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The difference between the Church and Court of Rome, considered in some reflections on a dialogue entituled, A conference between two Protestants and a Papist / by the author of the late seasonable discourse.
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Lloyd, William, 1627-1717.
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a just History and shall produce only two Testimonies in evidence to my present Conclusion and both of them of so early a date as not to admit that common excuse which the Irish are alwayes ready to offer that they did not rebel against the King but fought against his Enemies and Regicides The first of these shall be the Brief of Pope Urban to Oneal bearing date Octob. 8. that is our Sept. 28. 1642. which was before the first battel between the King and his Rebels in England at Edge-Hill The Brief runs thus To his beloved Son Eugenius Oneal You are accustomed to omit no occasion to testifie your singular zeal and endeavour which you derive from your Ancestors of defending the Church and of this you have given a recent testimony by designing to go into Ireland to take care of the concerns of the Catholicks Wherefore your Letters came very welcom to me whereby you signifie your intended Voyage and taking your Auspice from the Divine Assistance have not less humbly than religiously desired of Us our Apostolical Benediction We highly commend your constancy against the Hereticks and sincere Faith expecting from you in this opportunity the proofs of your Valour which have formerly given you renown and will be exemplary to others We hope the most high will be at hand to assert your Cause and will make known his saving health among all Nations In the mean time that you may proceed with greater assurance praying incessantly to the divine Clemency that he would frustrate the endeavours of your Enemies we give to you and those others who promote the affairs of the Catholicks in the aforesaid Kingdom our Benedicton and to all and each of them if they being penitent are confest and duly refresht with the holy Communion if it may be had plenary Remission and pardon of their sins and also at the point of Death plenary Indulgence Dated at Rome under the Seal of the Fisher the 8 day of Octob. A. 1642. and of our Papacy 20. My next Proof shall be from a zealous Votary of the Church of Rome Father O-mahon in his Apology for the Right to the Kingdom of Ireland in behalf of the Catholicks against the English Hereticks and his Exhortation where after other laudable Documents he thus bespeaks them My Countrey-men of Ireland Go on and prosper fulfil the work which you have begun for your Defence and Liberty destroy the Hereticks your Enemies and all their Abettors you have already killed an hundred and fifty thousand of them in these four last years I mean from 1641. to this present 1645. wherein 〈◊〉 the which your Enemies in their Writings roar out and 〈◊〉 and you acknowledge and I believe that more of the Hereticks have been killed and would to God that all had been so It remains that you destroy those that yet survive or at least drive them out of Ireland that they may no more infect our Catholick Country with their Heresies and Errours I shall trouble the Reader no farther on this Head but desire him to take his choice whether he will believe my Author who sayes the Rebellion of Ireland was not for Religion or his Holiness whom in this case we may allow to be infallible who sayes it was Or if we will avoid so odious a comparison whether we will think our Author speaks truth or Father Mahun who was not a stranger to the action he talks of and would be thought to know what belongs to War and Religion as well as any of his neighbours though by the way he also confutes that representation which our Author makes of the small numbers of Protestants murdered by the Rebels for our Author seems to suggest That indeed this thing which we talk of as a Massacre and a War was only a Scuffle at a Wake where a few broken shins or beads determined the quarrel and after the application of a plaister of Diapalma all was presently made well again But there is nothing so manifest that some Romanists have not the confidence to deny And truly they who teach their Votaries in the immediate concerns of their immortal Souls to renounce all their sences and reason to boot need not despair of obtruding any thing upon the credulous world It may here be expected that from the before-going premisses I should now draw out Conclusions and those severely pressing on that whole sort of men who under divers hotious and pretences call themselves Roman Catholicks that I should exhort our Patriots to oppose sanguinary Laws against inhumane bloody practises and pecuniary or other strict restraints against licentious Principles To put it out of their power to hurt the publick whose very Religion makes it impossible for them to give any competent security that they will not destroy it And in a word to avert those mischiefs by precaution which if allowed to gather strength will be so fatally destructive as not to be repaired 〈◊〉 after punishments But this is not my aim who press the discoveries which I have made no farther than to arm those who are so fortunate to have been educated in a Faith of peaceful Duty and Obedience not to be tempted by false pretences to desert it and to perswade all those who have been so unhappy to be entangled in that endless maze of Error the Roman Church to quit both it and those pernicious guilts which I have shewed to be its necessary and individual adherents I contend not against Names and Notions but Vice and Mischief nor am I angry with men but with that which destroys Human Society I would not make any Faction look worse than it is But I can never hold that for Religion which teaches men to Violate their Faith to Worship Wood and Stone to Make and then Devour their God to Blow up Senates to Massacre Nations and Kill Kings FINIS * Declarat of egregious Popish Impostures c Foot out of the Snare Examination of Sowbrets c. Boy of Bilson c. Chambers Sheldon a Tho à Jesu de convers omn. gent. p. 561 c. Ibid. Ibid. b Response au livre de Monsieur l' Evâ—que de Condom en l' avertisement d P. 7 8 c. Bull Pii IV. f Animad p. 76 77 c. g Consult p. 56. h P. 13. i P. 8. Pontif. p. 94 95 Arch. Spotswood History p. 803. Pontificale Rom. Watson's Quod libets Dialogue between a Secular Priest and Lay-Gentleman A true Relation of the faction begun at Wisbich Quod. P. 37 69 88 89 265 266 c. 275 c. 303 c. * Discourse of the Powder Treason Apology for the Oath of Allegiance Premonition to all free Princes and States Answers to Cardinal Perron and Bellarmin c. ‖ Sir George Crook's Reports part 2. Term Trin. A. 2. Iac. R. in Banco Regis First Controversial Letter King Iames his Discourse of the Powder Treason Proceedings against the Gun-powder Traitors 3 Concil Lateran Tom. conc 27. 4 Concil Lateran Tom. concil 28. Tom. Conc 18 P. 11. Harangue au tiers Estat p. 61â— c Dr Vane Vindicat of the Council of Lateran Tom. 11. part 1. Concil Trid. Sess. 4. can 8. Mat. Paris in ann 1222. Binnii Concil Tom. 7. part 2. Harangue au tiers Estat First Controv Letter The life of Gerson prefixt to his works And Tom. 1. p. 375. 3. p. 69. P. 9. 25 Ed 3. cap. ult Davil l. 10. Conclus Facult Paris D Aubigne Tom. 3. Boter relat Thuan. Hist. lib. 137. Harangue au tiers Estat Recueil tres exact curieux de tout ce que l'est fait pass de singulier memorable en l'Assemblee Generale des Estates tenus à Paris en l'anne 1614. Bar Florim â— Rapine Pag. 356. Pag 410. First Controversial Letter James 3. Vita del gloriâ—sissimo Papa Pio quinto p. 195. Moâ—ray Ann. 1572. Thuan. Hist. l. 53. Stow. Speed Chron. in Hen. 2. Baron in An. 1169. Disputatio Apologetica de sure regni Hiberniae pro Catholicis Hibernis adversus haereticos Anglos Autore C. M. Hiberno Artium S. Th. magistro c. num 2 P. 19.
throw off his yoak but if ever the Church of Romo could eradicate the Reformed Religion which doubtless is and ever must be their great drift and aim Princes of the Romish Religion would find the want of that check and awe upon the Pope Will you see how tender and fearful Princes have been heretofore of claiming their Rights in this kind See Ed. 3. a brave and a magnanimous Prince in the vigour of his Age in the 25 year of his Reign when he comes to claim and vindicate his Rights in Ecclesiastical matters he is so fearful of offending the Pope that he seeks all possible excuses even whilst he is claiming his own First he layes the fault on his Predecessors and quotes the Statute made in his Grandfathers time In the next place the grievous complaint of the Commons must bear its share then the injury to private Patrons is called in for a pretence as if that gave rise to the complaint when all this while the King had power enough from the Rights inherent in the Crown and from former Statutes if he durst put it in practise then which is a wonderful Instance of his fear to offend the Pope for a farther excuse he sets up a claim for his people to the prejudice of his Negative voice the greatest and choicest flower of the Crown for in the Statute of Provisors of that year he makes the Commons to alledge nor is there any mark of his dislike but rather assent to it so desirous he was of an excuse toward the Pope that the Right of the Crown of England and the Law of the said Realm is such that upon mischiefs and damage which happened to his Realm he ought and is bound of the accord of his said people in his Parliament thereof to make Remedy and Law in voiding the mischiefs and damage which thereof cometh c. Then the King goes on himself to alledge his own Oath to see the Laws executed c. as the Reader may satisfie himself more fully from the Statute at large as it appears in all our Books I suppose this may sufficiently show how fearfully that Great and Generous Prince not subject to vain fears went about to remedy that Inconvenience What Fruit he reap'd from the hazard he adventur'd And how effectual that Great Medicine our Author so highly commends to us was may be conjectur'd by the need there was of another Statute of Provisors the very next Parliament viz. the 27 year of his Reign It would be too tedious to the Reader and my self to quote all the Statutes of that kind Instead of others which it were easie to produce I shall onely add that of the 16 of Rich. 2. cap. 5. Where the Commons of the Realm having complained of the intolerable Tyrannies and Oppressions of the See of Rome go on to pray the King and him require by way of Iustice that he would examine all the Lords in the Parliament as well Spiritual as Temporal severally and all the States of the Parliament how they think of the Cases aforesaid which be so openly against the Kings Crown and in derogation of his Regality and how they will stand in the same Cases with our Lord the King c. Whether this Examination was in order to the Attainder of the Persons or Suspension of the Votes of the Dissenters or some other purpose I will not take upon me to enquire Certainly considering the Greatness of the Peerage of England at that time such a way of procedure shews the greatness of the mischief which was desir'd to be redrest But the continued Complaint and fresh Endeavours for Remedy do likewise as evidently demonstrate that none of our Kings ever found an effectual Cure till the time of Henry the VIII who yet although he retain'd the Roman Profession of faith denying temporal Subjection to the Pope became liable to that Deprivation and Censure and all that Spiritual Thunder which so severely fell upon him and has since exercised his Successors But these our Princes who came after him having generally been of the Reformed Religion which they of Rome have declar'd to be Heresie the practises among us however exorbitant will not fall under our present consideration I shall therefore pass over to our Neighbours of France and examine how well the Priviledges of the Gallican Church have stood the most Christian Kings in stead which will readily be seen if we look into their Histories nor will we seek farther than the last Age. Henry the Third we know had difficulty enough with the Catholick holy League oppos'd not only by the high-flown Jesuited Romanists but the Bulwarks of Regal Authority the Loyal Doctors of the Sorbon who being Seventy in number unanimously decree nemine contradicente That the Subjects of France were freed from their Oaths of Allegiance and Obedience made to Henry the Third And also that the said Subjects may legally and with a safe Conscience arm and unite themselves collect and raise money c. Which Decree of the good Doctors was ratified by his Holiness in his Bull of Excommunication which suddenly followed and was pursued to such Extremities by the Leaguers that they were not onely content to subject that Kingdom to the Yoak of Spain but in despite of the Sallick Law endeavour that the Infanta Clara Eugenia Elizabetha should succeed unto the Crown and though the King turn'd Covenanter himself and Establish'd the Oath of Union in the Assembly of the Three Estates and personally swore to it making it a Fundamental Law of the French Nation that onely a Catholick should be capable to succeed unto the Crown yet notwithstanding this the said Henry the Third could not escape the Anger of his Holiness and what is consequent thereto the being depriv'd of his Kingdom and his Life massacred by I. Clement the Iacobin-Monk To him we know succeeded Henry the V. who after great strugling and the same opposition from the Unanimous Determination of the Loyal Sorbon-Doctors in their general Congregation who May 7. 1590. Declar'd Henry of Bourbon uncapable of the Crown though he should obtain Absolution from the Church and that the French were oblig'd to keep him from the Crown that all who favour him are in perpetual mortal sin and all that are slain in the Cause against him shall obtain an everlasting Reward and be crown'd with the Trophies of Martyrdom This Henry I say having by the blessing of God and a good Sword added possession to his Claim and in spite of opposition made himself Master of France yet this new Sallick Law stood still in his light and a Crown was not to be had but at the price of a Mass For though it be a receiv'd Maxime That the Crown removes all taint of Blood it cannot of Opinion One now would have expected in this instance that the Church Doors should have flown open to receive this Royal Convert but the case is far otherwise Five years diligent