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A20001 A summarie ansvvere to al the material points in any of Master Darel his bookes More especiallie to that one booke of his, intituled, the Doctrine of the possession and dispossession of demoniaks out of the word of God. By Iohn Deacon. Iohn Walker. Preachers. Deacon, John, 17th cent.; Walker, John, preacher. aut 1601 (1601) STC 6440; ESTC S109440 212,590 277

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almightie power of our conquering Iehouah Yea let vs tell our distrustfull soules there is little cause to be frighted herein they hauing such an etsbang elohim I meane so powerfull a finger of the almightie God as is sufficientlie able to knap in sunder the yron barres of Sathan and to beate backe the vttermost force of his buffeting blowes from all his beloued in Christ who hauing promised that his power alone shall be a sufficient protection for euery of them and purposed to make perfit the same by those their manifold weakenesses will haue them thus exercised a season for the further manifestation of his watchfull prouidence ouer them for their greater triumph in the day of their glorious coronation yea and for the sorer confusion of Sathan himselfe in the generall iudgement Philologus A worthie meditation no doubt and such as is able to support the feeblest soule on earth Orthodoxus Againe this doctrine of ours concerning the finall determination of Satan his power of actuall possession by the promised seed of the woman who hath actually brused his head it ministreth fitly vnto vs a verie fruitfull meditation of that vnspeakeable maiestie and power of Iesus Christ which respecteth especially his triumphant conquering or rather his actuall vanquishing subduing and spoyling of Satans tyrannicall dominion and power more especiallie his actuall afflicting tormenting and vexing of mens bodies and mindes as in former times For this our conquering Iesus hee hath encountred with Satan hand to hand he hath actuallie brused the Serpents head he hath brought vnder that proud Leuiathan he hath put an ouerruling hooke into the nosthrils of that outragious Behemoth he hath so put to flight the fierie fierce Dragon as he hath now no more place in heauen he hath led captiuitie captiue and euen actuallie cast foorth that prince which deceiueth the whole world with all his Angels Yea and which more is he hath not onely freed vs finallie from the burthen of legall Ceremonies from the extreame malediction and curse of the morall law from the strength of sinne and from the power and sting of Death but hath so effectuallie destroyed and so finally determined the said actuall dominion of the Diuell concerning our bodies by the verie death of his bodie as he hath euen vtterly spoyled Principalities and Powers themselues and made a shew of them openly and triumphed ouer them all in his crosse yea hee hath euen destroyed through death him that had power of death that is the Diuell and so diuided his spoyles as he shall neuer be able any more to recouer his former possession neither yet be of power any more actually to molest either our owne or the bodies of any appertaining vnto vs. So as if wee can from henceforth but heedfully and warely watch his intestine windings and turnings and bee correspondently furnished with the spirituall armour of God for the timely withstanding of that his power of spirituall obsession which wholie consisteth in those his spirituall assaultings suggestings and temptings wherewith he endeuours continually from time to time like a ramping and roring lion to deuoure vs afresh he will not only very cowardly flee from vs but which more is wee may also with boldnes and in all holy assurance insult vpon him and his proud vsurping power saying thus Death where is now thy power sinne where is now thy sting yea Satan where is now thy actuall dominion ouer our bodies Behold Satan we all see and know now in experience that the mightie Iehouah our God and most mercifull father hath finally freed vs from thy tyrannicall dominion and power of darknes and hath translated vs into the kingdome of his deare sonne our Lord and Sauiour in whom wee haue the redemption through his bloud And therefore Satan the ioyfull remembrance of this our happie deliuerance may make vs the more freelie to reioyce in those our former sufferings vnder thy actuall power because we haue therein fulfilled but the rest of the afflictions of Christ in our flesh Who suffering still in vs and with vs will at his owne appointed time triumph ouer thee also in euery of vs his members as he hath actually done in his owne proper person for hee is gloriously mounted vpon his white horse hauing a bow and crowne in his hand and is gone forth conquering that he might ouercome And thus in effect for those holie vses which respectiuely haue their speciall relation to God himselfe Lycanthropus Very well and what are those other vses I pray you which respect some other besides Orthodoxus The vses respecting some others are those which more especiallie respect the creatures themselues namely they are such as haue a more speciall relation to Satan or men Pneumatomachus A very plaine order of teaching and therefore I pray you proceed first to the vnfolding of those which haue a speciall relation to Satan Orthodoxus With very good will First therefore this Doctrine of ours so substantially deciphering foorth to the world the finall determination of Satan his actuall dominion and the glorious triumph of Christ concerning the same it doth very liuely demonstrate vnto vs at large the miserable estate and captiuated condition of that cursed catife the Diuell Who hauing hitherto very proudly tyrannized ouer the whole ofspring of Adam and euen actually tormented their bodies and minds at his pleasure so farre forth especially as concernes his commission from God was at the very first onset of Christ in such actuall encounter so fearefully frighted with his glorious presence and power as hee roared forth and cried fearefully saying Iesus thou sonne of the liuing God what haue I to do with thee art thou come hither to torment me before the time Yea and which more is the worke it selfe being once actually effected according to the predeterminate purpose and promise of God hee is now not onely very powerfully pulled downe a pegge lower by Christ himselfe who hauing actuallie brused his head did behold him like lightning fall downe from heauen that is he beheld him very suddenly very terriblie and vnrecouerablie tumbled downe from his tyrannicall dominion but also euen actually expelled from his actuall possession in man and so determinatelie driuen and exiled from al future hope of recouering the saine afresh as he walketh now through desarts and stonie drie places like a forlorne and comfortlesse catife seeking rest euery houre but findeth none nor is neuer in hope to finde any againe as in former times But is now reserued in chaines vnder darknes vnto the great and notable day waiting euery houre in trembling and feare when that mighty Angel who hath the key and a great chaine in his hand should gloriously descend from heauen should bind him hand and foote and tumble him headlong into that bottomlesse pit which from the beginning was prepared for him and his Angels And therefore now is
selfe same primarie dispossessions performed by Christ may seeme to import saying thus the like was neuer seene in Israell Exorcistes That is the like manner of curing not the like matter of essentiall possessing Orthodoxus If there had beene the like matter of essentiall possessing before the comming of Christ but not the like manner of curing the same then tell vs I pray you what manner of curing they had in those dayes I meane by what meanes they were cured before the comming of Christ. I hope you will not say they were cured by physicall meanes Neyther may you for shame auouch their cure to be wrought by that your supposed new ordinance of prayer and fasting because such an ordinance before the comming of Christ was neuer establisht and so much also you doe else where affirme your owne selfe If therefore the manner of curing your supposed possessions then was neyther by physicall meanes nor by praier and fasting it followeth necessarilie that their said cure it was then also effected by some supernaturall and miraculous meanes Now then if the cure of those your supposed possessions before the comming of Christ were euerie of them supernaturall strange and miraculous how can it be possiblie true which the Euangelist reporteth here saying thus the like was neuer seene in Israell sith the miraculous expelling of spirits and diuels had beene in euerie age of the world euen equallie admirable straunge and most meruellous Againe sith Christ is in deed that promised seed of the woman who in his owne proper person was actuallie to breake the Serpents head it is meruellous probable that the eternall father euen in his foreseeing wisdome had purposelie determined from before all eternities that the primarie and first actuall encountring with Satan his actuall possossion should be primarily and actuallie accomplished by Christ himselfe in his owne person first and that therefore this temporarie iudgement of Satan his actuall possession was neuer actuallie inflicted vpon anie before the comming of Christ. Besides that if there had beene possessions and dispossessions from the beginning of the world as your selfe doth else where auouch the same then no doubt being so fearefull a iudgement would haue beene eftsoones foretold and threatned the Iewes by some of the Prophets at least for an especiall part of the counsell of God as well as many other speciall iudgements of lesse moment by much and so euen those their propheticall predictions and denuntiations of that so fearefull a iudgement being so necessarie for the Church of God it would no doubt haue beene as carefullie registred for the succeeding ages to the end of the world as any other like iudgement of God whatsoeuer Moreouer if there had beene such a miraculous dispossessing of diuels any long time before the comming of Christ then surelie the same vndoubtedlie being such admirable matters of fact they would in some one booke or other throughout the old testament haue beene most carefullie recorded for all posterities sith many other miracles of lesse importance by much are so precisely put downe in euerie place namelie the miraculous deliuerance of Israell the straung wonders in Egypt in the red sea in the wildernes in mount Sinah and els where the wonders recorded in the bookes of Ioshuah Iudges Samuell of the Kings the Chronicles and other historicall bookes wherein all such admirable matters of fact are purposelie put downe and recorded All which precedent miraculous actions being in some of those bookes at the least so exactlie registred by the spirit of God it is not to be doubted but that the miraculous dispossessing of diuels if any such then would haue beene likewise most carefullie recorded as matters eyther actuallie or typicallie performed But no such authenticall record is any where extant in all the Canonicall scriptures and therefore it is verie probable there was then no such miraculous dispossessing of diuels before the comming of Christ. Exorcistes Howsoeuer such a miraculous manner of curing then be not actuallie recorded it is likelie the same was typicallie shadowed forth in the brazen Serpent Because that Serpent was a liuelie figure of Christ himselfe who was actuallie to cure the deadlie sting of that infernall Serpent the diuell Orthodoxus Be it so as you say Yet that brazen Serpent it onelie prefigured the effectuall curing of the serpentine sting of sinne and not the power of Christ his actuall expelling of diuels from out of the bodies of men vnlesse happily you imagine that as all the Elect were effectuallie wounded with the serpentine sting of sinne so were they also essentiallie possessed with diuels inherently dwelling within their bodies Besides that the brazen serpent was onlie a shadow of that whereof Christ was the bodie and therefore by that reason there could be onelie a bare shadow but no essentiall possessions or dispossessions before the comming of Christ. Furthermore if there had in deed bin essentiall possessions before the comming of Christ what then could Christ himselfe haue done more at his comming then manie others had effected before him Besides that if there had beene such miraculous dispossessions before then surelie though Christ at his comming had also for the declaration of his deitie dispossessed ten thousand Demoniakes moe then he did yet this one exception had bin verie forcible against him from time to time namelie that many others before him had performed as much in effect And therefore no reason that for such a miraculous dispossessing of diuels they should esteeme him to be rather the Messiah then any of the rest Moreouer if there had beene any such miraculous dispossessings before then had not that beene true which our Sauiour speakes of himselfe saying thus If I had not done works among them which none other man did they had not had sin but now haue they seene and hated not onely mee but also my father Brieflie if there had beene such dispossessions before the comming of Christ how then should our Sauiour himselfe by such his powerfull expelling of diuels haue beene so particularlie reputed for that sonne of Dauid who especiallie was to walke vpon the Lion and Adder and triumphantlie to tread the young Lion and Dragon vnder his feet Exorcistes Whatsoeuer you say I will neuer be perswaded but that there were dispossessions before the comming of Christ. Orthodoxus Well be it supposed there were such miraculous dispossessings in Israell before the comming of Christ yet is it to too absurde to auouch that those extraordinarie effects which apparantlie brake forth in former Demoniakes are purposelie recorded for infallible ordinarie meanes or signes to discerne soundlie and truelie of all the succeeding Demoniakes Both because wee are no where foretold by the Lord your selfe also els where auouching the contrarie that diuels should preciselie obserue but one and the selfesame methode or order in tormenting the parties possessed and for that also there was then no such vrgent necessitie of any such
is ioyntly recorded among the sonnes of God and therefore notwithstanding the ioynt recording of this one with those naturall diseases which are now to be cured by onely meere naturall meanes that supernaturall curing of the precedent and subsequent possessions whatsoeuer it was then and is now if anie such be euen equallie and proportionablie most admirable straunge and miraculous Moreouer if the pretended possession of diuels whatsoeuer must therefore be now deemed but a meere naturall maladie and only because it is ioyntlie recorded among those other diseases of men which are meerely naturall a thing to too absurde and senceles then surely besides that you do therein directly crosse your former speech where you make it a supernaturall maladie the curing of possessions now whatsoeuer must needes be as meerely naturall as the ordinarie curing of all other the naturall diseases recorded therewith And so by consequence your prayers and fastings they are now but meere naturall medicines no lesse naturally effectual for the ordinarie curing of people possessed with diuels then anie other physicall receits whatsoeuer for the ordinarie curing of meere naturall diseases which were meerelie absurde to imagine but most palpable grosse to auouch Otherwaies if the possession of diuels whatsoeuer be as your self doth els where affirme a supernaturall disease and the remedie also thereof namely praier and fasting a supernaturall remedie then surely the curing of such possessions whensoeuer and by whomsoeuer effected it also must needs be supernaturall straunge and miraculous for a like cause argueth a like effect And so by consequence the working of miracles must still be continued in the Churches of Christ an opinion directlie opposite to the approued iudgements of all men For all doe vniformely auouch and very confidently conclude in one that the working of miracles was only but a temporary priuiledge particularly bestowed on some and that also for those two former respects namely the declaration of Christs deitie and confirmation of his glorious Gospell as in our sixt ninth and tenth Dialogues hath beene shewed at large Exorcistes Howsoeuer principallie for those two former respectes there were in the dayes of Christ an essentiall possession of Diuels and other diseases yet were there some other cause or causes besides especiallie the outragious sinnes of people the which also our Sauiour Christ in curing the parties possessed doth eftsoones admonish them of as wee shewed before Howbeit the selfesame sinnes doe now remaine among men in these dayes of the Gospell and therefore also the selfesame essentiall possessions Orthodoxus That there were essentiall possessions eyther then or now we haue euer denied and your selfe shal neuer be able to proue the same before you haue fullie disproued the seuerall reasons put downe in our second third fourth and fift Dialogues concerning those speciall points Notwithstanding all this if by the way the same should be graunted which by sway of argument would neuer be gayned yet were there no sequele at all in your argument For besides that the same is your old accustomed suresbie a posse ad esse you doe reason absurdlie and fondlie in reasoning thus The like sinnes doe still remaine among men in these dayes of the Gospell therefore also the like essentiall possessions Surelie you shall neuer be able to make vs beleeue that this consequent is currant vnlesse you can soundlie perswade vs before hand that the vnmatchable God hath by some matchable couenant concluded couertlie with Exorcistes himselfe to make the execution of any his wonderfull iudgements inflicted on sinners euerie way proportionable and suteable to Exorcistes his phantasticall and itching conceit For wee haue shewed before that the Lord did not purposelie inflict that extraordinarie iudgement vpon men for their sinnes and your quoted Scriptures they proue no such matter as wee told you also before If notwithstanding all this you wil needs haue your sequele canonized currant then how answere you this The like sinnes do remaine among men now a dayes which were heretofore found in the dayes of Noah therefore there is now also the like ineuitable floud of water that then drowned the world Exorcistes That followeth not For the Lord God by a perpetuall couenant hath put a finall end to the like floud of water for euer and sealed that selfesame couenant with a perpetuall signe Orthodoxus Euen so hath our Sauiour Christ by a solemne perpetuall promise as it were put a finall end to the actuall possession of diuels and sealed vp that selfesame promise by a perpetuall signe I meane his death and resurrection as in our sixt and seauenth Dialogues appeareth But goe to then how answere you this The selfe same sins remaine at this day which were erst to be seene in Sodome and Gomorrah therefore also the selfesame iudgement of Brimstone and fire from heauen Or this there is one and the selfesame deriding of the Prophets and seruants of God which was in the dayes of Elisha therefore there is one and the selfesame deuouring with Beares Or this there is the selfesame prophanenes now which was erst in Samaria therfore the like feareful destruction by Lyons Or this There are as bribing companions now in these dayes as euer was Gehazi himselfe therefore there is now the like leprous vengeance on them that was erst on Gehazi himselfe Goe to now Exorcistes what say you to these and the like exceptions against that your precedent inuincible argument Exorcistes These were euery of them extraordinarie iudgements Orthodoxus And what one liuing man but your selfe alone was euer so impudent as once to auouch that the possession of diuels whatsoeuer is an ordinarie iudgement of God Exorcistes Well sir how extraordinarie iudgements soeuer the Lord God notwithstanding if it seemeth him good hee may euen now in these dayes of the Gospell inflict any one of them all vpon Sinners Orthodoxus Oh sir recall home your wits I beseech you I haue told you ofttimes before and must now tell you againe that the question is not what God may doe but what hee now doth in these dayes of the Gospell We verie confidently affirme that the Lord now in these dayes of the Gospell doth not afflict any person by an actuall possession of diuels because the two onlie ends of that wonderfull iudgement are long since determined your answere thereunto is euermore but one and the same namelie the Lord may doe it a sillie poore answere God knowes And thus in all your disputations when wee once come to the verie period or point of the question you are euen forciblie constrained to continue as before your circular motion from a bare may be to the being of things Exorcistes In deed sir if it were certainely true that men heretofore had bin only possest for those two former respects I would then without further contradiction ioyne fullie with you in this speciall point Howbeit very certaine it is that they were also possest for outragious