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A66445 The blovdy tenent, of persecution, for cause of conscience, discussed, in a conference betweene trvth and peace vvho, in all tender affection, present to the high court of Parliament, as the result of their discourse, these, amongst other passages, of highest consideration. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683.; Cotton, John, 1584-1652. 1644 (1644) Wing W2758; ESTC R2405 232,471 275

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to performe ungodly actions nor for ungodly persons for wicked ends to act what in it selfe is good and righteous Abraham Iacob David Salomon c. as well as Lamech Saul c. lived in constant transgression against the institution of so holy and so ratified a Law of Mariage c. and this not against the light and checks of conscience as other sinnes are wont to be recorded of them but according to the dictate and perswasion of a Resolved Soule and Conscience David out of zeale to God with 30 thousand of Israel and Majesticall solemnity carries up the Arke contrary to the Order God was pleased to appoint the issue was both Gods and Davids great offence● 2 Sam. 6. David in his zeale would build an house to entertaine his God what more pious and what more in shew serio●sly consulted when the Prophet Nathan is admitted Councellour 2 Sam. 7. And probable it is that his slaughter of Vriiah was not without a good end to wit to prevent the dishonour of Gods name in the discoverrie of his Adulterie with Bathsheba yet David was holy and precious to God still though like a jewell fallen into the dirt whereas K. Ahab though acting his fasting humiliation was but Ahab still though his Act in it selfe was a duty and found successe with God CHAP. LXIV Peace I Have often heard that Historie reports and I have heard that Mr. Cotton himselfe hat affirmed it that Christianitic fell asleep in Constantines bosome and the laps and bosomes of those Emperours professing the name of Christ. Truth The unknowing zeale of Constantine and other Emperours did more hurt to Christ Iesus his Crowne and Kingdome then the raging fury of the most bloody Neroes In the persecutions of the later Christians were sweet and fragrant like spice pounded and beaten in morters But those good Emperours persecuting some erroneous persons Arrius c. and advancing the professours of some Truths of Christ for there was no small number of Truths lost in those times and maintaining their Religion by the materiall Sword I say by this meanes Christianity was ecclipsed and the Professors of it fell asleep Cant. 5. Babel or confusion was usher'd in and by degrees the Gardens of the Churches of Saints were turned into the wildernesse of whole Nations untill the whole World became Christian or Christendome Revel 12. 13. Doubtlesse those holy men Emperours and Bishops intended and aimed right to exalt Christ but not attending to the Command of Christ Iesus to permit the Tares to grow in the field of the World they made the Garden of the Church and Field of the World to be all one and might not onely sometimes in their zealous mistakes persecute good wheat in stead of Tares but also pluck up thousands of those precious stalkes by commotions and combustions about Religion as hath been since practised in the great and wonderfull changes wrought by such Wars in many great and mighty States and Kingdomes as we heard even now in the Observation of the King of Bohemia CHAP. LXV Peace DEare Truth before you leave this passage concerning the Emperours I shall desire you to glance your eye on this not unworthy observation to wit how fully this worthy Answerer hath learned to speake the roaring language of Lyon-like Persecution far from the purity and peaceablenesse of the Lambe which he was wont to expresse in England For thus he writes More and greater Princes then these you mention saith he have not tolerated Hereticks and Schismaticks notwithstanding their pretence of Conscience and their arrogating the Crown of Martyrdome to their suff●ings Truth Thy tender eare and heart sweet Peace endures not such language 'T is true that these termes Hereticks or wilfully obstinate and Schismaticks or Renders are used in Holy Writ 't is true also that such pretend conscience and challenge the crowne of Martyrdome to their suffrings Yet since as King Iames spake in his Marke of a false Church on Revel 20. the Wicked persecute and besiege and the Godly are persecuted and besieged this is the common clamour of Persecuters against the Messengers and Witnesses of Iesus in all Ages viz. You are Hereticks Schismaticks factious seditious rebellious Have not all Truths witnesses heard such reproaches You pretend conscience You say you are persecuted for Religion You will say you are Martyrs Oh it is hard for Gods children to fall to opinion and practice of Persecution without the ready learning the language thereof And doubtlesse that Soule that can so readily speake Babels language hath cause to fear that he hath not yet in point of Worship left the Gates or Suburbs of it Peace Againe in blaming Iulian and Valens the Arrian for tolerating all weeds to grow he notes their sinfull end that thereby they might choake the vitals of Christianity and seemes to consent in this and other passages foregoing and following on a speech of Ierome that the weeds of false Religions tolerated in the world have a power to choake and kill true Christianity in the Church Truth I shall more fully answer to this on Ieromes speech and shew that if the weeds be kept out of the Garden of the Church the Roses and Lilies therein will flourish notwithstanding that weeds abound in the Field of the Civill State When Christianity began to be choaked it was not when Christians lodged in cold Prisons but Downe beds of ease and persecuted others c. CHAP. LXVI Peace HE ends this passage with approbation of Q. Elizabeth for persecuting the Papists and a reproofe to King Iames for his persecuting the Puritans c. Truth I answer if Queene Elizabeth according to the Answerers Tenent and Conscience did well to persecute according to her conscience King Iames did not ill in persecuting according to his For Mr. Cotton must grant that either King Iames was not fit to be a King had not the essentiall qualifications of a King in not being able rightly to judge who ought to be persecuted and who not or else he must confesse that King Iames and all Magistrates must persecute such whom in their Conscience they judge worthy to be persecuted I say it againe though I neither approve Queen Elizabeth or K. Iames in such their persecutions yet such as hold this Tenent of persecuting for Conscience must also hold that Civill Magistrates are not essentially fitted and qualified for their function and office except they can discerne clearly the difference betweene such as are to be punished and persecuted and such as are not Or else if they be essentially qualified without such a religious spirit of discerning and yet must persecute the Hereticke the Schismaticke c. must they not persecute according to their conscience and perswasion And then doubtlesse though he bee excellent for Civill Government may he easily as Paul did ignorantly persecute the Son of God in stead of the Son of perdition Therefore lastly according to Christ