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A65478 The voyce of him that is escaped from Babylon Reasons given forth to all sober minded people, why I departed from the ministry of those called ministers of parishes; and why I departed from the ministry of those called Anabaptists; and why I have, and what I have contended for, some years past. West, Robert, b. ca. 1613. 1658 (1658) Wing W1391; ESTC R217331 15,883 20

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〈◊〉 14. 5. reasoned with him and his disciples Learn to do so also beware what comes into thy bucket least thou pour that out which is not of God although thou mayest say it is Remember that when Ioshua the High Priest was standing before the Lord Sathan was standing at his right hand therefore watch and be sober and be more ready to hear then to offer up the sacrifice of fools for they understandeth not what they speaketh and therefore will not give an account of it when they are asked lest their folly should be made manifest And you that have been deceived by words when your faith stood in them and now your faith stands in the power of God keep your understanding exercised in it that you may discern doctrines and give attendance to reading and beware of being puffed up for one against another I write not to shame any but to warne all It was a sin in Israel to limit the Holy one and it hath been the sin of many Generations even to this present time therefore as it s written Beware of men prove all things and the Lord Mat. 10. 〈◊〉 give you understanding in them Now that there may be no occasion given amongst the Lords people of disputing concerning Manifestations or Ministrations know that the day of preaching or manifestation of the glorious light in the World is not the day spoken of in Act. 17. 31. In which God will judge the World by the man whom he hath ordained but it is and was the day in which all are judged who are obedient to it according to men in the flesh that they might live according to God in the Pet. 4. 6. spirit so then by the Gospel are the Saints judged and purged and the Prince of the World judged and cast out and for this cause was and is it preached Now when this is preached in all Mat. 24. the World mark in the World for a witnesse the end of this World shall come and take to his dominion under the whole heavens and give it to the Saints of the Most high then they shall rule and all that did afflict them shall then come bending to them and then shall be fulfilled what is written to wit A King shall Reign in Righteousnesse and Princes shall Rule in Judgment In which day * Behold I●rael after t●● flesh shall be gathred fro● all Countrie● and place● in the Lan● of Canaan 〈◊〉 ●it those 〈◊〉 them that believed n●● the Gospel and then shall the Saints sit upon throne● and judge them and th● world Rom. 8. 23● a multitude of promises shall be fulfilled which is not as yet fulfilled Now under the Reign and Rule of Christ and his Saints shall Sathan be bound that he may not deceive the Nations and afterward he shall be loosed for a time and then will he gather his numberless number who will compasse about the beloved City but fire from heaven shall consume them and then shall all the Children of the wicked be raised and come to Judgment Now this is the day spoken of in Acts 17. 31. In which he will judge the World according to the Gospel for under the day of grace the Children of the wicked would not be judged by the Gospel therefore he then by the Man Christ Jesus will Judge them according to the Gospel know also that when the Son of Righteousnesse or day-Starr is risen in the heart our body is not risen for he that had the Son of God revealed in him saith Not that I have already attained unto the resurrection of the dead but he groaned in himself to wit for the redemption of our body and they also that was tortured not expecting deliverance looked for a better Resurrection but received not the promise that they without us should not be made perfect Now it may be objected Are not the Heb. 11. 40. Saints that are asleep in Jesus perfect My answer is Their spirits are perfect but their body although sanctified was weak for they suffered in it and it was sown in weaknesse Now there is a difference between weaknesse and wickednesse Christ was crucified through weaknesse but in him there was no wickednesse a word to the wise is sufficient Again know that the spirit in man is to be preacht to and not the seed for that came not to be ministred to but to minister and did preach unto the spirits that was disobedient in the dayes of Noah now the spirits of men was sometime disobedient but the divine nature was never disobedient therefore mans spirit is not the seed but a receptable subject or Candle formed in man by which he might receive the divine nature for the flesh and blood cannot receive it Again know that the Revelation of Jesus Christ in us is not the second appearance of Christ spoken of in Scripture for he who had the Son of God revealed in him saith We waite for the Lord from heaven and to them that look for him the second time shall he appear without sin unto salvation Now there are differences of Ministrations but the same Lord. And now a few words to the people of the Land of my nativity after the flesh I beseech you teachers and hearers examine your selves for the day of the Lord is at hand whether you know what you teach and what you worship I put this question unto you Suppose those who do worship stocks and stones or the Host of Heaven should ask you What God you do worship what would you say unto them that they might be certain and know your God Now they will expect either the sight of him to wit of your God or the sense of him that they may feel him or else what shall they believe as the object of their faith if you cannot manifest him unto them that they may see him or feel him Do you think that they will leave a certain for an uncertain for a parcel of words What they do worship if you should ask them they can shew you but I fear many of you worship you know not what For I asked one of your Teachers to wit William Spinnage called Minister of Poulshott whether he knew the Lord and he said unto me that to know the Lord was to be the Lord Woe is me O people for you your Teachers are leight and treacherous and preach to you that they know not words that do not profit and you are ever learning but comes not to the knowledge of the truth which would make you free but loves to live in your sins what will you do in the end thereof for the Lord will appear in flames of fire rendring vengeance upon all that know 2 Thes 1. 8. him him not and that obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his power Mind this you that know not the Lord these words
I asked him whether he meant the visible blood that was shed without the gates of Jerusalem he said yea I asked then of William Crabb and Nicholas Ellyot and other Teachers there present whether they did own it they said yea and gave me a Coppy of it in writing and asked me whether I would deny it if I did I should deny the whole or else grant the whole of their affirmation To that I replyed It 's written thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed nor weare a Linsie Wolsie Garment This is a mingled affirmation said I some things may be owned and some things must be denyed then being admitted by them I made my exceptions to wit that I did deny that to be the everlasting Gospel namely Remission of sins by the visible blood and that for these Reasons First that-blood had a beginning which was shed without the gates of Jerusalem but the everlasting Gospel had no beginning again the Gospel was preached to Abraham and them that are dead and Christ preached the Gospel before the visible blood was shed and remitted sins and there was none saved without Remission of sins and without shedding of blood there is no Remission of sins therefore Remission of sins by that blood was not the everlasting Gospel Then they said they would prove it which they endeavoured about two or thee hours bringing these following Scriptures Isa 52. 10. Rom. 10. 15. Act. 13. 32 33 38. Luke 2. 13. Act. 20. 28. 1 Pet. 1. 28. Col. 1. 20. Heb. 12. 24. Rev. 1. 5. Mat. 26. 28. Heb. 9. 14 22. 1 Cor. 15. 1 3. Act. 5. 3. And then said We have proved it I denyed it A friend to truth desired those Scriptures mentioned might be proved which was not assented to but the question was put upon the people because of the remaining questions whether to them they had proved it because they said they had and the people replyed Nay The other things agreed to be reasoned then was what the Ministers of the Gospel was to direct the people to to which was agreed on by both sides To Christ the next question was Where he was they said in heaven then said I where is heaven Then said they we have proved what was to be reasoned or asserted then said I the kingdome of heaven is within you and Christ is in heaven then said they prove it I said Will you deny it they then was silent Then said I I should not prove it except they did deny it many other wordspassed with which I shall not trouble the Reader For matter this is the sum of that present meeting After this they said that I was fallen from the faith and that they were sorry for me and others I then examined what might be the meaning of this their saying and I found in my understanding that they did mean because I do believe the first principle to be preached to men is the light that shineth in darknesse to wit in their hearts whereas they preached to men the first principle to be believed is without men and not within men Now I confesse it had been a question some time in my understanding whether Yea or Nay I had not fallen and I found that I had fallen from making the sayings of men or the Letter of Scripture the ground of my faith now I had made a large profession of God and Christ at a distance from me but knew neither my faith at that time was like that of the Samaritans who believed because of the saying of the Woman but truly as they sayd so say I they said Now we believe not because of thy saying for we have heard him our selves and know that this is indeed the Christ the Saviour of the World For friends it is one thing to believe the Scriptures or Reports of men but it 's another thing to believe Christ For example Agrippa believed the Prophets when he believed not in Christ for he saith unto Paul thou hast almost Act. 2● 28. perswaded me to be a Christian Now the promise is sure to the ●eed but not to Reports of men for thus it is written whosoever believeth in him shall never be confounded or ashamed and in truth I am a witnesse As the mind is turned to the measure of him Rom. 10 11. and on it stayed there 's vertue proceedeth from him which purgeth the mind and then giveth peace and an understanding to know him which is life eternal thus have I wandered from one City to another Country and from the Teachings of men and am taught of the Lord. Glory be to him for ever who sheweth me Mysteries and the times of Ministrations Behold I shew you some of them Christ is hid in God and shall appear the Gentiles are partakers of the divine nature and so made fellow-heirs with the Jews of the kingdome of heaven God is in Christ and Christ is in the Light and the light is in the world now to be manifested for the obedience of faith to all Nations the body of Saints shall be raised and we then that are alive shall be changed and ascend in the sight of her enemies to meet the Lord when he shall be Revealed in like manner as he did ascend into heaven The Saints both Jews and Gentiles shall come with him and shall be seen by enemies in the kingdom of God and the dominion under the whole heavens shall be given unto the Saints of the most high and they shall Rule and Reign on Earth in the kingdom of Christ and then the kingdomes of this World shall become the kingdomes of our Lord and of his Christ the time is at hand that these things shall be performed although it may seem as an idle tale unto many whose hearts are flow to believe all that the Prophets have spoken and therefore perverts the Prophets words yet shall they certainly come to passe And now friends all beware of perswasions that are contrary to the Scriptures of the Prophets for the spirit of the Prophets are subject to the Prophets hold fast therefore the forme of sound words and learn to speak such words that cannot be condemned for when words are spoken that are questionable there 's occasion given of disputing and beware of putting one dispensation in the place of another for that is turning truth into a lye beware also of Preaching dispensations together without distinction for then it will be an uncertain sound and an occasion of disputing now the servants of God in former times gave the sense of what they did read unto the people and gave distinction in the sound of their Ministery and caused the people to understand it and was meek toward them that did not understand although they did oppose what was spoken For example Christ said to his disciples Whither I go ye know and the way ye know Thomas saith We know not the way yet Christ did not say to him I deny thy spirit but