THE QUAKERS NO Deceivers Or the Management of an unjust Charge against them Confuted BEING A BRIEF RETURN to a Pamphlet Intituled The Quakers Proved Deceivers and such as the People ought not to listen to or follow but to account Accursed in the Management of a Charge given out against them to that effect By John Horne who calls Himself Preacher of the Gospel at South-Lin in Norfolke who is a chief Teacher among the People called Mooreans or Universalists Who hath given forth a pretended and imperfect Relation of a Discourse which was between him and George Whitehead in the Chancel of South-Lin wherin he hath falsely made his boast how that he made good his said Charge against G.W. before some Hundreds of people but many unprejudiced persons who heard the Discourse between them can witnesse against the said I.H. as a vain Boaster in his Pride of a Victory where he had it not And herein iâ— the said J. Hoâ—ne proved to be such a one as he hath falsely charged the Quakâ—rs proved to be and â—is false Doctrines touching several things of much Concernment Discovereâ— and his slanders and perverting the Truth reproved and the Truth of God cleared For the Information of the People called Universalists and other Professors and People See PSAL. 7.14 15. By one who is counted a Deceiver yet true George Whitehead LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert at the Black-Spread-Eagle near the West-end of Pauls 1660. â—Lessed are they that are not offended at the truth 〈…〉 â—bide in the love of it as it is made manifest 〈…〉 who live in the life and power of God 〈…〉 â—â—iâ—h fathomes over and comprehends the sub 〈…〉 Sâ—rpent which greatly appears these our dâ—yâ—◠〈…〉 the seed of God and the wisdoms and power of Gâ—â— bâ—ing manifest in a large measure in his Servants which gives them dominion in the life and innocency to reign over the haters of the truth and wisdom to discover all their subtilty and crafts this is their torment and vexation and the more they strive against the truth which we are in the more they are drowned in their confusion and overwhelmed in their darkness Therefore let us whom the Lord hath called into his work go on in the name and power of our God with boldness and confidence in him in this day of the Lambs battel for the Lord is with us and it is in his strength that we are made able to tread over our enemies and to trample over all their malignity and deceits which they appear in against the truth of our God which is dear unto us and after many contests and much opposition which we have passed thorow and met with from the deceivers of many sorts in this age who are of the Dragons Armie who like their Leader are wroth with the seed of the Woman which keeps the Commands of God I have of late time met with one Iohn Horn one of the same Army who hath shewed his rage and madness as much against the truth both in his Books and Papers as any that ever I met with and his torment being begun his rage and malice is the greater notwithstanding by many he is had in reputation and set up beyond the Priests of the Nation but hath foamed out his shame more then many of them The occasion of my last disputing with him on the 13 day of the 11th moneth 59 was his posting up many Papers publikely in Lin wherein he charged the Quakers to be Deceivers and such as the people ought not to hear or follow but to account accursed and said that he should be ready to make it good as and when thereto lawfully called Upon which I several times for the Truth sake sent to him to come forth in publike before I could get him so out for he would have had us met at his house or at a friends house of his which was not convenient for such a meeting as was to be but at length he proffered to meet me in the Chancel in the Steeple house end where we met and after I had heard him speak a pretty time against us and had some liberty to answer to some of the chief things he objected against us we had some discourse about several weighty things as freedom from sin â—nd the new-born state the redemption of the body and the coming of Christ and the cheif thing I. H. drove at was to make people beleeve That there is no man living upon earth that sinneth not or that could be perfectly freed from sin in this life and that the Prophâ—â—s and Apostles had sin in them so long as they lâ—ved and so he made War for his Fathers Kingdome which is upheld by sin as much as he could as the rest of the deceivers chiefly do and in the power of the Lord I speake in Vindication of the truth to clear it from his false aspersions and slanders as much as I might have liberty to for I. H. and some of his Company were very uncivil towards me in many of them clamâ—uring at once against me but the Lord appeared with me and his truth which then reached his witness in the Consciences of many and many heard me with soberness which as appears was a grief to my adversary and as is probable was some cause of his publishing an imperfect Relation of the dispute in Print to render me and the truth odious and in his pride to make people beleeve he had gotten the victory or maistery touching which his vain boasting and deceit is hereafter discovered and the Truth cleared And now from sufficient grounds and tryal I affirm and can through the strength of God make good these things against the said J. Horn and charge them against him as followeth c. 1. That he is out of the life and steps of the true Ministers and in the steps and practises of Deceivers and so is a Hypocrite and no Minister of Christ who being a Parish-priest is guilty of the Priests iniquity in many things whom he hath declared against 2. That he upholds a dead and formal Worship like the World whereunto people are not called by the Spirit of truth for it is not the true Worship so that he keeps people from the life of God his Ministry being both dead formal and corrupt 3. That his Ministry vvherein he contends for sin pleading that none can be perfectly free from it in this life is Antichristian and both against the commands promises and works of God and tends to the making both the preaching and praying of Christ and the Saints ineffectual 4. And that he the said I. H. like a cholerick envious man against the truth of God and his people is a forger of lies a false accâ—â—â—â— a slanderer and so is one of the Dragons Army who was wroth with the woman that brought forth the man childe and the remnant of her seed that kept the commands of God These 〈◊〉 last charges against him are hereafter
them J.H. again saith Or is it not evident that our Saviour teacheth thus to pray till his Name be perfectly every where hallowed his Kingdom fully come and his Will perfectly done every where even in earth as in heaven which is not in this world saith he I answer Why should Christ teach his to pray that his Will may be perfectly done every where even in earth as it is in heaven if it be not in this World so to be done What darkness is this J. H. in and confusion And how hath he herein appeared against the end for which the Disciples of Christ prayed as he taught them who prayed that the Fathers Will might be done in Earth as in Heaven which this Priest hath denied to be in this World but Christs Testimony contradicts him for Christ saith What things soever ye desire when ye pray believe that ye receive them and ye shall have them Mark 11.23 24. And they desired the Will of God to be done in Earth as in Heaven where there is no sin J. H. saith But by adding the Prayer for daylie Bread and that before Prayer for forgiveness of their Trespasses doth he not imply that so long as men have need of Bread for their life they have also need to pray for pardon of and keeping from sin if then the quakers so called will say they have no sin in them let them manifest it in living without Bread or food and we may then it may be think there is ground to believe them that the Name of God is so hallowed his Kingdom so come and his will so done in them that they have no sin nor trespasses Answ Here J. H. hath shewed himself to be a scornful tempter and a blind unbeliever For Christ when upon earth did eat Bread and Food but that did not argue that he had sin and he hath left us an example that his steps should be followed who did not sin 1 Pet. 2 21 22. And how shall men pray for keeping from sin if they may not be kept from it according to J. H. his Words who also would make Christs praying of none effect if none may be kept from sin for Christ prayed to the Father that his children might be kept from the evil even in the World and be perfect in one as he and his Father were one John 17. And twhen some of the quakers have fasted certain dayes together as they were moved and as many of Gods People have done and been upheld in it by the Power of God some of this generation of tempters have slandered them as being in delusion or Witchcraft and one partaking of their iniquities is this Priest Horne and he saith that they may it may be think there is ground to believe us if we will live without bread or food It appears its but doubtful whether they 'l believe us or not if such a thing might be Thus J.H. thy folly and deceit is gone abroad Oh! gross darkness is thy Habitation J. H. saith Note whosoever is born of God sinneth not whosoever is perfectly born of God as the spirits of just men made perfect that is deceased they cannot sin nor the men when their spirits and bodies shall be re-united in the Resurrection but none are so perfectly born of God here Answ Oh what pitiful stuff is here to imagine that men are not perfectly born of God so as not to sin till they are deceased and when their spirits and bodies should be re-united in the Resurrection And this would make the work of God imperfect here when all his Works are perfect And what were these that were born of God in the Apostles dayes who the Apostle said could not sin some that were deceased and risen again having their bodies and spirits re-united then in the Resurrection according to what J.H. speaks Surely J. H. had I said as much as thou hast done herein thou might well have said that I undermine the hope of the Gospel and much more of thy confusion and lyes have I left unmentioned here And where J.H. saith that G.F. and G.W. uncivilly posâ—â—d him up as going away on purpose intending that they posted him up as going on purpose out of Lin to avoid disputing with them this is falshood For what we posted up had not those words in it but was a true Relation to certifie the people why we could not then have a publike meeting as we demanded neither with J.H. nor T.M. that they might not think that the canse of our not meeting with them at that time did lie upon our parts but upon theirs and this was occasioned by J.H. his many slanderous Papers which he posted up before wherein he charged the â—â—â—kers with being decâ—ivers and accursed and in some of his Papers he promised to make that charge good as and when thereto lawfully called which he hath not yet done nor can do Some of J. H. his Doctrines and slanders against us are here again laid down which all that are sober-minded who read this may judge of and see that he hath not made them good against us One particular he urged and in effect affirmed was That the corruption which Paul groaned and waited for the redemption of the body from was the corruption of Mortality in which the body is in death when it is in corruption That the Prophets and Apostles had sin in them so long as they lived That the Scriptures never sayes Let not sin be in you That there is no man living that sinneth not Jesus Christ excepted That the Quakers are deceivers and such as the People ought not to hear but to account them accursed That they to wit the Quakers come not as the true Prophets and Apostles did viz. With abasements of themselves and lifting up God and Christ. That they subvert the Faith in saying that the knowledge of Christ that is to eternal salvation is the knowledge of him after the Spirit as he was before the world was That they deny the resurrection of the bodies of men That they deny Christ to have that body in heaven glorified in which he suffered and rose again That the Quakers say the coming of Christ in which he shall descend with a shout with the voice of the Arch-Angel and the Trump of God and when the dead in Christ shall be raised and the living believers be changed is over and past J.H. said he is not a dumb dog for he is able to tear and woory me and such Foxes Now these his charges against us called quakers which are but a few of his many slanders I return them back upon him and reject them as lyes and slandars and if he further assay to make them good I shall know further how to proceed against him as the Lord shall make way for I have much more of his confusion false doctrines and slanders which are not yet gone abroad which I have noted and are upon Record One thing more I note That the said J. Horne and T. Moore in a Paper against me say of us called quakers That we be indeed Vipers and Scorpions Cockatrices not to be charmed and like the Locusts out of the bottomless pit whose sting is in their Tales they say And yet these men that have thus reproached us have confessed that we are a heavy judgement that God hath ordered to them to punish them for their neglect of Christ the salvation of God and the Truth of him so long abused by them Novv from their ovvn confession they are such as have not the seal of God upon their foreheads for the Locusts were onely sent to punish these men that had not the seal of God upon their foreheads Rev. 94. Thus their malice and confusion is gone abroad who shall know one day that we are another manner of Judgement against them then the Locusts and the more they strive against the heavy Judgement that God hath ordered to punish them for the neglect of Christ and abusing of his Truth the greater will their shame and torment be And all People in whom there is a simplicity of Truth appearing and a desire stirring in you after life for your souls beware of the Leaven of these Deceivers and abusers of the Truth who are so contending and pleading for sinne whereby the Devils Kingdom is upheld and strengthened and his subjects encouraged in his service for the hand of the Lord is against them and God will assuredly confound and overthrow them their confusion and folly is already much gone abroad therefore feed not you upon their confusion nor upon their chaff dead words but come off from among these barren Mountains and heed the appearance of the Light of the Lord in you and feel it that you may come to the bread of Life and to feed upon the flesh of Christ which comes down from Heaven For the Lord is exalting his holy Mountain above all the barren Mountains that have lifted up themselves against him Blessed are they that come into the love of the Truth and wait in the Light of it in them whereby they may be undeceived and escape out of the snares of such ungodly men who make a prey upon souls The End
which travails in pain for that is in bondage while in pain before the birth is brought forth to reign which brings to the healing and to the rest in the glorious liberty which before that state was witnessed even the Prophets also knew the travelling in pain for thus saith the Lord We have heard a voice of trembling of fear and not of peace aske ye now and see whether a man man doth travail with childe wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loyns as a woman in travel and all faces are turned into paleness Jer. 30.6 And like as a woman with child that draweth near the time of her delivery is in pain and cryeth out in her pangs so have we been in thy sight O Lord we have been with childe we have been in pain Isa 26.17 but when the Prophet witnessed that unto them a child was born and to them a son was given who was the wond reful Counsellor he brought the peace and ended the travail and pain he being the Prince of peace but these states I finde J. H. never knew for to my knowledge he hath judged our speaking of a babe within but to be a dream and is in his scorn and lies thereby making many of the people light and vain against the truth like the false Prophets And where he saith that here all the people fell a laughing at G. W. In this he would make all the people ignorant and scoffers like himself and herein many of the people who were at our dispute can witness against this J. Horne for wickedly belying them also for there were many both of our friends and others who were sober minded and did not joyn with him nor them of his company that scoffed in their laughter and scorn which did much manifest his shame and theirs who therein joyned with him seeing he was such a bad example among so many hundreds of people soberness and seriousness might better have become him in reasoning about the things of God Again J. H. saith I flew to another shift for that Paul condescended in his writing to those of low degree to the state of some he writ to as if the believing Romans or Saints at Rome were not borne of God or did not then believe that Jesus is the Christ c. Reply As for his urging that whosoever be lieves that Jesus is the Christ is borne of God he hath done it without understanding and without distinction though it be true according to Iohns Testimony of a true beleever who by faith hath victory over the world and so being borne of God is not under the bondage of corruption nor can such a one sin because he is borne of God and his seed remaineth in him so he witnesseth that Jesus is the Christ in saving him from sin but such in being born of God I. H. doth not own while men are here and let me tell him that a man must believe that Jesus is the Christ and believe in him too before he be borne of God as Christ said Beleeve in the light that ye may be the children of the light John 12.36 so as for his urging that whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God without any true discerning or distinction to such a multitude of people to make them believe that he had shackled me herein his deceit was clearly seen for what people is there of any understanding in the whole Christendom and even among these Priests in England whom this Priest Horne hath called greedy dumb dogs strong to appetite that do not beleeve that Jesus is the Christ are they therefore born of God examine and see And that Paul condescended to the Romans to severall States which he had passed thorow and which were below his owne when he writ to them is evident for which thing affirming this scornfull Priest hath so much reproached me For Paul spake unto them after the manner of men because of the infirmity of their flesh Rom. 6.19 and he could not then be in all those states as in relation to his own particular condition which he condescended to the Romans as one in For he spake to them as one under the Law and as a wretched man and as one that did evill who was led captive to the Law of sin in his members and asked who should deliver him like one that did not know who should though then he knew his deliverer and deliverance having bin a Minister many years Rom. 15.23 And he said I know that in me that is in my Flesh dwelleth no good thing and yet was not Christ then in him and in his Flesh and he spake unto them as in the warfare in the pain and bondage and as one who found not how to perform that which was good which states as in relation to his own condition he had passed thorough for he was at peace with God and freed from under the Law and dead unto sin and so free from it be being a Servant of Christ and one who was more then a Conqueror even when he writ to the Romans See Rom. 5. and chap. 6. and 7. and 8. so that any that understand thesest ates may see that Paul condescended to many states below his own for when he was free from all men he made himself servant unto all that he might gain the more for he saith unto the Jewes I became as a Jew that I might gain the Jewes and to them that are under the Law as under the Law that I might gain them that are under the Law and to them that are without Law being not without Law to God but under the Law to Christ that I might gain them that are under the Law And to the weak became I as weak c. 1 Cor. 9.20 And so what I spake touching Pauls travel and condescending was true and upon good grounds though J.H. and some of his company were so uncivil towards me in their bawling or wrangling many of them at once against me and obtruding many Questions together upon me at the dispute several times before I had explained my self to one and they would have tied me to Answer them Yea or Nay when often the things questioned did of necessity admit of a larger Answer then Yea or Nay shewing themselves both to want moderation and true understanding and they would not suffer me several times to explain what I laid down as I would for their bawling and heap of Questions though J.H. durst answer to very few Questions that I put to him and as for his accusing me as that I would faine have bin reading in their Book to have diverted from his Question or turned off from the discourse in hand In that I would not have long bin off the discourse for I would only have shewed them one or two of their Apparent Lies and then have disputed further with him but like guilty persons neither he nor T. M. would let me then
did mention that of Joh. 5.25 touching the dead hearing the voice of the Son of God that these that vvere dead or asleep in their sins might come to be raised out of them and live this I knevv vvas the most needful for many people that heard us to knovv they having such as thou art for their Teachers vvhose Ministry doth greatly tend to keepe them in their sins when somuch they strive for sin in contending and pleading for it as thou hast done And in thy eleventh page thou hast laid down many words in my name which I never spake thy wickedly wronging me will come heavy upon thee one day And oh how lame and doubtfull is thy Relation against me who when thou hast oftentimes laid down answers for mine thou sayest or to such purpose was his answers and so hast but often guessed about my answers and often belyed me and perverted the words of truth and broken my answers often putting but peeces of them down as any impartiall reader of thy relation who heard our dispute may easily see And after thou hast for a pretence laid down part of my Answers thou againe sayest to such purpose was his answer but with more circumstances and tells of my running into a long circuling discourse and so hast left out many things I said which tendered much to the clearing of my answers to the understandings of the simple And where I said that of God in the people must be Judge Iohn Horne saith he appeals to that of God in them all See what a dissembling imitation he is in here how can he appeal to that of God in all the People when he denyes that all have the light of Christ in them which is that of God in all which we speak of and appeal to in all and to my knovvledge this Priest hath often contended against our saying the light of Christ or a spiritual light is in all men vvhich is that in every one vvhich the true Minister must appeal to and be a good savour to both in them that are saved and in them that perish which the blind guides of this Age do so much contend against And where I laid upon this Priest Horn his writing so much against the Priests of this Nation and his calling them such as Esay speaks of Isaiah 56. Watchmen that are blinde greedly dogges and dumbe dogs c. when he himselfe is in the same stepps they are in To this he replies thus to me viz. Nay George thou doest not findt hee to the us dumb dogs we are made able blessed be God to worry thee and put worst o. and at the dispute he told me he was able to worry me and such Foxes as I am so you may see the falshood and vanity of this man and his Reason which is no better then to say a dog that is a worrier is not a dumb dog because he can worry when as the dumb dogs use to be the greatest worriers as the blind Watchmen in Israel were compared to such when they fed themselves and sought for their gaine from their Quarters but destroyed and scattered the Flock So here J. H. hath not cleared himself from being one of the Watchmen whom he hath called dumb dogs seeing that according to his own confession he is a worrier and so not as Christ 's Ministers were who were Lambs among Wolves Again J. H. answers me thus viz. The Lamb is a Lyon to George and makes Israel a Lyon too Geâ— 49.9 Mica 5.8 And it is in his strength and power that we are inabled to tear and worry thee c. To which I say here again hath he falsly boasted in his folly and falshood and of that power which he was manifest to be out of both in the dispute and when he sought to break up the meeting and fled out of it before I would have had him and left severall Questions unanswered which I put to him And it 's said at the end of this his relation in the next page that the Church-Warden M. H with other Friends seing J. H. much spent with speaking so long and somuch and fearing be might wrong himself therin and that he being tyred and much spent withdrew c. When a little before he boasted of his being in the strength and power of the Lion and as a Lion that could tear and worry me counting me a Fox and now he is tyred and much spent and he fain to flee for it was ever the like confusion and ignorance heard of Did you ever hear of a Fox that out-stood a Lion so far in battle as to cause the Lion to be so tired and much spent that the Lion was first fain to flee for it and so many of John Horns Friends who count themselves in the strength and power of the Lion were afraid he might wrong himself he being so much spent and tyred You may see here that his boasting of his God and of his being in the Lions power is come to nought and that he is a meer Hypocrite and dissembler to boast of being in that which he is out of and if we be Foxes and he a tearer and a worrier according to his own words how is it he cannot feare us or affright us away And to that where it is said J. Horne and others of his friends laughing at the Quakers and G. W. to see some of his confusion and to prove his laughing he brings The righteous shall see them and laugh them to scorn I say It hath in this thing largely manifested his folly and vanity in his and his companies laughing and scoffing among such a great company which did incourage prophane and ignorant people in their scorn and laughter which is madness which these Professors stirred up in them but many that were sober saw their folly and prophaneness therein so that J. H. was not a Minister of grace to the hearers but of that which stirred up folly and madness among them And now what impudence is he in to boast of such vanity and wickedness in print and bring David's words for a cover to it when he never knew the state of David nor truly understands when to laugh and when to mourn as appears by his unsavory practices So that the righteous who sitteth on high will laugh him to scorn who hath scorned the innocent and caused others so to do as he hath done and wo unto them that laugh now for they shall mourn and weep Luk 6.25 J. H. accounts that he is compleatly righteous though in himself he acknowledges sin and for proof he saith the Apostle said Colos 2.10 In him yee are complete and yet in the same Epistle to the same people he saith Chap. 3.5 Morâ—ifie therefore your members that be upon earth fornication uncleaness c. If these were not in them how could they be called their members upon earth To which I saying the Apostles writing to the Churches writ to diverse states some
not in power or authority to persecute me as if he were some great tyrannizing Magistrate manifesting himself to be in Cain's Way So whether this Priest Horne doth intend with his Hearers to proceed lawfully against me ot not the People may easily judge for which I leave him to the Lord to be judged for his malice herein And here also you may see that J.H. was not able to tear nor woory me nor to stop my mouth with his words as falsly he would boast seeing he is fain to encourage them in power the people to hinder me from speaking And this is the beastly shift these silly Priests are fain to flee to when their Gospel will not defend them neither can their God give them victory by it And J.H. saith As for this People the quakers unless they see and turn from their evil Way God's hand will be against them and that their root is rottenness and shall be dried and perish he saith To which I say J. Horne hath but here judged us in his malice and prophesied from the envy of his own heart and we doubt not but his Prophesie will prove false and come to pass upon himself and many such lying Prophets against us as he is there is in the World and if our root were rottenness how is it we we are such a heavy judgement burthen and torment to him and such deceivers as he is And how is it we encrease and grow so much in the power of God that our Borders are so much enlarged that We are a burthen to our Enemies such false Prophets and blind Watchmen as J H. is who with his Brother T.M. hath acknowledged us to be a heavy Judgement that God hath ordered to punish them for their neglect of Christ and the abuse of his Truth and yet since he hath boasted of their being able to woory and tear me and now accuseth our root to be rottenness which is as much as if they had said They can woory and tear the heavy Judgement that God hath ordered to them and that the Root of that judgement is rottenness according to this Priest H orn's own Words and herein hath he sadly blasphemed against God who is the root of his own Judgements one of whose Judgements we are ordered by him to punish J.H. and such as he is for their neglect of Christ and the abuse of his Truth and therefore we must do the Work that God hath sent us for And what presumption is it of J.H. to perswade his Hearers not to permit us to speak nor to liften to us but to account us accursed when we are the heavy Judgement that God ordered to punish them for their abuse of his truth vvhich is all one as if he had said Permit not God to speak by his Judgement to us nor listen to the Judgement that God hath ordered to punish us for our our faults but account it accursed And thus his blasphemy and hardness of heâ—rt is manifest like theirs vvho repented not of their evil deeds spoken of in Rev. 16.9 but blasphemed against the God of Heaven vvhen they vvere in torment under the Plagues of God vvhose Judgements are all righteous upon the disobedient J. H. saith The King Christ shall rejoice in God and every one that swears by or confesseth him shall glory Psal 63.10 Let them alone neither abuse them with incivilities c. To which I say If every one that swears by Christ shall glory then must the Drunkards and Liars and all such prophane persons as swearby him glory and so this doctrine of his tends to the incouraging of Drunkards and profane persons in swearing which is against the Doctrine of Christ who put an end to the Oaths and swearing which was under the Lavv where there vvas svvearing by the Lord for Christ and the Apostle commanded not to svvear at all and he that transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not And if people must let us alone and not abuse us vvith incivilities then J. H. and his company ought to permit us to speak and he ought not encourage them to persecute us as he hath done a little before thus he still discovers his ovvn confusion whereby he hath so long abused the Truth of God and been fighting against the heavie Judgment of God vvhich is his due as he hath done vvho by his carriage and Doctrine hath encouraged drunkards scoffers and svvearers in their vvickedness Thus all that come to the Truth may see hovv evill men and seducers vvax vvorse and vvorse And to these words in J. H. his Pamphlet which are thus laid down viz. Our Lord Jesus teaching his Disciples to pray to God as their Father and in the first place to breathe or desire the hallowing or sanctifying of Gods Name the coming of his Kingdom and that his will might be done in earth as it is in heaven and yet teaching them to pray for forgiveness of their trespasses doth he not strongly and plainly imply that even such as are the children of God and so born of God and that have their hearts through his grace set for the glory of God's Name above all things and so for the coming of his Kingdom and the doing of his will have sins and trespasses against God of which they need forgiveness I answer Men may call God Father as he is the Creator of all Mal. 2 10. before they are born of God or before the birth which is from above be brought forth in them which is indued with power from on high and before the Disciples were endued with that power or come to that state they were to pray for the forgiveness of their trespasses Now that which was in the Trespasses was not the Seed in them which the Promise was to neither in that state was the Seed brought forth to reign while the first Birth or trespasser against God which the Law takes hold upon was alive and acting them and no man can truly call God Father but by the Holy Ghost and that which called him Father in the Disciples of Christ when they were begotten to the belief of the Truth was begotten of him and they praying in that as being begotten before they were in the statof him that is born of God as mentioned in 1 Joh. 3 they received what they asked and so came to have their trespasses for given as they forgave others theirs and to inherit the Kingdom of God and his Power which they prayed for Col. 1.14 Rev. 12 10. In which Kingdom there is no sinne nor unclean thing can come and they that are come to the childrens state that are born of God and abide in Christ they sin not and the childrens state must be witnessed before the Kingdom be inherited also there may be children begotten and not in that which is born of God nor in the Kingdome if they abide not in the Seed such as Paul travelled for that Christ might be formed in