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A88838 An untaught teacher witnessed against. Or, The old bottles mouth opened, it's wine poured forth, drunk of drunkards, denyed of them who have tasted of the new. That is to say, the unsound, unseasoned, unsavory doctrines, and opinions of Matthew Caffyn, Baptist-teacher laid open, who in the county of Sussex, is cryed up to be as their battle axe, and weapon of warre, who as Jannes and Jambres rides aloft, and bestirs himself with the magick rod of his lies, slanders, aspersions, and unsound doctrines, labours to strengthen the hands of carnal professors, and to keep the beloved of God in bondage: ... Which doctrines, and unsavory speeches were received from his own mouth, part of them at a meeting of the people called Quakers, at Crowley in Sussex, others thereof at his own house neere South-water, before me and John Slee, upon the fifth day of the seventh moneth, 1655 ... / Tho: Lawson. John Slee. Lawson, Thomas, 1630-1691.; Slee, John. 1655 (1655) Wing L729; Thomason E854_12; ESTC R202688 20,795 30

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for he himselfe saith that he was made free from the law of sin and death before he tell of the righteousness of the law being fulfilled in him Rom. 8.1.2.3.4 and saith Paul I thorough the law which law hath power over a man so long as he lives and dead to the Law that I might live unto God Gal. 2.19 but neither Law nor Gospel thou knows who stumbles at seeing God and cryes out blasphemy when as Moses who received the perfect Law from God which is according to that of God in every ones conscience he saw God and till Moses death reigns there thou art And in as much as thou said that Paul said the righteousness of the Law was fulfilled in him and yet at the same time he was carnall sold under sin and found a Law in his Members warring against the Law of his minde leading him captive into sin and was a wretched man crying out who should deliver him from the body of death Rom. 7. I answer here another lie is found in thy mouth for he did not say the righteousness of the Law was fulfilled in him till the Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus had made him free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8.1.2 3 4 and he could not both be carnal led captive and have the body of death standing in him and yet be free from the body of sin and death all at one time this can in no wise be as thou would perswade people but whereas he speaks of himself being carnal sold under sin and led captive and the body of death not destroyed Rom. 7. here he declares unto them how it was with him in the time of his warfare Rom. 7.5 when we were in the flesh saith he then it was so and so then carnal but the Law spiritual then sold under sin then led captive then a wretched man then not delivered from the body of sin in the time of the Law it being weak through the flesh now here he declares to them what he had passed through and how it had been with him but at that time he saith he was delivered from the Law Rom. 7.6 so likewise from sin the Law being added because of transgressions and he at that time vvhen he vvrote unto the Romans an Epistle vvhich afterwards vvas turned into Chapter and verse by Tubal-Cain the cunning Artificer and Craft-man for the benefit of the Clergy vvhen this Epistle he vvrote he vvitnessed the power of God unto salvation Rom. 1.6 and the invvard Jew and circumcision inwardly Rom. 2.28 29. and that he vvas justified and had peace vvith God Rom. 5.1 and that the old man vvas crucified Rom. 6.6 and that they vvere not under the Lavv but under grace vvhich Lavv is because of transgressions Rom. 6.15 and that they vvere dead to the Lavv by the body of Christ Rom. 7.4 and none is dead to the Lavv but vvho is dead to sin his body sets none free from the Lavv but vvhom it sets free from sin and he saith he and they vvere delivered from the Lavv Rom. 7.6 so from sin because of vvhich the Lavv is added and he saith he vvas set free from sin and the righteousness of the Lavv vvas fulfilled in him Rom. 8.1.2 3 4. novv that he could vvitness these glorious conditions and grovvth in Christ Jesus and yet be carnal and fold under sin and led captive and groane under the body of death that I deny but it is the Doctrine of Matthew Caffyn vvho is a Baptist-Teacher so I leave it vvith him or any that ovvn him the same to prove and in Rom. 7.25 Paul said so then implying a condition and disposition which he had passed through then it was so and so and in the next verse he saith But now Rom. 8.1 therein he declares his present condition which was that he was set free from the Law of sin and death and the righteousness of the Law was fulfilled in him Rom. 8.1.2 3 4. Rom. 7.25 So then Who is not blind may see Rom. 8.1.2 But now Who hath an eare may heare To the 7th Chapter of Pauls Epistle to the Romans do all unsavory Professors Priests and people fly and unto it run as unto a Bulwark for a cover to continue in sin and corr●ption while they remain upon earth which will stand them in no stead so two Propositions shall I lay down and if the Devil in any profession or Matthew Caffyn be offended at what I have spoken concerning that Chapter which all Professions take hold on for a shelter for their iniquity let them appear in writing that truth may come to light and lies be searched out and not back-bite grumble and grudge and run up and down slandering and railing and crying out that we hold forth damnable Doctrines and Heresies But do not so that is not honest that is the nature of Night-birds and Screech-owls who scratch in the dark so Matthew Caffyn prove thy Doctrines else throw down thy Crowns and own that in thy Conscience which shews thee thy enmity against the truth the Lord is taking unto himself him great power even the Almighty who was is and is to come to reign over all and the Nations are angry and combine together against the Lord and against his anointed yet upon the holy hill of Sion will hee his Sonset the hill of God is as the hill of Bashan an high hill this is the hill in which God delights to dwell yea in it he will dwell for ever and all hills shall tremble before it even before his hill who is setting the solitary in families and bringing out those which are bound in Chains he is beating the wicked one out of all his Bulwarks and fenced walls and high Towers and in Israel doth God appoint for Walls and Bulwarks even salvation so make not lies your refuge and plead not for sin which is a wall of separation between God and man 1. That Paul was not carnall and sold under sin nor led captive into sin nor the body of death undelivered from which is made mention of Rom. 7. when he said the Law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus had made him free from the Law of sin and death Rom. 8.1 2 3 4. That at that time when Paul wrote to the Romans and spoke of being carnal and sold under sin c. Rom. 7. that he spoke not of his present condition but how it had been with him formerly in the time of his warfare which was then accomplished and the body of death put off and he set free from sin Rom. 8.1.2 3 4. 31. Matthew Caffyn said I spoke errour when I said no man did further witness the Scripture fulfilled in him than he was grown up in that spirit which gave it forth the same also I now say and prove it to be errour if thou can but the wise in heart will not take thy words for a Gospel-proof who hast uttered forth so many lies and did give me these words under thy own hand-writing That the Scripture doth so farre reveal God and Christ to a Creature as that he walking up to its Revelation to his lives end with a single heart shall be eternally saved I say thy Ministry teaches not singlenesse in the one spirit but thou would have all shroud themselves in thy Form to their lives end and in the deceit of the world and then tells them of being saved now he to whom the true Ministry was committed said 2 Tim. 1.9 they were saved Tit. 3.5 Thou would have people wrapt up in thy Form all their lives that thou among them may have preheminence and tells them of salvation afterward when as no unclean thing must enter into the Kingdom as the Tree falls so it lies This have I written as touching particulars received from M. Caffyn part in writing and part from his mouth and God who is the Judge of all is my witness herein that I have not added to what was spoken by him so be ashamed thou blind guide and prove thy Doctrines else be silent and give over teaching others who thy self art untaught mind that in thy conscience which shews the sin and evil and let it stop thy mouth see thy own confusion glory not in Babylon a building by thy own fingers in thy own imaginations the Kingdom thou art departed from the measure which shews the evil thou disobeys and from men thou art driven and thy dwelling is amongst the Beasts of the field and thou art pushing with thy horn and power against the Lambs and upon the grasse thou art feeding there is thy state not only seven times but ever except the light which shines in thy Conscience thou own that by it thou may be led out of darkness up to Christ who for that end gave thee a measure to profit withall doth not a man whose eyes are open know a beast by one mark how many marks doth thou here beare which God gives his Children victory over therefore cease thy prateing with malitious words against that which thou knows not and come out of deceit and the worlds vanities which thou sticks in contrary to that in thy conscience therefore be warned thou who spreads thy self as the Bramble-bush and obey that in thy conscience which shews the sin and evil for fire is in the bush though thou be not aware of it resist not that in thy Conscience by which God calls thee and secretly checks thee that out of the evil of the world thou may come God who is a consusuming fire will awake for his own glory and his fire he will kindle which all thorns bryars and brambles shall consume prize the day of thy visitation A Lover of thy soul Thomas Lawson THE END
eyes true it is the old man dreams Dreams but Sons and Daughters prophesie and Iob saw God while he was in the flesh but not with fleshly eyes Iob 42.5.6 mine eye now seeth thee said Iob but thy right eye must be plucked out and cast from thee else not know that eye which sees him who is invisible Heb. 11.23.24 25 26 27. 23. He said by the person of Christ no man comes to the Father I answer how long will the Nations be led by such blind guids as this who saith by the person of Christ no man comes to the Father when as Christ said no man comes to the Father but by me John 14.6 herein he denies the true way so is Antichrist let all who are simple judge whether this fellow lead towards God or from God who denies Christ to be the way so is a Thief and a Robber who denies the door so is climbing another way John 10.1 and Heb. 7.25 he is able to save to the uttermost such as come to God by him now thou denies him and saith he is not the way will any be so bewitched as to run after thee or such like O shameless teacher and without understanding who art so drunk with the Cup of abhomination as that thou staggers reeles stumbles and spews out thy own shame and denies the Lord who hath put a price into thy hand but it and him thou denies and no other Way but him we own who lighteth every man that comes into the world which thou denies and walks not in it is a way of holiness the unclean the Lyon the Beasts of the Forrest walk not in this way and thou who bears the Image of the earthly denies him who is the expresse Image of his Fathers person Heb. 1.3 24. He said Christ was ascended into Heaven and is now sitting in Heaven with a body of flesh and blood with the very same body of flesh and blood with the which he did eat broyled fish among his Disciples I answer thou art an Image-maker and knowes not his body which sets free from the Law and from the body of sin Rom 7.4 and thou who lives in lies in the Customs and fashions of the world and in deceitful wayes contrary to that in thy conscience knowes not the body of Christ so art doting dreaming framing forming and imagining and setting up Images and likenesses in thy sensual wisdom of persons and places which who know his body from these things are redeemed Ephes 5.23 He is the Saviour of the body and his body sets free from sin and the Law if thou have an eare thou may heare Ephes 4.9.10 Now that he ascended what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth and no man ascended into Heaven but he that came down from Heaven even the Son of man which is in Heaven John 3.13 And flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God 1 Cor. 15.50 yet are we members of his body of his flesh and of his bones Ephes 5.30 Go learn what these things mean and thou that sayes he is in Heaven with a body of flesh and blood opposes the Apostle who was an eye witness of his Majesty who said flesh and blood must not inherit c. and said Christ glorifie thou me O Father with thine own selfe with the glory which I had with thee before the world was John 17.5 and Christs glorious body we own Phil. 3.21 so deny thee and thy Images and thy vulturs eye and the Eggs which thou Cocatrice hatches and the spiders webb which thou weaves which thy nakedness cannot cover Isay 59.5.6 call not this railing for a name thou must have according to thy nature whose lips speak lies whose tongue mutters perversenesse who trusts in vanity and pleads not for the truth but against it saying thou wilt root the Ministers of the truth out of these parts the marks of them thou beares that Isa spoke of Isa 59.1 2.3 4 5 6. 25. Matthew Caffyn said God did not dwell in any creature but his Spirit did I answer here thou would make good a lier who hath said I will dwell in them and walk in them 2 Cor. 6.16 Ephes 2.22 they were an habitation of God through the Spirit this thou stumbles at disputes and cavills against who art a stranger and a forrainer and an enemy to the houshould of God 1 Cor. 3.16.17 ye are the temple of God and the temple of God is holy which temple ye are Rev. 21.3 the Tabernacle of God is with men and he will dwell with them and who are of God this witness and witness against thee and know t●ee to be without God in the world who imagines God to be one where and his Spirit another where when as God is a Spirit and the Spirit Ioh. 4.24 2. Cor. 3.17 whosoever confesses in truth that Jesus is the Son of God God dwelleth in him and he in God 1 Iohn 4.15 26. He said no man while he is upon earth is in the Kingdom and that the chiefe of Saints have but by promise I answer thou art a bundle of lies and what hast thou to do to meddle with the Saints or talke of their inheritance who art prophane Esau selling thy birth-right for the earth who contrary to the light acts so a child of disobedience art thy fruits make thee manifest and with Iacob thou hast no inheritance who said he was a Minister of the Spirit he also said that they were translated into the Kingdom of his deare Son Col. 1.13 and the Saints were raised up and set together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus Ephes 2.6 and if any come to know the life of the holy men of God and beare witness to their conditions thou spreads thy armes abrode crying out of blasphemy heresie damnable doctrines so might thou have said of them who gave out the Scripture which was given to be fulfilled not for a heard of swine to feed on what hast thou to do to talke of the Saints who armes thy selfe with arguments against such as grow up in the life which translated them into the Kingdom so be a witness against thy selfe that thou art out of the Kingdom which is a Kingdom of light and by the light art found out among the Cocatrices Night-birds Cormorants Bitterns Owls Ravens Dragons Wildebeasts Satyrs Vulturs Scritch-owls ownthy mates who art pleading against possessing the Kingdom 27. He said no man upon earth sees Christ he said he had not seen Christ and when I asked him if he had seen God he cryed out of blasphemy I answer here thou art a witness against thy selfe that thou art one of them who hast eies but sees not Math. 13.15 Moses saw God Exo. 33.11.23 and death reigns till Moses so in thee death reignes so what hast thou to profess Abraham saw the day of the Son of man and was glad Iohn 8 56. and God appeared unto him and talked with him Gen.