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A00410 Questions of profitable and pleasant concernings talked of by two olde seniors, the one an ancient retired gentleman, the other a midling or new vpstart frankeling, vnder an oake in Kenelworth Parke, where they were met by an accident to defend the partching heate of a hoate day, in grasse or buck-hunting time called by the reporter the display of vaine life, together with a panacea or suppling plaister to cure if it were possible, the principall diseases wherewith this present time is especially vexed. O. B., fl. 1594. 1594 (1594) STC 1054; ESTC S120718 71,141 94

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in arts or vnderstandings aboue the rest they straight thought it a point of their deepest skill to hold others back from the reache thereof purposely to haue the more ignorant to dote vpon them else could not the maisters of balductum ceremonies haue climed vp by craftie conueiance to sit in thrones aboue Emperours and Kings I suppose by your ancient patterns and fashions you meane apparell and hospitalitie wherein to my small power I will do my good will to take away the error of your mislike beginning first at apparell Amongst sundry sorts of men there haue alwaies bene diuers kinds of attires according to the humors degrees abilities of the wearers the shape fashiō being euer in the or dainers choises to please themselues according to the deuice and conceit of best becomming Therin this present age hath rather surpassed to their commendation fitting nearer by Tailers shapes and garnishings with better proportioning and setting out garments to their bodies then the Rutterking Tailors of the old stampe wherevnto you would haue fashions brought back againe You might as well appoint men to go naked or loosely attired which they haue done as not to allow them that must were clothes to fit their bodies according to their owne minde and fantasie Had you found fault with too costly apparrell where neither the degree nor place requireth it or with too fantasticall or superfluous wearing where halfe the stuffe would suffice to make a farre more seemly garment or had you spoken against their follies who fet enuious patterns to outvie and vndoe one the other by trying maisteries in fashions who should bcare the prodigall bell away which time and cost had bin better spent in the emulation of vertues acts who should haue deserued best in deeds of marshall prowesse beseeming fortitude therein had I agreed with you but through the hast you made to finde out these not so worthie your displeasure such haue also escaped you I rather thinke you wanted words to expresse your good conceit not accustomed to speake in such things then any wayes come short of iudgement to discerne aright in greater difficulties Dunst Surely you fauour me rightly for it was my meaning to shew the dislike I had of such as weare more on their backs in one day then their fathers did in their whole life time Hud Now I dare vndertake by your waightie words you meane such as weare more armour on their backs in one day or are girte with more wounds and stripes then their Fathers were Dunst Nay rather I speake against that excesse where commendable Farmes which were wont to maintain bring vp honest tennants and their children ouer and aboue the rent are dasht vpon one sute of apparrell together with one daies vnmeasurable expences Hud I perceiue you could be content to dwell rent-free vpō the grudge you beare hereat all the daies of your life But now to your patterns of housekeeping I will see to fit you better therein for I know that troubles you most and giueth you least cause of offence Know you how all fathers that leaue their heires lands charge the said liuings First the mother her carrying away a iointer moueables and furniture of the house that must needs be one hinderance why the sonne should not begin where the father left then paying out of brothers and sisters portions is also a hinderance to make him lesse able to keepe house and porte equall with your ancient patterne Now againe besides lands and goods perhaps he wants the offices and entertainmets from his prince which his father was assisted by in that ample manner to do that you so hastely require But put the case all Noblemen and Gentlemen were in better sort able to maintaine housekeeping after this fashion then any ancestour they had I will shew you sufficient reasons and those profitable also to the common wealth to haue such lauish housekeeping forborne When you had these prodigall spendings for custome sake they neither knew why nor wherfore a progenie of voluntarie or rather wilfull beggers were thence outrraised the swarme and rable whereof by continuance haue defamed and slandered the whole nation besides the generall and particular hurts they do in the places where they are yet in that sort maintained Is one Gentleman be able to shew you halfe a thousand thus bred and continued from one descent to another for many hundreds of yeares it is like England hath some greater store of these straw companions It were much for me to say that the first brawle of them came from this occasion because of the likelyhood I will venture to thinke they did and shew you my reasons First their breeding and customarie aboade in one place excercising one selfe kind of life then the commodiousnesse of a wastefull house to fcster them vp in that free and liberall sort without exception to any that would helpe away with beefe and mutton as much at their commaundement that would in this sort come to take it as at theirs whose breeding and growing it was of For it is more likely they tooke their beginning from houses thus wantonly kept then from a farther fetcht deuise of Abbeys and Priories whose benefacting that way extended chieflie to their supposed children and Paramoures inhabiting Milles and out-granges within their belles ringing whither by out-leaps they made their Sabaoth dayes iourneys their cherishing was onely of such to do to haue as the Scot saith an ease for a pleasure Againe such as were fallen by casualties or burthensome occasions of many children into pouertie former times I must confesse had greater respect in time to see to them then we haue who lightly alwaies by charitable contributions restored thē back againe in time to an estate ere they could catch a habit or delight therein a matter better pleasing no doubt to the parties relieued then the other contemptuous custome of wilsull begging Now whether it be likely that vnmeasurale house keepings were the occasions to draw loytering disposed persons from labour to ease and from one entising degree to another till it had fully possest them to erect a habit or facultie of slouthfull beggers the first degreebeing in themselues through this prouision other members of their like sort and qualitie as the rogue and vagrant begger indeed haue proceeded from the number and superfluitie of the first kinde now I say the better consideration hereof to iudge I referre to your selfe Dun. Through your gentle teachings I begin to perceaue an approoued error in ouerdoing as well in things that haue good purposes and intents as also in matters grounded vppon mischiefs carrying an outward shew of holy and religious deeds I confesse Monasteries and Priories were not so likely to haue bin causes hereof as the other dissolute houses where refreshings were without respect or partiality The Moncks and Abbots of my knowledge cut large shiuers of the loafe for which they neuer sweate to make themselues strong in the peoples fauour