it may be enquired and it may either be safely found out or remaine hid and vnknowne to the faithfull Enchirid. 69. Augustine saith A faithfull man may safely be ignorant of Purgatorie The Papists error 12 2. THey say they onely goe to Purgatorie that dye in their veniall and light transgressions or which haue their sinnes remitted but not satisfied for the punishment Bellarm. lib. 2. de Purgat cap. 1. The Protestants FIrst we denye that any sinnes are of their owne nature veniall as they affirme for the wages of al sinne without the mercie of God is death Ro. 6.23 Secondly what equitie should there be in this that veniall sinnes should be punished with the hellish fire of Purgatorie that exceedeth al the afflictions of this life yea and a longer time then any man liueth vpon earth for the Pope taketh vpon him to pardon for thousands of yeeres and yet mortall and deadly sinnes as they call them may be satisfied for here where neither the penance can be so grieuous nor so long Thirdly the sinne once remitted there remaineth no punishment Mark 2.5 Christ saith to the sick of the palsie Thy sinnes are forgiuen thee and vers 10. That ye may knowe that the Sonne of man hath authoritie on earth to forgiue sinnes I say vnto thee arise take vp thy bed and walke The releasing him of the punishment of his bodie was a signe that his sinnes also were forgiuen and the sinne being remitted the punishment also ceaseth Wherefore who so leaueth the world without sinne is no more guiltie of any punishment The Papists 3. THe soules in Purgatorie doe neither sinne any more neither can they merite error 13 Ecclesiastes 9.5 The dead knowe nothing at all vers 10. there is neither worke knowledge nor wisedome in the graue Bellarm. cap. 2. The Protestants WE say that if there were any such place as Purgatorie the soules there tormented must needes both increase in charitie and righteousnes because the more they are purged the more pure they are and the lesse drosse is in them and being in vnspeakable torments they cannot choose but tremble and feare yea and also be disquieted in their soules as the Saints were sometime in their afflictions here vpon earth and therefore cannot be without sinne for feare hath painfulnes as the Apostle saith and he that feareth is not perfect in loue 1. Iohn 4.18 Ergo a seruile or slauish feare is sinne That place alleadged doth not onely take away meriting or working from the dead but all knowledge and vnderstanding And it is spoken in the person of the Epicure and sensuall man that thinketh that the dead knowe nothing The Papists 4. THey affirme that the soules in Purgatorie are certaine of their saluation in error 14 the midst of their torments for euery soule departed straight after death receiueth sentence of life or death Bellarm. cap. 4. The Protestants Ans. FIrst that euery soule is iudged presently after death we grant and it maketh strongly against your Purgatorie for the sentence giuen is either of death or life and the sentence being giuen is accordingly executed so that they which receiue sentence of life goe presently to heauen the other to hell For to what purpose els should the sentence be giuen if it be not straightwaies in force So S. Paul saith that they which looke to be clothed with their house from heauen shall not be left naked or vnclothed 2. Cor. 5.2 3 4. But if some soules ordained to life eternall should pause a while in Purgatorie being vnclothed of their flesh they should be left altogether naked hauing not yet receiued their clothing from heauen Secondly where there is securitie of saluation there is the greatest comfort ioy that can be how then can the soules in Purgatorie be so grieuouslie tormented which cannot be els where then in their conscience for as for the whipping scalding freezing of soules in Purgatorie they are but old wiues fables the ioy then of the soule is in the conscience so is the sorowe how then can both these be matched in the soule together to haue vnspeakable ioy as also to feele most horrible paine 5 In these poynts alreadie set downe our aduersaries we see are bold to define certainly of Purgatorie but there are as many poynts and somewhat more which they leaue in doubt and vncertaine First where Purgatorie should bee Bellarmine gesseth it is in the bowels of the earth next to hell cap. 6. so doe the Rhemists Luk. 16. sect 8. But they doe not all agree neither hath their Church defined it Secondly they cannot tell how many yeeres Purgatorie endureth whether an hundred or two hundred or thousands of yeeres Thirdly they can not tell certainly whether it be materiall fire which burneth in Purgatorie but they say it is probable Fourthly neither cā they shew how corporall fire should worke vpon the soules in Purgatorie being spirituall and incorporall Bellarmine cap. 12. Fiftly they are vncertaine whether the diuels or angels be the tormentors in Purgatorie cap. 13. Sixtly whether the paine of Purgatorie be at all time alike or by little and little slaked toward the end and whether it doe exceede all the paines and sorowes of this life they yet remaine vncertaine and are not able to determine Bellarm. lib. 2. de purgat cap. 14. Let vs leaue them therefore with their vncertainties and brainsicke phansies for the vaine inuentions and imaginations of men haue no end but are fitly by the Prophet cōpared to sparkles that leape out thick out of the fire but are soone extinguished Walk saith the Prophet in the light of your fire and sparkes that you haue kindled that is as the sparkes giue but a dimme light for a man to walke by he may stumble and grope about still for all that light euen so no maruaile if the Papists doe wander vp and downe in their imaginations walking by the light and sparkles of their phantasticall and mathematicall fire of Purgatorie THE THIRD PART WHETHER THE PRAIERS OF the liuing or any other workes of theirs doe profite the dead The Papists THeir opinion is that the praiers of the liuing are neither auailable for the Saints in heauen for they neede them not not for the damned in hell for they cannot be helped but onely for the soules tormented in Purgatorie who doe finde great ease say they by the praiers of the liuing and therfore we ought to pray for them Bellar. lib. 2. de purgator cap. 15.18 Rhemist annot 2. Thessal 2. sect 19. Argum. 1. Christ while he liued profited the dead for he raised to life the rulers daughter Math. 9. the widdowes sonne Luk. 7. and Lazarus which were dead therefore euen so the members of Christ ought one to helpe another the liuing the dead Bellarm. cap. 15. Ans. First is not here a strong argument thinke you Christ raised Lazarus and some others from death to life Ergo we ought to pray for the dead for it followeth
and rooted out Et tolli omne illud quod veram habet propriam rationem peccati And all that wholly to be taken away which hath the nature and qualitie of sinne Concil Trident sess 5. For the concupiscence or originall sinne remaining after Baptisme is now no more to bee called sinne In infants then newly baptized there is neither mortall nor veniall sinne Rhemist 1. Iohn 1. sect 5. Argum. The Scripture saith Beholde the lambe of God that taketh away the sinnes of the world Ioh 1.29 Christ doth sanctifie and cleanse his Church by the washing of water through the word Ergo by remission sinnes cleane taken away Rhemist Rom. 4. sect 7. Ans. First if sinne in baptisme were wholly remoued not onely the guilt but the very staine and blot of sinne how commeth it to passe that many which are baptized doe fall afterward into deadly sinnes yea there is no man that liueth without sinne If sinne once haue been vtterly expelled and banished out of the flesh how commeth it in againe if their iustification haue once clearely rid them from sinne how can they be subiect to it againe for the grace of iustification being once obtained can neuer bee lost the giftes of God are without repentance Rom. 11.29 2. The Scripture is true that Christ by his blood cleanseth washeth taketh away our sinnes not by actually purging vs from all corruption but in freely acquiting and discharging of vs before God both of the guilt and punishment of sinne so the Scripture saith Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiuen and to whom the Lord imputeth no sinne Rom. 4.7.8 Our sinnes therefore may be truely forgiuen though some corruption of sinne doe still remaine in vs. The Protestants THere are three things to bee considered in sinne First the staine or blot corruption or remnant of sinne in vs. Secondly the guilt fault and offence of sinne Thirdly the punishment and stipend due vnto it By our spiritual washing in the blood of Christ whereof Baptisme is a seale both the guilt and punishment of our sinnes are not onely hid and couered in Gods sight as our aduersaries doe falsely charge vs to say but they are truely forgiuen vs for Christs sake and shall neuer be remembred any more But yet there is left in vs some remnant of sinne so long as we liue in this flesh which in the end together with the corruption and mortalitie of the bodie shall bee cleane taken away Argum. 1. If wee say wee haue no sinne wee deceiue our selues and the truth is not in vs 1. Iohn 1.8 Ergo there are none liuing at any time voyde of sinne no not in their Baptisme Saint Paul also exhorteth to bee renewed in minde and to put on the new man and put off the old Ephes. 4.23 Ergo there remaineth some sinne and corruption after Baptisme what neede else this renewing of the minde and putting on the new man afterward Argum. 2. Originall sinne is not taken away in Baptisme therefore some sinne remayneth still And that this originall corruption is properly called sinne and is sin indeede S. Paul sheweth euidently Rom. 7. ver 7 8. where he nameth lust and concupiscence sinne Augustine thus writeth Meminisse debemus peccatorum omnium plenam remissionem fieri in Baptismo hominis verò qualitatem non totam continuò mutari We must remember that all our sinnes are fully remitted in Baptisme but the quality of man that is the corruption and staine or blot of sinne is not wholly chaunged THE SECOND PART WHETHER BAPtisme serue onely for remission of sinnes past not for the sinnes also to come The Papists error 108 CHristes death applyed to man by Baptisme wypeth away al sinnes past for new sinnes other remedies be dayly requisite Rhemist Heb. 10. sect 4. The councell of Trent holdeth them accursed that thinke all sinnes to be forgiuen fide Baptismi suscepti by faith of Baptisme receiued sess 7. can 10. Heereupon their saying ariseth that Baptismus est prima tabula post naufragium that Baptisme is the first boord of refuge after shipwracke Poenitentia est secunda tabula post naufragium penance is the second boord of refuge So that if a man do fall after Baptisme he must vse other helpes and meanes for the remission of sinnes for Baptisme is not auaileable for sinnes afterward committed Bellarm. cap. 18. Argum. It is impossible saith the Apostle for them that haue beene once lightened and tasted of the heauenly grace if they fall away to bee renewed by penance Heb. 6.6 that is they which fall away from faith and grace after Baptisme cannot be baptized againe or be illuminated or renouated by so easie a cleansing of sinnes as the Sacrament of Baptisme did yeeld Ergo Baptisme is not auaileable for remission of sinnes which men fall into afterward Bellarm. cap. 18. Ans. The Apostle speaketh not of this or that kinde of Repentance but generally of all shewing that there is no hope of remission nor grace to repent left for those which fall into the grieuous sinne of Apostasie which hee heere describeth for they crucifie againe the Sonne of God and make a mock of him ver 6. And that the Apostle vnderstandeth the sinne of Apostasie the sinne against the holy Ghost it appeareth by comparing that other place Heb. 10.29 with this for there they are said to tread vnder foote the sonne of God and to despite the spirit of grace The Apostle then cutteth off such from all hope of grace and repentaunce not onely barreth them from some speciall kinde of repentance The Protestants THe externall act of Baptisme neither wipeth away sinnes going before or comming after but it is the inward working of the spirite of God which by the vertue of Christs death testified and shewed forth in Baptisme that washeth away our sinnes And Baptisme is a seale of remission of sinnes for the confirmation of our faith euen of those which are committed after Baptisme as well as of sinnes done before and although the ceremonie of Baptisme be not repeated yet the vertue of Gods spirit testified thereby remaineth to our liues end Argum. 1. Mark 16.16 He that shall beleeue and be baptized shall bee saued Wee reason thus Baptisme is a seale of that faith whereby men are saued or to the which saluation is promised but that faith beleeueth remission of all sinnes both past and to come therefore Baptisme also sealeth vnto vs the remission of all our sinnes going before or following after Argum. 2. Baptisme is a signe and seale of our mysticall washing in the blood of Christ But all our sinnes both before and after are washed away by the blood of Christ Ergo Baptisme doth assure vs of a perfit remission of all our sinnes So saith Augustine Eodem lauacro regenerationis verbo sanctificationis omnia prorsus mala hominum regeneratorum sanantur etiam quae posterius humana ignorantia aut infirmitate committuntur By the same
thus Isti significati sunt ad Timotheum c. These of whome the Apostle speaketh are signified in another place to Timoth. 2.2.19 The foundation of God remaineth sure the Lorde knoweth who are his Ergo this assurance and confidence is common though not in the like measure to all faithfull Christians Augustine also saith Quia non secundum merita nostra sed illius misericordiam firma est promissio nemo debet cum trepidatione praedicare vnde non potest dubitare Because the promise remaineth stedfast not by our workes but his mercie we must not with trembling and fearefulnes pronounce that whereof wee cannot doubt No maruaile then if Papists doubt of their saluation because their confidence is built vpon their workes but if they would with the faithfull of God renounce their owne workes and be content to submit themselues to the faith of Christ they would not thinke it so strange a thing for Christians to haue a full and stedfast perswasion of their saluation THE SECOND PART OF THE BENEFIT of our vocation to the which belongeth the knowledge of sinne and the lawe THE FIRST QVESTION of sinne THe partes of this question are these first of originall sinne secondly of the difference of sinnes thirdly of veniall sinnes fourthly whether all sinnes be remissible fiftly whether God bee the author of sinne sixtly whether the workes of the not regenerate are sinne THE FIRST PART OF originall sinne The Papists error 59 COncupiscence which wee also call originall sinne remaining after Baptisme is not properly a sinne nor forbidden by commaundement till it raigne in vs and wee obey the desires thereof it is called sinne because it is the matter effect and occasion of sinne Rhemist Rom. 6. sect 6. Concil Trident. sess 5. Argum. Iam. 1.15 Concupiscence when it hath conceiued bringeth forth sinne Ergo it is not sinne of it selfe but when the consent of will commeth sinne is engendred Rhemist The Protestants Ans. THe argument followeth not concupiscence bringeth forth sinne Ergo it is no sinne nay it shall the rather bee sinne as one serpent bringeth forth another so both the mother and daughter are sinne for euill fruites doe shew an euill tree Argum. Saint Paul saith that concupiscence is flatly forbidden by the law which saith Thou shalt not lust Rom. 7.7 And vers 17. He calleth it sinne dwelling in vs though it doe not reigne in vs Ergo it is properly sinne Augustine saith Omnium malorum reatu caret qui baptizatur non omnibus malis He that is baptized is cleared from the guilt of all euils or sinnes but not from the euils themselues Dimittuntur in Baptismo omnia peccata originaliter tracta ignoranter vel scienter adiecta All sinnes are forgiuen in Baptisme both originall and committed ignorantly or wittingly Therefore originall sinne is no otherwaies taken away in Baptisme then other sinnes are but the guilt onely of other sinnes is remitted in Baptisme the blot or staine remaineth still Ergo originall sinne ceaseth in respect of the guilt for neither it nor any other sinnes shall be imputed vnto those which are iustified in Christ But it is a sinne still as the rest are Augustine also dare call it a sinne Concupiscentia peior est ignorantia Concupiscence is worse then ignorance And in another place Ignorantia in ijs qui intelligere noluerunt peccatum est in ijs qui non potuerunt poena peccati But ignorance is in them which are able to learne sinne in those that cannot a punishment of sinne If ignorance be sinne concupiscence worse then ignorance is much more THE SECOND PART OF THE difference of sinnes The Papists SOme sinnes are deadly or mortall because all that doe them are worthie of error 60 damnation others bee veniall that is to say pardonable of their owne nature Rhemist Rom. 1.11 Argum. Sinne when it is finished bringeth foorth death Iam. 1.15 Ergo not all sinne but that which is consummate and perfited is mortall Rhemist ibid. The Protestants Ans. OVt of this place it is gathered that there are degrees of sinne and that the more heynous sinne is worthie of more grieuous death and condemnation but that concupiscence or other lesse sinnes deserue not death it is not hence proued seeing the Scripture saith That the wages of all sinne is death Rom. 6.23 Argum. That no sinne is veniall or pardonable of it owne nature but that the least deserueth death if God should deale with vs according to the exact rule of his iustice it thus appeareth First if all sinnes are not mortall Christ died not for all sinnes for he by his death did satisfie onely for sinnes that deserued death but Christ died for all sinnes Iohn 1.19 Secondly all transgression of Gods lawe is sinne and deserueth the curse of God Galath 3.10 But all sinne is the transgression of the lawe 1. Iohn 3.4 Augustine and other of the fathers doe vse this terme of veniall sinnes but not in their sense as though any sinne in it owne nature deserued pardon but by veniall sinnes they vnderstand the lesser and smaller faultes which are more easilie forgiuen at Gods hand then the greater Sunt venialiae peccata there are certaine veniall sinnes without the which a man cannot liue saith Augustine Propter omnia peccata baptismus inuentus est propter leuia oratio dominica For all sinnes Baptisme is a remedy and the Lords praier for the lesse De symbolo lib. 1.6 By veniall sinnes he vnderstandeth the smaller sinnes which are not pardonable in their owne nature for then it were not necessarie to aske forgiuenes for them in the Lords praier they would vanish away of themselues Wherefore wee cannot receiue this popish distinction of veniall and mortall sinnes as they vnderstand it as the Scripture vseth to speake wee doe not greatly mislike them that is by grace and mercie in Christ all sinnes euen the greatest are not onely pardonable but pardoned vnto vs Isay 1.18 But vnto the wicked and impenitent euery sinne is mortall they shall euen by their idle words be condemned Matth. 12.36.37 THE THIRD PART OF THOSE which they call veniall sinnes The Papists error 61 1. SInne is voluntarie otherwise it is no sinne and therefore the passions that are in men hauing not the consent of wil are farre from sinne and are not imputed to any man neither for them neede hee say vnto God Forgiue vs our sinnes Rhemist Rom. 7. sec. 8.9 The Protestants SInnes done without consent of the inward man are neuer imputed but this must be vnderstoode onely of the regenerate in whome there is a new man borne of the spirite Argum. That inuoluntarie lustes which arise in the heart not hauing the consent of will are in their nature sinne it is euident by Saint Pauls words Rom. 7.20 If I doe that I would not then is it not I any longer that doe it but sinne that dwelleth in mee he calleth it sinne though he consent not vnto it
works which were done of the heathen without faith and of carnal men before they are called how goodly soeuer they seeme in the sight of men are nothing els but peccata speciosa glorious and goodly sinnes Argum. Whatsoeuer is not of faith is sinne Rom. 14. And without faith it is impossible to please God Heb. 6.6 Seeing then they could not please God with their faithlesse workes they must needs be in danger of his wrath Augustine writeth thus Si ad consequendam beatam vitam quam nobis fides quae in Christo est promittit nihil prosunt homini virtutes nullo modo possunt verae esse virtutes If mens vertues helpe them not towards the attaining of eternall life which is promised onely by faith in Christ they cannot be said truely to be vertues but such are the workes of men before they haue faith Ergo if they be not vertuous actions what are they els but vicious and sinfull THE SECOND QVESTION CONCERNING the law with the seuerall partes thereof THe partes of this question are these First whether it be possible in this life to keepe the law Secondly whether iust men doe sinne Thirdly of the workes of supererogation Fourthly whether God be to be serued for hope of reward or feare of punishment Fiftly of the vse and office of the Law THE FIRST PART WHETHER IT BE possible in this life to keepe the Law The Papists 1. IF any man say that the precepts and commandements of God vnto a man error 66 iustified and in the state of grace are impossible to be kept let him be accursed Concil Trid. sess 6. can 18. Argum. Rom. 8.4 That the righteousnes of the Law might be fulfilled in vs Ergo the law of God by the grace of Christ may be kept and the keeping therof is our iustice S. Iohn also saith The commandements of God are not heauy 1. Ioh. 5.3 And our Sauiour saith His yoke is sweete and his burden light Ergo the commandements of God are possible to be fulfilled in this life The Protestants Ans. FIrst the Apostle saith not that the law is fulfilled by vs but in vs by Christ who is made our righteousnes and sanctification by faith 1. Cor. 1.30 The law remaineth still impossible to be kept by vs through the weakenes of our flesh neither doth God giue vs ability to keep it but Christ hath fulfilled it for vs we notwithstanding being bound to walke in obedience to the commandements of God which is farre off from perfection or keeping the law as Gods iustice requireth 2. To him that is borne of God and his sinnes pardoned by the grace of Christ the commandements of God are not grieuous not because they can perfitly be fulfilled but because strength is giuen to keepe them in part and the curse of the law is taken away and our transgressions answered in Christ. Argum. 1. If it were possible for any man to keepe the law it is possible in this life to be without sinne But if any man say he hath no sinne he is a liar 1. Ioh. 1.8 Argum. 2. S. Iames saith 2.10 If a man should keepe the whole law and yet faile in one point is guiltie of all He then that will keepe the law must keep it perfectly and not faile in the least point but so is no mortall man able to doe wherefore it is an horrible blasphemie to say that it is possible for any mortall man to keepe the whole law Augustine thus expoundeth that place Philip. 3.15 Let vs as many as be perfect be thus minded by the which place the Rhemists would proue a perfection of iustice in this life Potest quis esse perfectus iustitiae cognitor licet non sit perfectus effector A man may know the rule of iustice perfectly though he be not a perfect doer he vnderstandeth a perfection of knowledge not a perfection of iustice The Papists 2. THey say that those sinnes which they call veniall that is the lesser smaller error 67 offences doe not hinder the iustice of men but that they may truly be called and are indeede iust for all those sinnes and may notwithstanding them keepe the law of God and be free from the curse thereof which is laide vpon mortall and great sinnes not veniall and smaller offences Rhemist 1. Iohn 1. sect 5. Galath 3. sect 4. The Protestants THat men are iust before God for all their daily transgressions of frailetie and manifolde infirmities by the righteousnes of Christ made theirs by a liuely faith we deny not but that there is no perfect inherent iustice in themselues neither that they can perfectly keepe the law because of those sinnes thus we proue it out of the word of God Argu. They which doe but in the least point break the law are subiect to the curse thereof for it is written Cursed is he that continueth not in all things written in the law to doe them Galath 3.10 And what is to be vnderstoode by all things our Sauiour declareth Math. 5. where he sheweth how murder may be committed in the affection and in the tongue and adulterie likewise in the eye Ergo the smaller offences are also transgressions of the law from the which seeing the most righteous men vpon earth are not free they cannot perfectly keep the law nor by their own iustice escape the curse thereof Augustine Custodit vias Dei qui non sic exorbitat vt eas relinquat sed in eis currendo proficit et si aliquādo vt infirmus titubat proficit tamen minuēdo peccata He is saide to keepe the waies of God which doth not so turne aside out of them that he altogether leaue them but doth dayly profite and goe forward in keeping of them and although he sometime stumble yet he profiteth by diminishing of his sinnes As he therefore that stumbleth and is turned sometime out of the way doth not perfectly keepe the way no more doth the righteous man perfectly keepe the law of God which he transgresseth by his daily sinnes In isto ergo conflictu induimur ea iustitia qua ex fide viuitur In this conflict therefore let vs put on the righteousnes of faith he giueth counsell that men should leaue their own righteousnes and rather labour to liue by faith and be counted righteous in Christ. THE SECOND PART WHETHER iust men doe sinne The Papists error 68 1. A Iust man in his good workes doth not sinne so much as venially that is not in the least manner no not at all Concil Trident. sess 6. can 25. Whervpon it followeth that the good works of righteous men are so perfect that the least imperfection or blot cannot be found in them The Protestants THe most righteous men vpon earth haue not onely their infirmities and are in danger to sinne dayly but euen their best and most holy workes are blemished with some infirmitie and haue a smacke of sinne Argum. Iob saith If I wash my selfe with snowe
that faith was requisite to make a true member of the church here he saith that without faith a mēber cā not be knowen much lesse therfore made 3 The Rhemistes confesse in these very words that in the raigne of their imagined and supposed Antichrist the externall state of the Romane church and publike entercourse of the faithfull with the same shall cease and that there shal be onely a communion in hart with it and practise in secret Annot. in 2. Thess. 2. Sect. 10. Where then I pray you shal be your tabernaculum in sole ciuitas in monte candela splendens in domo your tabernacle in the sunne your Citie in a mountaine your candle shining in the house that is say you in the world Math. 5. Sect. 3. Ergo out of their owne wordes we conclude that the church shall not alwayes be visible and notoriously knowen in the world Lastly we will conclude with Augustine Aliquando in sola domo Noah Ecclesia erat in solo Abraham Ecclesia erat in solo Loth domo eius Ecclesia erat in solo Henoch Ecclesia erat Sometime the church was onely in Henochs house sometime onely in Noah some time in Abraham alone in Loth his house How then hath the church bene alwayes so visible and notoriously knowē to the world when it hath layen hidden some time in one house yea in one man THE SECOND QVESTION whether the Church may erre THis questiō is deuided into two parts First whether the catholike church may erre at all or not Secondly whether the visible church vpon earth may fall away from God into Idolatrie and apostasie THE FIRST PART WHETHER THE Catholike Church may erre in doctrine The Papistes THey do teach that the catholike church can not possiblie erre not onely in matters absolutely necessarie to saluation but not in any thing which error 16 it imposeth and commaundeth whether it be conteined in the word of God or not yea that it can not erre in these things which beside the word of God are commaunded And by the church here they do meane not onely the Pastors and Bishops but the whole companie of the faithfull so that neither that which all the pastors of the church do teach can be erronious nor what is receiued generally of the whole church Bellarm. de Eccles. lib. 3. cap. 14. Rhemist annot an Iohan. 14. ver 16. 1 The church say they is the pillar of truth 1. Tim. 3. Ergo it can not erre We answere First it is no otherwise the pillar of truth then a virgin without spot and wrincle Ephe. 5.27 As that place doth not priuiledge the church frō all sinne and imperfection of life so neither doth this place exempt her from all error in doctrine Secondly she is called the pillar of truth in respect of vs because the truth is preserued in the true church and is not els where to be found not because the truth dependeth vpon the church for S. Paule sendeth not Timothie in this place to learne of the church as though it could not possiblie be deceiued but saith he these things haue I written that thou mayst know how to behaue thy selfe in the house of God ver 14.15 Ergo the word of God is the rule of truth and the church hath no warrant to be kept from error but as she is lead and gouerned by the word of God Thirdly the argument foloweth not for Peter was a pillar and yet erred Gallat 2.9.11 2 They heape many arguments together The church hath the spirite of God to lead it into all truth the gates of hell shall not preuaile against it Math. 16. God hath geuen it Apostles teachers Euangelistes to keepe it in the truth Ephe. 4. Christ hath prayed for the church that it may be sanctified in the veritie Iohn 17. Christ prayed that Peters faith should not faile Ergo the church can not erre Rhemens annot 1. Timoth. 3.15 We answere euery one of the elect hath the spirite of God neither shall the gates of hell preuaile against the faith of any one of the elect to ouerthrow it Christ prayeth for euery one of his Disciples that they may be sanctified in the truth Iohn 17.20 wherefore it foloweth as well by these arguments that no one faithfull man can fall into error The pastors and teachers so long as they folow the Apostles doctrine may keepe the church from error but it is not gathered out of that place Ephe. 4. that the pastors if they swarue from Gods word can not erre Concerning Peter Christ prayed for him that his faith should not faile in that greeuous tentation which he fell into Secondly he prayed not for him as gouernour of the church but as he prayeth for euery faithfull man Iohn 17.23 Thirdly for all this prayer Peter erred Gallat 2. 3 This argument was vsed in the Councell of Basill the Church is without spot and wrincle Ephe. 5.27 Ergo without error We aunswere First S. Paule speaketh there of a glorious church such as it shal be in the kingdome of heauen not of the church as it is vpon earth so Reuel 7.14 The elders which sat round about the throne which are the Saintes in heauen were seene in long white robes which they had washed white in the bloud of the Lambe 2 It foloweth out of this place that the church is as well without sinne as free from error which the diuines in the Councell did also graunt But seeing by their owne confession euery member of the church being clothed in this mortall flesh sinneth how can the church be without sinne If the church consist of men and all men are sinners how is the church free If all the partes and members be sinnefull how is not the whole also polluted with sinne If all the partes of the body be sicke and diseased how can the whole be sound The church also is not ashamed to confesse her selfe to be blacke Cant. 1.5 she shal be made bewtifull and glorious without all spot blemish in the kingdome of God and euen now also is made righteous and iust before God through Christ not because she hath no sinne but because it is remitted and although some errors and imperfections remaine yet shall they be no hinderaunce to her saluation The Protestantes WE doubt not to say that the church of God may erre in some points not necessarie to saluation but can not fall cleane away from God into any dānable error Fulk annot in Ephe. 5. ver 29. That the church may erre as we say we do shew it thus and by the Church we vnderstand the whole companie and congregation the pastors with the people 1 When our Sauiour Christ suffred the church erred in faith Ergo it may erre the proposition is thus proued The church was either in the Scribes and Pharisies or els in the Apostles but both of them erred they in putting Christ to death the other in their incredulitie not beleeuing rightlie in the
sect 8. Ans. 1. In this place Christ reproueth the Pharisies for their swearing and condemneth it by this argument that howsoeuer they thought it a smal matter to sweare by the Temple yet in effect they did sweare by God himselfe See thē the boldnes of these men that dare iustifie swearing by creatures by the same reason that Christ condemneth it 2. Our Sauiour saith nothing but this that in euery othe there is an inuocation of the diuine power and therefore whosoeuer sweareth by a creature committeth idolatrie in making it his God The Protestants 1. THat it is great impietie to make vowes vnto Saints it is thus proued Isay 19.21 In that day the Egyptians shal know the Lord and shal do sacrifices and vow vowes vnto the Lord. But sacrifices are not due vnto saintes but onely to God therefore neither vowes Againe the vowes of Christians are not to binde them selues to go in pilgrimage or to offer vnto this Saint or that this Image or that as Augustine saith alius pallium alius oleum alius ceram one voweth a cloke another oyle a third a wax Candle God careth not for these vowes saith he Sed hoc quod hodie redemit ipsum offer hoc est animam tuam But offer and vow vnto God that which as this day hee hath redeemed that is thy soule The vowes therefore of obedience and repentance and all Christian dueties are the true vowes the vowing of body and soule to the seruice of God Rom. 12.1 But this can not bee vowed vnto any but to him that redeemed vs Ergo not to any Saint 2 That wee ought onely to sweare by the name of God the scripture is plaine Deuteron 6 13. Thou shalt feare the Lord thy God and serue him and shalt sweare by his name and by no other Exod. 23.13 But saintes are not to be feared nor serued for the Septuagint translate 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Thou shalt worship God which kinde of worship the Papists themselues dare not attribute to saintes Ergo neither are we to sweare by them Againe to sweare is to cal him to witnesse by whome we sweare and so to make him our God for whom we sweare by wee confesse to be a searcher and knower of our hearts and a reuenger of false swearers To sweare then is to call God to witnesse Quid tu facis cum iuras Deum testem adhibes Augustine What doest thou when thou swearest Thou callest God to wintesse But they that sweare by saints call them to witnesse and none els are called to witnesse but they by whom they sweare Ergo they make Saints their Gods seeing God is called vpon in euery oath THE SECOND PART OF THE distinction of the two kindes of worshippe 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The Papists error 26 THat kinde of worship which is proper to God they say is fitly expressed by the Greek word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 neither is this word vsed but for the worship of God the other word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is taken for all kind of seruice both of God men so that the religious worshippe which is called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is onely to be giuen to God the other called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 may bee attributed to Angelles and Saintes Bellarmine Cap. 12. The Protestants This distinction is but of late inuented and coyned of our aduersaries somewhat to countenance them out in their idolatrous and superstitious worship of saints We thus do refell it Argum. 1. This distinction helpeth them not for heere are onely two wordes which doo betoken two kinds of worship 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is the religious honor 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is the ciuil dutie such as seruants performe to their masters They should haue found out three names for their three kindes of worshippe they haue gained nothing by this distinction but that ciuill adoration is due vnto Saints such as is giuen to men vpon earth As for their fayned word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which may be called a superseruice when they can find it in scripture they shal know more of our minde and yet receiuing this terme it signifieth but a more ciuill seruice it betokeneth not a new kinde of religious worship Argum. 2 Neither are the wordes so vsed as they make vs beleeue for the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which they make proper for the seruice of God is applyed to men as Leuit. 23. Opus seruile non facietis You shal do no seruil work the word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Lodouic Viues also sheweth out of prophane authors that somtime the word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is taken for the seruice of men or maids to their masters in 10. lib. Aug. de ciuit Dei cap. 1. So contrariwise the worde 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is taken in scripture for the proper seruice of God as Gal. 4.8 Ye did seruice to them that by nature were no gods the word is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ergo religious seruice is only due vnto God not to Angelles or saints for they are not by nature gods Augustine saith 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 debetur Deo tanquam Domino 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 verò nō nisi Deo tanquam Deo quaest in Exod. 94. Religious seruice is due vnto God as Lord religious worship is onely due vnto God as he is God THE THIRD PART CONCERNING the kissing of holy mens feete The Papists IT is a signe of reuerence done both to Christ and other sacred persons as Prophetes Apostles Popes or others representing his person heere vpon error 27 earth Rhemist act 4. sect 3. Argum. 1. The Shunamite fell downe and embraced Eliseus feete 2. King 4.27 Ergo the Popes feete ought to be kissed Ans. 1 Your popes must be first as holy men as this Prophet was who was thus reuerenced for his holynes before they can challenge the like honor 2 This reuerence to the prophet was voluntary in the woman not looked for or exacted by the prophet as the pope looketh for it of duty 3 Heere is no mention made of kissing of feete but onely that she caught him by the feete which was partly a signe of her ioy that she had met with the prophet partely by this sodain and disordered gesture the prophet perceyued that she was troubled in minde for Gehazi would haue thrust her away but he said Let her alone for her spirite is troubled within her 4 This is no warrant for the pope to offer his feete to be kissed of Kinges and Emperours because the woman fell downe at the prophetes feete think you that if the King of Israel had so done the prophet would haue suffered it Argum. 2. Marie kissed Christs feete Ergo the popes feete ought to be kissed Ans. What arrogancie is this that the pope a mortall and sinfull man should challenge that honor which was done to Christ being God in the flesh and void of sinne He might also
of a woman which was a sinner and more setteth foorth his power then otherwise lest he should be thought to haue deriued his puritie from his mother 2 They holde that there was no actuall sinne in the Virgin Marie no not the lest and smallest sinnes which they call venial Rhemist 1. Iohn 1. sect 5. She was especially protected and preserued from sinning by the grace of God Ans. That God is able clearely to rid his children from sinne to preserue them from falling thereinto we denie not but seeing you haue no scripture for this priuiledge that should be bestowed onely vpon Marie to be free from sin but rather the contrary is proued out of scripture That all haue sinned Rom. 3.23 it is too rash and bolde an assertion contrary to the will of God to ascribe any thing to his power He is as able to exempt all from sinning as one vnlesse therefore you can shew some especiall warrant out of Gods word for Maries freedome by your reason all the children of God shall bee freed from sinne as wel as Marie because God is able to doe it The Protestants THat the Virgin Marie was both conceiued in sinne and was also subiect to actuall sinnes in her life as other of the children of God thus out of the scripture we doe declare it 1 How els can the word of God be true that sayth All haue sinned Rom. 3.23 5.12 They will answere that Marie had an especiall priuiledge then let them shew it out of the word of God and we will beleeue otherwise the general conclusion must stand that all haue sinned Againe Marie her self in her song calleth Christ her Sauiour Luk. 1.47 Ergo she was a sinner for how els could she be saued from her sinnes which she had not If they answere as they doe that Christ was her Sauiour onely because hee preserued her from sinne Wee doe thus replie First that a Sauiour in scripture is defined to be he that saueth the people from their sinnes Math. 1.21 not that preserueth onely Secondly if Marie were free from originall sinne as they say she was she needed not a Sauiour to keep her from sinne for she might haue preserued herselfe Arg. 2 Marie dyed Ergo she was a sinner for sinne brought death into the world Rom. 1.5 If she had had no sinne she had not dyed Christ indeede though he were no sinner yet he bare our sinnes and therefore dyed for vs. Christ checked and rebuked his mother Iohn 2.4 Woman what haue I to doe with thee Ergo it seemeth she was not without fault Rhemist answere It was rather a doctrine to others to teach them not to do any thing for respect of kinred against reason then a reprehension to Mary Wee replie But I pray you how could the Apostles learne to beware of that fault if it had beene no fault in Marie How could they be admonished in her if she were not first her selfe admonished And the maner of speech sheweth it was a rebuke Christ saluting her by no other name then if he had spoken to any other woman Argum. 3. The Papists themselues are in a stagger and dare not constantly affirme that Marie was conceiued without sinne but put in this clause as many godly deuout men iudge Rhemist Rom. 5. sect 9. And Bellarmine sayth in maiori parte Ecclesiae piè credi that the greater part of the Church doth so godly beleeue yet he dare not determine vpon it himselfe de cult sanctor lib. 3. cap. 16. But why are they afrayd to holde it as an vndoubted trueth seeing Pope Sixtus hath clearely determined that it was so forbidding the Dominick Friers to preach the contrary and hereupon erected a new holy day of her conception Here then they are driuen to a great straight for either they must abolutely hold that she was not conceiued in sin agaynst the Master of sentences and Thom. Aquinas with other schoolemen or els holde the contrary and so confesse the Pope to haue been in error Augustine sayth beatior Maria percipiendo fidem Christi quà m concipiendo carnem Christi Materna propinquitas nihil Mariae profuisset nisi foeliciùs Christum corde quà m carne gestasset Marie was more happy in perceiuing the fayth of Christ then in conceiuing the flesh of Christ neither had it profited her to be the mother of Christ if she had not more happily borne him in her heart then she did in her wombe But what neede had Marie to beleeue in Christ if she had been pure from her natiuity and had no sinnes to be forgiuen her Augustine yet more playnly sayth Maria ex Adam mortua propter peccatum Adae Adam mortuus est propter peccatum caro domini ex Maria mortua est propter delenda peccata Marie dyed being borne of Adam because of the sinne of Adam Adam dyed because of his owne sinne Christ dyed in the flesh to take away our sinnes Ergo Marie by his sentence was borne in the sinne of Adam THE SECOND PART WHETHER Marie vowed Virginitie before the Annuntiation The Papists error 81 THey would gather and conclude so much out of the answere of Marie to the Angell who told her she should conceaue and beare a sonne How can this be sayth she seeing I know no man That is she plainly declareth she could haue no childe by knowing a man because of her vow for otherwise she needed not haue asked such a question how a woman might haue a sonne promised her if she had maried to haue carnal copulation Rhemist Luk. 1. sect 13. Bellarmin de Monachis cap. 22. Ans. First Ambrose maketh this to be the cause why Marie so answered she had read the prophesie of Esay that a virgin should conceiue bring forth a sonne and therefore knew very wel that this holy childe should be otherwise conceiued then by the knowledge or helpe of man Fulk ibid. Secondly as also the Angel deliuering at once his whole message and shewing what maner of childe it should be euen the Sonne of the most high who should sit on the throne of Dauid and of his kingdome there should be no end that is that the childe should be the Sonne of God she straightwayes conceiued that such a holy seede could not be borne of man and therefore asketh how without man he might be borne Sic Caluin Beza The Protestants THat Marie as she was an entire Virgin before the birth of Christ so that she continued also a Virgin all her life after we doe verily think and condemne their opinion that holde the contrarie but that she vowed or purposed Virginitie before the message of the Angel was brought vnto her it is rashly without scripture nay rather agaynst it affirmed Argum. 1. The text is playne that they had a purpose to consummate their mariage When as Marie was betrothed to Ioseph before they came together Math. 1.18 Ergo there was a meaning to come together if she
138. Out of Christs side dying vpon the Crosse issued the sacraments of the Church namely Baptisme and the Eucharist He draweth not both water and wine to signifie one sacrament but applyeth them to both THE FIFTH QVESTION OF THE wordes of consecration The Papists THese words say they This is my body to be spoken ouer the bread and the error 119 like ouer the wine This is the new testament in my blood are the very forms of the Sacraments and words of consecration which being vttered immediatly the elements are changed into the body and blood of Christ wherefore these words are not to be read historically for the instruction of the people but they are onely consecratory wordes to be pronounced ouer the elements Rhemist 1. Cor. 11. sect 11. Bellarm. lib. 4. de sacram cap. 13. Argu. If these were not the onely words of consecration This is my body and if presently vpon the vttering of these words the body of Christ was not present then should not the words of Christ be true Bellarm. ibid. The Protestants 1. WE acknowledge no such consecration at all by vertue whereof the elements are conuerted and transubstantiate into the body of Christ as we haue before shewed A consecration we graunt which is a setting apart of the elements which before were common to holy vses and by the vetue of Christs institution to be made vnto vs signes of holy things Secondly those are not the onely words of consecration This is my body and This is the cup of my blood and yet Christs wordes shall be true for we must not dismember the sentence Christ saith Take eate ye this is my body it is then made his body to be taken and eaten by taking then and eating the elements also are consecrated not onely by saying of the words ye must not then diuide the words of the institution for then they shall no more consecrate then if you should pronounce but two of your consecratory words as This is or My body and leaue out the rest Thirdly that these are not the onely words of consecration it appeareth because both the bread was broken and distributed and the Cuppe also before Christ spake those words as Math. 26.26 for first Christ saith Take eate and Take and drink before he said either This is my body or This is my blood neither can ye well tell yourselues which are your consecratory wordes for the Cup whether those that Mathew setteth downe This is my blood of the newe testament or as Luke hath This Cup is the new testament in my blood Nay Bellarmine vseth an other forme beside these Hic est calixâ—sâ—â— guinis This is the Cup of my blood Bellarm. cap. 13. Fourthly we conclude then that not onely these words but al the rest belonging to the institution are to be rehearsed in the Sacrament both to instruct the people that they may know the right vse of the Sacrament and they help also with the rest of the whole action of taking eating drinking praying thankesgiuing to consecrate and make the SacrameÌ„t as we haue shewed more at large before controu 11. quest 1. part 2. to that place we referre the Reader THE SIXT QVESTION OF THE PROPER effect and vse of the Lords Supper The Papists THey doe generally holde that this Sacrament was not properly ordeined error 120 for remission of sinnes neither that the Sacrament hath any such vse but it serueth onely as a preseruatiue against sinne Trident. Concil sess 13. can 5. Bellarm lib. 4. de sacram cap. 17. Secondly they teach that faith is not sufficient to prepare vs for the Communion and although a man be neuer so contrite quantumcunque se contritos existiment yet they must be throughly purged and absolued from their mortall sinnes before they come to communicate Concil Trident. sess 13. canon 11. Bellarm ibid. Argum. 1. They that receiue the Communion are one body as they are partakers of one bread 1. Cor. 10.17 but they which are in any greeuous and deadly sinne are not liuely members of Christ and of his mysticall body therefore the sacrament doth not profit them at all Bellarm. ibid. Ans. 1. Neither doe we affirme that men ought rashly presumptuously to come to the Lords table but to repent them throughly of their sinnes and to haue a stedfast and liuely faith in Christ who cannot be said thus preparing themselues to remaine in their sinnes neither yet are they so fully acquited of them that they need not to receiue the Sacrament to their comfort and to strengthen their faith in the hope and assurance of the remission of sinnes Secondly wherefore all this hindreth not but that they should be true members of Christs body euen hauing a troubled conscience and labouring vnder the burthen of their sinnes for the weake and sicke parts of the bodie are they therfore no partes at all because of their infirmities Augustine saith very wel Non filios diaboli faciunt quaecunque peccata peccaÌ„t enim et filij Dei In quibus non est fides filij sunt Diaboli Euery sin maketh not a man the childe of the deuil for the Children of God also sinne but they which haue no faith are the sonnes of the Deuill Ergo all sinnes cut not men off from the body of Christ but onely the want of faith they then that haue sinned and doe repent them and come with faith are still the sonnes of God and members of Christs body Argum. 2. There is not one and the same proper vse and end of diuerse Sacraments but Baptisme is receiued for remission of sinnes Ergo the Eucharist is not for that end Bellarm. ibid. Ans. 1. The death of Christ and so remission of sinnes purchased by the same is properly represented vnto vs in both Sacraments yet in a diuerse respect for as to be borne is one thing to be fed and nouâ—â—shed is another yet both worke the same thing in the body though diuersly for the birth giueth life meate and drink preserueth it the same difference is betweene Baptisme and the Lords Supper they both are seales vnto vs of our iustification in the remission of sinnes by Christ but by Baptisme we are initiated regenerate and borne anew and engrafted into the body of Christ. The other sacrament doth confirme encrease and nourish our faith already begun and planted in vs for the remission of sinnes and all other benefits of Christs passion The Protestants FIrst we doe truly affirme and teach that an especiall and principall vse of the Eucharist or Communion is to strengthen and assure our faith of the remission of sinnes and yet we deny not but that it hath other vses beside for as in Baptisme not onely the washing away of our sinnes is shewed forth but it also betokeneth our dying to sinne and rising to newnes of life Ro. 6.3.4 So in the Lords supper whole Christ with all his benefites is exhibited vnto vs as it is a pledge vnto vs
onely faith but loue or charitie obtaineth remission of sinnes Bellarm. ibid. Rhemist in hunc locum The Protestants Ans. THe argument is not from the cause to the effect but from the effect to the cause for Christ doth not reason thus she loued much therefore many sinnes are forgiuen her but contrariwise Many sinnes are forgiuen her therefore she loueth much As the next words declare to whom little is remitted he loueth little And our Sauiour sayth in plaine words in the last verse That her faith had saued her whereof her loue was an effect Argum. That the contrition of the heart is no meanes of our iustification nor a meriting cause or procuring of remission of sinnes Saint Paul sheweth Rom. 4.5 6. To him that beleeueth faith is counted for righteousnes And Dauid declareth the blessednesse of that man to whom God imputeth righteousnes without workes It is faith then onely that obtaineth remission of sinnes and a man is iustified without any respect had to his workes Therefore neither contrition nor any other worke inward or outward procureth remission of sinnes but faith onely is the meane So Augustine sayth Opera sequuntur iustificatum non praecedunt iustificandum Workes followe a man alreadie iustified they goe not before to iustification De fide operib cap. 14. Therefore the worke of contrition is not auaileable to iustification The Papists 5. COntrition they say is not necessarie for veniall or small offences neither error 11 is a man bound thereunto So. lib. 4. distinct 17. articul 3. The Protestants THis assertion is cleane contrarie to scripture for the Prophet Dauid praieth not onely to be kept from presumptuous sinnes Psalm 19.13 but euen to be cleansed from his secret faults vers 12. Augustine agreeth Non solum propter vitae huius ignorantiam sed etiam propter ipsum puluerem mundi huius qui pedibus adhaerescit quotidianam habere debemus poenitentiam Not only for the ignorances of this life but euen for that drosse and dust of the world which hangeth vpon our feete we ought daily to repent vs. He meaneth the lesser and smaller scapes of our life The Papists error 12 6. THere is a kind of cōtrition that proceedeth only from the feare of punishmēt when a man doth leaue sinning not for any loue or delight he hath in God but onely for feare of damnation Euen this contrition also is good and profitable yet this seruile feare is at length cleane driuen out by charitie But there remaineth still in the godly an awe and feare of God and his iudgements with mistrust and feare of hell and damnation as Math. 10. Feare him that can cast bodie and soule into hell Rhemist Iohn 4. sect 6. Bellarm. lib. 2.17 The Protestants FIrst we acknowledge that the feare of punishment is necessarie in the beginning to make a way for true loue to enter as the bristle or needle as Augustine sayth maketh roome for the thred to enter We also confesse that there is a continuall feare and reuerence of God in the godly such as children haue of their parents but as for any mistrust or feare of hell and damnation after loue be once entred and we made the children of God which breedeth terror and anxietie of conscience it is cleane expelled and thrust out of the doores by loue Argum. So saith the Apostle There is no feare in loue but perfect loue casteth out feare and maketh vs to haue confidence in the day of iudgement 1. Ioh. 4.17 18. But he that feareth damnation and is afraid of the day of iudgement cannot haue confidence in that day So Augustine Quid dicimus de illo qui caepit timere diem iudicij si perfecta in illo esset charitas non timeret What say we to him that feareth the day of iudgement if loue were perfect in him he would not feare it THE SIXT QVESTION OF AVRICVLAR Confession the second part of penance The Papists error 13 NOne can rightly seeke for absolution at the Priests hands vnlesse they confesse particularly at the least all their mortall sinnes whether they be committed in mind heart will and cogitation onely or in word and worke with all the necessarie circumstances and differences of the same Rhemist Ioh. 20. sect 5. And this sacramentall confession as they call it must be made secretly to the Priest Concil Trident. sess 14. can 6. Argum. 1. This wonderfull power of remitting and retaining of sinnes which was giuen to the Apostles and their successors Ioh. 20.22 were giuen them in vaine if no man were bound to seeke for absolution at their hands which can not be had of them without distinct vtterance to them of our sinnes for they cannot rule the cases of conscience vnlesse they haue exact knowledge and cogitation of their sinnes Rhemist ibid. Ans. 1. God hath not made his ministers in Christs stead iudges of cases of conscience as though there were in them an actual power to remit and absolue sinnes but their office is onely to declare and set forth vnto all penitent persons the promises of God for remission of sinnes the seueritie of Gods iudgement against impenitent persons which is especially performed in the preaching and applying of the word either publiquely or priuately as S. Paul calleth the Gospell committed vnto him The word of reconciliation 2. Cor. 5.16 2. A man therefore may by their ministerie which are the preachers of reconciliation finde remission of sinnes without a particular declaration thereof neither is it necessarie for them to haue so exact a knowledge of our sinnes seeing they are not absolute iudges of the conscience but the ministers and ambassadors of reconciliation 2. Corinth 5.20 3. And Ministers are not to stay while suite is made vnto them for their helpe but they ought to exhort and desire men to be reconciled to God by their ministerie Argum. 2. As the Priests in the law had onely authoritie to discerne the leprosie of the people and therefore Christ sendeth the lepers to the Priest Luk. 17.14 so men must reueale the spirituall leprosie of sinne to the Priest Rhemist ibid. Ans. First the leprosie was not healed by the Priest but onely declared to be healed so sinnes are declared to be forgiuen by the Priest not properly forgiuē Secondly the Priest receiued not knowledge of all diseases but of this that was contagious therefore it would not followe hereupon that all sinnes are to be confessed to the Priest but such as are notorious where publique confession is by Church discipline inioyned and such confession we denie not Thirdly the argument followeth not from the Priests of the law to the Ministers of the Gospell for the Priesthood of the law is translated wholly vnto Christ who hath all knowledge to discerne and power to heale our spirituall diseases The Protestants COnfession of sinnes such as the scripture alloweth we doe acknowledge as namely these foure kinds There are priuate confessions either to God alone as Daniel confesseth
water and purge my selfe most clean yet mine owne clothes shal make me filthy Iob 9.30 that is though he should alleadge for himselfe the best workes that euer he did yet euen in those the Lord could finde out matter against him Yea S. Paul saith That he knew nothing by himselfe his owne conscience did not accuse him yet was he not thereby iustified 1. Corinth 4.4 The reason is giuen by S. Iohn that Although a mans hart condemne him not yet God is greater then our hart 1.3.20 Wherefore there is no worke of any man so perfect but before the Lord it may be found faulty for All our righteousnes is as a stained clout Augustine vpon those words of Iob. 29.14 I put on iustice as a robe Vestis ista belli magis solet esse quā pacis vbi adhuc expugnatur concupiscentia non vbi erit plena sine aliquo prorsus hoste iustitiae This garment that is a cloke or mantle is rather for warre then peace for here we doe dayly fight against concupiscence and there is no perfect righteousnes without some enemie But if so be any work of ours could be perfect without sinne righteousnes somtimes might be without an enemie which Augustine denieth The Papists 2. MOrtall sinne they say cannot consist together with the grace of God and error 69 cannot be committed by a man continuing the Sonne of God for he that is borne of God saith the Apostle sinneth not that is falleth into no mortall sinne Rhemist 1. Iohn 3. sect 5. The Protestants FIrst vnderstanding mortall sinne as they doe for euery sinne that deserueth death as are adulterie theft murder their exposition is hereticall for then Dauid should not haue beene the Sonne of God when he committed adultery and consequently should haue bene none of the predestinate he that is once the Sonne of God is alwaies euen to the end For whom God loueth he loueth to the end Iohn 13.1 Secondly the Apostles meaning when he saith He that is borne of God sinneth not is no other then that which S. Paul hath Rom. 6.12 That sinne should not raigne in our body that is the children of God though they fal into sinne continue not in it nor delight therein neither are wholly ouercome of it for it is true of them that it is not they that doe it but sinne that dwelleth in them Rom. 7.20 Augustine Quicunque in Dei prouidentiss dispositione praedestinati sunt non dico nondum renati sed etiam nondum nati filij Dei sunt perire non possunt Whosoeuer in the most wise counsell of God are predestinate to saluation not onely before they are regenerate and borne againe but euen before they are borne at all are the Children of God and cannot perish If then the elect not yet called or regenerate are the Children of God much more are they that are called and regenerate though after their calling they doe fall into some sinne for the time THE THIRD PART OF THE WORKES of Supererogation The Papists THey teach that it is not onely possible for men to keep the Lawe of God in error 70 this life but to doe more then is prescribed or commanded and that men of their abundance may allotte vnto others such workes of supererogation Rhemist 1. Cor. 9. sect 6. ex Tileman loc 3. er 16. Argu. 2. Cor. 8. sect 3. As your abundance now supplyeth their want their abundance also may supply your want that there may be equality Saints or other vertuous persons may in measure and proportion of other mens deseruings allot vnto them as well the supererogation of their spirituall works as these that abound in worldly goods may giue almes of their superfluities to them which are in necessitie Rhemist totid verbi◠Ans. 1. This place prooueth no communication of merites of one to another but that as euery one aboundeth in the gifts and graces of God so they ought to communicate the vse thereof one to anothers benefite for no man meriteth himselfe by any worke of his therefore he cannot communicate that to another which he hath not himselfe Here also mention is made of mutuall communication for one to supply anothers want but he that doth supererogate to another of the abundance of his good workes hath no need to haue his wants supplied by another mans deseruings therefore there is no mutuall communicating betwene them which is the thing whereof the Apostle speaketh in this place Argum. That no man is holpen by another mans deseruings but all that a man can doe is little enough and not sufficient for him selfe it is plaine in the Gospell where our Sauiour saith That when we haue done all that is commanded we are vnprofitable seruants and did no more thē was our dutie Luke 17.10 Ergo a man can not doe more then his dutie We may also remember the parable of the Virgins Math. 25. where the fiue wise refuse to giue of their oyle to the fiue foolish least say they there will not be enough for vs and you No man therefore hath attained to such a perfection of goodnes that he is able to spare ought for his brother but shal haue need thereof himselfe Augustine writing vpon this parable saith Vnusquisque pro se rationem reddet nec alieno testimonio quicquam adiuuatur apud Deum et vix sibi quisque sufficit vt sibi testimonium per hibeat conscientia sua Euery man shall giue account for himselfe neither is a man relieued by anothers testimonie before God the testimonie of a mans conscience is hardly sufficient for himselfe See more of this matter Controu 14. quest 7. part 4. quest 8. part 3. articul 2. THE FOVRTH PART WHETHER GOD be to be serued for hope of reward or feare of punishment The Papists error 71 1. MEn ought to doe good in respect and for reward and recompence in heauen for their good workes the Apostle saith of Moses Heb. 11. He had respect to the recompence of reward Rhemist ibid. The Protestants Ans. FIrst we deny that we ought to make account of heauen to be giuen as a iust recompence deserued by our workes for Life eternall as the Apostle saith is the free gift of God Rom. 6.23 2. We graunt that men in their wel doing ought to haue respect to the reward but not chiefely or principally but the respect of Gods glory and their owne dutie ought to moue them more Argum. Psal. 34.8 Taste and see how gratious the Lord is We ought as dutifull children to yeeld obedience to the Lord and delight in him euen because of that pleasant taste comfort and ioy which we feele in his goodnes toward vs. Augustine saith well Deus non propterea se amari vult quia dat aliquid praeter se sed quia dat se God would not be beloued of vs because he giueth or promiseth any thing beside him selfe but because he giueth himselfe The Papistes 2. EVen in right Christian
confer grace p. 416 2 Of the difference of the olde and new sacraments pag. 418 3 Of the character imprinted by the Sacraments pag. 419 4 Of the necessitie of the sacraments pag. 420 3 Of the number and order of the Sacraments 1 Of the number of them pag. 42◠2 Of their degrees amongst themselues pag. 424. The twelfth controuersie of the sacrament of Baptisme eight questions 1 Of the name and definition of Baptisme pag. 426 2 Of the partes that is the matter and forme of Baptisme pag. 427 3 Of the necessitie of Baptisme and whether baptisme may by any other way be supplied pag. 428 4 Whether women and lay men ought to baptise pag. 432 5 Of the baptisme of infants and whether they haue faith and of the baptizing of bels pag 434.436 6. Of the effectes of Baptisme 1 Whether our sinnes be cleane taken away in baptisme pag. 436 2 Whether baptisme be onely for sinnes past pag. 438 3 Of the priuiledges of Baptisme pag. 439 7. Of the difference between the baptisme of Christ and the baptisme of Iohn p. 441 8. Of the ceremonies and rites of baptisme pag. 442 The thirteenth controuersie of the Eucharist or Lords Supper two parts 1 part Of the sacrament it selfe 10. questions 1 Of the Real presence pag. 445 2 Of Transubstantiation pag. 455 3 Of the reseruation of the Sacrament pag. 459 4 Of the elements of bread and wine pag. 461 5 Of the words of consecration pag. 463 6 Of the proper effect of the Lords Supper pag. 465 7 Of the manner in receiuing the cōmunion whether it ought to be receiued fasting pag. 467 8 Of receiuing in one kinde pag. 468 9 Of the adoration of the Eucharist pag. 472 10 Whether the wicked receiue the body of Christ. pag. 473. 2. part Of the sacrifice of the Masse 8. quest 1 Of the diuers representations of the death of Christ. pag. 475 2 Of the sacrifice 1 The name of the Masse pag. 476 2 Of the sacrifice it selfe pag. 477 3 Of the name of priests pag. 481 3 Of the vertue and efficacie of the Masse pag. 483 4 For whom the Masse is auaileable pag. 484 5 Of priuate Masses pag. 485 6 Of the manner of saying Masse pag. 487 7 Of the idolatrous ceremonies of the Masse pag. 488 8 Of the forme which is the Canon of the Masse pag. 490 THE CONTENTS OF THE THIRD BOOKE The fourteenth controuersie of Penance nine questions 1 Of the name of penance pag. 501 2 Whether it be a Sacrament pag. 502 3 Whether any other sacrament of repentance beside baptisme pag. 504 4 Of the materiall partes of Baptisme 1 Of the matter and forme pag. 504 2 Of the three partes Contrition pag. 505. Confession pag. 505. Satisfaction pag. 505. 3 Whether repentance goe before faith pag. 506 5 Of Contrition pag. 507 6 Of Auricular confession pag. 510 7 Of Satisfaction 1 Whether the punishment remaine after the sinne is pardoned pag. 514 2 Whether a man may satisfie the wrath of God by his workes ibid. 3 Whether one man may satisfie for another pag. 516 8 Of penall iniunctions 1 Whether penall workes be necessary to repentance pag. 517 2 By whom they are to be enioyned pag. 518 3 Of pardons and indulgences pag. 519 9 Of the ceremonies and circumstances of Penance pag. 522 The fifteenth controuersie of Matrimony seuen questions 1 Whether Matrimonie be a sacrament pag 524 2 Of Diuorcement 1 Whether there be any other causes of diuorce beside fornication pag. 525 2 Whether mariage be lawfull after diuorcement for adulterie pag. 528 3 Of the degrees prohibited in mariage three partes 1 Of the supputation of degrees pag. 529 2 Whether any of the degrees prohibited in Moses law may be dispenced with pag. 531 3 Whether any other degrees by humane law may be prohibited pag. 533 4 Of the impediments of marriage pag. 535 5 Of the comparison between virginitie and the married estate pag. 536 6 Of the times of mariage prohibited pag. 537 7 Of the ceremonies of marriage pag. 539 The sixteenth controuersie three questions 1 Of Confirmation 1 Whether 〈◊〉 be a sacrament pag. 541 2 Of the matter and forme thereof pag. 542 3 Of the efficacie and vertue pag. 543 4 Of the rites and ceremonies pag. 544 2 Of Orders 1 Whether it be a Sacrament pag. 545 2 Of the efficacie pag. 547 3 Of the ceremonies pag. 548 3 Of extreame Vnction 1 Whether it be a Sacrament pag. 549 2 Of the vertue and efficacie pag. 550 3 Of the minister and the ceremonies pag. 551 The seuenteenth controuersie of the benefites of our redemption three partes 1 part Of Predestination 1 Of the reprobation of the wicked pag. 553 2 Our election free without respect to our workes pag. 555 3 Of the certaintie of predestination pag 556 2 part Of our Vocation 1 Of sinne 1 Of Originall sinne pag. 558 2 The difference of sinnes pag. 559 3 Of veniall sinnes pag. 560 4 Whether all sinnes be remissible pa. 561 5 God no author of sinne pag. 562 6 Of the works of the not regenerate 563 2 Of the law 5. parts 1 Whether it be possible in this life to keep the Laws pag. 564 2 Whether iust men doe sinne pag. 566 3 Of the works of supererogation p. 567 4 God not to be serued for feare pag. 568 5 Of the vse of the Law pag. 570 3. part Of iustification 1. Of freewil 1 Whether it be vtterly lost pag. 571 2 Of the power of free will in man Ibid. 2. Of Faith 1 What faith is pag. 576 2 Of the diuerse kindes of faith pag. 578 3 Charitie not the forme of iustifiyng faith pag. 579 4 How men are iustified by faith pag. 581 5 Whether faith be meritorious Ibid. 6 Whether faith be in mans power pag. 582 7 Whether it may be lost Ibid. 8 Whether wicked men haue faith pag. 583 3. Of good workes 1 Which be the good workes of Christians pag. 584 2 Whether there be any good workes without faith Ibid. 3 The vse of good workes 1 Whether they be applicatorie pag. 585 2 Expiatorie pag. 586 3 Meritorious Ibid. 4 Of the distinction of merites pag. 589 5 The manner of meriting pag. 590 4. Of Iustification 1 Of preparatiue works to iustification pag. 591 2 Of two kindes of iustification pag. 592 3 Of inherent iustice pag. 593 4 Of iustification onely by faith pag. 594 The 18. controuersie concerning the humanitie of Christ fiue questions 1 Of the vbiquitie or omnipresence of the bodie of Christ pag. 596 2 Whether Christ encreased in knowledge pag. 599 3 Of the manner of our Sauiours birth pag. 601 4 Whether Christ suffered in soule pag. 602 5 Whether Christ descended in soule to Hell to deliuer the Patriarkes pag. 605 6 Of the place of Hell pag. 607 The 19. controuersie concerning matters belonging to the diuine nature of Christ three questions 1 Whether Christ be 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 God of
bodie to abstayne from hurtfull meates as likewise to keepe a temperate and sober dyet and to take heede of surfetting and drunkennesse These kindes of abstinence in making difference of meates wee mislike not but for pietie or religions sake to distinguish them it is to too great superstition The Papists FOurthly their religious kinde of fasting they holde not to bee a generall error 77 abstinence from all meates and drinkes but onely from some certaine kindes as from flesh and wine as Timothie refrayned from drinking of wine and in steade thereof vsed water 1. Timothie 5. verse 23. Rhemist The Protestants Ans. FIrst for chastising of the bodie it is lawfull to abstayne either wholly for a time or in respect of the quantitie or qualitie of the meates which may more prouoke carnall lusts not in the prohibition of the whole kind as the Papists doe of all flesh bee it neuer so grosse or small in quantitie Likewise it is lawfull for chastising of a mans body to abstaine from any kinde as of wine fruites spices flesh so that the vse of them be not forbidden as though in the very abstinence there were religion Fulk ibid. 2 But the true and properly religious fast of Christians is a generall abstinence from all meats and drinkes during the time of such fasting Esther 4.16 Nehemiah 9.4 Where the manner of their fast is described howe the lawe was read vnto them foure times in the day and as oft did they worship the Lord and confesse their sinnes It was the custome of the Church also in Augustines time in the dayes of fast not to abstaine onely from flesh or some certayne kinde of meate as the Papists vse but altogether to continue fasting till the eeuen Rogo vos fratres sayth he vt in isto sacratissimo tempore exceptis dieb dominicis nullus prandere praesumat I pray you brethren that in this holy time none of you presume to dine at all except it be vpon the Lords daies Ergo they that wil keepe a true religious fast if they are able ought for the time wholly to absteyne The Papists error 78 FIftly they erre in affirming fasting to be a meritorious worke Rhemist 1. Corinth 15. vers 32. Anna Tobie Iudith Esther serued and pleased God by fasting Annot. Math. 15. sect 3. The Protestants Ans. FIrst we doubt not but that fasting is a worke acceptable to God being referred to the right end as to chastise and humble the bodie 1. Corinthians 9.27 and to make our prayers more feruent 1. Corinthians 7.5 But otherwise there is no holinesse or vertue in fasting of it selfe neither is it by the worke wrought of any merite or worthines For our prayers which are a more principall worke then fasting is yet of themselues by any worthynes in them are not regarded of God for Salomon sayth When thou hearest haue mercie 1. King 8.30 It is of the Lords mercy that our prayers are heard not of any worthynes in them Augustine sayth very well Si volumus bene ieiunare à cibis ante omnia ieiunemus à vitijs Quid prodest pallidum esse ieiunijs si odio inuidia liuescas What doth it helpe to fast from meate if wee fast not from sinne What auayleth it to be pale and wan with fasting if thou frettest with hatred and enuie Ergo the externall or outward acte of fasting of it selfe is litle or nothing worth The Papists error 79 SIxtly and lastly they grieuously offend in their fastings in laying so straight and hard a yoke vppon mens shoulders as charging them vnder payne of damnation to keepe their fasting dayes making it deadly sinne yea heresie to transgresse them as one Laurence Staple was troubled and persecuted anno 1531. because in Lent hauing no fish hee did eate egges butter and cheese nay they were so cruell that hardly they suffered women in child-bed to haue flesh in their houses As anno 1532. two young Gyrles were constrayned to abiure because they were found vppon Saint Peters eeuen eating broth made of mutton their mother lying in childe-bed Howe was poore Frebarne tossed too and fro and brought into great daunger because a pigge was found in his house in Lent time for the which his wife longed The Protestants Ans. FIrst no positiue law not grounded vppon scripture can so binde any person that in the breaking of such hee shall sinne deadlie And of this sorte is the fast of Lent and other dayes for religion which were ordayned without authoritie of scripture Lambert ad articul 17. And seeing the rest of the Sabboth being the commaundement of GOD might yet vpon necessarie cause be broken as wee haue shewed how much greater libertie ought the people to haue had in the obseruation of those dayes which were onely inioyned by men for who seeth not that the rest in the Lords day being Gods owne appoyntment ought more surely to binde then fasting vpon forbidden dayes enforced by men yet was it counted an heynous sinne to eate flesh vpon a day interdict and a small offence or none to violate the rest of the Sabboth 2 Saint Paul could see no such necessitie of fasting and abstinence when hee willeth Timothie to drinke wine and no longer water for his infirmities sake 1. Timoth. 5.23 But if there were religion in fasting and abstinence it ought not to be intermitted for the bodily health for the lesse principall is to giue place to the greater In Augustines time also there was no such necessitie Qui ieiunare non praeualet in domo sua praeparet quod accipiat He that is not able to fast let him prepare in his house for his owne eating And agayne Si possibilitas non fuerit ieiunandi sufficit eleemosyna sine ieiunio If a man haue not possibilitie to fast in stead of fasting let him giue almes What is become now of your Lent and Imber fastes which you prescribe as necessary to be kept of all THE NINTH QVESTION CONcerning the Virgine Marie THis question standeth of many parts 1. Whether the B. Virgin Marie were conceiued without sin Secondly whether she vowed Virginitie before the Angel was sent vnto her Thirdly of the assumption of her body into heauen Fourthly of the dignitie and preeminence that shee hath as they affirme aboue all other Saints yea and the Angels to Fiftly of the merites of the virgin Marie and of the Aue Maria. THE FIRST PART WHETHER THE Virgin Marie were voyde of original and actuall sinne The Papists error 80 1 AL men are borne in sinne Christ onely excepted and his mother for his honor Rhemist Rom. 5. sect 9. Answ. it is no more dishonour for Christ to be borne of a sinner then to haue taken his flesh and lineally descended according to his humanity of Thamar that committed incest with Iuda and Rahab which was an harlot Math. 1.3.5 Secondly it maketh more for the honor of God that Christ was borne without sinne