Selected quad for the lemma: sin_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
sin_n	good_a	law_n	transgression_n	4,529	5	10.4346	5	false

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A42464	Mysterious cloudes and mistes, shunning the cleer light, a little further disclosed in a short answer to Mr. John Simpsons long appendix, entituled, Truth breaking forth through a cloud and mist of slanders, wherein the charge of slander, so far as it concerneth, both himself and some others, is taken of and removed / by Tho. Gataker ...	Gataker, Thomas, 1574-1654.	1648 (1648)	Wing G324; ESTC R21793	15,658	16

or proceeding to examination of witnesses they were by the Committee entreated to deliver their minds in writing for the better clearing of themselves concerning such points as were suggested to have been either taught or maintained by some of them or to go for currant among their followers that so the businesse might be in a fair and friendly way if it were possible composed without proceeding in any such judiciary course But this they utterly at first refused to doe nor without much urging and pressing by the Committee could be induced at length to condescend unto And when they had by such importunity been drawn to undertake it and a day assigned them to bring in their answer how willing or desirous they were to clear what they had taught or to make manifest what their mind and judgement was may appear by their answers returned to some of the Questions in writing delivered unto them which out of the Copies remaining in the worthy Chairmans hands I shall here word for word insert Question 1. Whether the morall Law did oblige a beleeving Iew to obedience Answer That the beleeving Iew before Christ if any such one was meant was kept under the Law shut up unto the faith that should after be revealed Gal. 3.23 Quest 2. Whether the morall Law doth now as strongly oblige a beleeving Christian to obedience Answ That the beleeving Christian after Christs death if any such one be meant is not under the Law but under grace Ro. 6.14 Quest 3. Whether a beleever be bound to conform his life to the morall Law because God in that Law requires it Answ That the righteousnesse of the Law is fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit Rom. 8.4 I through the Law am dead to the Law that I may live unto God Gal. 2.19 Quest 4. Whether he that maketh the Law his Rule be a Papist in heart whatever he be in practise Answ That though the Law be an eternall Rule of righteousnesse yet he that putteth himself under it contrary to Paul is so farre a Papist Quest 5. Whether the Law be a Rule by which unbeleevers shall be condemned and not a Rule by which they ought to walk Answ The Law abstracted from Christ is no Rule for unbeleevers to walk by for life Quest 6. Whether a beleever may make threatnings a motive to deterre him from sin and the promises a motive to encourage him to duty Ans. That to serve God for the hope of a legall reward and for fear of legall punishment is no Christian service or in Mr. Tindalls words That to serve God for fear of hell or the joyes of heaven are but shadows of good works Quest 7. Whether Peters person sinned in denying Christ or his flesh only Ans. That as it was in Paul so in Peter No longer I but sin that dwelleth in me Rom. 7.17 Quest 8. Whether a beleever in sinning breaks any morall Law Ans. Sinne is the transgression of the Law 1 Joh. 3.4 Quest 9. Whether when Peter wept bitterly for denying Christ he did it out of weaknesse of faith or duty to God Answ Peters weeping might be from weak faith and so from fear or from strong faith and so from love but whether we know not only we hope it was an Evangelicall duty· Quest 10. Whether a beleever be as well pleasing to God in the act of adultery or murder as before Quest 11. Whether a beleever in the act of adultery or murder may see the discharge of that sin in Christ and his part in Christ before his repentance and humiliation for it as well as after all the humiliation in the world Ans. 1. They are framed in very odious and ambiguous terms 2. That a true beleever seldome or never falls into such wilfull scandalous wickednesse because the love of Christ constrains him far above all legall motives 3. That if perhaps a beleever should fall so yet ought he not to adde infidelity to this other sinne Quest 12. Whether a beleever in the act of adultery or murder may enjoy as sweet communion with God as in the performance of any holy duty Ans. That the repetition of it is unfit for any Christian mouth and eare Quest 13. Whether God doth chasten a beleever for sin Ans. That the chastisement of our peace was upon him that is Christ and that by his stripes we are healed Esay 53.5 Quest 14. Whether a beleever falling into sinne ought not to pray for the actuall pardon of it in the sight of God or only for the manifestation of it to his own conscience and the continuation of it Ans. That when it shall be explained to us out of the Scripture what is meant by actuall pardon and what by the sight of God then shall we be better able to answer to this proposition Quest 15. Whether there ought to be dayes of fasting and humiliation appointed under the Gospell Ans. We know nothing to the contrary Quest 16. Whether a Christian ought to afflict his soul with sorrow for sin in a day of humiliation and whether it be sin to sorrow for sinne Ans. That all humiliation and sorrow for sin which is not of faith is sin Quest 17. Whether a beleever humbling himself for sin in these sad dayes seeking Gods face and returning unto him may not expect a blessing from God and the Nation for Christs sake in so doing and whether the doing of these duties for this end be the cause why our fasting and Prayer prevailes no more with God for the healing of the land Ans. That although a man pretend to humble himself yet if he make his humiliation repentance and reformation a fortresse and tower of defence the munition armour and wall of brasse to defend the Kingdome and Nation if he makes his repentance of such omnipotent efficacy that there is no thunder-bolt so great no wrath so furious in God but it will abolish it without so much as mentioning the Lord Iesus who only delivereth us from the wrath to come who if he had not delivered us from the desert of the sinfulnesse of our humiliation repentance and reformation the just wages thereof would have been everlasting fire we beleeve such humiliation is neerer the pride of Lucifer then true Christian humiliation 2. That among the great sinnes of the Kingdome we beleeve that the great esteem dignifying and exalting of our own works doings and duties to make our peace with God is a dethroning our great and only peace-maker and thereby a most dangerous enemy to the peace of this Kingdome Now besides that from some of these Questions it may be observed what wholesome and savoury documents their followers at least deduce from the tenents by these men maintained to let I say that passe let any intelligent and indifferent reader judge by most of their Answers whether these men desired to have men know their mind and judgement as this man pretendeth that his desire and endeavour was

three that appeared in Star-chamber before the Committee fore-mentioned whereof Mr S. was one and particularly that out of Mr Eaton then objected to them and defended that when Abraham denied his wife and in outward appearance seemed to lie in his distrust lying dissembling and equivocating that his wife was his sister even then truly all his thoughts words and deeds were perfectly holy and righteous from all spot of sin in the fight of God freely * To which may be added that wholesome exhortation then also averred to have been delivered by one of them likewise in the Pulpit which might posse for an use of the point Let beleivers sin as fast as they will there is a fountaine open for them to wash in Concerning which he granteth that † this was brought in against him that he should in a Sermon deliver those words just in the same terms as I have related them not as he now cutteth them asunder in relating of my relation nor doth he deny the uttering of them Only he addeth that † the party that gave it in being by some I know not who nor when demanded whether he did deliver it by way of exhortation was so ingenuous as to acknowledge that it was not delivered as an exhortation Then to justifie the matter 1. * He paralleleth it with those passages Rev. 22.11 He that is unjust let him be unjust still and he that is filthy let him be filthy still 2. He telleth me that † my learning might have taught me that the word Let is not alwayes used by way of exhortation but sometime by way of supposition and frequently signifieth as much as though and † so taken it is as seasonable a truth as he can in desire of my good leave upon my spirit who though professing my self a beleiver have sinned as fast as I can in his apprehension against the laws of love and the commandements of the Lord Jesus yet there is a fountaine opened in which if God give faith I may wash my selfe from these sins To all which sore charge and slight apologie I answer 1. That the speech it self whether delivered in way of exhortation or inference and one of the two it must needs be doth savour too strongly of an incitation and encouragement to sin and that wilfully which was all that in the term to exhortation I intended 2. That if the thing it selfe be so hideous that if the Devil himselfe should preach he would not make use of such an exhortation and yet by his own grant the words may be so taken then those surely have just cause to ●ake shame to themselves who use expressions in the Pulpit trenching so neer upon that which is so hideous that even the Devill himself would not so use that they cannot without some subtile nicety be distinguished the one from the other 3. That to draw Scriptures thus in as here and before to parallel and bear out such speeches as both that before and th●s here are is to play and dally with Gods word and to be boulder with it then Christian piety will well permit 4. That it is a poore shift to help out such a loose speech to tell us that let is not alwayes a note of exhortation when as the matter of the proposition and manner of the conceiving it in those terms sin as fast as they will sound overmuch and over loud in any ordinary construction to an incitement to willfull sin for which the though substitute in the room of let is but a very sorry salv As for this application of it to my self that I have sinned as fast as I can in his appr●hension and yet if God give me faith I may wash my self from these sins I take the former branch as a fruit of his own selfish fancy and the latter as a frothy flout and so leav them to him and this whole apology for my self to the cen●ure of those that are of understanding and abili●y to discry and discover the slights of imposters th●ough such colours as they are wont to glase over their unsound tenents withall and their shifts in varying from point to point as they find the bl●st of popular appl●use to blow And now Sir I addresse my self again unto you who that you may seem not without cause to have laid such a load of sin upon me that I could not possibly in your apprehension sin faster then I have done against the Laws of love and the commandments ●f Christ in the close of this your discourse tel your Reader * it might be exp●ted you should speake somewhat to my reproaches and railing speeches agai●st you but we know you say who hath said men have learned to reproach me and speak evill of me and I to suffer Sir what reproachfull and railing speeches other have suffered not some one or two but the maine body of Gods faithfull Ministers and Messengers among us from the mouths and pens of those of that faction which you have formerly adheared to and complyed with is too well known and I have at large † else where discovered But Sir where are those reproachfull and railing speeches that you here charge me to have used against you or why do you not produce them or point at least to the places where they are to be found you have raked and scraped together all to a tittle for ought I know or can call to minde that I have anywhere written of you what railings appear there in any part of it or who is able to say that I ever railed upon you either in publique or in private Sir it is none of my usage what yours is I wot not This charge of yours therefore I am well assured you are lesse able to make good then I am all that hath bin by me charged upon you For such erroneous points as have bin broached by you and others if I have maintained the truth of God against you or them and discovered the evill consequents of them I have therein done no more then what my duty to God and his people hath in my place required of me and that the rather for that I perceived divers of my people to be too much taken with them For your self the time was when having heard you once or twice in my place and upon invitation of you home had some conference with you I tooke so good liking of you that not long after motion being made for a weekely lecture in my congregation I recommended you to some of my people that were most active in the businesse who upon enquiry enformed me that y●u were like to settle either at Dunstans or Butolphs whether of the two I now remember not and so that businesse was at an end Some good space of time after I heard by reports of many some of mine own people among others who used to hear you that you were fallen into divers strange points tending to Antinomianism and that

him it would be enough to acq●t him in the judgement of those that know him But that † for the substance of it setting aside some words put in to bring an odium upon it to wit that God seeth no sin in his justified children it is Gods truth which he hopeth to maintain unto death And I hope then it was no fault either for that party whoever he was to charge it upon him though those terms which whether Mr S. instanced in or no is not much materiall might if he did not have bin spared nor for me to relate what was then alledged Mean while he that now acknowledgeth it to be * a gr●ss error and destructive to the power of godlines to maintain that God in no sense may be said to see sin in his people having yet in those terms which he now here acknowledgeth taught it knowing it to be so in Mr Eatons book maintained and yet joyning with those that had bin publishers and were then defenders of it and the subject matter therein conteined nor at all manifesting his dissent therein from them which by writing he might have done had he bin so minded he hath no cause to complain if it were so charged upon him as it was then taught and had bin delivered by him these instances inserted not at all altering or concerning the state of the Question and that the rather for that some of his followers whom why I so term I shall hereafter shew have in that manner which he now would seem to condemn maintained it And let Mr S seriously consider with himself whether his delivering his tenent in such terms having bin by his Auditors so apprehended have not given divers of them occasion to take the more liberty to sin upon that conceit that though they do commit sins never so heinous or horrid God doth not at all see it not is at all offended or displeased with them for the same The nex● charge is with much vehemency prosecu●ed to wi● where I say that * those grosly abuse the words of the Psalmist Psal. 40.12 who taking their rise from Luthers application of them with some harsh expressions unto Christ strain them so far as to disswade Christian people from troubling of themselves about confession of their sins as being enough for them to beleev that Christ have hath confessed them for them already against the latter clause whereof to wit enough for them to beleev that Christ hath here confessed them for them already in my margent I name Mr S. preaching on that Text From which aspersion to clear himself he affirmeth 1. * That he tooke not his rise for the exposition of the place from Luther whose exposition thereof be had not then seen 2. † That the Apostle expoundeth that Psalm of Christ and other Autors of good note expound that passage of sins imputed unto Christ 3. That † I would make my Reader beleev that upon this account he would wholy take away confession which he denyeth and * is able he saith to prove the contrary by the testimony of many godly who then heard him and would be deposed thereupon and † that the maine use of his sermon was to teach beleevers how they should in an evangelicall way confesse sin ever the head of the Scape-goat Lev. 16.21 in faith beholding them laid and charged upon Jesus Christ in which we do confesse and acknowledge to the glory of Gods grace and Christs goodnesse that our sins are laid upon Jesus Christ 4. That † about the same time be preached in divers places on 1 Joh. 1.9 which Sermons might shew that he is not against confession of sin To all which I answer 1. That I charge not him in particular with taking the rise of his doctrine therein from Luthers harsh expressions There are others that so do whom in those words I intended 2. Nor do I control those that understand either the Psalm of Christ or that passage of our sins impured unto Christ tho I rather approve of another interpretation which I there propound 3. Nor do I charge him that he would wholy take away confession of sin which Mr Eaton himself doth not but that herein he concurreth with him and some others in affirming that Christ there confesseth our sins for us and thereupon taking away all necessity of confessing our sins in such manner as the faithfull Saints and servants of God in Scripture ordinarily do as incensing Gods wrath against us under which we do lie as * David though a beleever and a person justified in Gods sight did untill we do make sincere and serious acknowledgment of them 4. And this being still constantly avowed by persons religious and judicious who then heard him is no way removed or contradicted by that which be here relateth to have bin the main use of his Sermon and all which I doubt not but that Mr Eaton himself were he yet surviving would readily subscribe unto Nor do I make any question but that those two parties who pronounce the one of them * such beleivers to be but poore melancholie creatures as are much troubled for new sins supposing God to be angry with them for the same the other that it is † a signe of the spirit of Antichrist in persons to be afraid of this sin and of that sin and consequently of any sin yet would either of them owne the confession that Mr S. here speakes of and † telleth us is the best confession to wit whereby we confes that our sins are laid upon Christ Neither is this that confession that * David and other † men of God made of their sins recorded in the word nor that which the word of God under that term and title of confession † requireth of us but an acknowledgement of them as offences committed by us against God and our sincere and serious sorrow for the same Neither would the confessi●n * made over the head of the Scape-goat ever have availed any unles it were accompanied with inward remorse and contrition of spirit as † Davids and that of those oth●r servants of God was And all this therefore is but the crying up one necessary duty for the crying downe and suppressing of an other But the * great and horrid sin that he would not have me forget to confesse is the charging of him for exhorting people to sinne as fast as they will because there is a fountain for them to wash in Whereunto he addeth that he doth think that if † the Devill himself should get up into a pulpit to preach who doth often preach by his Vicars and Curates he might have added no lesse often by Schismaticks and Sectaries that he would not make use of any such exhortation The words upon occasion whereof this hideous tragedy is raised are these subjoyned to a relation of six severall tenents charged upon and proved against those