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A79438 A theological dialogue: containing the defence and justification of Dr. John Owen from the forty two errors charged upon him by Mr. Richard Baxter in a certain manuscript about communion in lyturgical worship. Chauncy, Isaac, 1632-1712. 1684 (1684) Wing C3757aA; ESTC R230946 46,146 50

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mark the proof for there is praying that is cursing c. therefore Praises and Prayers absolutely considered are no part of Worship at all I suppose your meaning is That Prayers are either such as are Religious Worship or such as are not as a Request or Petition to Man and Praises or Encomiums of Men and so in respect of this remote Genus they are no Worship at all but by your favour it follows not for though some are not Religious Worship yet others are and all are Worship of one kind or another either Religious or Civil Again It 's plain enough that we speak of Religious Worship in genere and then will you say that Religious Prayers and Praises absolutely considered are no part of Worship at all neither natural nor Instituted If so your proof will be this for there is praying which is no Religious Praying viz. Cursing c. And so we see how in your Arguments you go about to delude and confound mens understandings with little School-Sophisms that becomes not the solidity of a Grave Writer as leaping from one genus to another fallacia generis putting a remote genus for a next and a next for a remote and by your leave you are out in your Divinity too for is not an Imprecation a Prayer to some God and therefore Worship and Praying to Idols Religious Worship will you say These are no Worship at all You might have left out striving against God and Goodness that is a general Character of Sin and obstinate Sinners but I cann't see how it comes in under the Genus of Prayer you might as well put in fighting a Battel or running a Race or wearing Cloaths or killing a man and a hundred such heterogeneous things and called them praying But when men out of prejudice to any truth run into absurdities God leaves them to leave their own Reason and Understanding R. B. But I suppose you mean de specie praying to God for good things needful J. O. You love to play with Genus and Species such Prayer is Species in respect of Prayer for the Genus but it 's a Sub-alternum Genus in respect of the Species under it such as Natural or Instituted Prayers R. B. And it is another mistake That this Prayer is not of Christs Institution because it is a part of Natural Worship All is of Christs Institution which is a part of his commanding Law The Law of Nature is now Christs Law Error XVII J. O. And was it not alwayes as much as now As all things were made by him and as he lightneth every man that comes into the world by the Law of Nature which Law was never abolished as to its use in the world for Christs Ends but meerly as such it was ever since the fall a weak and imperfect Law as to the Salvation of the world Rom. 8.3 It was weak through the flesh and life could not come by it Gal. 2.31 Likewise at first by reason of the darkness that came in by sin there wanted a further and more express manifestation of it which was by Revelation and in that respect was a revealed Law at Mount Sinai but thereby became a more killing Letter Two sorts of people thereupon were in the world those that lay meerly under the light of Nature and they that had the written Law Rom. 2.12 Now miserable had the condition of the world been if Christ had not manifested himself in another way then meerly by the Law of Nature He reveals himself as the M●diator of the New Covenant the Seed of the Woman the great High Priest and Sacrifice yea a Redeemer of them that were under the Law and in the Glory and Power of this Undertaking he appears King of Saints first he reveals a Worship made up mostly of Types and Figures for the strengthning of the Faith of his People in the Promises of his appearing in the flesh when the fullness of time was come wherein also he fits and adapts the Law of Nature to his honour and the use of his people in subserviency to the promise and this was the first Model of Instituted Worship that Christ set up in the World and now is become Head of all things to his Church But his peculiar Regiment was exercised there in his Mediatory Office Afterwards when he had appeared in the flesh finished his Ministry and was offered up the old model of Worship the Law of Commandments contained in Ordinances was abolished and a new Model of Instituted Worship set up for Conversion of Sinners and Edification of his Church to continue to the End of the World and these two Models Divine have thought good to call Instituted and Revealed Worship as distinct from Natural Now if you can find out a better term of Distinction pray do but the thing must be the same Now let the world judge whether this be not perverse disputing to endeavour to render such a known and approved Distinction absurd and ridiculous Moreover see more of this Spirit you charge it for a mistake in saying This Prayer is not of Christs Institution Is it said this Prayer We say Prayer in general is not Instituted Worship but Natural but this or that Prayer is of Christs Institution which is appointed to be used by the Church or his people the Prayer to be prayed by the Church when the Ark and Camp moved and that when it rested was Instituted by Christ Prayer upon particular occasions in the Gospel-Church are appointed as at the blessing and Consecration of the Elements in the Supper though not prescribed and limited as some men would have them but where Christ hath prescribed and limited we chearfully obey him R. B. It is another mistake That Christs Institution respecteth only the internal form and manner of performance the interal form is the inward desire offered mentally to God and is not this natural if Prayer be Sure the form is the thing J. O. It is so or should be so if men were able to do it since the Fall but the power of Nature was lost and was supplied by Grace take it as you will we allow it but you speak of one thing and we of another you speak of of the internal qualification of the Worshipper the Performer of the Institution we speak of the internal form of the Institution which is the perfection and rectitude thereof wholly according to God's mind and will as to the several particulars that it doth concern The form is not the thing but the form and matter R. B. And that the manner of Performance is sinful which is not of Christ's institution J. O. These are not our words but that his Institution respects the manner of our performance and that is the external due manner and the internal the internal is the due Gospel manner of offering our desires mentally to God which is not natural but revealed to pray in the Spirit with Faith in and through Christ Heathens may offer up