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A12793 The sale of salt. Or The seasoning of soules Namely such, as for whom the chapmen here doe come, and whom the author, which taketh the name of a salter, is willing, what in him lieth, to season with the salt of the Word, leauing the successe to the Lord, without whose blessing in such works we can do nothing. Written by Iohn Spicer, minister of the word of God at Leckhamsteed in the county of Buckingham. Spicer, John. 1611 (1611) STC 23101; ESTC S117790 175,913 412

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Christmas and at our Wakes If that which Doctor Fulke Bishoppe Iuel Maister Nowell Doctor Reynolds and others haue written at large of the Popes either touching their supremacie their erring or their liues will not satisfie your Couzen and you I know not what to say to you yet because you refuse not to conferre with me I will tell you my mind plainely and that in fewe words First for Christs Vicar generall I know none worthie to be so called as the Holy Ghost whom Saint Austin calleth the Porter yea I cannot see how it can belong to any besides I prooue it thus He whome the Sonne Christ promised to send from his Father Nondedignater spirit as sanctus esse os●oarius in Io tract 4. not only to Peter but to the rest to comfort them and to abide with them for euer is only Christs Vicar generall Io. 14.16 But this was the Holy Ghost only 1. Argument Therefore he only is that Vicar For to be thus sent doth nothing diminish his deitie He which is the Spirit of trueth whom the world receiueth not 2 Argu. though he dwelleth with the faithfull is alone worthie to be called Vicar to him which is the trueth But such a one is the Holy Ghost 3. Argu. Ergo he whome the Father sent in Christs name to teach all thinges and to bring all thinges to remembrance that Christ told is Chrsts Vicar generall but such a one is the holy Ghost alone therefore he only is Christ his vniuersall Vicar Tell vs plainly Maister Tractable can you or any man apply these things to any Pope or to Peter himselfe if any of you would say yes then it should follow that Peter should not néed to haue béene comforted and confirmed himselfe ere hee went about to confirme others Tract But is it not some supremacy to be a strengthner of others after he himselfe was confirmed Guid. It is a good worke and a good fruit of repentance when a man hath shewed his weaknesse in denying his maister and that with cursing and swearing after his conuersion to exhort them to take héed they confesse Christ constantly lest with him they féele that which made him wéep bitterly This Apostle was forward in answering when our Sauiour asked any question forward in louing and no doubt forward in feeding Christs shéepe where he came as the rest did where they came But that hee had more authority to censure the other two Pillers Iames and Iohn then they him I cannot finde in the Holy Scriptures I bring not this as misliking degrées in gouernment thought fit for the better preseruing of the safety and peace of any land but as wishing you to remember to shew that Peter called himselfe and his fellowes witnesses of the resurrection of Christ Act 10 39.4● but no Pastor of Pastors or head of the vniuersall Church Tract Christ bade him feede his sheepe Ergo that belongeth to him and his successors more then to others Guid. Christ bad Peter to pay that for tribute for them two as he should find in the Fish he said not so to the rest ergo if your argument halt not Christ and Peter with his successors to auoyd offences are more bound to pay tribute to Caesar then any others I thinke you will not grant this willingly Our Sauiour knowing that Peter had denyed him thrise Aug. in Io tract 1 2 3 though he promised to sticke to him though all the rest should forsake him bad him if hee loued him more then the rest did to shew it by his diligence in feeding his sheepe and his Lambes yet ye know these words Mat. 28.16 19 Mat. 27.5 Acts 1.11.22.26 Goe and teach all Nations were spoken to ten others besides Peter I say ten others because at that time there were but eleuen for Iudas had hanged himselfe before and Matthias was not chosen to bee a witnesse of the Resurrection of Christ with the rest till after Christ was taken vp from his Disciples into Heauen Tract Well let vs leaue this and returne from whence we digressed If you will haue the holy Ghost the Guide and Teacher of the whole Church militant for of that we spake where shall we finde the holy Ghost which is inuisible guiding and teaching that we might hearken vnto him Guid. In the holy Scriptures He shall testifie of me you shall beare witnesse also Io. 15.26.27 which are in the mind in the mouth of euery godly faithfull sound discréete zealous teacher that teacheth according to the same scriptures not séeking their owne glory but the glory of God and the edifying of his people S. Peter saith speaking of prophesie in the Scripture 2 Eph. 2. Pe● 1.20.21 See the 2. of Tim. 3.16 that holy men of God spake as they were moued by the holy Ghost The Apostle to the Hebrews citing these words of the 95. Psalme To day if you will heare his voyce saith the holy Ghost spake them S. Peter saith Heb 3.7 2. Pet. 3 16. 1. Cor. 7.40 Ioh. 14 17. that S. Paul wrote according to the wisedome giuen vnto him S. Paul himselfe saith I thinke that I haue also the Spirit of God Our Sauiour told his Disciples that the Spirit of truth should dwell with thē be in them Wicked men by the help of some Spirituall gifts prophesie 1 Cor 6.19 o● and yet profit no more themselues then the bell that calleth others to hearing heareth nothing it selfe But if the body of each faithfull Christian bee the Temple of the Holy Ghost which they haue of God then no doubt he is also in that teacher which hath a care of these things following First not only to leade into some truth but into all truth I meane that is reuealed in the word S Paul saith Act. 20. that he kept nothing back For in fit time place euery thing reuealed in the holy scripture as occasiō serueth is to be laid open in a discréet maner Secondly as the holy Ghost extolleth not the wisdome power and merits of man but glorifieth Christ so doth euery good teacher according to that is measured vnto him endeuour to glorify the son of God Ioh. 16.13.14 yea the blessed Trinity whose loue is made manifest in Christ not only by his doctrine but also by his déeds Thirdly as the holy Ghost sheweth things to come so doth the true teacher tell what the holy Ghost saith shal be in the later daies 2. Thes 2 for this is part of the truth as to tell that the man of sin shall be disclosed 1. Tim. 4. Some shall speake lies through hypocrisie 2 Tim. 3. forbidding to marry Some creeping into houses shall leade captiue simple women ●ou 18.21 The great Cittie Babylon shall bee Cast downe Reu. 21 2. The new Ierusalem shal be prepared as a Bride for her husband c. These and the like things such as bee guided by
God Tract I haue thought that the Pope hath beene very carefull to winne our Soules to God and therefore we should be at peace with him Guid. His care for our Soules I leaue to God but I see cleerely if that which is written of some of them be true as I haue no reason to doubt they haue great care to haue our Gold and Siluer In the defence of the Apologie Def. of Apol pa. 794. I read thus The Pope sayth he meaning Mathias Parisienfis being diseased with a spiritual dropsey that is to say with an vnquenchable thirst of money shooke out all the Priests purses Anno. 1215. spoyled the Abbies of all their Treasures Againe The Pope made a decree in Rome 1246. that the goods money of all Bishops and Priests deceased within England should be taken to his vse The Pope gaue straight commandement to the Bishops of England that all Parsons and Vicars being resident vpon their Benefices should pay to him yerely the third part of all the valewes of their saide Benefices And that all Parsons and Vicars being not resident should pay vnto him yeerely the one full halfe part of their Benefices All these payments to continue for the space of three whole yeers which amounteth at the least to the summe of an hundred threescore and tenne thousand pound The Bishops of England after some great and forcible intreaties agreed together 1247. to giue the Pope a contribution of eleuen thousand marks At that time the Pryor of Winchester was forced to pay yéerly thrée hundred threescore and fiue marks Bodē Anno. towards the furniture of the Popes table The Pope made a straight decree that all Bishops elect should imediatly trauell out of England to Rome to atend vpon his Holynesse as Mathias sayth Vt Romanorum loculos impraegnaret in ruinam regni Angliae To stuffe the Romans purses to the decay of the Kingdom of England The Pope had the Tenthes of all the spirituall liuings in England during the space of ten whole yeeres Tract Enough of this for this may suffice to shewe that the Pope had a great stroke heere Guid. A great stroke in deed and yet I saide nothing of many thousands of Florenes which the Archbyshops and Bishops of England payed to the Pope at euery vacation for their Anuales of first fruits If you list to see more of this matter turne to the 794. 795 page of the Apology Tract Not I I had rather haue peace of conscience and that I knew in what Church God is best honoured that I might ioyne to that so liue dye that I may liue for euer Guid. Indeed that you speake of is more worth then ten thousand worlds Sith thē in our Church are found the holy Scriptures which teach men in whom to beleeue how to beléeue and how to liue that we may liue with Christ our life and light that lasteth lighteth euer I maruaile why you should not frame your selfe to come among vs. If the Byshop of Rome be haue himselfe like a good Shepheard feeding the Romans with sound fodder it is the better both for himself and them if not it is the worse for both howsoeuer he be he is far from vs but the Testament of Christ thankes bee to God is neere vs and we finde our Sauiour in that Testament saying Where two or three are gathered together in my name there am I in the midst of them Now what is it to bee gathered together in his name who is call'd Iesus Christ but to come in sincerity beléeuing in him with a minde to please him the beareth that name confessing him to be our Iesus that is our Sauiour to be Christ that is the annointed King to gouerne and defend vs annoynted Priest to offer himselfe a Sacrifice once for all and a Prophet yea greater then all Prophets yea then all Angels as being the Sonne of God Heb. 1. by whom in the last dayes God hath spoken and made knowne vnto vs his will to come I say beleeuing in him calling vpon God for mercy in his name to come with a mind to obey his voyce to come with charitable hearts one towards another so far from seeking the destruction one of another that though any of vs tooke another for his enemy yet if we saw him hunger or thirst wee should so refresh him and so pitty his misery that by our charitable dealing we might do what in vs lay to quench the fierie coles of his wrath and turne it into hot burning loue towards vs. If thus wee come together we be gathered together in Christ his name then he will bee among vs and no doubt but where such a head is the body cānot want life neither doth any sound member of such a body deserue to be or wish to be cut off from the whole Good M. Tractable be tractable be not wifull doe not condemne the Doctrine taught in our Churches vpon heare say come your selfe and you shall heare such as haue knowledge teach that there is one true liuing and eternall God immortall inuisible only wise which made al things by that logos or word which was in the beginning with God being the onely naturall Sonne of God Ioh. 1.14 I i● before all worlds which word or Son at the appointed time was made flesh that is became man when he was conceiued by the holy Ghost borne of that most blessed and most holy woman the Virgin Mary not by turning the Godhead or diuine nature which he had before all time into the manhood but by taking of the manhood which consisteth of a reasonable soule and humane flesh into the Godhead and so in the same flesh without sinne dyed for our sins and rose againe for our iustification reconciling vs vnto God sanctifying and comforting with his holy Spirit all the Elect Ephe 1. whō the Father hath chosen in him before the foundation of the world that they should be holy and without blame before him in loue who hath predestinated vs to be adopted through Iesus Christ vnto himselfe according to the good pleasure of his will to the praise of the glory of his grace wherwith he hath made vs accepted through his beloued in whom we haue redemption through his bloud euen the forginenesse of sins according to his rich grace c. Which things as also the assuring vs of our resurrection to life euerlasting when the same Christ our Sauiour who now sitteth at the right hand of Maiesty on high shall come to iudge quicke dead are sealed to the strengthening and comforting of our soules Not onely in baptisme were we are dedicated to the seruice of the blessed Trinfty by dying to sinne and walking to newnesse of life but also in the Lords Supper where by eating and drinking that holy Sacrament we are more effectually stirred vp through faith to féed spiritually on the very body of Christ crucified and to drinke his most precious bloud shed for remission of our sins Which great loue of his we ought to remember with thanksgiuing vntill his comming againe endeuouring to assure our selues of our effectuall calling and so of our election by bringing forth the fruits of that Faith which worketh by loue which is then done when we flie from euill and do that which is good walking in our vocation as becommeth vs first calling vpon God without whose blessing and fauour all labour and watching is in vaine Psal 127 then hauing a care to giue euery man his due whether he be superiour equall or inferiour to hurt none Rom 12 to do good to all to reioice in hope to be patient in tribulation to distribute to the necessity of such as want according to our ability especally to the houshold of faith to loue without dissimulation to pray for our persecutors Mat. 5 44 that it would please God to conuert them as he conuerted Saul to take heed of recompencing euill for euill to remember that vengeance belongeth to God to beware of being wise in our owne conceite to confesse that none but God is free from sinne and errour Mat. 11.29 and that those which be gone to rest are frée through Christ of whom it we that be here learne to bee humble and méeke wee shall through the same blessed Sauiour if we continue to the end be exalted to that life ioy that hath no end And so I leaue you to God to whom be all praise and glory now and euer through Christ who grant vs all to farewell FINIS
Rom 15 4 whatsoeuer things are written are written for our learning Tract But Sir Thomas Moores bookes and the Golden-legend and such like are written ergo for our learning Guid. Soft Maister Tractable you are too forward for you minor or assumption if I had bene disposed to make a sillogisme I would haue done it without your helpe if the Apostle had meant whatsoeuer was written in any booke you had concluded well but he meant not so for if he had then we should reade for our learning Huon of Burdeaux Beuis of Hampton all bookes of fables errours and lies whatsoeuer but he speaketh of the holy Scriptures for immediately after the former words he hath these that we through patience comfort of the Scriptures might haue hope And when hée saith as it is written I haue made thee a father of many Nations and againe now it is not written for him only Gen. 17.4.15.6 that it was imputed to him Abraham for righteousnesse but also for vs c. he meaneth writtē in Genesis And when he writeth to the Corinthians touching the Death and Resurrection of Christ our Redéemer hee saith 1. Cor. 15.3.4 that Christ dyed for our sinnes according to the Scriptures Exo. 12.6 7 Ps 22 15.16 17. and that he was buried and that hee arose the third day Esa 34 53. Zach 13 7 according to the Scriptures And Saint Peter writing to those that had obtained like precious faith c. saith Wee haue also a more sure Propheticall word to the which you do well that yée take héed as vnto a light that shineth in a darke place Dan. 9.26 Ionas 1.17 2. Pet. 1 19. vntill the day dawne and the Day-starre arise in your hearts not meaning that the words of the Prophets in themselues were more firme or of greater credit then the Gospell of Christ or that voyce of God the Father Math. 17.5 This is my beloued Sonne in whom I am well pleased heare him Tract Saint Peter saith hee heard that voyce when hee was with him in the Holy mount but he saith nothing of these words heare him Guid. No more doth hee mention his owne words spoken a little before that voyce came Rom. What words were those Guid. Maister it is good for vs to be here c. we may not thinke that Saint Mathew reporteth an vntruth because Saint Peter spake not all at once there was a voyce also from heauen when Christ was baptized but then neither Mathew Mark nor Luke mentioned those words heare him But to returne to the matter we haue in hand you sée by the places I cited that for the guiding of our faith and bringing of vs to the true knowledge of our saluation purchased by Christ we are sent to the Scriptures therefore Mistresse Romana and you Maister Tractable if you will build surely build your faith on the holy scriptures let no mens writings carry you any whither without this good guid If you would take as great delight in reading the Bible as you do in the books you speak of pray God heartily in al humility of spirit to giue you such mesure of knowledge as may suffice to bring true comfort to your soule and therewithall bee willing and diligent in hearing the Word taught which is a special ordinary means to plant in you a sound Faith in Christ our Wisedome Righteousnesse Sanctification and Redemption I doubt not but in short space you should sée how fowly you were deceiued in thinking you might go to heauen by obseruing mens Traditions stumbling in the darke without the word of God which the Prophet Dauid calleth a Lantherne to his feet and a light to his pathes Ps 119.105 Rom. If I should giue eare vnto you M. Guidewell and such as you are would you bring me to any other faith thē that which is called Catholike Guid. The summe of the ancient Catholicke faith to be receiued of all that will bée saued is set downe in the Créede called the Apostles Créed which beginneth thus I beleeue in God the Father Almighty c. And in the other receiued Créed Whosoeuer will be saued c. Which Créed is read diuers times in our Churches yeerely Rom. Is there no mention in that ancient Creed of praying to saints of going a Pilgrimage of worshipping of the Crosse and Images of Purgatory praying on Beades and such other matters as are receiued of vs which go to Masse Guid. Aske your Cozen. Rom. What say you Cozen are they Tract No what then shall we not vse Baptisme and the Supper of the Lord because they are not mentioned in that Creed Guid. Christ commanded the vse of them but not of the other yea rather hee forbiddeth the other for that they are repugnant to that which he commandeth and teacheth Mad. Most of your side M. Tractable are found to be far more forward in obseruing that which man requireth then that which the Almighty commandeth Many especially the ignorant sort talke much of the Catholike Faith but if one should aske them what is the true iustifying faith how it is wrought in vs to what end it is giuen vs I feare they would make but a simple answere Rom. If one should aske you Madame what would you answere Mad. Maister Guidewell is present therefore it is fit that he should answere Guid. Nay pray you let her heare what you can say Mad. This then vnder correction I say that Faith is a sure perswasion wrought in the hearts of the elect by the Spirit of God together with his word truly taught reuerently heard and well vnderstood by the which faith the soule beléeueth that it repenting and stedfastly cleauing vnto Christ her head and Sauiour hath all her sinnes throughly remitted and is reconciled to God to the end shee should bring forth the fruites of Repentance and in loue doe the workes of a sound faith to the glory of God the good example of others and the assuring her selfe of her effectuall calling and so of her election to life euerlasting Rom. I promise you Madam I take it to be farre more easie to kisse a Crucifixe to heare a Masse to goe to shrift to say dayly twenty Auo maries besides De profundis and to fast the Imber dayes from flesh hauing other good fare to serue the turne then to learne and practise this which you haue spoken of faith and workes I had thought you Protestants had shut good workes cleane out of your doores Guid. You and others are told many things which you should finde false if you would be one of our hearers for we teach that as that sonne which will dwell in his fathers house which is bought for him must go the right way vnto it So though Christ hath bought a resting place for vs in heauen with his bl●ud yet if we will enioy it wée must walke the right way to it dye to sin and lead a new life 2. Tim. 2 19.