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A88837 The lip of truth opened, against a dawber with untempered morter. A few words against a book, written by Magnus Bine priest, in the county of Sussex, which he calls, The scornful quakers answered, &c. But he himself is found the scorner, and the lyer, charging me with things I never spoke, nor never entered into my heart to speak. / Tho. Lawson. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691. 1656 (1656) Wing L725; Thomason E889_9; ESTC R206504 49,355 60

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conscious of errors and sins I confess there was a time when Paul said I know that in my flesh dwels no good thing Rom. 7 18. but then he was a wretched man this was in his warfare but there was a time when flesh was crucified with the affections and lusts Gal 5 24. and he was crucified with Christ and Christ lived in him Gal 2 20. he was no wretched man then when the law rose up in him sin and flesh appeared and was strong and led him captive and he was a wretched man condemned by the righteous law written in the heart which shewed him sin and made him cry out who shall deliver Rom 7. now there was a time when he said he hath delivered Col 1.13 then no more who shall who shall but he hath he hath if thou had been of God thou would have seen thorough his several conditions he passed thorough he became dead to the Law Gal 2 19 so to sin for while man sins the Law is added and though there was a time when he cried out of sin and death Rom 7. yet there was a time when sin and death he was freed from Rom 8.2 and he was more than a conquer or and death was abolished 2 Tim 1 10 even that death which before he complained of then who shall lay any thing to the charge of Gods elect death being abolished it is God that justifieth who is he that condemneth Rom. 8.33 34. now thou art charging such with errors and sins and Job was a just and a perfect man and he abhorred self and covetous practises which thou lives in Job 1 1. Job 42.5 6. and David overcome with a temptation he cried for a new heart a clean heart Psal 51.10 he found no peace till a clean heart was restored to him and did not plead for the old heart nor the works thereof as thou dost Again thou sayes Pauls trembling brought such a peircing sight with it that ever afterwards he saw a body of corruption a fleshly part in him sighting and carrying him forth many times to the law of sin Page 69. I answer That of God in all consciences shall witness against thee as it rises that all thy pleading is for deceit sometime for mastership which Christ forbad for tyth which he put an end unto sometime for unnecessary clothing and much for sin and Sow-like thou would have filth and mire to wallow in and thy speech of Pauls is a lie who saith ever after his trembling he saw a body of corruption c. his words is a witness against thee so would make people believe he sowed to the flesh for such reap corruption but he sowed to the spirit and reaped life Gal. 2.10 Christ the life lived in him and Paul witnessed a freeing from death and corruption and death was abolished Ro. 8.2 2 Tim. 1 10. and flesh was crucified and in that thou saies still fighting that 's a lie he came to be more than a Conquerour Rom. 8 in Christ who abolished death thus with evil thoughts thou art judging the Apostle and looking upon him to be as one of thy Saints as thou calls them who live in rage violence and imaginations which are heathen Thou saies Away with fleshly bodily litteral Trembling and quivering terming it to be Belshazzars trembling or a fit of Mahomet when the falling evil fell upon him c. page 70. Or like a man possessed with the Devil I answer Oh that ever people should be so bewitched as to follow thee and such like who gets thy living with trading with the words of the holy men of God which were spoken forth freely and blasphemes and reviles that which they witnessed what if thou had seen David roaring his flesh trembling Psal 119.120 or Ieremiah all his bones shaking he like a drunken man Ier. 23.9 and Iob trembling all his bones shaking Iob 4 14. Habbakkuk trembling and his lips quivering Hab. 3.17 What if thou had seen these would thou have told them or the Nations to make them odious in the eyes thereof that their trembling was like a fit of Mahomet when the falling evil fell upon him or that they were like men possessed with Devils I know thou art seared and past feeling you that are his hearers take heed how you hold up such a one who as a bruit beast speaks evil of the thing he knows not and when thou hast filled up the measure of thine iniquity the Lord will cut the off who speaks evill of his power and them that are witnesses of it Thou bids me prove that the Priests were to maintain the Fatherless Widdows and Strangers page 73. I answer Thou may read that out of the Tyth such were to be maintained Deut. 14.28 29. and that by Commandment from the Lord they had as much property to their share in Tyth as the Levite and your selfishness herein appears in crying up your own property in and to Tyth but as for the fatherless widdow and strangers their property to Tyth I never heard Priest plead for and their property was as absolute to Tyth as the Levites as the Scripture declares so that if from the Commandment under the Law you could prove Tyth your property then were it also the property of the fatherless widdow and strangers then may it be truly said of you there is not a Tything Priest in England that pleads the cause of the fatherless widdow and strangers The first Priesthood took Tyth by a Law Heb. 7. and by a Commandment but the Law is changed and the Commandement dissanulled by Christ Jesus and that he confirmed it by a Law to his Ministry he sent forth this remains for you to prove but thou bids me prove that the Priests was to maintain the fatherless c. thou sot was not Israel a Kingdom of Priests as Gods Covenant they kept Exod. 19.6 and Shelemiah the Priest and others distributed to the brethren Nehe. 13.13 the Scripture mentions a teaching Priest and the several Tythings according to the Scriptures in their places I own Thou saies I that deny Tyth to be the Ministers due am a Robber of God Prov. 3.9 Mall 3.8 I answer thou runs far to plead for the wages of unrighteousness in the time of the Law Tyth was an Ordinance so who denied to pay it robbed God but Christ is come and hath put an end to the Law Priesthood Commandment and the hand-writing of Ordinances he blotted out Heb. 7.12 18. Col. 2.14 and the Ordinance for the Priesthood and for the Tyth was in the hand-writing written with the hand he blotted out and that he ordained Tyth again to the twelve seventy or Apostles this prove else it s not your due but thou tells me I am guilty of Ananias his sin in speaking against your Tyth I answer Ananias his not giving Tyth to the hireling Priest was not his sin nor his not giving Tyth to the Apostles but his lying Acts 5.1 2 3 4 5. for said
that in thy conscience which in the flesh thou makes merry over and hast sent a gift as I may say a lying Book to the Nations the earthly kinred to increase their mirth over that which bears witness their deeds and thy deeds be evil yet it shall witness us to be of God so the witness of men we receive but lo the witness of God is greater Friend read soberly what is it hath broken thy Covenant and fellowship with the Ranters it hath been but broken of late see if they be denied for conscience sake or for thy two Parish Tyth sake for men are making a reformation in the earth and casting out the scandalous I know thou art crafty and shifty and thy crying against the truth it makes room in the hearts of Sions enemies to receive thee and let thee in so thou pushing with thy horn against them who cry for equity and wait to see righteousness and justice run down the streets in so doing through thy policy craft and guile thou may think to prosper and magnifie thy self in the earth the candle is lighted and set upon a golden Candlestick if that in thy conscience let the see I speak the truth let not thy will which leads thee into covetous practices call me a false SEER but stay thou wilt say for Conscience sake thou breaks off from and witnesses against the Ranters well I say I am glad that thou denies them and thy carding dicing hunting vain pleasures and idle jesting which feeds the old man and if thou obey that which witnesses against these evil things it will lead the out of all selfishness some rubbish and not let thee tast of the dreggs of the old Bottle and come out of thy covetous practices which thou confesses thou lives in thy two Parish Tyth thy hearts great Idol and we cannot but own thee in that which divides thee and thy Idols assunder that in thy conscience this shall own though flesh be angry and OLD CAIN would murder and be wroth Thou tells the Reader that I scoff at the sufferings and dying of Christ in the flesh Answ My Conscience bears me witnesse in the sight of God that thou speaks falsly of me for the just one was betrayed and crucified Matt. 27.35 And in that he dyed he dyed unto sin once and in that he lives he lives unto God Rom. 6.10 This witness bear we Thou tells the Reader that a companion of mine told thee he was Christ and that I yielded to it by silence Answ This is a lie he uttered no such word Thou tells the Reader there is variety of waies to Sion I answer that is false the way is but one 1 Kings 8.36 saith Solomon saith Isaiah Isa 30.21 Saith Jeremiah Jer. 6.16 32 39. One way saith Jeremiah and saith Christ I am the way John 14.6 who was before Abraham before the world was even of old and all the Patriaths Prophets Apostles and all the holy men of God who have walked and do walk in the good old way all these received and receive grace from Christ who is the way John 14 6. Now thou that lives in folly selfishness and covetous practices thou art out of the one way the unclean walk not in it Isa 35.8 So art the Backslider in heart fi●led with thy own waies Prov. 14.14 folly selfishness and covetous practices here is the many waies here is thy variety these lead from Sion into the Chambers of death now Peter a Minister by the will of God he spoke of some that were in thy practices covetous practices 2 Pet. 2.14.15 and he said they had forsaken the right way Thou tells me that the light within me tells me that I call thee Priest in pride and scorn page 15. I answer this is not true neither in pride nor in scorn do I call the Priest but I call the Priest for that thou takes Tyth the wage of the first Priesthood yet thou denies to do his work and Christ who is a Priest for ever who put an end to the Priesthood to the work he also put an end to the wage that he confirmed it to any other prove it if thou canst Thou saies I scoff at thy saying Christ is the first principle of pure Religion and asks me if I will be religious without the Son of God and asks if we must go to Sinai to make us religious was not Paul there and was a persecutor c. page 16.17 I answer Scoffing I deny it is thy own and O shameless man did not I write unto thee and hast not thou printed it that who is come to the Son is in the pure Religion and yet thou asks me if I will be religious without the Son yet know this that while Paul persecuted c. though he had the letter without yet he was without the law Rom. 7.9 Now Christ is the true light who lighteth every one John 1.9 This light is the law written in the heart for saith Solomon the Law is light Prov. 6.23 which light cometh from Christ who lighteth every one now who love the light the Law written in the heart is come to the first principle which shews evill and corruption it condemns for every transgression there the pure religion in measure is witnessed now when the seed which is Christ is come trangression is finished the Body dead because of sin Rom. 8.10 If this thou could receive thou would not stumble at what I said or do now say but would know the Law which is the Scoolmaster to bring to Christ Coll. 3 24. and Christ lighteth every one and the Law is light so thou that asks if we must go to Sinai to make us religious makes it appear thou knows not the Law written in the heart which condemnes and is added because of transgression till the seed come who finishes transgression where condemnation is not if at this thou stumble it is that the Scripture may be fulfilled Christ the seed a stumbling stone but come let us try thy religion Iames tells us what the pure religion is even to be kept unspotted from the world Iames 1.27 Now folly is a spot of the world selfishness a s●ot covetous practices are spots of the world so out of thy own mouth thou art found out of the pure religion Thou saies the Scriptures are the sure word of God page 17. I answer the Scriptures are a witness against thee saying God is the Word Iohn 1.1 and Christ his name is called the word of God Rev. 19.13 This word is quick and powerful and if ever thou comes to know it and to be in it thou will be freed of thy covetous practices now of this word the Scriptures is a true declaration Luke 1.1 Iohn 5.39 1 Iohn 1.3 Thou saies the end of the Scriptures is to turn People to Christ page 17. Answ The Scriptures cannot turn any to Christ but they testifie of that which turn men to Christ Christ said no man can
Scriptures cries against Thou speaks as if none come to be as they ought to be but thou being in covetous practises judges with evil thoughts he that abides in Christ sins not 1 John 3.6 but this thou cannot believe but wrests it though to thy own destruction if thou should own that which leads out of sin it would divide thee from thy two parish tyth which thorough covetousness and feigned words thou hast got and for sin Satans image thou stands up hast thou not read in the Law that Israel was not to wear a garment of divers sorts as of linnen and wollen together Deut. 22.11 thou art professing Christ the end of the Law but when the Law comes thou shall be reproved for the garment thou wears and pleads for who would have new cloth put into an old garment which must not be being an Aethiopi● an thou pleads for thy black skin which thou would not have plucked off so in this I leave thee who hast the cheif feat in the Assembly a mark to know a Pharisee by Matth. 23.6 Again in as much as it is said every sin that is committed is without the body 1 Cor. 6.10 thou saith by body in that place is meant the outward fabrick of every man in particular I answer Then if the hands be clean then it makes no matter of the heart if the outside of the cup and platter be made clean it matters not how full of filth it be within if onely that be sin which is committed without the outward fabrick of mans body as thou cals it then he that hates his brother is not a murderer or else hatred is not a sin 1 John 3.15 this hatred is within the fabrick as thou cals it so thou art yet to learn what sin is and thou art so far from seeing transgression blotted out as that thou knows not what and where it is and the Lord by his Prophets cried against such as set up Idols in their hearts was this a thing sinful yea or nay though within the fabrick of mans body as thou cals it So in this thing I leave thee giving thee Reader intelligence of an other mark of a Pharisee which thou bears that is to say thou loves greeting in the Markets Matth 23.7 and in other places and reproaches such as deny your heathenish words and compares them to Horses and Mules who abide in the doctrine of Christ Luke 10 4. yet this is not against the salvation of the Saints which we own Again thou sayes I make a rent from Christ and a rent from his members crying out of one member he is a Baptist of another he is a Presbiter of another he is a Priest so I own not every member in its place and look not upon that baptism which is one in all the Sons of God Page 45. Answ Christ hath no such members as thee thou that lives in covetous practises in folly and selfishness as thou confesses thou art a member of the Harlot which is out of the truth which is flesh and so thou brings forth fruits of the flesh according to the nature of that thou art joyned to and from Christ and his members thou art divided by following self which leads into covetous practises and before thou was crying up such to be Saints as live in rage and violence now thou art crying up such to be members of Christ who what one sets up another seeks to throw down and are ready to devour one another about their opinions and though in words thou deny the Ranters yet thou art giving about thee their dregs to make people drunk and every member in its place I own a sitting together in heavenly places in Christ I own Ephes 2.6 the lowest place here keeps out of pollutions and limmits that which leads into division and strife ye are the body of Christ and members in particular 1 Cor. 12 27. said Paul to the Saints in the body is no Schism 1 Cor. 12.25 but this is it thou aims at that though thou bring forth fruits of the flesh which is the Harlot yet thou would have people believe thou art a member of Christ and pleads against his doctrine and the baptism by one spirit into one body we own 1 Cor. 12 13. but in this one spirit the one heart one mind and one soul is witnessed Acts 4.32 Ephes 4.3 in the spirit is no jar strife nor division thy ignorance of the one baptism appears to all that be in the light Thou sayes In the Lord every member is compleat but look upon the member it self there we find it liable to all manner of infirmities yea to fin too Page 46. I answer Who is in the Lord Old things are done away all things become new 2 Cor. 5 17. Such are his members who in him abide and such sin not as saith the Scripture 1 J●hn 3.6 and such grow up to the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ Ephes 4.13 and self is denied and such as are in self are members of the Harlot such live in pride in covetousness which is thy practise such live in sin and plead for it such are members of the evil one who brings forth sin in them as saith the Scriptures he that committeth sin is of the devil 1 John 3.8 so read whose member thou art and how blind art thou to tell of a member it self or a member in self when as such as are members of Christ self is denied Christ and self are the two Masters which no man can serve but thou would do it and would be members of them both in that thou tels of the fruits of the Spirit yet sin must be committed what each one lives in a member of that he is and fruits accordingly are brought forth the wise cannot but see thee Thou sayes thou owns the Lamb in all the Sons of God even in those who cannot own the Lamb in thee Page 50. I answer Thy owning the Sons of God now appears who art pushing with thy horn against them and publishes lies against them to the Nations laying to their charge things they never spoke as Davids enemies did who dragon like would devour them in whom the just birth is brought forth what Lamb is it thou owns who pleads for sin which Christ the Lamb comes to take away who pleads to be called Master which Christ the Lamb of God forbad thy covers cannot hide thee and the Sons of God are in unity without jar or strife are one with that in thy conscience which thou makes merry over and again art pouring out thy ranting stuffe Thou sayes We make Saviours one of another Page 50. I answer The Lord will plead with thee for thy lies who as a running stream pours forth the poyson of asps which is under thy lips our Saviour is but one Jesus a Prince of whom Moses in the Law and the Prophets did write Emanuel by interpretation God with us yet Saviours
Diana they were afraid of Diana's fall so they were malicious against the Apostles and thou confesses thou heard and hears a great cry against Tyth so art thou vexed and therefore thou acquaints the Nation that its Satans wile to ruine disharten and destroy the Ministry what is this but to provoke the deceived Nation to be zaelons for it if any judge ortherwise they may I know what I see and believe in Thou saies in thy self thou art broken thy glory is gone and thou art nothing but in Christ thou art whole page 56. I answer my soul hates all such juggling jumbling blending feigning fawning dissembling bewitching charming inchanting speeches as if one could be in self and in Christ both at once this is a judgement set up in the minds of most professors that though they be carnal earthy corrupt and unclean yet God looks upon them in Christ and so they are beautiful and comely as the Sun or the Moon this must be swept away with the rest of the refuge of lies God puts not on his white robes on the Devils black raggs who is in self and bring forth fruits of the flesh God sees them there and looks upon them to be there God accepts of none in his Son who are out of the Son so in self none are accepted in the Son but who abide in him and such sin not 1 Iohn 3.6 from such old things pass away 2. Cor. 5.17 but thy witchery thou poures out and saies thou art so and so in thy self and so and so in Christ when as these two Masters can no man serve nor be in he that is in Christ Self is denied he that is in Self Christ is denied thy Popish dreggs we savour so you that are hearers of this Magnus Bine and put into his mouth the saving of your Souls look after trust not vain man ask him these things Whether he be in Christ yea or nay if he say Yea then ask him how he can be in Christ who are found in the steps of them that Christ cried against and bearing the marks of false Prophets Pharisees and false Apostles as you may see if you try his practises by the Scriptures And if he say he is in Self then how he dare say he comes in the Name of Christ for such as are sent of Christ abides in the Doctrine of Christ and such as are in Self such runs un-sent for filthy lucre and so profits not the people at all Jer. 23.32 Thou saies I am completes in my form c. in my observations drawn sometime from the letter and sometime from my fancy in the mistery pag. 56. I Answer The letter is not the ground of my acting but the same they acted from who walked with God before the letter was given out and from which the letter was spoken forth and the kingdom of God comes not with observations so that way I look not for it but know it within as saith Christ Luke 17.21 and the Saints words I own in the same as spoke them forth they being a form of sound words so thou art seen to be neither in the form nor in the power who scoffs at the form of sound words or at me owning the form in its place but thou art telling of my fancy in the mysterie O thou unlearned one Christ the Mystery from thee is hid and sealed is any mans fancy in Christ the Mystery doth any mans fancy draw any thing from Christ Doth Christ feed any mans fancy with any thing but judgement Still thou would be reconciling and making an agreement betwixt light and darknesse fancy arises from that which must not enter the kingdom neither must it inherit if thou knew the flaming sword which thou guessest at thou would see that there is no growing up in nor drawing any thing from nor growing in fellowship with Christ the Mystery but as fancy and fancies ground is denied but we know the power of the Witnesses which shuts heaven that it rains not in the dayes of their Prophecy which turns waters into blood and smites the earth with plagues this is hid from thy eye Rev. 11.6 Thou saies Abraham c. paid Tyth before the Law Gen. 14. and surely they did it by a light within and this light was their Law pag. 57. I Answer Thus carnal minds argue 'T is true Christ put an end to the Figures under the Law but Tyth was before the Law before any Figures so not ended by Christ who put an end to the Figures that Tyth was paid before any Figures that I deny Abel offered Firstlings of the flock Gen. 4.4 and what this figured forth thou wilt know when thou knows him who is the first and the last who leads Joseph like a flock Noah built an Altar and offered the clean Gen. 8.20 Abraham built an Alter Gen. 12.8 Isaac built an Alter Gen 26.25 Jacob builded an Altar and called it El-clohe-Israel Gen. 33.20 and by commandment from the Lord Gen. 35 1. Now when Christ was come he put an end to all the Altars Sacrifices and Offerings as well before the law as under the law he being the Life End and Substance that all the outward pointed at now thou that saies whatever thou be that Tyth must be paid because it was paid before the law by the same Argument may one plead for building Alters and offering Sacrifices which was done before the law was received by Moses and Gen. 14.20 t is said Abraham gave him Tyth of all he saith not paid but gave now there is a difference betwixt a gift and a payment the one is free the other is a due debt either by loan or bargain And what if Abraham had given him all the spoyle is that any thing for the covetous Priest What Abraham did he did it freely what must a man give nothing but it must be confirmed by a law to the Priest the Jewish Priests required not Tyth from Abrahams free gift to Melchisedec but they had a command for it Heb. 7.5 It matters not what Abraham gave who saw the day of the Son but when the Son was come the Fathers gift he put an end to the first Priesthood the Law their Wage and all Figures as well before the law as under the law and that he confirmed it to the 12.70 or Apostle prove that or that ever they requited it Thou saies A Priest of Baal may got his Tyth without a Law but a Minister of the Gospel can get none without a Law pag. 58. I Answer That ever Minister of the Gospel took Tyth required Tyth or had Tyth confirmed to him as his wage that I deny and it thou can never prove and when Christ sent forth the 12 and the 70 he gave a statute to them both concerning them that received them and the world that received them not as for such as received them he gave a statute to eat and drink such things as were set before them they were
even the high Priest Jesus saith he Heb. 8.1 So that he sheweth that Christ the high priest is the sum substance life or end of the things he before told of and what be the things even Tyth in Abrahams dayes Levies dayes Law carnal Commandment c. Heb. 7. chap. and Heb 8.1 and this the truth in none can gainsay Thou saies The man that was with me at thy house said he was Christ pag. 61. I Answer I his is a lye he spoke no such words Thou saies I say I am Christ the Lord who am come to judge the world pag. 62. I Answer This is a lye and by thy lyes thou makes it manifest thou delights in thy fathers work I challenge thee to produce where ever I spoke or wrote such a word or any such like thing to give thee any just ground for this thy Report hatched out of thy wilful mind Thou saies I cry out against Cuffs Gaudiness Rings Hoods Vails and bids me cry against them where I see these things used without modesty pag. 62. I Answer Now thou art come to plead for the Back as I before said he who abode not in the truth his pleading is against the truth and what is wrought in them who abide in the truth Isaiah a Minister of the Spirit he testified against the proud Ones and their needlesse Ornaments which they used to satisfie their wanton minds their bravery c. their round Tires like the Moon their chains bracelets ear-rings rings changeable suits of apparel glasses fine linen hoods vails c. Isa 3. Paul witnessed against broidered hair and not to be adorned in gold pearls costly aray 1 Tim. 2.9 10. So likewise Peter 1. Pet. 3. In the same Spirit we witnesse against all the sought out fashions and inventions of the world which the curious proud fond mind runs a whoring after and all your unneedful attire which is to set up your selves above others and to feed the lust we witnesse against your Cuffs Gold-Rings Gold-Lace Silver-Lace Ribbons and all other unneedful things but the modest cloathing we own and he that was a true Minister he said Fashion not your selves according to the world nor according to the lusts in the time of ignorance 1 Pet. 1.14 Rom. 12.2 but who is more in the worlds fashions then the Priests many whereof waste as much in Ribbons and unnecessary things on one suit of Cloathing as would buy a modest Raiment thus is the Creation which was created to be used in moderation devoured on the lust and in the mean time many crying out of want and thou and they brethren plead for these vanities and devouring wayes and by your example preach them up Oh woful guides are ye now saith Paul be ye followers of me even as I am of Christ 1 Cor. 11.1 and Phil. 3.17 walk as you have us for an example saith Paul who testified against the worlds fashions now if your flocks must walk after the example of their blind leaders then the whole parish must go in their Cuffs Boot-hose-tops Rings costly aray and live in pride idlenesse and fulnesse of bread who then must maintain the Priest and his Family in their pride and idlenesse if that all should follow his example and live like Drones in idlenesse pride foolish and unneedful attire is of the Divel and when the truth in Sons or Daughters arises against these things to bear witnesse he tells people it is but modesty decency or according to their place or breeding thus he seeks to get his works justified and here art thou seeking to justifie what the lust devises gaudy unnecessary attire and saies it is malice or envie which speaks against your pride so sits judge with thy evil thoughts of the Spirit of truth which alwayes testified against the Divel and his works and calls it railing so thou art found out to be one that Solomon spoke of who art justifying the wicked and his inventions and condemning the just which witnesses against your pride and vanities so abomination to the Lord thou art Prov. 17.15 this stands and shall stand a witnesse against thee according to that in thy Conscience Thou sayes There is too much folly and selfishness in the best of you Page 64. I answer T is well that once thou hast spoken the truth in confessing thy folly and selfishness and thy selfishness is highly seen in thy taking the tyth of two Parishes which thou hast been convinced of to be unrighteousness and in words hast declared it and me thou told when I was with thee that thou could not plead for tyth by Scripture but now with the rest of thy dark brethren a●t thou pleading for it and joyning with them thou knows to be the Caterpillars and the Locusts thus thou art getting the friendship of the world and gaping for that thou hast seen to be unrighteousness and thy folly selfishness and covetousness thou confesses Judas confessed who turned to the Priests that took tyth as thou dost and if thou forsake not thou comes no further than Judas which is confession so I leave thee in this thing giving the Reader another mark to know thee by which is self-love a lover of thy self thou art who rather than thou will deny the wages of unrighteousness denies the Lord of life all who take tyth deny Christ who put an end to it so are Antichrists so among the self-lovers thou art which Paul testified against 2 Tim 3 2. Again thou sayes When the Saints spoke how that the bloud of Christ had purged away all their unrighteousness and that they were as Christ in the present world thou sayes they never made use of any of these Scriptures to any other end then to set forth what they were in Gods account and favourable acceptation yet in their flesh they saw no good thing but were conscious of errors and sins page 64 65. and thou all edges Job David and Paul I answer What hast thou to do to meddle with the Saints or their conditions who lives in the abominations as pride folly selfishness and covetous practises as thou confesses such the Saints testified against even against such as thee and the Apostles suffered mockings scornings buffettings stoneings imprisonment yea and some of them death for bearing witness against that Priesthood that took tyth and were covetous and selfish as thou confesses thou art Oh that ever thou should be so seared and past feeling as to tell of Saints of thy self being a Minister of Christ who art in that generation by which the righteous evermore suffered and thou art falsly charging the Saints that they were not so purged nor so clean as they spoke of but for such and such ends they so spoke let all the wise in heart judge what thou knows of the Saints who in another place art calling such Saints as live in rage violence and imagination such David called Heathen Thou sayes The Saints in their flesh saw no good thing and were