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A00759 A defence of the liturgie of the Church of England, or, Booke of common prayer In a dialogue betweene Nouatus and Irenæus. By Ambrose Fisher, sometimes of Trinitie Colledge in Cambridge. Fisher, Ambrose, d. 1617.; Grant, John, fl. 1630. 1630 (1630) STC 10885; ESTC S122214 157,602 344

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can his seruants I. Can they not relinquish his seruice and become Reformed Christians N. They may but then they cease to be his seruants I. You meane then That wee may pray for them as Bishops but not as Popish Now we pray that God would illuminate all Bishops that is deliuer them from the darknesse of Poperie and all manner of errours Againe why beate you the bush in this manner I know you meane that our Lord Bishops are Popish and the seruants of Antichrist Neither can you be ignorant that for their sake principally this Prayer is intended N. If it be so I am the more sorrie except you meane to pray for their conuersion Howsoeuer it be I will not now enter into that combat But from your Intercession I make haste to your Deprecations which either concerne things spirituall or temporall Of the first kind is this Prayer From fornication and all other Deadly Sinnes wherein you seeme to make fornication no sinne I. Doe wee pray to be deliuered from it as from a Punishment or as from a Sinne N. You made the doubt your selfe Bee you the Oedipus sure I am you make it no sinne as may thus be proued All sinne is deadly as no Protestant will denie But fornication in your Letanie is no deadly sinne and consequently no sinne The Minor thus appeares You say Fornication and all other deadly sinnes whereby you distinguish Fornication from the other as not being of that kinde I. When Dauid saith Sheepe and Oxen yea and the beasts of the field doth hee exclude Sheepe and Oxen out of the number of the beasts of the field When Saint Paul saith As the Apostles and the brethren of the Lord and Cephas Doth hee denie the Lords brethren and Cephas to bee Apostles Doe not the Papists themselues acknowledge Fornication to be one of the Deadly sinnes And doe you vilifie vs in respect of them N. You vilifie your selues in making seauen deadly sinnes like Papists which some humorous men haue applied to the seuen Planets according to the dayes of the weeke As Pride to the glorious Sunne Enuy to the pale Moone Wrath to fierce Mars Couetousnesse to subtle Mercurie Gluttonie or Drunkennesse to prodigall Iupiter Lust to wanton Venus Sloth to dull Saturne I. I dispute not now whether these men did inuent this method partly for memorie partly to shew that lanets though they compell not mans minde yet they incline his affection vnlesse he breake and tame his naturall disposition Only this I demand Doe the Papists make no other deadly sinnes then these seuen Is not heresie with them capitall Doe they not make sixe sinnes against the Holy Ghost Presumption Despaire Finall Impenitencie Obstinate Malice Inuidence or Enuie against Gods grace in our brother resisting of the knowne truth N. Yea your selfe made Enuy not long agoe In a Sermon vpon Rom. 1. 29 a sinne against the Holy Ghost I. It was then declared that there is but one sinne against the Holy Ghost and therefore that those sixe things reckoned by the Schoolmen out of Saint Austine are rather parts then kindes of that sinne Also it was shewed that Enuy was of two kindes The first whereby one desireth anothers happinesse to be translated to himselfe Another whereby he is sorrie that any vertue remaineth in the Matth. 13. 28. world This latter is in him that is called the enuious man and may be a part of that dreadfull sinne against the Holy Spirit N. But you said in another Sermon that Witches sinne against the Holy Ghost I. I said it not of my selfe but recited it out of the Kings Maiesties Booke called the Demonologie The worthinesse whereof I thought to bee such though it had beene written by a man vnknowne or meerely priuate as might stop all Cauils But now what can you alleage against it Doe not some Witches plainly renounce God and that with a voluntarie and direct obstinacie Doe they not often blaspheme that God whom they haue known and acknowledged Can this iniquitie bee distinguished from the sinne against the Holy Ghost N. It was affirmed by them that reported it to vs that these were your assertions Witches sinne against the Holy Ghost Enuy is the sinne against the Holy Ghost I. Men of your profession should be diligent hearers and slow beleeuers For you know that Fame is like the vrine which till it bee chafed and tried is as deceitfull as an Harlot N. Well if the Papists and you make more deadly sinnes then seuen why are these seuen only reckoned I. Let the Papists themselues tender a reason of their owne popular diuision As for vs wee account all firme in it owne nature to bee mortall N. But you seeme to imply the vulgar Popish distribution of Sinnes into Mortall and Veniall I. Doe none diuide Sinne in this manner but Papists Doth not Bellarmine tell you Bellar. lib. 2. de peccato that Lutherans hold all the sinnes of the Elect to bee veniall of the reprobate to be mortall Dare you denie the Publique Doctrine of our Church that all sinnes except that against the Holy Ghost howsoeuer in their owne nature they be deadly yet are made through the merits of Christ veniall and pardonable N. From spirituall things I come to temporall Whereof both the number and matter are by vs disliked Touching the first The number of your prayers for Temporall benefits exceedeth them which are made for Spirituall graces whereas of the six Petitions in the Lords Prayer the fourth only is for Temporall things I. When wee pray in the sixt Petition Lead vs not into temptation against what temptations doe we pray N. Temptation is from God either immediately without meanes as that which is termed the Diuine temptation namely when the wrath of God doth immediatly seize vpon the Conscience Or else by meanes which are three First the Deuill who stirres vp the blasphemous temptation Secondly the flesh or part vnregenerate from which doe issue both the temptations of sinne affrighting the Conscience and of Fancie molested with Melancholy Thirdly the world by and in which are raised outward temporall afflictions I. I will not now dispute about your diuision Only you confesse that in this sixt Petition you pray against temporall affliction and so for a temporall blessing But now tell me I pray you when in the seuenth Petition wee say Deliuer vs from euill what euill is vnderstood N. These words not the seuenth but a part of the sixt Petition For the coniunction But knitting them to the former words doth make them but one sentence and one Petition I. By this your reason there wil be but foure Petitions Considering to these words Giue vs this day our daily bread the rest of the Prayer is annexed by three coniunctions Namely twice And and For. Againe Beza telleth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 you that the word But is oft times taken for And. N. To grant that these words may make the seuenth Petition yet by