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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A43724	A continuation of The dialogue between a Christian and a Quaker wherein the truth of those things objected against them in the first part, are fully confirm'd : together with a further account of their perilous and pernitious errors concerning the person of Christ, His satisfaction, justification, sanctification, the ministry, and immediate motions are in this second part, cleerly and plainly represented out of the writings of some of their principal, and most approved leaders / published for the common information of such as either really are, or may be, in danger of being insnared and intangled by them by Thomas Hicks.	Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.	1673 (1673)	Wing H1919; ESTC R21822	53,818	100

for the Querist and that he was under that woe from which he should not escape What means he by the Elect for whom no satisfaction is required and to whose charge nothing is laid was not Christ's death for Sin then either for the sins of the Elect or for the sins of others not for the Elect nor for the Querist for whose sins then 'T is evident enough he intended 't was onely for the Seed which Seed is Christ so that Sinners are no wayes concern'd in the Sufferings of Jesus Christ unless you will say That Christ in man is a Sinner O the patience and forbearance of God that should bear with such Blasphemies as these are that ever men pretending to infallible Teachings should so render the Doctrine of Jesus Christ and his Sufferings as to expose them to the greatest scorn and contempt 5. Q. Whether you be reconciled to God by any other Obedience then that very Obedience which Christ perform'd in his own Person or by any suffering or death then that which Christ suffer'd upon the Cross at Jerusalem Quak. Silence Flesh wouldst thou who art an enemy to God know how we are reconciled to God and by what Obedience own the light in thy Conscience and be obedient to that then thou shalt know by what Obedience we are reconciled to God For yet thou knowest no Obedience but art an enemy to the Cross of Christ and in the mystery of Iniquity and in the dark power of the Man of Sin What hast thou to do to talk of Obedience thou art blind and in the broad way that leads to Death Ibid. p. 31. Chr. Is this to give a reason of your Hope with meekness and fear Suppose the Querist as ignorant as his Answerer would represent him ought he not to have endeavoured his Information the question doth deserve a better reply then here is given to it what inconvenience can there be in giving a serious and solid account how we are reconciled to God Was not Edw. Burroughs either ashamed or afraid to speak out what that Obedience is by which you are reconciled William Penn I must confess herein is more free and ingenious with us He confidently affirms Justification by that Righteousness which Christ fulfil'd in his own Person without us is a Doctrine of Devils Apolog. p. 148. I doubt not but Burroughs was of the same mind though he kept it secret from the Querist as much as in him lay Hitherto you see we have not one direct Answer to any Question 6. Q. Whether did not the Man Christ suffer as a publick Person in the Elects stead or in their behalf and for that end That none who believed in him might die eternally Quak. Thou blind Guide makes it manifest that thou knowst not the Man Christ at all nor his Sufferings A publick Person he is not to thee but a mystery thou knows nothing of and for the redeeming of the Elect from under such mouths as thine Christ did and doth suffer and those that believe deny such dumb idol Shepherds as thee Ibid. p. 31. Chr. Still nothing but Impertinent Ravings instead of a direct Answer What doth the Quaker intend by the Man Christ and his Sufferings which he saith the Querist knows not at all Is Christ a publick Person or not did he die for this end That all who believe in him might not die eternally or did he not who or what is the Elect that is under the mouths of such as the Querist for the redeeming of whom Christ did and doth suffer And what is that which Christ doth now suffer for the Redemption of the Elect and what that Bondage is from which he redeems And what is meant by believing and in whom Is it in that Person who suffer'd upon the Cross or the Light within Do not equivocate but 2speak to the Point directly whether that Person that is distinct from all other persons He that was in the World and died upon the Cross rose again and is now at the right hand of God be that very Christ we are to believe in or that it is not our Duty and Interest so to do but meerly to believe in and obey the light within as the onely Mediator between God and Sinners Let us know your minds herein in down-right terms and do not put us off with your witnessings which to us signifie nothing 7. Q. Whether the Sufferings of Christ now in his Saints be all the satisfaction that is made to or which the justice of God looks for for sins pasts present and to come Quak. Thou Blasphemer askest thou knows not what Is not Christ the same as ever and is not the Sufferings of Christ satisfactory where ever what will satisfie if the Sufferings of Christ will not satisfie Let all people take notice what a Blasphemer thou art or what can they learn from such as thee who knows neither the Justice of God nor the Sufferings of Christ in his Saints Ibid. p. 31. Chr. In answer to the fourth Question this Quaker deny'd the Sufferings of Christ to be satisfactory either for the Elect or others and here he grants his Sufferings are satisfactory where-ever but tells us not to whom nor for whom they are so And whereas he talks of Christ's Sufferings in his Saints I would quere whether his Sufferings in that sense be all the satisfaction that is made to or which the Justice of God requires Again it may not be amiss to observe a little the policy of this man who that he might the better hide and prevent any suspition of himself being a Blasphemer he indites and arraigns the Querist as such perfectly in this imitating the Devil who will charge upon another his own fault that thus it is consider the Quakers Opinion of Christ in his Saints which is 't is God and his eternal Power but doth God and his Power Suffer and die in his Saints Is this to exalt the Deity of the Son of God which sometimes you pretend to do to make him subject to death and to death in you but pray how can an immortal immutable Spirit die and in what sense is such a death satisfactory But the misery is ask what question we will in the plainest terms we can the Quakers will answer equivocally and not let us know their minds as one of them said We do not use to trust such with our Opinions as if they were ashamed to own the things themselves believe 8. Q. Whether was not that Body of Jesus which was offer'd upon the Cross at Jerusalem the one and onely Sacrifice for Sin God accepted to which all the Saints did and do look to be justified without any other Works Quak. Here thou replyes thy sottish Queries which rises out of thy dark mind concerning the Body of Jesus as the Devil did about the body of Moses let thy mouth be stopt for the Body of Jesus thou knowst not nor what it consists on and the offering of it

did Christ do for the Salvation of men A. He did ratifie and confirm all with great love and a holy resignation by offering up his body to be crucified by wicked hands and thereby became a most compleat captain and perfect example W. Pen. Q. Was Christ in his sufferings no more but an Example A. What more wouldst have him to be Q. Was not the love of God herein manifest in sending his Son to dye for sinners Rom. 5.8 A. There may be something of that in it Q. How and in what respect did Christ dye for sinners A. Not to make satisfaction for their sins the consequence of such a doctrine is both Irreligious and Irrational W. Pen. Sandy Found p. 16. Q. What doth the Scripture mean in saying He was made sin for us A. I caution and warn men by no means to entertain this principle viz. of Christs Satisfaction by whomsoever recommended O why should this Horrible thing be contended for by Christians W. Pen. ibid. p. 16. 25. 30. Q. How was sin laid on Christ and how was he made a curse for us A. God was satisfied in his Son Christ the anointed the Lamb offer'd without spot a sacrifice for Sin G. W. Div. of Christ p. 19. Q. In what respect was Christ a sacrifice for Sin A. Your abuse of Christ confusion and darkness in stating your matter we cannot own as proceeding from any sense or savour of Christ either as Sacrifice or a Saviour G. W. ibid. 79. 80. Q. Was that body of Jesus which was offer'd upon the cross the one and onely Sacrifice for Sin A. Thy sottish queries riseth out of thy dark mind concerning the body of Jesus as the Devill did about the body of Moses Edward Burroughs Q. Was Christs death a satisfactory Sacrifice or not A. God satisfyed himself in his own gift and without performing his own will he could not be satisfyed G. W. ibid. 79. Q. If thou hadst said that God made man and gave him a reasonable Soul c. and without performing his own will he could not be satisfyed would it not have been as much to the question as what thou hast said answer me Was Christs death on the Cross satisfactory for the sins of the world or only for the Elect A. Thou Jesuit art pleading for a Christ a far off that Christ did not satisfie for thee thou art under the woe The death of Christ we witness Edw. Bur. Where reads thou that God requires satisfaction for the sins of the Elect or laid any thing to their charge thou blind ignorant Sot Edward Burroughs Q. What was Christs end in giving himself a ransome in being a propitiation for the sins of the whole world A. To shew forth and give testimony of Gods love and grace towards all mankind G. W. Q. VVherein was that Love and Grace manifested in Christ being a sacrifice for all men A. He gave Him a ransome to redeem and purchase man out of the Transgression G. W. Q. VVas it the will of God that Christ should dye to redeem man out of the Transgression A. It was so Q. VVas there a necessity hereof A. God would not be satisfied without performing his own will G. W. Q. If it was Gods will to give his Son to be a propitiation for the sins of the whole world And if there was a necessity that thus it should be because as you say God cannot be satisfyed without doing his own will How then can the meer Light within be sufficient to save if it were what necessity could there be of Christ being a sacrifice but if this were necessary then why do you maintain the former A. Now thou multiplies questions to ensnare Q. Pray be serious and acquaint me what that obedience or suffering is by which you are reconciled to God A. Silence flesh Would thou who art an Enemy of God know how the Saints are reconciled to God Edw. Bur. Q. VVill you not inform me in this matter A. Own the Light in thy conscience and then thou shalt know Edwards Burroughs Q. VVhat think you of Justification by that Righteousness which Christ in his own person fulfilled for us wholly without us A. I boldly affirm it to be a Doctrine of Devills W. Pen. Q. Is there no other Righteousness by which and for the sake of which the Saints are justified than what Christ works in them A. Thou art accursed thou Beast upon whom the wrath of God must be accomplished who would have another Righteousness than what Christ works in the Saints Edw. Burroughs Q. Is there no such thing as an imputed righteousness A. Justification is not from the imputation of anothers righteousness W. Pen. Q. Doth God justifie men upon the account of their own works A. Was not Abraham justifyed by works and was not his personal offering up of Isaac the ground of that just imputation W. Pen. Q. Are good works meritorious A. They may be said to procure deserve or obtain W. Pen. Q. Doth then the holy lives and works of the Saints justifie them in the sight of God from the guilt of sin A. Thou dead beast by the same that the Saints are justified thou art condemn'd into the lake for ever Edw. Bur. Q. Are none justified or Righteous in the sight of God in whom is any corruption or failing A. Thou polluted Beast God accepts not any where there is any failing or who do not fulfill the law and answer every demand of justice Edw. Burroughs Q. Who what is the true ministry A. God himself by his immediate power Spirit and unction within is the teacher of his people G. Whitehead Q. Who or what doth he teach A. The Seed Q. Is the seed the onely object of this teaching A. To the mind which is carnal the commands of God are not given nor can they be received Edw. Bur. Q. What is this seed A. 'T is that of God in thee the witness of God in thy conscience Q. Do not you sometimes call this seed Christ and his Spirit A. We do Q. Is the command given only to and obeyed by this Seed A. The Spirit both as a rul manifests the promises and exerciseth Faith G. W. Q. Is not this as much us to say that God preacheth to and is obeyed only by himself Are you not ashamed to prate thus A. Is not the great work of the ministry to point to this viz. the Seed in them G. K Q. Is it credible that God should teach only himself A. Thy dark mind cannot conceive these things Q. Dost thou thy self understand them A. Yea. Q. VVhy wilt thou not endeavour to inform me A. What hast thou to do to talk of these things thot knowest nothing of God and Christ Q. Do you not say I have a light in me A. I do Qd. VVhat is this Light A. Thou art an Idle fellow thus one of their Ministers answered this question Q. Must I obey this Light A. Yea. Q. If I do obey it will

that Righteousness is which is reckoned or accounted to us for our Justification Quak. Art thou of them that imagine a Justification without Sanctification who because the Scriptures faith God justifies the ungodly through Faith they therefore conclude themselves justified in their ungodliness by a fancy which they call Faith Naylors Love to the Lost 50 51. I farther tell thee That Justification by an imputed Righteousness is both irrational irreligious ridiculous and dangerous Pen. Sand. Fo. p. 30 31. Chr. I know of none that hold Justification of persons in their ungodliness this therefore is a wicked slander and not at all to the question We plead not for a Righteousness imputed to overthrow a Righteousness inherent or the exercise of Christian vertues 't is you would separate and divide them not we The question intends this whether the person justified was not at that instant before he was justified guilty in himself Quak. Justification goes not before but is consequential to the mortifying of Lusts and the sanctification of the Soul Again impute or imputing signifies no more in Scripture but to express men really and personally to be what is imputed to them Pen. Sand. Fo. p. 27 29 30. Chr. Doth not this import that a man must be formally just before he be justified for nothing is imputed or reckoned to us according to your reasoning but what is inherent in us I would ask you whether remission of sins be not one part of Justification Quak. I suppose it may Chr. Can one be forgiven that is not guilty it looks like a contradiction to pardon one that is innocent to forgive one that owes nothing certainly he that is pardoned must be a Sinner Rom. 4.5 that is such that were so till justified not such that remain so being justified Qu. God justifies the living and not the dead whilst the Just being dead in trespasses and sins There is no justification where the Just lives not for by that which the Just lives is that by which the creature is justified Naylors Love to the lost 52. Printed 1656. Chr. To talk of the Just being dead in trespasses and sins is no other then your absurd blasphemous and ridiculous canting For by Just we know you mean the seed of God in man which sometimes you call Christ or his appearance gift or measure But is Christ or his Seed or Power in man dead in sins and trespasses what unworthy and vile Creatures are you to suggest such perillous conceits as these and yet pretend to infallibility and perfection by what hath been said I am and presume others may be fully satisfied what kind of Justification you hold Pray let us understand your Opinion of Sanctification what it is Quak. 'T is Christ himself hence we conclude To say Sanctification is imperfect in this life is as much as to say Christ is imperfect but Christ is perfect therefore Sanctification is perfect See then the error and wickedness of this principle that Sanctification is imperfect Edw. Burrough's Works 488. Chr. 'T is true Jesus Christ by his Spirit is the Author and Worker of Sanctification but will it therefore follow that the work of Sanctification in us is Christ himself or that this work is now perfect in all its degrees Quak. Jesus Christ is both the seeds man the seed and also the fruit G. Keith Im. R. p. 77. The Law in the mind is the Spirit of God To say the Law in the mind is imperfect is error in the highest degree this is an abominable corrupt principle of error the new man is perfect peace and perfect sanctification Burroughs Ibid. 488. Chr. How wilt thou prove that Christ is both the Author and the work the seeds-man and the seed and fruit That the Law in the mind is the Spirit it self and Christ himself and that the new man is perfect sanctification that there remains not the least sin either for kind or degree in the person sanctified we will not be imposed upon therefore if you can demonstrate this thing unto us Quak. If the old man the body of sin remain in sanctified persons then none are sanctified at all and such as have the body of sin in them have no part in the Kingdom of God Edw. Burroughs Ibid. 488. Chr. Why then doth the Apostle exhort sanctified persons to put off the old man Col. 3.5 Rom. 13.12 13. And how will you prove your selves to have any part in the Kingdom of God since 't is notorious the body of sin yet remains in the best of you of which your intollerable pride error envy malice railing cursing hypocrisie and wilful lying are sufficient evidences Quak. We deny the old man we are in the meekness truth and simplicity therefore thou suggests nothing but thy own imaginations Chr. You are as we say far from your Neighbours who else will say so of you besides your selves your own Testimony is not sufficient in this ease especially since your Writings Converse and Practise gives the lye to this your pretence and sufficient instances hath in this Discourse been suggested to prove you guilty therefore your denial is an aggravation of your sin and wickedness But to the question doth Sanctification consist in our conformity to the will of God or not Quak. Now thou runs into the many words thy fleshly and imaginary distinctions Chr. When wilt thou forbear these trifling Impertinencies Speak to the point Quak. I have told thee That the Law in the mind is the Spirit of God and that Christ is Sanctification can I speak more plain Chr. If the Law in the mind be the Spirit it self and if Sanctification be Christ himself what must we call obedience to Christ his Law or Spirit If our habitual and actual conformity to the divine Law or Rule be our holiness how can the Spirit it self and Christ himself meerly be it Quak. We deny not but declare That all men ought to be obedient to the light Christ in them Chr. But may this obedience be call'd our holiness you seem to deny it in saying Christ himself is Sanctification and the Law in the mind is the Spirit of God Dost Christ obey himself doth he repent and believe and is his obeying himself in us our holiness If so then whilst you deny an imputed Righteousness in a Scripture sense you maintain a righteousness imputed in an enthusiastical and ridiculous sense But if you will say That obedience to the divine Rule is our holiness then you will contradict your selves And to apply it to you I would ask How it is possible for you to prove your selves sanctified persons that so wilfully and wickedly oppose the rule of duty Did ever any holy man deliberately affirm That is no command to me which is a command to another neither did any of the Saints act by the command which was given to another they every one obey'd his own command Burroughs Ibid. p. 47. Then that Law which forbids Idolatry Adultery Murder Theft and hearing