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A03691 An ansvveare made by Rob. Bishoppe of VVynchester, to a booke entituled, The declaration of suche scruples, and staies of conscience, touchinge the Othe of the Supremacy, as M. Iohn Fekenham, by vvrytinge did deliuer vnto the L. Bishop of VVinchester vvith his resolutions made thereunto. Horne, Robert, 1519?-1580.; Feckenham, John de, 1518?-1585. 1566 (1566) STC 13818; ESTC S104234 173,274 272

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place of the Actes of y e Apostles vt pascatis Ecclesiā to feede the Church S. Peter making the like exhortation to this of S. Paule to the Bishops dispersed vseth y e selfe same woorde saying Pascite quantū in vobis est gregem Christi Feede so muche as you may the flocke of Christ Christ him selfe also teachinge Peter all other Bishops what manner of rule gouernment as properly geuen them by Gods woorde they should haue in y e Church doth expresse it with y e selfe same woorde saying Pasce agnos meos feede my Lābes To rule gouerne the L. household faithfully and prudently Christ expoūdeth to be nothing els in general thā to geue meate vnto his family in due season Neither did our sauiour Christ geue other power authority or cōmissiō vnto his Apostels so to al other Bishops as properly belonginge and onely to the Bishoply office then this As my Father sente me so I sende you receiue the holy ghost whose sinnes yee remit they are remitted whose sinnes yee retaine they are reteyned goo therefore and teache all nations Baptizinge them in the name of the Father and of the Sonne and of the holy Ghost teachinge them to obserue all thinges that I haue commaunded you So that the Bishoply rule and gouernment of Gods Church consisteth in these thrée pointes to feade the Church with Goddes woorde to Mynister Christes Sacramentes and to binde and lose all whiche thrée partes Christ comprehendeth vnder this one saying to geue meate to the Lordes family in due season And S. Paule in these woordes to feede the Churche of God The circumstaunce of the sentence whiche you alledged foorth of the Actes doth also shewe in the example of Paule him selfe who was inferiour to none of the Apostles and Churche mynisters in any point that he claimed or tooke vppon him none other rule or gouernment than of féedinge Goddes Church with the spiritual foode of the Ghospell He setteth foorth the execution of his owne office and by that example moueth the Bishoppes of Ephesus to the like sayinge I haue serued the Lorde with all humblenes of minde I haue leaft nothinge vndoone that might be profitable to you but I haue declared and taught you openly and priuely the repētaunce and faith in God and Iesus Christe I receyued an office of mynistery from the Lorde Iesus to testifie the ghospell of Gods grace and to preach the kingdome of God I haue hidden nothinge of Goddes councell from you Take heede therfore to your selues and to Christes flocke as I haue doone whereof the holy Ghost hath appointed you Bisshoppes as he did me to feede the Churche of God as you knowe and sée that I haue done This that you call to gouerne and rule was with Paule to serue with lowlines to mynister with watchefulnes to preache teache and testifie the Ghospell and the kingedome of God publikely and priuately and to shewe to the flocke all the Councell of God touchinge their saluation keepinge nothinge thereof backe from them To gouerne the Churche of God after this sorte belongeth to the onely office of Bishoppes and Churche mynisters and not to Kinges Quéenes and Princes who may not neither doo clayme or take vppon them this kinde of spirituall gouernment and rule or any part thereof with the Bishops neither doo they take the supremacy and chiefe parte of this spirituall gouernement from the Churche mynisters As contrary wise the Churche mynisters ought not to claime and take vppon them the supremacy of gouernement as the Papistes of longe time haue doone from Kinges Quéenes and Princes M. Fekenham And vvhan your L. shalbe hable to prooue that these vvoordes of the Apostle Paule and by him vvriten in his Epistle vnto the Hebrevves Obedite praepositis vestris subiacete eis ipsi enim peruigilant quasi rationem pro animabus vestris reddituri vt cum gaudio hoc faciant non gementes Doo yee obey your spirituall gouernours and submitte your selues vnto them for they watche as men whiche muste geue accompt for your soules that they may doo it with ioye and not with griefe VVhan your L. shalbe hable to proue that these vvoordes vvere not vvriten of the Apostle Paule asvvell for all Christian Emperours Kinges and Queenes as for the inferiour sort of people than shall I in like maner yelde touchinge that text of Paule and thinke my selfe very vvell satisfied The B. of Wynchester No man hath or dooth denie that the Churche mynisters hath to gouerne the flocke by preachinge and feedinge with the woorde which is the rule or gouernment that Paule speaketh of in this place also whereto all Princes are and ought to be subiecte and obedient For this subiection and obediēce to the woorde of the Ghospel taught and preached by the Bishoppes sittinge in Christes chayre whiche is the whole rule and gouernement they haue or ought to clayme as propre to their callinge is commaunded so well to Princes as to the inferiour sorte of the people as you say truely although your cause is no deale holpen nor my assertion any whit improued thereby M. Fekenham And vvhen your L. shalbe hable to proue that these vvoordes of Paule Mulieres in Ecclesijs taceant c. Let the wemen keepe silence in the Churche for it is not permitted vnto them there to speake but let them liue vnder obedience lyke as the Lawe of God appointeth them and if they be desirous to learne any thing let them aske their husbandes at home for it is a shamefull and rebukefull thinge for a woman to speake in the Churche of Christe VVhan your L. shalbe hable to proue that these vvoordes of Paule vvere not asvvell spoken of Queenes Duchesses and of noble VVomen as of the meane and inferiour sorte of vvomen Like as these vvoordes of almighty God spoken in the plague and punishment first vnto our mother Eue for her offence and secondarily by her vnto all vvomen vvithout exception vidꝪ Multiplicabo aerumnas c. I shall encrease thy dolours sorowes and conceyuinges and in payne and trauayle thou shalt bringe foorth thy children and thou shalt lyue vnder the authority and power of thy husbande and he shall haue the gouernement and dominion ouer thee VVhan your L. shalbe hable to proue any exception to be made either in these vvoordes spoken in the olde Lavve by the mouth of God either in the vvoordes before spoken of the Apostle Paule in the nevv than I shall in like manner yelde and vvith moste humble thankes thinke my selfe very vvell satisfied in conscience not onely touchinge all the afore alleadged testimonies but also in this seconde chiefe pointe The B. of Wynchester I doo graunt the woordes of the holy Scriptures in bothe these places to be spoken to all states of wemen without exception But what make they for your purpose how doo they conclude and confirme your cause Women muste be silent in the Churche and are not
and you within one howre after You knowe right well that your restrainte was not vppon that occasion but vpon your seemely behauiour aboute other matters whereof ye make no mention least you shoulde haue prooued your selfe a Lyer After I had in fewe woordes calmed the storme that séemed would aryse betwixt M. Denny and you I entred into talke with you in matters of Religion as I was wont to doo daily before The talke was of veniall mortall sinne you haue not forgotten the occasion I am sure for if you haue in your remembraunce the Monkish Iebusites you cal them Iesuytes you may remember that a crosse that came from them gaue the occasion of the talke in that matter I proued that no sinne is so veniall as it coulde be remitted by any ceremony yea there is no sinne but the same of it selfe is mortall and yet venyall to be purged by the merites of Christe onely and that all sinnes were they neuer so mortall were neuerthelesse venyal sauing al only the sinne against the holy Ghost whiche is irremissible For this my saiyng and other pointes whiche I condemned ye fell into suche a rage that ye not onely rayled against the Bishop of Sarisbury saiynge he was vtterly vnlearned and that he should neuer be hable to answere M. Hardinges booke but also openly called me almoste in plaine termes Heretique and said my doctrine which I preached yet ye would neuer heare me was erroneous filihy and blasphemous so filthely your blasphemous mouth coulde raile against Gods truthe Whereupon I to state you said alonely that those were vnmannerly wordes to be spoken at myne owne table and therfore would as than saye no more openly vnto you there but tolde you that after dynner I would shewe you more of my minde betwixt you me And so shortly after dinner I came vp to you and there calling you into the Gallorie of my house adioyning to your chamber I put you in remēbraunce of that which I had before oftentimes admonished you of your outragious talke in myne absence vsed oftentimes openly at my table whereof I had sondry tymes geuen you warninge for that the same might breede perill to your selfe blame to me and offence to others And bicause I founde stil the continuance of that your misorder yea to be muche more vehement many times in mine absence than in my presence Therfore I willed you thenceforth to absteine from conferring with any man in any wise at all adding that you should haue to your chamber all thinges necessary what meate you woulde competently appointe for your owne diet whiche ye had accordingly And although I did restraine you from comming to my table or to goe so muche at large as you had doon yet had you no other keper than you had before which was your owne man you had a faire Gallory adioyning to your chamber openinge to my parke your seruaunt a chamber by him selfe nexte to yours ye had Leades faire and large on the whiche ye might walke and haue prospect bothe ouer the Parkes Gardeins and Orchardes And therewith thrise in the weake at the least whiles I laye at Waltham with one by me appointed you walked abroade into the Parkes Garden and Orchard and this you call your close empriprisonment Sixthly touching my complaint to the most honourable of you whereby you were remitted prisoner againe to the Tower what the same was their honours can well declare if their pleasure so be beinge suer that I haue not broken promise with you hetherto in vttering your opiniō against the Lawes of the Realme as I haue before said whiche ye shewed at any time in the priuate conference And so ye haue not any cause to challenge me in that behalfe To conclude by the premisses it may appeare to the honourable as by a tast what sinceritie there is in you Againe that this your quarreling and beliynge me by spreadyng this booke was and is chiefly to recouer your credit with those of your faction who as I haue said had conceiued some doubt of your reuolt and to cōfirme them in their grounded errour and herewith to bring me and other suche as I am into obloquy and hatred And lastly to impugne barke against the Q. Maiesties Lawfull and due authoritie whiche you and your complices daily labour to subuert which matter I referre to be further considered by the graue wisdome of the moste honourable FINIS Definition of a gouernour Thom. Aquin quaest 3. de malo ●a●ien 1. Deuter. 17. The duety of a Kinge Gloss ordinar Aben. Ezra Deuter. 13. Iosue 3. Iosue 4. Iosue 5. Iosue 6. Iosue 8. Iosue 23. 24 2. Sam. 5. 1. Paral. 13. 1. Paral. 15. 1. Paral. 16. 3. Reg. 2. 3. Reg. 5. 2. Paral. 8. 2 Paral. 17. Gloss ord 2. Paral. 19 2. Paral. 20. 4. Reg. 18. 2. Parali 29. 2. Parali 30. 2. Parali 31. 4. Reg. 23. Epist 48. Epist 50. Lib. 2. cont lit Pet. Lib. 2. cont Epi. Gaud. August Epist 48. Cont. lit Petil. lib. 2. cap. 92. Lib. 2. con Epist 2. Gaud. ca. 26 Epist 48. 50. Lib. 2. cont lit Petil. ca. 92. Lib. 2. ca ▪ 26 Epist 48. Epist 50. Epist 48. Epist 48. Epist 50. Epist 48. Lib. 2. cont lit Petil. ca. 92. Danie 3. Rom. 1. 2. Cor. 6. Esa 49. Lyra in Esa cap. 49. Euseb li. 3 de vita Const Lib. 2. 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