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as_o in_o part_n that_o of_o the_o power_n of_o priestly_a absolution_n confession_n of_o due_a veneration_n to_o the_o relic_n of_o saint_n of_o merit_n of_o satisfaction_n of_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o church_n of_o general_a council_n now_o here_o our_o reflect_a return_n to_o his_o old_a trade_n of_o misrepresent_v again_o for_o every_o one_o who_o will_v believe_v his_o own_o eye_n may_v soon_o satisfy_v himself_o that_o the_o answerer_n in_o these_o doctrine_n own_v nothing_o which_o be_v peculiar_a to_o the_o faith_n of_o a_o papist_n as_o distinguish_v from_o the_o common_a faith_n of_o all_o christian_n he_o may_v as_o well_o say_v that_o because_o protestant_n own_v that_o christ_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v therefore_o they_o in_o part_n own_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n that_o christ_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v by_o image_n this_o be_v the_o very_a case_n here_o the_o answerer_n grant_v that_o christ_n give_v to_o the_o bishop_n and_o priest_n of_o 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