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A04528 The Catholique iudge: or A moderator of the Catholique moderator Where in forme or manner of a plea or suite at law, the differences betweene those of the Reformed Church, and them of the Romish Church are decided; and without partialitie is shewed which is the true religion and catholique Church, for the instruction of either partie. Together with eight strong arguments or reasons, why the Popes cannot be competent iudges in these controversies. Written in the Dutch and French tongue, by Iohn of the Crosse, a Catholique gentleman. Translated out of French into English, by the right worshipfull and learned Knight Sir A.A. John of the Crosse, a Catholique gentleman.; A. A., Sir. 1623 (1623) STC 14651; ESTC S107831 50,836 96

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which onely saluation can be obtained The Reformed Church beleeueth that the true Church is there where the word of God is sincerely and purely preached the Sacraments lawfully administred and distributed and where the outward discipline of the Church is duly obeyed Sot def lat deon'e pag. 991. Iug. Con Dist 4 Con Triden Ses 5. Con 2. The Church of Rome teacheth that the true notes of the Church are these that is to say consent in publike doctrine with the Church of Rome Secondly the personall succession of Bishops Thirdly the acknowledgment of the Pope 11. Of Counsels Mat. 18. Gal 5. Luk. 11. 1 Cor. 11. c. 119.12.62 The Reformed Church beleeueth that shee is not subiect nor tied to Councels but onely to the written Word of God Also that the Councells and auncient Fathers may erre when they swerue and turne aside any whit from the word of God The Church of Rome subiects and ties it selfe wholie to generall Councels as those that cannot erre Tap. Art 1 pag. 5. Sot assen lat de Concilijs The Reformed Church beleeueth that there are but two Sacramēts instituted by Iesus Christ 12. Of Sacraments Mat. 28. Mar. 16. 1 Cor. 11. Aug epist 218. ad Ian. lib. 3 de doct christ cap 9. Con Triden Ses 7. can 8. Linda lib. 4. cap. 57. 13. Of Markes Rom. 8. c. 3. 1 Timo. 2. that is to say Baptisme and the Lords Supper The Church of Rome teacheth that there are seuen Sacraments which conferre saluation Ex opere operato that is to say by the worke wrought yea euen without any good intention or affection of those that vse them The Reformed Church beleeueth that the afflictions and oppressions which the faithfull endure in this world are fatherly corrections which are sent vnto them from God for their amendment the chastisment of certaine sins or else are trialls and proofes of their faith or testimonies of the true doctrine they suffer for The Church of Rome teacheth Linda lib. 4 cap. 73. Con. Triden Ses 4. Can. 9. Tho. Aquin. l 4. Dist 4. Art 9. Sot Asseu de author that the Martirdom or suffering of the Saints is an expiatorie or purging oblation for sinne and that the paine or punishment which they endure deserueth a diminishing and mitigation of eternall punishment and moreouer life eternall The Reformed Church beleeueth 14. Of the Magistrate Rom. 13. that the Magistrate ought not only to take care of maintaining and defending the temporall goods of his subiects but also of true religion and of procuring their saluation The Church of Rome teacheth Sot in late schol Ibid. in assirt Cap. that the Magistrate must be debarred from entermedling with Ecclesiasticall affayres and with religion and also that Ecclesiasticall causes pertaine only to the Pope and his Prelates 15 Of Marriage Heb. 15. 1 Cor. 7. 1 Tim. 3.1 Chrisost hom in Tit. 2. con dist 28 Pigh cat Rom pag 552. The Reformed Church teacheth that Marriage is honorable among all And that it is a Diuelish doctrine to forbid it to any The Church of Rome affirmeth that such as are married liue in the flesh and that marriage is forbidden to Priests and to Ecclesiasticall persons And that it were more tolerable for an Ecclesiastical person to entertaine many Whores and Concubines then to betake himselfe to lawful marriage 16 Of humane traditions Col. 2. Mat. 11. 2 Iohn 1. Eph. 2. Gal. 3. Mat. 15. Con. Triden Ses can 1. Cat. Rom. pag. 319 499. Can. Triden Ses 4. can 1.1 Grat. con dist 5. The Reformed Church beleeueth that chrisme or annointing with oyle and other such like obseruations and traditions of the Church of Rome are directly repugnant and opposite to the word of God The Church of Rome teacheth that by the Sacrament which they call confirmation the faithfull receiue more graces then by the Sacrament of Baptisme And that extreame vnction confirmeth spirituall grace The Reformed Church beleeueth that none can be Iustified before God by any other meanes then onely faith in Christ Iesus 17. Of Vowes Io. 1. Heb. 10. The Church of Rome maintaineth that vowes of continency pouertie and obedience merrit eternall life Sot asser Can. And pag. 11. The reformed Church beleeveth that their sins are abolished and blotted out by the blood of the onely Mediator Iesus Christ The Romane Church beleeue that there is not onely a divine vertue in holy water but also an efficacie to cure and heale and to driue away diuels and in summe to defend and preserue all things against all inconveniences The Reformed Church beleeue 20. Of Invocation Exod. 20. Mat. 4. Act. 4. Apoc. 12. 1 Ioh. 4. Ecch. in Lom lib. 4. dist 48. Con. Trid. Sess 6. Rom. 3. Lind. l. 3.23 that we must call vpon God the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost in spirit and in truth The Church of Rome maintaineth that we must call vpon Angels and hee-Saints and shee-Saints of Paradise attributing to each Saint a particular office as for example that Saint Leonard delivereth prisoners that Saint Valentine giveth bodily health Saint Roch or Saint Petronel cureth the fever Saint Clare the diseases of the eyes and Saint Anthony the tooth-ach God commandeth that none but hee alone should be honoured worshipped and adored 21. Of Reliques Deut. 4. Con. Trid. Sess 4. The Pope commandeth to honour and adore the bones reliques and images of the Saints The reformed Church beleeveth 22. Of Fasting 1 Tim 4. Col. 4. Rom. 14. Mat. 15. Soc. de iciun that the forbidding of certaine meates on certaine dayes out of an opinion of merit and holinesse is a doctrine of Divels The Roman Church teacheth that abstaining from certain meats is a work by which one may satisfie for sin and by which a man may apply vnto himselfe the merits of Iesus Christ The reformed Church beleeveth 23. Of Pardons and Indulgences 1 Ioh. 1.2 that the blood of Iesus Christ is the expiation or satisfaction for our sinnes Terrae Pro. 11.46 62. Extrava li. Tit. 9. Clem. 6. The Church of Rome teacheth that the Pardons and Indulgences of Popes are able to obtaine not only absolution of temporall and eternall punishment but moreouer eternall salvation 7. Of the absolute power or rule of the Pope Ephes 4. Col. 1. Cent fro Ie. de Turr. lib. 3. cap. 64. Fol. lib. 1. cent Rom. The Reformed Church beleeveth that Iesus Christ is the onely head who was crucified for vs and now raigneh with great Maiestie at the right hand of his heavenly Father The Church of Rome affirmeth that Iesus Christ is an invisible head and that the Pope of Rome is the visible head of the Church who surmounteth all Emperours and Monarches so much as the Sunne excelleth the Moone or as gold exceedeth lead Also that he is greater then Moses and Saint Paul that hee is like to Saint Peter yea verily that hee is God and not
and I will here mention nothing that may not be found in their owne bookes litterally in expresse tearmes Afterwards I will propound the arguments and reasons for which they of the reformed religion refuse to acknowledge and accept for their Iudges the Popes the Councels the Fathers Traditions Miracles or other such like witnesses but doe instantly require that all such differences of Religion may be decided and determined by the written Word of God And after you shall haue apprehended and considered all these things in the feare of God and without any preiudicate conceit or partiality then I will willingly permit you to chuse the better of those two parties pretending right or contending one against the other The differences of the reformed Christians and the Catholike Romanes touching the principall points of Religion Concerning the first point which wee haue at this present to entreate of Behold heare the principall and most important controversies in the doctrine of these two parties First the reformed Church beleeveth ● Of the holy Scripture Io. 5. Io. 10. 1 Tim. 3. that there is nothing necessary to salvation which is not fully comprised or contained in the holy Canonicall Scriptures of the old and new Testament But the Church of Rome saith Aug. 49. cap. 11. in Iohan. Petr. Sot in Schol. de Scrip. Pig de Ecles hierar lib. 1. cap. 14. Cens col pa. 19. that the holy Scripture is vnperfect and vncertaine or doubtfull compareth the same holy Scripture to a nose of wax to a leaden rule It affirmeth also that without the authority of the Church it is but as a fable of Esops that the Scriptures is the cause of al heresies that it is accommodated and applyed to the time and that therefore the reading thereof must bee forbidden to Lay-people that is to say to the simple and common sort The reformed Church beleeveth that credit must not be given neither to the Councels 2. Of Tradidions Gal. 1. Esay 8. nor to the Fathers no nor to an Angell descending from heauen if so be he should teach contrary to the written word and doctrine of Iesus Christ Chrysost 49. in Mat. Aug. lib. 3. de Trin. Trident Concil Sess 4. Linden lib. 1. cap. 4. Hosius de verbo in Sol. in Con. Late enlo pag. 133. 3. Of the Law of God Rom. 7. Mat. 5.1 Io. 1. The Church of Rome teacheth that vnwritten traditions must bee held in as great estimation and reverence as the holy Scripture as being the foundation of Faith without which foundation the authority and waight of the Scripture vanisheth away or loseth the reputation The Reformed Church beleeveth that the Law of God cannot perfectly bee fulfilled or performed by man and that whatsoever is committed against the same Law is sinne Aug. lib. 2. con Iuli. hom 48. in Ioan. Lindu lib. 3 cap. 19. Andrad lib. 5. Ruord Tap. The Church of Rome teacheth that the Law of God may be so perfectly kept and performed that one may doe workes of Supererrogation or surplussage also that all which is committed against the law of God is not sinne as amongst other things concupiscence 4. Of Sinne. 1 Io. 3. Rom. 5 Aug. lib. 2. con Iul. in hom 41. in Iron The Reformed Church beleeueth that the want of originall iustice or originall corruption concupiscence or coveting and whatsoever is repugnant to Gods law is sinne and maketh men culpable of the wrath of God Counl Col pag. 49. Ruor Tap. de per. orig Conc. Bes. Sess 36. The Church of Rome teacheth that concupiscence and originall sinne is not properly sinne neither is subiect to the wrath of God nor lyable to punishment 5. Of free-will 1 Cor. 2. Rom. 7. Ephes 2. Aug. de Sp. lit cap. 30. The Reformed Church beleeveth that since the fall no free-will is left in man touching things belonging to salvation vnlesse God change and moue the will of man by his holy Spirit The Church of Rome teacheth that man can loue God Ex puris naturalibus that is to say only by his owne power and naturall facultie Also that man euen being in mortall sinne de congruo that is to say according as is meete proper or agreeable may deserue the ordinance or disposition of grace The reformed Church beleeueth that the elect of God are Iustified only by faith in Iesus Christ 6 Of Iustification Rom. 3.4.5 Io. 3. Act 10. Aug. de Trin. Ser. 114. Barn sup cont Ser. 6. Con. Trid. Ses cap. 11. Audred lib. 6. pag. 447. Sot in Schol. de purga Concil Col. pag. 156. 7 Of the mediator Iesus Christ Io. 3. 1 Tim 1. 1 Iohn 2. Math. 20. Esa 53. Aug. lib. 1. c. 42 in Iran hom 85. Ambros de Isa without any good workes of the Law in such sort notwithstanding as the said faith must not be vnfruitfull or dead but a true and liuely faith working by good deedes of Charity The Romish Church teacheth that men are not Iustified by grace and by the imputation of Christs Iustice but by obedience of the law as our owne inherent righteousnesse The reformed Church beleeueth that there is but one onely mediator betweene God and man that is to say Iesus Christ very God and very man who by his death and passion hath canceled and done away the sinnes of the faithfull and by his resurrection hath for them purchased and merited life eternall The Church of Rome teacheth that Christ died for originall sinne onely And that Iesus Christ is not our only Mediatour but together with him all the he-Saints and shee-Saints of Paradice The Reformed Church beleeueth 8. Of the Sacrifice of Iesus Christ Heb. 10. 1 Ioh. 2. Heb. 9. 43. Esa 53. Act. 24. that the faithfull are reconciled to God the father by the onely sacrifice of Iesus Christ once offered and performed or finished on the Crosse The Church of Rome teacheth that the death of Iesus Christ Con Trid. Sess 6. con 2. Cat. Rom. pag. 11. Gab. Bel. 11.12 Linda lib. 4. pag. 375. not the onely expiatorie and purging sacrifice but that the Masse is also such an expiatorie or satisfying oblation as abolisheth the sinnes of the liuing and of the dead it is also availeable to obtaine all good things both spirituall and temporall 9 Of Repentance Eph 4. Rom. 3. Io. 1. c. 19. Esa 19. c. 5. The reformed Church beleeueth that such a repentance is acceptable and pleasing to God wherein appeareth a true mortification of the old Adam and a true viuification or quickning of the new man proceeding from a true faith Lom lib. 4. Dist 16. Cat Rom. pag. 421. Com. Tho. 6 cap. 241. Con. Trid. Ses 4. And. lib. 9. cap. 18. 10 Of the Church Io. 10. Eph. 2. 1. Cor. 3. Math. 18. The Church of Rome teacheth that such a repentance is requisite in which there is a perfect contrition of heart confession of mouth and satisfaction of workes by
was so subdued and opposed by falshood that she could in a manner no where shew or manifest her selfe All this notwithstanding hence it followes not That the Church of Iesus Christ was never wanting that the Church either hath been at sometime abolished or extinguished and quite smoothered or that the Reformed doe contend and striue against the true Church For the Church of Christ hath ever subsisted beene and continued and shall endure so long time as the Lord Iesus Christ shall raigne vnder the sure protection and safegard of whom it is secured and defended howbeit notwithstanding the outward forme is not alwayes alike visible and apparent So that the Reformed maintaine that they impugne or go not against the true Church in any sort but together with the same they call vpon adore with perfect vnion one selfesame God belieue in one alone Iesus Christ who hath bin in all times called vpon worshipped by all the faithfull children of God But the Reformed Christians protest on the other side that they are separated from that Synagogue or Assembly which hath not retained or preserued true faith and religion but aduanced humane traditions aboue divine Oracles which would lay vpon mens consciences burdens insupportable which hath attempted imperiously to beare sway ouer their faith forbidden and hindered the pure preaching of the Word of God and the due and rightfull administration of the Sacraments which is accustomed yeerely to excommunicate them together with all the Christian Churches of Africke Egypt Syria Asia and Greece which persecuteth religious people and such as feare God which will not admit or allow of any reformation which corrupteth and blemisheth things necessary in the Christian Church which hath made necessary things indifferent and corrupted Lawes which hath tyed the Catholique or vniversall Church to one City Orbem in Vrbe briefly which is stained and defiled with all kinde of sinnes and iniquities By reason whereof the Reformed againe protest that they haue beene inforced to forsake this Assembly to obey the commandement of God and that they ought not to pollute nor charge their consciences with the false Romish doctrine lest they be made partakers of the iust and fearfull punishments of God which may befall the same They of the Romane Church for a finall conclusion demande hereupon Where the true Church hath beene so long hidden where the Church hath beene so long hidden For if the Church of Rome say they hath not beene the true Catholique Church must wee not necessarily condemne all those which hitherto haue lived vnder the Popedome The Reformed make answere that there haue been found in all times Christians as well in the Eastern Christian Churches as also in the Westerne vnder the Popes iurisdiction which Christians haue reiected those Popish abuses and corruptions and which is more hath sometimes encountred them both with liuely voyce and word of mouth In Regist lib. 4. cap. 82. Ad Iohan. Ep. Constan Epist 35. ad Maurit Impera Greg. Mag. and by their bookes and writings for not to speake of the ancient Fathers and of the Primitiue Church which the Reformed declare to haue beene wholly of one accord and consent with them in all the Articles of the true Faith and Christian Religion they can also plainely shew that there haue beene many in these last ages which haue consented to the reformation of Religion For albeit that Gregorie the Great maintained some errours yet heerein hee held a good and sound opinion that hee is Antichrist who suffereth himselfe to bee called soveraigne or vniversall Bishop Everardus Salisburg Everard Bishop of Salisberch proved in an eloquent Oration which hee made at the Councell of Regensberch that the Popes were Antichrists and that Pope Hildebrand layde the foundation of this domination or soveraignty of Antichrist Ioachim Calaber Francis Petr. more then 800. yeares agoe Ioachim Calaber at the same time did often call the Popes Antichrist Francis Petrarch in his writings especially in his twentith Epistle hath very sharply enveighed against the Popes Arnulphus Arnulph Bishop of Orleance openly at the Coūcell of Rhemes called the Popes Antichrist Bernardus Saint Bernard in the yeere M. did challenge encounter the Popes as servants of Antichrist At the same time Michael Centenas affirmed the Popes to be Antichrist Ierome Sauanorola borne in Ferrara Hieronymus Sauanorola preached throughout all Italy that the Popes were Antichrists also that their doctrine were prophane for which he was burned at Florence by the commandement of Pope Alexander the sixt Thomas Reiden did absolutely contemne and reiect the Popedome Thomas Reiden and was therefore also burned vnder Pope Eugenius the fourth Laurentius Valla about an hundred yeeres past Laurentius Val. called Rome Babylon and the Pope Antichrist hee further said that the donation of Constantine was forged by the Popes themselues in such sort that hee opposed himselfe earnestly against the Popes by reason whereof being exciled he was very honourably receiued by the King of Naples Iohn Wickliffe did stoutly and worthily impugne and resist the Popedome in England Iohann Wickilf who was shortly after seconded by Iohn Hus Iohannes Hus. Hieron Prague and Ierome of Prague both which were imprisoned at the Councell of Constance and there were also burned for the profession of true religion So that finally an hundred yeeres after followed Martin Luther who more plainely expounded and layd open the true religion and openly encountred with the Popedome Now the principall Potentates of Christendome haue endeavoured in diverse sorts and manners to hinder and restraine the great multitude of them that haue imbraced or followed this doctrine Diuers examinations of Luthers doctrine For the Emperour Maximilian at Ausbureg in the yeere 1518. and Charles the fifth and Ferdinand with divers other Kings and Princes first of all the yeere 1520. at Wormes next the yeere 1523. at Noremberch afterwards the yeere 1529. at Spires after that the yeere 1530. at Auspurge againe and finally the yeere 1532. at Regensburge and the yeere 1540. at Hagenau All these Potentates aforesayd say the Reformed at these sundry times haue in part thēselues heard the remonstrance declaration of Luther made with his owne mouth in part caused his doctrine to bee examined by their owne Doctors But afterwards when they perceived that by all their banishment imprisonments and by all the fire and gibbets they could bring nothing to passe They were at length constrained to follow the counsell of Gamaliel The counsell of Gamaliel Act 5. who advised the Iewes to permit the Apostles to preach For if their worke were of men it would quickly come to naught but if it were of Goa they could not ouerthrow it Let every man then in like manner conclude or resolue of the religion of the Reformed Church In the meane while yee Kings Princes and all yee Inhabitants of the earth who desire to obtaine eternall salvation bee wise and well advised Serue the Lord with feare and reioyce in him with trembling Kisse the Sonne lest hee be angry and yee perish from the way When his wrath is kindled but a little blessed are all they that put their trust in him FINIS