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A57809 The Quakers refuge fixed upon the rock of ages, though the swelling waters dash never so violently to overturn it wherein is prov'd, that the narrative of Ralph James is an absolute lying-wonder, according to his own definition : and also, the great controversie between the people of God called Quakers, and others, about the holy spirit of God and the Scriptures, truly stated, and very briefly discoursed, as it is owned by the Quakers, and the truth cleared from the false suggestions and deceitful insinuatins of the anabaptists about the said controversie : in answer to a subtil pamphlet, lately published, intituled, The Quakers subterfuge or evasion overturned : also a few queries propounded unto Ralph James, and the author of the subterfuge &c. / by Robert Ruckhill ; to which is added another postscript in answer to some queries propounded in the said pamphlet, wherein many untruths are suggested ; but herein the truth is cleared, and the evasion and deceit of the Baptists made more fully manifest by John Whitehead. Ruckhill, Robert.; Whitehead, John, 1630-1696. 1673 (1673) Wing R2169; ESTC R21457 28,153 51

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nay then shew when that Precept was abrogated and if yea then whether are not they that call and are called Mr. Ralph James Mr. Ben. Morley Mr. John Green c. Breakers of that plain Command and being guilty of that are guilty of all notwithstanding their Water-Baptism Let these Queries be answered plainly and in sound words and think not to solve one Query by propounding another R. R. Another Postscript TO RALPH JAMES And those which have taken part with him by JOHN WHITEHEAD AS in a Postscript annexed to the Answer to your Narrative of the Eminent Hand of God that besel a Quaker and his Family called Richard Anderson at the Town of Panton in Lincolnshire I queried and that upon just Grounds Why thou and thy Brethren had conspired together to utter a Slander and Reproach against the People of God called Quakers in affirming Richard Anderson to be one of them And again in a Book intituled The Quakers Subterfuge or Evasion Overturned ye have given me just Ground to say How long will you make Lyes your Refuge and under Falshood seek to cover your Selves For instead of Answering what was Righteously and Reasonably propounded to you which ye should have done if ye would have approved your selves Innocent Men ye have utterred more deceitful and pernicious Slanders against me as is manisest in your Anti-queries to me whilst ye have utterly declined proving your former not being able to mention one of the People of God called Quakers that ever owned Richard Anderson nor any of their Meetings to which he did belong nor who of them he did ever joyn with in the Worship of God nor any thing in Proof That his Child was smitten with Leprosie nor himself and Family with a grievous Malady saving his own word whom you conclude was a false Prophet and deluded Creature both subject to speak and believe Lyes And therefore your Narrative and ye are justly fallen under Censure having no better Foundation whereon to stand then the Testimony of a Simple Deluded Man whom ye have manifest to be a Lying Prophet which Testimony ye have by cross Examination if not Subornation obtained and therefore not any can give credit to it but such as are willing to believe a thing because a Lying Ignorant Man saith it who hath unsaid it again before many Witnesses as before is manifest And therefore I shall not further insist upon it but proceed to answer your Anti-Queries In the first of which ye affirm that I hold That the Gospel was never Preached in England till George Fox preached it and then queries Whether I did not assert it thereby manifesting your Rashness and Injustice who first Condemn and then make Enquiry not being able to prove what ye have charged me with For sure I am That I never thought that George Fox was the first that ever preached the Gospel in England and therefore have been far from affirming it for there have been Openings and Breakin gs forth of the Gospel Light and Power in divers Ages in England in a Despised Suffering Remnant though not in that Fulness a● in our Age. I am also sensible ever since I knew God or was acquainted with him how the Glorious Gospel was preached to or in every Creature which is under Heaven Col. 1.23 and it s own Light shined in Men's Hearts as the Apostles testified in their dayes about which time there were also Witnesses of that Glorious Gospel came to preach it in this Island according to History who turned People from Darkness to Light as we do and from Satan's power to the Power of God in which Power a Remnant have been preserved through Ages and Generations though many who have got the Form have denyed the Power and reproached and perfecuted those which have been in the Power Light and Life which the Apostles and primitive Christians were in From which Power Light and Life there hath been an Apostacy so that Darkness has covered the Earth gross Darkness has bin upon the generallity of People who have been estranged from the Life of the Prophets and Apostles and primitive Christians Martyrs of Jesus since which Apostacy or Falling away from the Life which the Witnesses and Martyrs of Jesus were in George Fox was the first stable Minister of the true Light in this Age that God raised up in his Power to turn People from Darkness to the True Light and from Satan's power to God unto which he first and many more since in these latter dayes have given witness That he lighteth every Man that cometh into the World that all through him might believe and receive the Remission of Sins And in this Gospel I have Laboured and not in vain and of it am not ashamed for it is the Power of God to Salvation in all them that believe Though unto those that are Disobedient it is a Stone of Stumbling and Rock of Offence And 't is no marvel that those which stumble at the Word which is nigh in their Hearts and are unsensible of its Power and Virtue stumble at the Testimony which is given of it by those which have felt and handled it and do know 't is the same Glorious Gospel which in the Apostles dayes shined in their Hearts and gave them the Knowledge of the Glory of God in the Face of Jesus Christ and this Treasure they had and we have in Earthen Vessels that the Excellency of the Power may be of God to whom be the Praise forever 2 Cor. 4.6 7. Secondly thou enquirest whether he that holds that nothing which was mortal was called Christ doth not thereby deny the Death of Christ thereby intimating that I asserted That nothing which was Mortal was called Christ But what Occasion thou Thomas Grantham who was then my Opposite and I am perswaded Opposite to Truth it self gavest me to speak Words to that Purpose with other Words that did declare my Sence of them thou sayest nothing nor hast thou been so ingenuous as to declare what I writ many Years ago to William Smith of Elshem to be communicated to thee and thy Brethren wherein the Truth of what I said in that Case also the other whereupon thou groundest thy third Query concerning Christs having no Body of Flesh as thou imaginest besides his Church is made apparent and therefore I shall here insert the substance of it seeing it stands upon thy Head unanswered so that the intelligent Reader may understand that he who sayeth that I told him nothing which was mortal was called Christ hath both wronged me and the Truth it self by relating some of my Words out of that Order and Sence wherein they were spoken as also in that he hath left out and not declared the rest of my Words which were spoken at the same Time whereby the true Sence of those Words which he relates might and may be understood and therein he hath shewed First That his Mind is so prejudic'd and by assed against us