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A44501	The Quakers proved deceivers and such as people ought not to listen to, or follow, but to account accursed, in the management of a charge formerly given out against them to that effect, by J. Horne, preacher of the gospel at South-Lin in Norfolke. Which charge was managed and made good by him against George Whitehead, in the chancel of South-Lin, before some hundreds of people, Jan. 13. 1659. to the great baffling of the said George Whitehead and his party, through the merciful and gracious hand of the Lord appearing for his truth and servants therein, as is known to, and witnessed by the generality of the audience of understanding. Published as a warning to all to beware of the said people called Quakers, and their erroneous principles herein also in part discovered.	Horn, John, 1614-1676.	1660 (1660)	Wing H2807; ESTC R221604	29,025	16

Heaven to induce us to receive them it is no Angell like appearance either in their excellent speech speaking like Angells vanting that they are in the Spirit and Power of God nor any Angell like carriage in appearing humility holynesse sinlesnesse c. that should presently make us conclude such and such men are of God even such also may be Persons to be accounted accursed by us For even Satan himself is transformed into an Angell of light and no marvaile if his Messengers or Emissaries transforme themselves into Ministers of righteousnesse as the Apostle sayes 2 Cor. 11.13 14. these things then be not the certain characters to know men to be listened to and received by but according to their conformity to the Apostles doctrine If any pretending never such immediate authority from God or have never such an Angell like speech and carriage yet agree not to or speak not the language and Doctrine delivered by the Apostles for the obedience of faith to and among all Nations we are not to listen to or follow him but account him accursed such be the Persons to be so accounted by us I should nextly then inquire into the Doctrine or Gospel preached by the Apostles and so bring these men to the trial of that Touchstone but I shall not enlarge upon that because I would be brief and give him time to answer for himself Only I shall pitch upon two Heads of Trials 1. Touching the manner of the coming of the true Prophets and Apostles in the way of their doctrine And 2. The matter delivered by them therein For the manner of their coming shall note 1. That the true Apostles and Prophets of God and Christ alwayes use● 〈◊〉 to come with abusements of themselves in the Presence of God and with exalting and lifting up God and Christ they use to own themselves sinners to have sin and to be weak bruitish in themselvs as of themselves and the like never any of them have used to vaunt themselves or speak of themselves or one another as sinless but always abase themselves and glorisie the Lord thee therefore that come otherwise preaching themselves sinless and perfect and much more that vilisie and reproach others for confesting sin these have nor the badges of the true Prophets and Apostles by this we may discover this People called Quakers That the holy men of God the Prophets and Apostles use to own themselves to have sin in them the Scripture witness 1. The Patriarchs and First Fathers though we read not of any pa●ticular sins of some of them yet in this they are manifest to have owned themselves to have been sinners and to have sin in them that they use to worship God by Secrifice in which was a remembrance of sin Hebr. 10.2 3. But 2. The Prophets are more express in their acknowledgments as David Psal 19.12 Who can know his errors cleanse thou me from my secret sins and keep me that presumptuous sins prevail not over me he had secret sins them it seems to be cleansed from And again in Psal 38.16 17. I said hear me least otherwise they mine enemies should rejoyce over me when my foot slippeth it seems he was sensible of slips sometimes then they magnifie themselves against me then they rejoyce and insult See this is a Character of false Prophets and enemies to the true Prophets so to do Yea he further adds for I am ready to halt and my sorrow is continually before me for I will declare my iniquity I will be sorry for my sin see David was sensible of his readiness to halt and bewails it and he had iniquity and sin he confested but mine enemies adds he are lively and they are strong c. The enemies to the true Prophets they it seems boasted themselves and vapoured in their strength and pretended holiness as if they had no sin to confess as poor David had and rep●oached David for it as these people and this G. Whitehead have lately reproached us for joyning our selves with the Nation in confessing sin and that they the Quakers are ordered of God as a judgment to us namely this Nation whereof we are part for our neglect of Christ the salvation of God and abuse of his truth how do they infult over us for this Are they not herein made manifest to be like Davids enemies false Prophets that magnified themselves against him and were lively and strong while he confest his sin Again in Psal 143.2 David says Enter not into judgment with thy servant O Lord for no man living shall be justified in thy fight Mark no man living implying clearly that there is no man so just and holy and without sin in himself while he is alive in the world or living or before his decease that he may be any otherwise justified in the fight of God then by his not entring into judgement with him that is then by his forgiving his sin and accepting him in Christ doth not that then clearly and perfectly imply no man perfectly freed from sin in himself in this life Solomon also says in 1 Kings 8.46 There is no man that sinneth not And Eccles 7.20 There is not a just man on earth that doth good and sinneth not he did not then magnifie himself as sinless Agur also a good man see how he abase● himself and gives glory to God in the beginning of his prophesie Prov. 30.2 3. Sarely says he I am more brutish than man and have not the understanding of a man I neither learned wisdome nor have the knowledge of the holy Who hath ascended c. Every word of God is pure he is a shield to them that trust in him he was far from witnessing perfection in himself and glorying thereof to others No he abases himself and only gives glory to God Isaiah also when h● was a Prophets for he began to prophesie in the days of Vzziah Isai 1.1 when he saw the glory of God and Christ and the Seraphins hiding their faces and feet with their wings in his presence as not pure enough for Gods sight and heard them cry one to another not of o● another Holy holy holy is the Lord God of Hosts the whole earth is full of his glory cries out Wo is me for I am undone because I am a man of unclean lips and live in the midst of a people of unclean lips c. And though the Lord then took away his iniquity and purged his sin as if we confess our sins he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness 1 Joh. 1.9 yet we find him again afterward confessing his sin and joyning himself with the people in confessing their iniquities and so he was none of them people reproved by him that use to say to others Stand by thy self I am more holy then thou as Isai 65.5 as in Isai 59.10 11 12 13. We grope for the wall like the blind and we grope as if we

had no eyes the deceivers of our times had they heard him say so its probable would have replyed Thou art a blind Guide indeed art thou fir to be a Prophet and Shepherd and dost thou call ●s blind Watchmen and thou thy self sayest thou gropest like the blind and gropest as if thou hadst no eyes He after adds For our transgressions are multiplied before thee and our sins testifie against us for our transgressions are with us and as for our iniquities we know them in transgressing and lying against the Lord and departing away from our God speaking oppression and revolt c. and again in Isa 64.6 We are all as an uncleanthing and all our righteousnesse are as filthy rags and we do all fade as a lease and our iniquities like the wind have taken us a way So we might shew you in Jer. 14.7 8 9 20 21. And Daniel he confessed Rebellions and Sins against God Dan. 9. and says vers 20. he confessed his sin and the sin of his people Istael c. But I would be breif 3. Come we to the Apostles or the times of and since Christ come in the flesh John the Baptist acknowledged sin in him for he sayes I have need to be baptized of thee and comest thou to me Matth. 3.14 He thought not himself it seems so clean then that he needed no further washing by Christ So the Apostles Paul sayes Sin dwelt in him Rom 7.17 20. and in 1 Tim. 1.15 when he was an Apostle he confest himself a sinner saying Jesus Christ came into the world to save sinners of whom I am mark I am the chief or a chief one James also sayes In many things we offend all Jam. 3.2 and John If we walk in the light as he is in the light then have we fell●n ship one with another And what then have we no sin then in us nay he sayes not so but the contrary the blood of Christ cleanseth us from all sin cleanseth in the present time he sayes not it hath before cleansed us from all so as now there is no further need for it to cleanse us for we have none to be cleansed from But to the contrary If we say we have ●o sin we deceive our selves and the truth is not in us And in chap. 2.1 2. he says These things write I to you that ye sin not it seems then the Apostles w●iting so and confesting sin in them was not a pleading for sin as these men upon that account traduce and reproach us but he writ those things as a warning of men to take heed of sinning for it tends to make men the more watchful to know that there is such an Enemy in their bosom that is so dangerous to them Wheras the contrary perswasion layes men open to follow after what ever is in their hearts as not being sin But sayes he if any man sin we we that beleive have an advocate with the Father Jesus Christ the righteous and he is the propitiation for our sins marke for our sins it seemes then they thought and judged that they had sins and so need to live upon Christ by Faith as their propitiation and to abide alwayes in him wherin they fined no● they sayd not there is no sin in us nor we have no sin in us for Christ to be our propitiation for True it is he sayes in 1 John 4.17 as he is so are we in this World But we are not to straine the Scriptures beyond their scope however that cannot be the meaning of the Apostle that is directly contraty to his other sayings he cannot the●fore mean in it we are without sin as he is because that is contraty to his own saying that if we say we have no sin we deceive our selves nor will it reach to all things for then we might say as Christ is without a visible personal Body in the world subject to aches and pains and mortallity so are we too and that 's evidently false but he speaks in respect of judgment we have such use and respect in the world as Christ hath Hereabout Genge Whitehead began to grow impatient and to set himself to interrupt and to answer but I. H and others present and amongst them Mr. H. the Church warden told him that was not fuire I.H. being called and come thither to make good his charge should have liberty to proceed and I.H. told him he had not yet done with the first branch of it So after a little str●gling he gave way for him to proceed And he proceeded to this purpose I. H. You see this proved that the true Apostles and Prophets use to confesse sin in themselves and none of them to glory in their perfection and sinlesnesse only the false prophets were otherwise carried to lift up themselves as strong and lively and the Pharisees they use to boast God I thank thee I am not as other men are not like the Publican ●nsti●g in themselves chat they were righteous and despising others as being sinners and whether this be not the way too of these men the Quakers for G W. his impatience will not perm● me to observe the method propounded I appeal to all that have heard them or read their books Do not they glory of their sinlesnesse and righteousnesse and despise others th● say they are sinners yea have they not reproached even this G. W. among the rest hath reproached us for owning our selves as part of the Nation guilty of sin with them 2. Again the true Apostles and Teachers use to prove their doctrine and preaching by the Scriptures and not to abuse the Scriptures with grosse and senselesse glosses Now these men do abuse the Scriptures with deceitful glosses I will instance one or two ●we alledged 1 Kings 8.46 There is no man that sinneth not to prove that the true Prophets owned all men to be sinners in the●elves Now mark what a ●llesse glosse these people and this G. W. by name pu●s upon it viz. That among the● that sin there is none that sinneth not making the wisest of men speak a Tautolog●● and 〈◊〉 speech to God that there is none that sins that sins not And then they adde to that ano●her sorry shift that that was under the Old Covenant under the New Covenant is otherwise as if they would say under the Old Covenant there was no man of them that sinned that sinned not but now it s otherwise some among those that sin sin not Again to Eccles 7.20 There is not a just man upon earth that si●neth not They say mark the word there there in the changeable state is not a just man c. pulling the word there from is when as G. W. knows that it is but one word in the Latine viz. Est and to there and is ought not to be parted there is not in that place Adve●b of Place and then too they must say Job was not such a just man for he was in the changable state

I undertake to make you ovvn it But to prove you so It s enough the people see it They are to judg vvhether I make good my charge T.M. Either speak something to purpose or acknovvledg thy mouth stopp'd as it hath often been by the force of the truth G.W. He vvould have me acknovvledg my mouth stopt and yet I speak to them and ansvver them T.M. A man may have his mouth stopt though he speak vvhen he speaks to no purpose A mans mouth his stop'd when he cannot resist the wisdome and povver by vvhich the truth is spoken as Act 6. could not resist though yet they are said Act. 7. to have resisted And it appears thy mo●th is stopt because thou runst avvay from the charge to other imper● things J.H. Well George hither to I have made good my charg That you come not as the true Prophets and Apostles thou hast not been able to prove That any of them preach'd themselves free from sin so as to be without sin Thou didst speak of David confessing another state and brought Psal 107.1 All that is within me bless his holy name and from thence wouldst infer that David had no sin in him then for How could sin bless Gods name but David himself implyes the contrary for vers 3. he sayes Who forgiveth all thine iniquity it seems he had some then G.W. They were for given T.M. It is forgiveth in the present time can there be forgiveness of sin if there be no sin he signifies a dayly forgiving or to such purpose G.W. David saith Psal 119.1 There are some underfiled in the way who do no iniquity J.H. Doth David say There are some undefiled he sayes they are blessed that are so but that there are some so at least in such a sense as to have no sin in them he sayes not I am sure he sayes not so of himself That he had no sin in him but implyes the contrary in vers 5 6. when he sayes O that my wayes were so directed that I might keep thy statutes as implying they were not yet so And again Then shall I not be ashamed when I shall have respect to all thy Commandements he doth not say He had then such respect to them all G.W. Doth not David say there are some undefiled when he sayes blessed are the undefiled in the way and doth not every sin defile therefore he Witnesled some had a sinless state or to that purpose J.H. He sayes undefiled in the way Christ is the way We grant some undefiled and compleat in Christ but not so as to be sinless in themselves Is not undefiled perfect G.W. Yea undefiled is perfect J. H. A man may be perfect in a Scripture sense and yet have sin Asa's heart was perfect with the Lord all his dayes and yet he sinned G.W. When was that written of him J.H. Surely after his death how else should they say what he was all his dayes G.W. Nay it might be written before and so all his dayes till that was written his heart was perfect for afterward he relyed not on the Lord but sought to the Physicians his heart was not perfect then J.H. How could the Hystory of his life and death be written but after his death It is not said all those dayes or till such a time but his heart was perfect all his dayes a part of his dayes is n●t all his dayes his heart was perfect in that he walked not between God and Baal or an● fa●se-wo●ship G.W. He might be perfect all his dayes till then that was written but if the righteous man turn 〈◊〉 his right●o●sness and co●mit miquity his righteousness shall not be mentioned J.H. H●● heart was perfect all his dayes his righteousness is mentioned It is not said 〈◊〉 turned 〈◊〉 being perfect-hearted G.W. He was but one J.H. I● one that had sin in him or sinned might be yet called perfect-hearted then why not tw● o● twenty or an hundred He would sain have been reading in J. H's book but he told him it was besides the b●siness Wh●●● w● were busie in our discourse came Giles Rose a poor deluded man that was one of the ●●st ●hat turned Q●aker in the Town of Lin but upon some account or other doth not throughly ●w● th●m but is est●ded at them and as it hath been said objected sometimes against them some 〈…〉 ●ges between some of their speakers and a woman of them He had made an inter●●p●●on two dayes before of another dispute between G.VV. and another Mi●ster in the Town The people hea●ing him begin at a distance like a kin●e of distracted man to call out and seeing him coming made some commotion some of them crying to have him carryed away that he might not ●ake any dist●●ce o● interruption of the Dispute but that he ●ight proceed and others ●●ging him in and setting him in the midst of us who began first to one party and then to 〈◊〉 to play the part of a Prophet in his conception against us for disp●ting and variance● 〈◊〉 for ●oos●ning the ●●e of love taxing G. VV. and his party for drawing away Wives from them 〈…〉 Children from their Parents Servants from their Masters c. To whome GEORGE spake a word or two ●ebuking his way as deceit T.M. See the 〈…〉 thy ministry George the people laught thy Principles are sur● to lead 〈◊〉 to dest●actions G.W. He is none of ●●e fruit of my Ministry I. A. Your Principles or Ministry led a Brother of mine I am sure into destraction I H. Yes I am a witnesse of that so he fell to my knowledge out of Quaking fits within a very little space into destraction and within a fortnight died G. W. It was before I came to this Towne I. H. But not before yonr Principles and Doctrine came after some time of interruption by the aforesaid Giles when a little quiet was obtained I. H. fell on againe I. H. I have made good my charge against you George as not coming as the true Apostles and Prophets use to do I shall a little speak to the other part in one argument because I see time goes a way 'T is this they that under-mine and destroy the hope of the Gospel preached by the Apostles they are preachers of another Gospel or Doctrine then the Apostles preached and are to be accounted accursed and not received or followed This I charge you Quakers with and you G. W. by name in that you say the coming of Christ at which the dead in Christ are to be raised is already past and over They that so do subvert the hope of the Gospel Mind it people They that say the coming of Christ wherin the dead in Christ are to be raised is past and over they subvert or under-mine the hope of the Gosple for if Christ be come in his glory and the Saints raised that were dead and the living changed and all together caught up in the aire to meete the Lord what

〈◊〉 and tamper● with them 〈◊〉 they became an 〈…〉 too and should be given up of God to beleive delusions to their own destruction And so desired them to withdraw and they begining to depart he also being 〈◊〉 and much spent withdrew and the whole company dispersed to their several wayes seeming generall well satisfied against the Quakers 〈◊〉 the no small trouble of the Quakers as might be conceived from their coming diverse of them in the Lords day after with G. W. to the Congregation to have made some disturbance upon the people or to indeavoure to have been drawing a way some of them But God mercifully prevented them of their purpose Only they sat and heard diverse of their corrupt 〈◊〉 further disproved from that in 1. Sam. 2.2 There is 〈◊〉 holy as the Lord. And amongst other things I. H. to 〈◊〉 ●easion in speaking to the holinesse of Gods Name to shew G. W. grosse Jesuitical glosse upon Psal 103 1● 〈◊〉 there was no sin in David because then all within him could not 〈◊〉 God Shewing that not only David 〈◊〉 of or owned that he had sin for God to forgive but also that the words in the Hebrew and La●ne signifies only all my inwards or inward parts of which sin can be none though it bee in a man yet it s none of the inwards of a man no part of the man But with such 〈◊〉 deceitfull inference and arguments they delude simple people that fall down and worship them as holy men and Prophets and either 〈◊〉 not able or not willing to examine and try what is said by them and indeed that is one thing that 〈…〉 them such as men ought to reware of as very dangerous persons to 〈◊〉 that they are so 〈…〉 with what sophestry and deceit they abuse the over credu●u● people so they may but 〈◊〉 them and draw them after them All people avoid and take 〈◊〉 of them Beware of false Prophur that 〈…〉 clothing but inwardly are ●avenous Wo●ves By such like frates as corrupting 〈◊〉 from the faith of hope in Christ and their deceitfull wayes yee may know them POSTSCRIPT OUr Lord Jesus teaching his Disciples to pray to God as their Father and in the first place to breath and desire the hallowing 〈…〉 sying of Gods Name the coming of his Kingd●m and that this will might be done in earth as it is in heave● yet ●hing them 〈…〉 for ●giveness of their ●espasses doth he not strong●y and plainly i●ply that 〈…〉 are the hildren of G● and so born of God and th●● have their hearts through his grace set 〈…〉 the curing of his Kingdom and the d●ing of his w●ll have sins and 〈…〉 against 〈…〉 for give ●●s If it be replyed Yea while ●ule children and but desiving th●e things they 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 G. W. says the little children to whom John writes that they should not sin might 〈…〉 they in wh● 〈…〉 is name is hallowed the kin me come and the will done in 〈…〉 in heaven they have 〈…〉 Then I to that say 1. Are 〈◊〉 the little ●hildren that know the Father and call God Father th● 〈◊〉 Christs teaching born of God and thea● wh●s●ever is born of God is 〈…〉 as n●t 〈…〉 or in any thing to ●ssend how c●me the 〈…〉 children to be excepted and if they though 〈…〉 have sins and desp●sses to pray 〈…〉 in Scriptive have we 〈…〉 that others 〈◊〉 God and so any of them may not in 〈◊〉 sense too have 〈◊〉 and 〈…〉 I● we 〈…〉 that any are so perfectly born 〈…〉 to have his Name so hall reed to and in them 〈◊〉 me to come and will 〈◊〉 ●e as they may be no ●e 〈◊〉 more perfectly 〈◊〉 Or is it 〈…〉 teaches that to pray till his Nan● 〈◊〉 everywhere hallowed his kingdom 〈…〉 and will perfectly done every where even in 〈◊〉 as in heaven which is not in this w●ld But 〈…〉 for daily bread or as the w●d may be end●ed 〈◊〉 necessary for bread 〈…〉 of them and that before 〈…〉 of their 〈◊〉 Doth he 〈…〉 men have need of bread for their life and subsistence here they have a● need to pray for 〈…〉 if then the Quakers so called wi● s●y they have 〈◊〉 sin in them ●et them 〈…〉 and we may then it may be think there is ground to beleeve them that ●he name of God 〈…〉 so come and his will so done in them that they have 〈…〉 passes Note VVh● is 〈◊〉 of God 〈◊〉 c. 1. VVhosoever is perfectly born of God as the spirits if just men made perfect that is de cased they cannot si● nor the men when their spirits and bodies shall 〈◊〉 rea●●te● in the re●ion but none are so 〈◊〉 born of God here 2. So far as ary man is born of God he sins not or commits not sin 〈◊〉 can 2. VVh●ever believeth with his heart that Jesus is the Christ doth not nor can together with the exercise of that saith walk in 〈…〉 way of sin and so willingly do iniquity and sin nor shall miss of his end Note VVhereas G. W. with s●me of his party coming on the Lords ●y into the Congregation after Sermon offered to speak to which he was permitted●y I.H. as conceiving he might have somthing to say in defence of himself which the said J. H. was willing to have answered him in had it been s● but G. W. was 〈◊〉 suffered by some that had power in that place And whereas the said I. H. since 〈◊〉 informed that G. W. said to the pe● that he the said George had nothing to say to the said J. H. but only a VVord from the Lord to the people 〈◊〉 some of his party rail and revise at the people for not suffering him to speak it or 〈◊〉 hearing of it casting that as a reproach upon the Ministry J.H. doth declare that he judges it well done of those 〈…〉 to suffer the said G. W. to utter his pretended word from the Lord that 〈…〉 as well 〈…〉 the people● 〈…〉 hear it not should J. H. willingly have permitted him to speak to the people any 〈…〉 VV●rd unless he had first acknowledged that he had been formerly and hitherto in a deceit and 〈…〉 of it For 〈◊〉 been but two days before proved a Deceiver and such a one as people 〈…〉 had he been permitted to speak in such a way of Doctrine to the people he might well have said that we went contrary to our principles in suffering him to speak and the people to hear him wh●m so little a time 〈…〉 had charged to be such a one as ought not to be heard and should people beleeve that God will send any VVord by 〈◊〉 a man 〈…〉 a Deceiver and they should count accursed unless to convince him of and so to 〈◊〉 him a knowledg the evil of his former way being thereof convinced we shall do evil therefore if hereafter we any of us per●t him to speak and much more if we hear and listen to him or any of them in such way of Doctrine Be still all people and wait upon God mind his Gospel and believe and ●bey it 〈…〉 be saved but as for this people the Quakers unless they see and turn from their evil w●y Gods hand will be against them though they he proud at Moab their lies shall not be so they shall not prosper their 〈…〉 rottenness and shall be dryed up and perish their corruption and folly is seen and made manifest in good 〈◊〉 and shall be more 〈…〉 season● For the King Christ shall rejoyce and God and every one that 〈…〉 confesseth him shall 〈◊〉 but 〈◊〉 mouth of them that speak lies shall be stopped Psal 63.10 every word of God is pu●e and shall be performed 〈◊〉 its season Let them alone neither abuse them with incivilities nor listen to their corrupt sayings 〈…〉 blinde leaders of the blinde and both they that lead and they that are led by them shall fall into the dit●h Mar. 15.14 Depart I pray you from the tents or societies of these wicked men and touch nothing of theirs 〈◊〉 nothing to do with their sayings and witnessings least ye be consumed in all their sins Numb 14.16 FINIS