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A04214 A defence of a treatise touching the sufferings and victorie of Christ in the worke of our redemption Wherein in confirmed, 1 That Christ suffered for vs, not only bodily griefe, but also in his soule an impression of the proper wrath of God, which may be called the paines of Hell. 2 That after his death on the crosse he went not downe into Hell. For answere to the late writings of Mr Bilson, L. Bishop of Winchester, which he intitleth, The effect of certaine sermons, &c. Wherein he striueth mightly against the doctrine aforesaid. By Henry Iacob minister of the worde of God. Jacob, Henry, 1563-1624. 1600 (1600) STC 14333; ESTC S103093 208,719 214

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same_o he_o be_v crucify_v touch_v his_o infirmity_n but_o live_v by_o the_o power_n of_o god_n his_o infirmity_n the_o text_n here_o name_v metonimical_o understand_v in_o christ_n that_o in_o which_o his_o infirmity_n be_v now_o his_o soul_n have_v infirmity_n of_o suffer_v in_o it_o as_o well_o as_o his_o body_n therefore_o his_o soul_n also_o be_v understand_v here_o that_o it_o be_v crucify_a and_o dye_v that_o be_v according_a to_o the_o condition_n thereof_o as_o likewise_o his_o body_n according_a to_o the_o condition_n thereof_o and_o thus_o that_o which_o paul_n call_v infirmity_n peter_n call_v flesh_n and_o that_o which_o paul_n call_v the_o power_n of_o god_n peter_n call_v the_o spirit_n that_o be_v his_o deity_n be_v set_v opposit_o in_o both_o these_o place_n to_o his_o whole_a humanity_n even_o to_o body_n and_o soul_n 4.13_o aug._n the_o 4.13_o to_o which_o purpose_n that_o place_n also_o to_o the_o rom._n the_o rom._n roman_n do_v serve_v where_o the_o like_a 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that_o he_o suffer_v it_o not_o ordinary_o after_o the_o manner_n of_o other_o man_n nor_o any_o way_n local_o h●_n have_v no_o necessary_a cause_n to_o speak_v of_o the_o 2._o sense_n thereof_o how_o the_o soul_n may_v be_v say_v to_o suffer_v death_n extraordinary_o for_o sin_n impute_v only_o neither_o do_v he_o speak_v against_o that_o in_o christ_n nay_o according_a to_o augustine_n own_o definition_n of_o the_o soul_n die_v it_o will_v easy_o appear_v that_o christ_n soul_n may_v be_v say_v to_o have_v suffer_v some_o kind_n of_o death_n 4._o de_fw-fr verh_fw-mi 〈◊〉_d ser_n ●0_n 〈◊〉_d trin._n 4._o say_v he_o a_o moritur_fw-la anima_fw-la si_fw-la recedit_fw-la deus_fw-la and_o b_o mors_fw-la est_fw-la spiritûs_fw-la deseri_fw-la à_fw-la
be_v not_o against_o christ_n own_o person_n but_o against_o the_o sin_n which_o by_o his_o office_n in_o his_o own_o person_n he_o sustain_v the_o sorrow_n and_o pain_n whereof_o touch_v his_o very_a person_n 2._o their_o punishment_n be_v partly_o in_o this_o life_n and_o partly_o eternal_a in_o the_o life_n to_o come_v but_o christ_n be_v temporary_a and_o only_a in_o this_o life_n 3._o their_o sin_n be_v inherent_a not_o forgive_v and_o just_o punish_v they_o have_v all_o the_o property_n and_o concomitant_n of_o sin_n inherent_a never_o forgive_v but_o in_o wrap_v in_o eternal_a punishment_n as_o these_o desperation_n the_o sting_n of_o conscience_n induration_n rejection_n malediction_n dereliction_n etc._n etc._n but_o in_o christ_n where_o no_o sin_n be_v inhaerent_a nor_o eternal_o punish_v there_o can_v utter_o be_v none_o of_o these_o 4._o they_o be_v pumish_v here_o &_o chief_o in_o hell_n the_o proper_a place_n of_o the_o damn_a hereafter_o but_o christ_n suffer_v only_o 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revenge_v sin_n in_o he_o so_o far_o as_o he_o be_v capable_a thereof_o therefore_o his_o punishment_n for_o that_o sin_n be_v a_o true_a proper_a &_o full_a punishment_n as_o they_o be_v namely_o as_o touch_v mere_a pain_n and_o be_v the_o effect_n of_o god_n proper_a wrath_n justice_n and_o vengeance_n as_o well_o on_o his_o soul_n as_o on_o his_o body_n &_o thus_o for_o the_o time_n it_o be_v even_o like_a as_o the_o suffering_n of_o the_o damn_a be_v 53.134_o ●a_n 53.134_o for_o *_o continuance_n of_o time_n in_o pain_n be_v not_o of_o the_o nature_n of_o hell_n pain_n or_o of_o god_n wrath_n 341._o pag._n 341._o nor_o yet_o to_o be_v in_o hell_n local_o as_o you_o wrong_o imagine_v but_o mere_a circumstance_n there_o of_o only_o thus_o the_o very_a nature_n of_o punishment_n for_o sin_n be_v but_o the_o feel_n of_o extreme_a pain_n from_o god_n hand_n whether_o for_o a_o time_n or_o for_o ever_o whether_o local_o in_o hell_n or_o ell_n where_o that_o neither_o alter_v nor_o 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that_o christ_n suffer_v in_o soul_n god_n wrath_n howbeit_o touch_v the_o sense_n we_o disagree_v in_o 2._o main_a point_n q●●●_n the_o i●●●_n the_o q●●●_n i_o affirm_v that_o christ_n suffer_v god_n proper_a wrath_n and_o vengeance_n you_o mean_v he_o suffer_v only_o such_o affliction_n as_o other_o godly_a man_n do_v suffer_v at_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o wicked_a and_o cruel_a world_n for_o 1●_n for_o pa._n 1●_n you_o think_v all_o affliction_n whatsoever_o small_a or_o great_a &_o towards_o whosoever_o be_v the_o effect_n of_o god_n wrath._n but_o that_o be_v not_o so_o except_o in_o a_o most_o unproper_a speech_n to_o the_o godly_a their_o affliction_n both_o small_a and_o great_a be_v god_n fatherly_a and_o gracious_a chastisement_n and_o no_o effect_n of_o his_o proper_a wrath_n as_o shall_v appear_v further_o hereafter_o howbeit_o you_o must_v observe_v here_o my_o 3._o limitation_n which_o i_o set_v down_o in_o the_o befor●_n the_o befor●_n quaestion_a 1._o i_o mean_v he_o 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on_o w●●●●gain_o sa●●_n christ_n ●●red_v i●●●_n only_a 〈◊〉_d from_o hi●_n but_o this_o be_v far_o great_a than_o as_o you_o hold_v that_o he_o suffer_v no_o more_o but_o mere_a bodily_a pain_n that_o be_v in_o his_o soul_n by_o &_o from_o his_o body_n this_o be_v your_o drift_n every_o where_o but_o i_o note_v these_o express_a place_n 16._o ●●g_v 16._o *_o sin_n which_o shall_v have_v wrought_v in_o we_o a_o eternal_a destruction_n both_o of_o body_n and_o soul_n can_v not_o far_o prevail_v in_o he_o but_o to_o the_o wound_n of_o his_o flesh_n and_o shed_v of_o his_o blood_n for_o the_o just_a &_o full_a satisfaction_n of_o all_o our_o sin_n even_o in_o the_o righteous_a and_o sincere_a judgement_n of_o god_n likewise_o your_o general_a title_n be_v the_o full_a redemtion_n of_o mankind_n
the_o holy_a thought_n and_o purpose_n of_o his_o mind_n but_o also_o to_o minister_v many_o outward_a occasion_n &_o to_o derive_v they_o to_o the_o mind_n whereby_o christ_n wrought_v righteousness_n complete_o and_o in_o his_o whole_a man_n that_o which_o be_v by_o cooperation_n and_o mutual_a cohaerence_n only_o of_o one_o part_n with_o the_o other_o as_o it_o be_v a_o distinct_a kind_n of_o work_v in_o the_o soul_n and_o in_o the_o body_n also_o so_o it_o be_v respect_v secondary_o and_o only_o because_o the_o true_a constitution_n of_o our_o nature_n require_v so_o which_o christ_n mean_v whole_o and_o perfect_o to_o take_v upon_o he_o whence_o now_o we_o may_v well_o argue_v as_o it_o be_v with_o he_o touch_v his_o faculty_n of_o do_v righteousness_n and_o obedience_n so_o it_o be_v and_o ought_v to_o be_v touch_v his_o suffer_a god_n punishment_n for_o us._n there_o be_v no_o reason_n in_o the_o world_n nor_o likelihood_n that_o the_o natural_a faculty_n in_o christ_n soul_n 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consequent_o even_o this_o be_v for_o our_o sin_n also_o namely_o because_o these_o wound_n be_v give_v he_o for_o our_o sin_n and_o thus_o though_o it_o make_v for_o our_o redemption_n in_o such_o manner_n as_o it_o wrought_v in_o christ_n because_o of_o our_o sin_n and_o as_o it_o be_v intend_v by_o christ_n in_o take_v both_o part_n of_o our_o nature_n the_o soul_n &_o the_o body_n yet_o this_o be_v not_o in_o a_o direct_a or_o immediate_a respect_n and_o so_o not_o proper_o but_o by_o consequent_a as_o i_o have_v show_v after_o a_o you_o charge_v i_o sore_o 252._o pag._n 252._o that_o i_o falsify_v your_o argument_n about_o receive_v pollution_n from_o adam_n for_o where_o b_o i_o frame_v your_o reason_n as_o ground_v on_o that_o opinion_n that_o only_o our_o flesh_n be_v derive_v from_o adam_n and_o not_o our_o soul_n 19_o treat_n 1._o pag._n 19_o 252._o pag._n 252._o c_o you_o renounce_v it_o utter_o and_o say_v you_o ground_v no_o reason_n upon_o that_o difficulty_n &_o so_o 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sin_n be_v derive_v unto_o us._n but_o you_o draw_v i_o to_o talk_v of_o these_o intricat_a thing_n which_o i_o will_v in_o no_o wise_n meddle_v with_o i_o pray_v keep_v 10._o keep_v pag._n 10._o your_o promise_n better_o not_o to_o meddle_v with_o this_o difficulty_n neither_o to_o make_v it_o any_o ground_n of_o your_o reason_n which_o yet_o you_o do_v here_o notwithstanding_o again_o you_o with_o one_o breath_n overthrow_v yourself_o for_o you_o say_v we_o have_v pollution_n before_o the_o soul_n come_v whence_o soever_o it_o come_v yea_o whence_o soever_o what_o if_o the_o soul_n do_v come_v in_o &_o by_o generation_n you_o see_v how_o you_o cross_v yourself_o who_o do_v so_o taunt_v i_o for_o this_o fault_n i_o hope_v altogether_o unjust_o then_o 25_o then_o pag._n 25_o you_o
fruit_n be_v sin_n even_o without_o and_o before_o the_o act_n of_o eat_v moreover_o other_o foul_a sin_n heresy_n turkism_n and_o atheism_n be_v commit_v and_o determine_v simple_o in_o the_o mind_n without_o any_o necessary_a employment_n of_o any_o part_n of_o the_o body_n as_o touch_v heresy_n to_o hold_v two_o first_o cause_n of_o thing_n a_o good_a and_o a_o bad_a god_n and_o the_o devil_n with_o manichee_n also_o that_o christ_n the_o redeemer_n be_v not_o god_n with_o arrius_n that_o the_o holy_a ghost_n be_v not_o god_n with_o eunomius_n &c_n &c_n that_o christ_n have_v no_o soul_n with_o apollinaris_n that_o christ_n manhood_n be_v confound_v and_o change_v into_o his_o godhead_n with_o eutyches_n or_o divide_v from_o his_o godhead_n with_o nestorius_n or_o the_o opinion_n of_o vbiquity_n or_o of_o transubstantiation_n final_o that_o there_o never_o be_v nor_o shall_v be_v any_o christ_n a_o redeemer_n as_o the_o turk_n hold_v that_o there_o be_v no_o god_n as_o the_o atheist_n now_o be_v there_o not_o many_o provocation_n to_o hatch_v and_o to_o conclude_v these_o opinion_n mere_o in_o the_o mind_n &_o soul_n of_o man_n be_v there_o not_o many_o pleasure_n even_o in_o these_o impiety_n mere_o in_o the_o mind_n yea_o it_o be_v evident_a to_o all_o that_o the_o mere_a thought_n the_o understanding_n &_o determination_n of_o the_o only_a soul_n of_o man_n do_v act_v they_o &_o resolve_v on_o they_o in_o itself_o without_o any_o concurrence_n or_o cooperation_n of_o the_o body_n therein_o happy_o you_o will_v say_v the_o soul_n take_v occasion_n so_o to_o think_v by_o some_o outward_a bodily_a thing_n before_o see_v or_o hear_v i_o deny_v not_o but_o the_o soul_n take_v occasion_n to_o think_v many_o thing_n by_o the_o bodily_a sense_n how_o be_v it_o not_o all_o thing_n simple_o and_o so_o be_v the_o father_n 255._o father_n ●prian_a and_o 〈◊〉_d 10._o in_o your_o ●●g_n 255._o here_o to_o be_v understand_v if_o any_o will_v stumble_v on_o that_o of_o 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the_o body_n further_o as_o the_o angel_n sin_v in_o the_o begin_n by_o their_o mere_a spiritual_a conceit_n against_o god_n so_o nothing_o let_v but_o that_o man_n in_o his_o angel-like_a nature_n the_o reasonable_a soul_n may_v sin_v likewise_o without_o any_o bodily_a mean_n thereunto_o also_o as_o we_o can_v think_v well_o without_o use_v our_o body_n god_n so_o inspire_v we_o so_o may_v we_o think_v ill_o which_o be_v sin_n our_o own_o inborn_a corrupt_a understanding_n and_o reason_n and_o will_n move_v we_o only_o moreover_o if_o i_o grant_v you_o this_o point_n of_o heathen_a philosophy_n that_o the_o soul_n take_v occasion_n to_o think_v all_o thing_n which_o she_o think_v universal_o from_o the_o body_n &_o bodily_a object_n yet_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o she_o take_v occasion_n to_o misthinke_v from_o thence_o always_o the_o proper_a provocation_n and_o pleasure_n of_o sin_n be_v oftentimes_o not_o outward_a at_o all_o but_o the_o mere_a perversitie_n and_o malignity_n 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