and Cariclia who know that those which have not had any evil cannot know what pleasure is found themselves almost happy I say almost generous Prince because our apprehensions did not yet cease and that my fathers scrupulous devotion believ'd that nature was too weak to hinder him to acquit himself of what he owed to the gods But if that too nice zeal did give us trouble the publick cry which made it end did no less rejoyce us You will tell me perhaps that this unhop'd for good concern'd me only that that which saved me did not save you that the hand which spared me would yet sacrifice you that you combated a Bull whose rage was terrible that you fought a Gyant whose strength was no lesse that they would constrain me to marry Meroebe that at the same time in which they put the royal Bandeau about my temples they would have put the mortal Scarf over your eyes and that I was fain once more to walk on burning coals wiehout any other assistance than my own purity having before left my Pantarbe But in fine Theagenes this happiness became equal to us you were spared as I was saved the hand which shielded me did not strike you the Bull neither frighted nor hurt you the Gyant did but encrease your glory Meroebe was the captive that adorned your triumph the flame by its lustre imparted some both to your vertue and mine Cariclia and Sisimithres finished our prosperities and from the feet of those altars of the gods where we then were we presently were raised up gloriously to the Kings Throne where we now are Acknowledge then my dear Theagenes as well as I that it belongs not but to those that have been unfortunate to say they are happy that 't is but only after our disgraces that our felicities are sweet that by troubles onely we can come to judg of quiet and rest and that those who never have undergone any evil cannot truly know what pleasure is For my part I find so much satisfaction in remembring my troubles and the memory is so grateful and so precious to me that far from banishing it from my soul I wish not onely that it may be always there but that this glorious Image may alwayes be in the memory of all men Let there be found a Painter both faithful and skilful and happy enough to trace a picture of it that Posterity may behold it that our adventures may be known wherever the Sun gives light that our amours be talked of in all the languages of the world that the Ethiopian History be not hid from any that we may have an hundred Imitators of our pleasures and sufferings that we may be the rule model of all other lovers and that from age to age the whole Universe may alwayes admire Theagenes and Cariclia The effect of this HARANGUE TRuly one may say that these last wishes have obtained the effect of this Harangue since the reputation of this brave Romance will never have an end and that there are few others which do not owe something to it It s Authour who preferr'd the preservation of this pleasing Book before his Bishoprick did no bad office to those who since himself have medled to compose the like and they and I are obliged to acknowledge that though we have not servily imitated him it is neverthelesse certain that we owe much to this great example POLIXENA TO PYRRHUS The Seventh HARANGUE The Argument AS the Grecians were returning to their Countrey after the taking of Troy the ghost of Achilles appeared to them which with a fearful and threatening voice reproached their ingratitude and forgetfulnesse and in fine demanded of them for recompence of his grand exploits and the life which he had lost in that long famous siege of Illium that Polixena the daughter of Priam of whom he had been enamour'd should be sacrificed upon his Tomb. Though this demand were infinitely cruel the fear of a dead man whom the Grecians had so much dreaded living made him obtain what he demanded so that Pyrrhus his son went and took her to immolate her to his fathers pittiless ghost and 't was at that sad instant that we do suppose that this beauteous and generous Princess made this discourse to him as you are going to see by the which she pretended to prove to him That death is better than servitude POLIXENA TO PYRRHUS FEar not that the desire of life will make me have recourse to tears thereby to excite compassion in your soul Polixena's heart is too great to fear death and her spirit is too reasonable and too generous not to prefer it before slavery Those who are forced to descend from the Throne withviolence ought not to apprehend their descent into the grave it is better they should cease to live than that they should begin to become slaves and it is better to become nothing at all than to survive their glory and their happiness Do not fear therefore that the Victime will escape from the foot of the altar she desires her death which you are going to give her she beholds without horrour the knife which must pierce her brest nor does Achilles ghost demand the end of her life with more are dency than she her self does crave it What do you stay for then to perform this funest ceremony there is no need you should busie your selves with all the preparations of an ordinary sacrifice for I do not think there is any one of the gods that can favourably receive that which you are going to offer this day The Victime is pure and innocent I confess but if I am not deceived it will stain that hand that shall shed its blood the Sacrifier will become criminal and the sacrifice will be of no advantage but only to the oblation it self But what shall I do in this occasion it seems hearing me speak in this manner that I would with-hold the arm that should strike me No Pyrrhus 't is not my design on the contrary I seek to irritate you thereby to hasten my death 'T is with impatience and disquiet that I perceive that my birth my youth and my present condition inspires you with some sence of tenderness nay I fear also that my constancy does make you take some compassion and apprehend in fine all that one lesse generous than my self would desire But remember not to let you bow to any pity that you are a Grecian and I a Trojan that you are Achilles son that I am daughter to Priam and Paris sister who to revenge the death of generous Hector kill'd that cruel
Achilles your father and my enemy For let them not tell me that he was become my lover ever since the sad day wherein he saw me at my brothers funeral or that 't is yet through a sentiment of affection that his ghost will have me sacrificed upon his Tomb No Pyrrhus no Achilles was but my enemy and never was my lover however I shall say that for my own part at least I had rather be his Victime than to have been his Mistris Polixena's eyes would be guilty if they could have infused love into her brothers murtherer and she would esteem her self very unhappy if any could suspect her to have contributed any thing to such a kind of conquest I have wish'd to pierce his heart I confess but never to subdue it to me I have desired his death but not his love and I in fine have had all the hatred that one can have for the enemy of ones blood the destroyer of ones Countrey and for Hectors murderer That if nevertheless you will publish to all the world that the great Hectors vanquisher has been vanquished not by the beauty of Polixena but by her sorrow only proclaim also that Polixena has not been orecome by the submissions of Achilles that the tears he has shed hath not washed off the blood her brother lost by his hand and that when Priam and all the Trojan Princes would for the publick good have immolated her to Achilles passion thereby to obtain a peace proclaim I say that she did oppose it with all her strength that she never consented and that the death she prepares her self to receive this day is the only complacence she hath ever had for Achilles passion O gods who ever beheld such a token of love as that I shall presently receive Achilles as t is said was Polixena's lover but let us see a little what testimonies he has given her of that passion and respect he hath had for her So long as he lived he has imployed his valour onely against all whom she did love and against all those whom she ought to love I have seen him that cruel Achilles pursue all my friends with such spleen that it had more of fury than of true courage I have seen him an hundred times from the top of our Rampiers bathe his hands in my blood But ô pitiful spectacle I have seen him fight the valiant Hector or to say better I have beheld all the gods incens'd against us making use of his arm to surmount him who surmounted all others Yes I have seen the invincible Hector fall to the dust by the will of heaven only and by the only cruelty of Achilles I have seen that Achilles not only fight my brother not only make him lose his life but I have seen him by an inhumanity which never could be parallel'd use many outrages on that body of his enemy quite dead as it was I have seen him load himself with his spoils I have seen him give him several wounds when he had no more sence of feeling I have seen him tie him to his Chariot he who should never have gone but in a Chariot of triumph I have seen him compass our wals about three times dragging that illustrious Hero bound by the feet his head hanging in the dust blood But what do I say could Polixena behold all these things without dying or that which is most strange could Polixena cause any love in the cruellest of her enemies Yes Polixena has lived and her tears as t is said have softned the heart of the pitilesse Achilles he wept with her at Hectors funeral he desired a peace with Priam and demanded his daughter of him But at the same time ô prodigie of extravagance as well as cruelty he did yet once more wash his hands in that unfortunate womans own brothers blood whom he intended to make his wife he hath slain Troilus with the same hand with which he slew Hector and with that same hand he would afterwards have taken Polixena for his spouse if she had been so unworthy as to consent to it Are those the marks of love or of hatred Is it a lover or an enemy that acts in this manner Or to speak more truly are not those the actions of a man furious and distracted For my part I confess to you all these things are incomprehensible to me for if Achilles were but my enemy why should he weep at Hectors funeral and if he were become my lover why did he yet tear in pieces one of my brothers with a Tygers cruelty But that which astonishes me and wrongs me most is that he could imagine that I was capable to hearken to his complaints and sighs to forget the deaths of my brothers to be their enemies Mistris and their murderers wife This thought is so injurious to Polixena that she cannot possibly comprehend it should ever enter into the heart of Achilles how inhumane so'ere he was She cannot imagine I say that he could have believed that Hectors sister were so unworthy to do it for had he been but her adversary as all other Greeks are she would not easily have believed that he had any love for her nor would ever have consented to his unjust passion Judge then if after that which I have told you she could have been perswaded that Achilles was her lover and far lesse consent to his affection But let 's see a little the sentiments he preserves for her in his grave t is there that the Grecians and the Trojans should end their differences t is in the grave that all the world becomes of one party that love and hatred ought to cease Notwithstanding it seems that Achilles is not satisfied with the utter ruine of Priams whole Empire The burning of Troy is not a sufficient pile for his funeral nor is his ghost contented with all the blood the Trojans have lost His ashes must be sprinkled with Polixena's and for a token of the love he had for her his son must needs become her executioner and since he could not have her for his wife she must now become his victime Truly to love in this manner one must be both a Grecian and Achilles together Do not think how'ere that I complain of this cruel proceeding on the contrary I render thanks to the gods for their bounty in shortning my thrid by this means in the condition of my present fortune death cannot but be advantageous to me and to make it welcome they could not choose better than to make me lose my life on the tomb of Achilles To die in this manner is to die triumphant 't is to behold ones enemy at ones feet 't is to be revenged for all the outrages and affronts one hath received and t is to climb the Throne when we descend thus into the Grave and if against my will you perceive some marks of sorrow in my countenance do not believe it is any effect of my fear or