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A03398	A suruay of the pretended holy discipline. Contayning the beginninges, successe, parts, proceedings, authority, and doctrine of it: with some of the manifold, and materiall repugnances, varieties and vncertaineties, in that behalfe	Bancroft, Richard, 1544-1610.	1593 (1593)	STC 1352; ESTC S100667	297,820	466

were giuen Omnibus veris presbyteris to all true Priests or Elders including in that number his vnpriestlie Eldermen Againe vpon these words of christ the keyes c. Hac metaphorica loquutione significatur oeconomi potestas Esa 22 22. qua funguntur omnes ministri in ecclesia dei vt apparet infra 18 18. By this metaphoricall speech is signified that power of Christ mentioned in Esay the key of the house of Dauid I will lay vppon his shoulders loe hee shall open and no man shall shut and hee shall shut and no man shall open which power all the Ministers in the Church of God doe enioye as it appeareth in Mathew Whatsoeuer ye binde in earth shall bee bound in heauen and whatsoeuer ye loose on earth shall bee loosed in heauen And vppon that place of Mathew the 18 Chapter and in manie other places by the Church and those binders and loosers there spoken of hee vnderstandeth his Eldership so consequently aswell his Aldermen as the Ministers of the worde Hee that with an open face to vse Cartwrightes terme doth affirme that either in Mathew the 16. 15. or in the place of Esay mentioned these vnpreaching Elders were ment or prefigured needeth not I warrant him at any time a vizard Indeed maister Cartwright is not of Bezaes mind herein For saith he in Math. 16. and in Ioh. 20. Christ vnder standeth that euery one of the ministers bindeth looseth by preaching but the wordes Math. 18.18 cannot bee drawen to the particular person of the minister Surelye you haue sponne a faire thredde For if your Aldermen be not aswell vnderstoode in the wordes of Christ Vnto thee I will giue the keyes of the kingdome of heauen as in these Whatsoeuer yee binde on earth shall bee bound in heauen and whatsoeuer ye loose on earth shall be loosed in heauen It will fall out that they will haue no keies either to open or shut withall except peraduenture you will make your lockes with a springe and so indeed they maie shutte the dore but for openinge of it they maie blowe their nailes Heere you see Beza and Cartwright opposite and now you shall haue a fellow to impugne them both in a Theologicall position printed at Geneua sette out by Ant. Fayus and maintained there by one Danyell Niellius out of Math. 16.19 thus saith hee wee may reason To them onely the power of binding and loosing is giuen vnto whom the keyes of the kingdome of heauen are giuen for to haue binding and loosing is that same that it is to haue the keyes of the kingdome of heauen but vnto Peter the keyes were giuen and vnto them in whose name Peter aunswereth Christ demaunding whom the Iewes sayd hee was And because they were giuen ratione officij in regarde of his office it followeth that they were giuen to al qui in veritatis doctrina predicanda sunt ipsis successuri Who in preaching the doctrine of truth shall succeed them By these wordes then their disguised Aldermen must either haue assigned vnto them the same office that the Apostles had be made preachers or else they may put vp their pipes and goe shake their eares But yet more plainly we are aduertised in the same place from Geneua out of Iohn 20.23 We may also inferre after this sorte Christ after hee sent his Apostles as he was sent of the father he breathed on them the holy Ghost saying whose sinnes ye remit they shal be remitted whose sinnes ye retaine they shall be retayned To all them therefore and onely to them who are sent that authoritie is giuen But the Apostles onely are not sent For it is Christ who ascending into heauen gaue to his Church Pastors and Doctors and altogether to that end and for handling that worke Ephes. 4.11.13 Now ioyne both these inferences with that which Beza Cartwright haue before set downe and let him for mee beare the bell for a reconciler of contrarieties that is able in anie probable sorte to make anie one of them friendes with another or for euer hereafter to agree together And yet I know that they of Geneua can do much You must bring them very strange discords but they will make some harmonie of them Whereas the confessions of Bohemia of Augusta and the Apologie of the Church of England doe a cribe these censures wee speake of to the Priestes or Ministers of the word onely the Geneuians to make the world beleeue that in effect all the reformed Churches doe agree with that of theirs and with those other that weare her cullors will needes take vpon them in their annotations ioyned to the ende of their harmony to expoūd the meaning of the said confessions how they must be rightly vnderstoode As for example it is committed to the ministers of the word● saith the confession of Augusta excludere impios c. a●communione ecclesiae to exclude the wicked c. from the communiō of the church Nimirum that is to say affirme the Geneuians ex presbiterij legitimè congregati fententia c. according to the sentence of the Eldership lawfully assembled whereas it neuer as yet set vp any such Eldership Againe the said confession Hic necessario c. heere the Church must yeeld them due obedience meaning to the sayde ministers so excluding the wicked Nempe come in the Geneuians verbi ministris senioribus that is to say to the Ministers of the worde and to the Elders who were neuer allowed of by that confession to this purpose pretended The Apologie of the Church of England hauing shewed that the administration of the keyes doth onely belong to ministers of the worde and that Sacerdos that is the Bishop as I thinke hee meaneth for the execution of these censures is the iudge Sacerdos that is say the Geneuians vnus designatus ex pastorum collegio one chosen out of the Colledge of Pastors Deinde etiam intelligiturpraeire quum de censuris ecclesiasticis agitur leg●tinam presbyterij cognitionem And furthermore also let it be vnderstoode when speache is of the ecclesiasticall censure that there goeth before a lawfull determination of the Eldership Whether the Apologie haue that meaning the meanest of any sense at all may iudge And thus they deale also with the Bohemian confession So that as I sayd to serue their purposes they can make ex quo libet quid libet of any thing what they list And by these examples ye may also safely learne what credite is to be giuen in this cause both to them and all the rest of that humour when they would seeme to alledge eyther scriptures Councels or Fathers for their most vnwarrantable and counterfeit Aldermen But if it were graunted vnto them for a moneth or two that their Eldermen should be ioyned with the ministers of the worde and haue an equall authoritie with them of binding and loosing would they content themselues therewithall It is

their giftes and qualities shoulde bee chosen to such and such offices there ought euer especiall care to be had that none destitute of them as neer as might be should be admitted vnto them And if I haue been deceaued herein I maruaile howe it commeth to passe that many men vnfit for their giftes being vpon diuerse occasions more necessarie then can happen for the choyse of their Elders admitted into the ministery such wants haue not been so plentifully supplied and they sodainly become new men But the rule holdeth of likelihood only for their Elders Ah hee meaneth I suppose that God will take off the spirite that is in him and the rest of their Pastors and doctors and put it vppon them as he did from Moses for the 70. Numb 2. and this you may beleeue when you heare them all prophesie Surely for ought I can see they haue not any suche aboundant store of the giftes of Gods spirite that they can spare much to bee taken from them except they shall be left wholly destitute But it were good wee sent into Scotland and some other Countries to learne more certainly of this straunge metamorphosis before we be too light of credite For as I take it we may not looke for such extraordinary matters nowe And besides I feare if their Elders should receiue any portion of that spirite which is in some reformers it will be of that which offred himselfe to be a lying spirite in the mouthes of certaine Prophets and then it were better for vs they neuer prophesied CHAP. XIII Of their vncertaintie whether their Elders be ecclesiasticall men or lay men THere hath been an auncient distinction betwixt the Priests and the people the one sorte being tearmed the Cleargie and the other the laitie Which notwithstanding Beza misliketh Veteres patres cleri nomen ad collegium Ecclesiasticorum ministrorum transtulerunt The auncient fathers did transferre the name of Cleargie vnto the Colledge of Ecclesiasticall Ministers c. but they ought not to haue done so If they had been as wise as Beza is it is like they would not The pretence of this reproofe which is made by diuerse is saide to bee in respect of Gods people for that they are thereby iniuried And haue they deuised a way how to recompence them Surely they haue But it is as meane a one as euer you knew For they deuide all Christians into Church-Ministers or officers and into Idiots Christ saide not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to the Idiotes that is vnto all the people whose sinnes yee remitte c. Sed ecclesiastica authoritate praeditis but to suche as are endewed with Ecclesiasticall authoritie sayth Beza Againe touching the same wordes Sunt iudicialia haec verba Ideoque ad 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 id est nullo publico munere in Ecclesia fungentes quos postea laicos vocarunt minimè pertinentia They are iudiciall phrases And therefore doe not appertayne vnto Idiots that is to those that haue no publicke office in the church whō afterward they called Lay-men Laicis postea hos vocarunt quibus oppositi sunt Ecclesiastici After they called them Lay-men to whom the Ecclesiasticall were opposite And because hereof great abuse did growe they will now renew the former distinction So now as many as are neyther pastors Doctors Elders nor Deacons be they Kings Councellors Lawyers or whatsoeuer they must satisfie themselues with the names of Idiots And if you will knowe the verye nature of the worde Idiota mayster Beza will also tell you Idiots are quasi priuati as it were priuate men But more fully in another place By the name of Idiots propriè significantur plaebeij viles c. Iam veró quia eiusmodi homines sere indocti sunt rerum imperiti idcirco factum est vt Idiotae dicātur qui minimè ingeniesi sunt aut intelligentes Plebeiall and base persons are properly signyfied Now therefore because such men are for the most part vnlearned and ignorant it is come to passe that they who are not ingenious or men of vnderstanding are called Idiots Wise men and Idiots And did S. Paule make this diuision well I feare that they themselues will proue the Idiots But in the meane time the state of the Lande that hath no place in your regiment is beholden vnto them for marshalling them so discreetly Besides this distribution they allow also of another wherein all the sayd Idiots are termed ciuile men and their wise gouernours ecclesiasticall persons A name as strange almost for Artizans and men of trade such as before are mentioned as the former of Bishops and Archbishops And yet it must needes bee so For sayth Cartwright For so much as they were Church officers and ●uer the people in matters pertayning to God such as watched ouer the soules of men though they were no pastors to preach the word yet they were no laymen as they terme thē but ecclesiasticall persons Which if anye man will deny let him denye also that two and two makes foure For sayth the Counterpoyson Whosoeuer is called with due examination and triall with the consent of those to whom it appertayneth and are with fasting and prayers or with prayers onely and with imposition of handes separated or put a part to that office they are ecclesiasticall persons and not Lay-men as they terme them But Beza as I take it is plaine in this poynt and to our men verie opposite For sayth hee in proofe of his Elders Certè nisi c. Surely except some men chosen out of the body of the whole assemblie should sit in that companye by whom the whole Church is gouerned The generall name of the church would scarsly agree to that company with which name notwithstanding it is adorned because through that meanes men being chosen out of all the partes of the whole Church they might represent the whole church By which wordes his meaning eyther must needes be that for the better representation of the whole church there must be Lay-men as wee call them aswell of the Eldership as Ministers or that their Elders ought to bee chosen out of the companie of men of euery trade and vocation which cannot in any wise agree to the practise of Geneua where men of the state and Councellors are onely chosen Now if vppon their choyse as being Idiots before they are become wise So of Lay-men they are presentlie made Ecclesiasticall persons then the representation of both the estates is drowned by which meanes theyr Eldershippe might loose the name of the Church or at the least scarsely continew it Heere commeth also further into my minde another opinion of Bezaes fitte for this place which in my iudgement doth mightely thwart not himselfe onely but all his abettors for erecting vp of their Eldershippe He sayth when Christ vsed these words Tell the church c. Math. 18. In discipulorum persona legitimum ecclesiae nomine consensum

coulde not depute it to the Apostle So as it remaineth that he did it by his owne authoritie or at the least in the name of the rest that were ministers of the word which will not agree with our mens platforme If here exception be taken to Caluin as that in some other of his writings he is of an other minde you must bee aduertised that he beginning to write betimes did in diuers thinges vpon better aduise change his opinion And therefore in one of his epistles desireth those that wil reade his workes that they would first take the paines to reade his institutions as conteininge in them for those things there set downe his verie mind and setled iudgment But what if Beza doe in sort agree herin with Caluin Surely if I vnderstand him he doth For vpon these wordes Cum impositione manuum presbyterij id est saith he ordinis presbyterorum qu● nomine caetus omnis ille significatur qui in verbo laborabat in ea ecclesia that is the order of Priestes or Elders by which name all that company is signified which did laboure in the word in that Church Disburden then for shame your counterfet Aldermen of this ioint-dutie in your Eldership or at the leaste let them rest vntill you be better resolued amongst your selues howe to imploie them least yow bring them within the compasse of the punishment of Corah Dathan and Abiram as I haue said before CHAP. 17. Of their Aldermens ioynt office with the ministers in binding and loosing of sinnes and of their disagreement therin COncerning their pretended authoritie equall with their ministers for their procedings are by voyces in excommunication of the stubborne and absolution of the repentant will they trouble themselues thinke you with any testimonies out of the old testament Indeede they affirme that these censures were resembled there by the authority of discerning bettwene the cleane and the vncleane betwene the holy vnholy of shutting vp the leprous and releasinge them of purginge the vncleane of cursing resembling bindding of blessing resembling loosing c. And be it so But where is there mention in any such places that your pretēded Elders had any authoritie to intermeddle with these matters Are they not throughout the whole olde testament euermore ascribed to Aaron and his sonnes Nay might any that were of other tribes then of the tribe of Leui deale heerwithal Speake franckly truly might they so Beza could find no answere to this question but Probabile est it is probable they might whereas I am perswaded there are fewe assertions of greater absurditie or of lesse probabilitie For the Leuites themselues that were not of the sonnes of Aaron had nothinge to doe in these thinges Trauers defininge what suspension is saith it is a commaundement or prohibition of an Elder of abstaininge for a certaine time from the receauing of the Sacraments For the proofe wherof he groundeth himselfe vpon this shadow as hee termeth it That by the law the vncleane and vncircumcised were prohibited the celebrating of the Passeouer entrance into the Temple Which caused saith hee Ioiada the priest to appoynt certaine porters to the gates of the Temple By which testimonies what hee else proueth then that his Elders were of the number of these Porters I finde not And that surelye agreeth best with Bezaes opion mentioned Horum proculdubio partes erant c. It was out of doubt the dutye of the Arch-rulers of the Synagogues not to admitte excommunicated persons into the Synagogues With which offices if they of that consorte will bee content to infeoffe their Aldermen and goe no further I see no cause why any man should greatly enuie them that preferment But when from dore-keepers they must be so aduaunced as that they must bee abdicators and comforters as they terme them that is more then vpon such weake collections is fit to bee allowed of For where they giue them these iointe offices with the Minister of abdicating the stubborne and of consolation of the repentant if they would speake out it is as much as though they should saie that they haue equall authoritie with them of suspension and excommunication of bindinge and loosing of retaining and remitting of sinnes No no they maie sende them to Parishgarden to loose and bind beares for they are farre vnmeet to haue anie such authoritie ouer mens soules That those which were not Bishops or Priestes that is ministers of the word and sacraments should haue that authoritie which they speake of is a matter that was neuer heard of in the Church of God for a 1500. yeares Cartwright in handling this pointe was able to bring for his purpose but one pertinent authoritie in shew out of all the auncient Fathers vz. out of Tertullian of certaine Presidents that shut offenders from praiers in the Congregation which presidents as hee well knoweth the same Tertullian saith expresslie in an other place were Ministers of the worde and sacraments in these wordes speaking of the Lordes supper Nec de aliorum manu quàm presidentium sumimus neyther do wee receaue at the handes of any other but of the gouernours It is worthie the consideration to see into what extremities men do commonlie fall that will presume to builde the Church vppon the straw and stubble of their owne deuises All the world cannot perswade the papists but that the keies of the kingdome of heauen were onely giuen to Peter and so to his successors and that from him the rest of the Apostles were to receaue them and so must their successors from the Pope Against whom we insist with the auncient Fathers that what was saide to Peter appertained to them all as namelie for one reasō in that where the keyes were promised to Peter tibi dabo I will giue them to thee when this promise was performed Christ gaue them vnto all the Apostles alike and to their successors Whose sinnes yee remit they shall be remitted and whose sinnes ye retaine they shall bee retayned which is the true vse of the keyes Now who are to be termed the Apostles successors if wee will belieue the said auncient Fathers that were in my opinion as honest and learned men as those that oppose themselues against them wee must confesse that they were at the least Ministers of the worde and sacraments and so we haue pleaded in this cause against the papists But now on the other side the world is so come about that whereas the papistes doe giue the keies but to Peter only and so to the Pope where the auntient fathers doe giue them to all the Apostles equally and so to their successors ministers as I said at the leaste now these newe start-ups will needes thrust their aldermen into that number and they must be also the Apostles successors If men will be seduced wilfully by such falseteachers they maie What a ridiculous sayinge is this of Bezaes That In persona Apostolorum the keyes