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A66588 The spirit of delusion reproved, or, The Quakers cause fairly heard and justly condemned being an answer to William Penn, George Fox, George Whitehead, George Keith, Edward Burroughs, and several other the most leading men amongst them : wherein their horrid perversion and false and dangerous interpretations of above 50 distinct texts of Holy Scriptures are plainly evinced / by Thomas Wilson, rector of Arrow in Warwick-shire. Wilson, Thomas, 17th cent. 1678 (1678) Wing W2938; ESTC R33673 83,618 179

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cannot mean the Spirit of Prophecy because all have it not in themselves nor is it the Will of God they should for he dispences the gifts of the Spirit severally to one Wisdom to another Miracles to another Prophecy 1 Cor. 12. Let me hear you say all men Heathens as well as Christians have the Spirit of Prophecy in their Hearts which testifies of Jesus and Prophesies of him speaks of things to come of his Name his Servants his worship his Enemies his Kingdom and Church as it spake testified and prophesied in the Angel and the Apostle as appears by the whole Book G. F. Truth and Deceit p. 10. To all as stumble at the silent waiting upon the Lord. Hear what Isaiah saith Sit thou in silence get thou in darkness O Daughter of the Caldeans thou shalt no more be called Lady of Kingdoms Isa. 47.5 You must witness silence before you come to speak For when the Devil was cast forth the Dumb spake Let the Lips be put to silence that spake grievous and proud things contemptuously against the Righteous All you lying Lips that speak contemptuous things against the Righteous you are to be put to silence before you speak Ps. 31.18 Kir of Moab was brought to silence because he was in the Night Isa. 15.1 In all these places Destruction and Misery that which is to be dreaded is meant by silence and not waiting upon the Lord which is desireable and which we are exhorted unto In Isa. 47.5 it is manifest from the latter words Sit thou in silence get thee in darkness thou shalt no more be called Lady of Kingdoms And from vers 1. Come down and Sit in the Dust O Virgin Daughter of Babylon sit on the Ground there is no Throne O Daughter of the Caldeans for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate In the other of Isaiah it is likewise manifest from the Text it self which if you had cited it fully would have discovered your abuse Chap. 15.1 The Burden of Moab because in the Night Kir of Moab is laid waste and brought to silence As clear is it in that of the Psalmist Let the Wicked be ashamed and let them be silent in the Grave Let the lying Lips be put to silence which speak grievous things and contemptuously against the Righteous Ps. 31.17 18. Doth this signifie they must wait on the Lord in the silence of their Souls before they speak Or doth it not signifie they shall be punished As Ps. 12.3 The Lord shall cut off all Flattering Lips and the Tongue that speaketh proud things Vers. 5. For the oppression of the Poor now will I arise saith the Lord I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him And Ps. 52.4.5 Thou lovest all devouring words O thou deceitful Tongue God shall likewise destroy thee for ever He shall destroy thee for ever He shall take thee away and pluck thee out of thy dwelling place and root thee out of the land of the living Such is the silence before spoken of as when the Psalmist saith Vnless the Lord had been my help my Soul had almost dwelt in silence Psal. 94.17 G. F. General Epistle p. 10. The Apostle saith Tongues must cease Then that which makes as you say Orthodox Divines must cease And in the same place he saith Prophecies shall fail and knowledge shall vanish away 1 Cor. 13.8 And then that which you say makes Orthodox men and Divines must cease So that the Apostle speaks no more against Tongues than against Prophecy and knowledge Ibid. p. 10.11 The word which was in the beginning is called the word of Reconciliation by this word are men sanctified and made clean which is Christ whose name is called The Word of God True his Name is the Word of God but his name is not the Word of Christ and yet something is so called Say Christ is the Word of Christ and prove there is no incongruity in that saying Christ is manifestly distinguished from his word as every man is from what he speaks and teaches as the Philosopher is from his institutes For it is called his Word his Doctrine his sayings that which he spake with his lips and the people heard with their ears Joh. 15.20 14.23 24. 7.16 8.31 And the same is the Word through which the Text says men were made clean it being in the very terms clearly distinguished from himself Joh. 15.3 Now are ye clean through the word which I have spoken unto you Which is no more Himself than Blessed are the Merciful the poor in Spirit the pure in Heart Love your Enemies ask and you shall receive believe on me and whatsoever else he taught is himself For thus you read again Joh. 4.41.42 Many more believed because of his own word and said unto the woman Now we believe not because of thy saying for we have heard him our selves c. 8.30 As he spake these words many believed on him Jam. 1.18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of Truth Such also is the word of Reconciliation committed unto the Apostles viz. The doctrine of the Gospel which they had heard and learned of Christ and had also received by the inspiration of his Spirit and Preached unto the world as is likewise manifest from the Text 2 Cor. 5.18 God hath reconciled us unto himself by Jesus Christ and hath given to us the Ministry of Reconciliation Which is the same as He hath committed unto us the word of Reconciliation And what that is you may understand by this which follows We pray you in Christ's stead be ye reconciled to God for he hath made him to be sin for us who knew no sin that we might be made the righteousness of God in him Go said he Preach the Gospel to all Nations teach them to observe whatsoever I have commanded you He that Believeth and is Baptised shall be Saved And told them that Repentance and Remission of Sins should be Preached in his Name Accordingly they Preached Act. 13.38 39. Be it known unto you that through this man is Preached to you the forgiveness of Sins and by him all that believe are justified from all things from which they could not be justified by the Law of Moses Act. 2.38 Repent and be Baptised in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of Sins They laboured in the Word and Doctrine and exhorted the Believers that the word of Christ should dwell in them richly By all this you may understand what is the word of Reconciliation committed to the Apostles the word of Christ the word which he spake through which his Disciples were made clean and may learn to distinguish it from himself Farnsw Priest's Ignorance p. 4.5 The Teachers of the world say that the Spirit is the Letter and they are inseparable when the Spirit saith The Letter killeth and is Death And thou who wouldest raise the Spirit out of the dead Letter art a Conjurer They say that Salvation
they taught the word as that the word taught them As is evident by the reading of almost any two connext verses in the Psalm and especially those single ones which contein both words for that where they thus occur there is no difference to be discerned As vers 16. I will delight my self in thy Statutes I will not forget thy word vers 160. Thy word is true from the begining and every one of thy Righteous judgments endureth for ever Vers. 172. My Tongue shall speak of thy word for all thy Commandments are Righteous That what is spoken of the word of the Lord in this Psalm cannot agree to a written and spoken word to such Promises Statutes Judgments Law and that Christ of necessity must be understood I believe you will no sooner prove than that Thou shalt not Kill There is one God Trust in the Lord God forgiveth Sins He will bless thee And the like Commandments Promises and Doctrines were not written and spoken and that they are Christ and they Created Heaven and Earth And that such is the word here is again manifest enough in that David says I will keep it and meditate in it My Tongue shall speak of it For all thy Commandments are Righteous One thing more I will inform you of viz. That Word in several places of this Psalm signifies Gods Promise and particularly to David As vers 65. Thou hast dealt well with thy Servant according to thy word Vers. 170. Deliver me according to thy Word Vers. 49. Remember thy word unto thy Servant upon which thou hast caused me to hope Vers. 38. Stablish thy word unto thy Servant Compare herewith 2 Sam. 23.5 Although my house be not so with God yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant ordered in all things and sure And Chap. 7.25 The word which thou hast spoken concerning thy Servant and concerning his house establish it for ever And that was this Vers. 12. I will set up thy Seed after thee and establish his Kingdom My mercy shall not depart away from him Now is this word Christ Did this Word create Heaven and Earth This I will set up thy Seed c And was it not an outward word spoken by Nathan Ibid. p. 69. Pro. 6.24 Reproofs of instruction are the way of Life to keep thee from the evil Woman That is the false deceitful Whorish Spirit the Spirit of this World which bewitches the whole Earth That it is a real Woman I am as sure as that any Whore in England is a Woman For the discourse being continued thus it is said Vers. 29. He that goeth in to his Neighbour's Wife shall not be innocent Vers. 32 33 34. Whoso committeth Adultery with a Woman lacketh understanding A wound and dishonour shall he get for Jealousy is the Rage of a Man therefore he will not spare in the day of Vengeance And thus Chap. 7. where the same Woman is spoken of as appears vers 5. She caught the Young man and Kissed him and said I have decked my Bed with Tapestry and perfumed it with Myrrhe come let us take our fill of Love until the Morning for the Goodman is not at home c. Now prove you if you can that the Holy Ghost meaneth by the Whorish Woman in this place a Whorish Spirit the Spirit of error If I should say Heb. 13.4 Whoremongers and Adulterers God will Judge that is Idolaters I believe my reason would be as good as yours For yours I question not is because St. John in the Revelations speaks of a Whore of Babylon and mine would be because Ezekiel in his Prophecy speaks of committing Adultery with Idols and going a Whoring after the Heathen But then he that readeth what goeth before my Text viz. Marriage is honourable in all and the Bed Vndefiled would wonder at my interpretation So no less may he wonder at yours when he reads what follows your Text viz. He that goeth into his Neighbour's Wife c. Or if this be not the reason of your Interpretation produce what is and I question not but I can give you as good for mine And so likewise for this other Pro. 31.4 It is not for Kings to drink Wine that is the Wine of Fornication which the Whore of Babylon poureth forth the Doctrine of the false Prophet Ibid. p. 75. The seven Spirits of God are one Spirit Angels are spirits And as it is said of these seven that they stand before the Throne and are sent forth into the Earth Rev. 1.4 and 5 6. So is the same said of Angels Chap. 5.11 Heb. 1.14 Now whether St. John mean by these seven Spirits Angels or the Holy Ghost is to be considered And 1 to say that the Holy Ghost stands before the throne seems harsh and we read not so elsewhere 2 They are called Angels Chap. 8.2 I saw the seven Angels that stood before God Which refers to the seven Spirits oft before mentioned as standing before the Throne Chap. 5.6 and 4.5 and 1.4 Ibid. p. 6.7 The Seed and Birth of God is not an Accident but a substance It is not a particle of the God-head but it is of the Heavenly Spiritual and Invisible substance and being that is the most Glorious being and principle in which God as Father Son and Holy Ghost doth dwell and tabernacle and shine forth in the most Glorious Brightness Beauty Sweetness and Majesty that the noblest of Creatures in the highest supernatural elevation can reach unto behold him and have fellowship with him which is the Holy of Holies and the Heaven of Heavens or that third Heaven in which Paul on Earth saw and felt things unutterable And out of these Heavens c. Of your opinion that the new birth is a substance and of that spiritual substance in which God dwells the Heaven of Heavens perhaps I may speak another time As to your interpretation of 2. Cor. 12.2 1 Why say you St. Paul was on Earth when he heard the unspeakable words when he tells you that himself knew not for his words are these I knew a Man whether in the Body I cannot tell or whether out of the Body I cannot tell God knoweth Such an one caught up to the third Heaven Which must signifie whether this was really done or whether it was only a vision he knew not 2 But suppose he was really caught up in the Body which for ought any man knows he was how could that be if he remained still on Earth and was not removed an inch from his place 3 And yet how caught up 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 even unto the third Heaven which signifies the greatest distance and yet not removed for according to your Opinion Heaven is as near to us as our own Souls for where the new Birth is there it is that birth being as you say of the same spiritual substance in which God dwells which is Heaven 4 And then St. Paul having that Birth before was in Heaven before he was caught
and then I go unto him that sent me Ye shall seek me and shall not find me and where I am thither ye cannot come i. e. Ye cannot come unto God in Heaven and dwell there with him and me or ye cannot be saved For thus says he again to them Chap. 8.21 Ye shall Die in your Sins Whither I go ye cannot come So that you may as well say that the Saints on Earth see the Kingdom of Heaven i. e. are entred into it and are possessed of eternal Life which yet we are told they receive in the World to come Chap. 33.5.15.16 Luk. 18.30 as that they are where Christ is beholding his Glory whilst they remain likewise upon Earth For hear further what he says which will again shew you his mind Chap. 14.2.3 In my Father's house are many Mansions I go to prepare a place for you I will come again and receive you unto my self that where I am there you may be also Which is to be taken up into Heaven really at Christ's coming to judge the World when the Dead shall rise According as his Apostle speaks 1 Thes. 4. The Lord shall descend from Heaven and the Dead in Christ shall rise first then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the Clouds to meet the Lord in the Air and so shall we ever be with the Lord. You might also have observed a difference betwixt Christ's being with us in our hearts and our being with him in Heaven Which is as much as betwixt the Sun's being with us here below which is by its Beams and influences and our being with it above which cannot be without our local ascent I again desire the Reader to remember that these Men pretend to be Prophets and to Write by Inspiration and not to interpret nor so much as make use of Scripture but as the Holy Ghost leadeth and to judge all along as he readeth whether they have so done as knowing that that Spirit is not the Author of any falsity or folly and to remember withal that my present business is only concerning the Interpretations of Scripture which may be monstrously false and ridiculous though no error in Doctrine should be asserted As if I should say Mat. 1.1 The Book of the Generation of Jesus Christ the Son of David The Book is the Soul of Man in which is written good or evil according to which every one shall be judged Here Jesus Christ is to be formed in the heart I Travel in Birth again till Christ be formed in you And he is truely the Son of David sits upon the Throne whose Kingdom is here within comes not with observation and hath no end And where he is thus begotten and formed and thus ruleth there he is Jesus which is by interpretation a Saviour Who I say can condemn this Doctrine But who reading what follows the words which I have thus descanted upon viz. The Son of Abraham Abraham begat Isaac The Birth of Jesus was on this wise when as his Mother Mary was espoused to Joseph c. Would not count me an idle Fellow and conclude that I have grossely erred and was in no wise assisted by the Holy Ghost to Interpret thus Or should I say The Son of Man shall come in the Glory of the Father and shall sit upon the Throne of his Glory and before him all Nations shall be gathered and he shall separate the Sheep from the Goats Now he is upon his Throne judging the World in his glory hath he appeared manifesting himself in great power to his Saints and the Sheep have heard his voice and follow him follow the Lamb that sitteth upon the Throne wheresoever he goeth the Righteous and Pure and Harmless are separated from the Goats the Unclean and Carnal Who I pray you could condemn me for error But I believe some that mind the Text Mat. 25. would think I had a little Madness a pure Fanatick Brain and was temerarious and ignorant they seeing it accompanied with these expressions Then shall the King say to them on his Right Hand come ye Blessed of my Father Inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the Foundation of the World And to them on his Left Hand Depart ye Cursed into everlasting Fire prepared for the Devil and his Angels Im. Revel p. 77. And the other Apostles pointed at the same principle in the heart James saith Chap. 5.9 Grudge not against one another Brethren lest ye be condemned Behold the Judge standeth before the Door Christ standeth by at the Door If ye grudge he will hearken the least motion of that nature and condemn it by his light which shineth in your Consciences But 1 How read you before vers 1. c. Go to now ye Rich Men Weep and Houl for your Miseries which shall come upon you Your Riches are Corrupted The Hire of the Labourers which have Reaped down your Fields which of you is kept back by Fraud Crieth and the Cries are entred into the Ears of the Lord of Sabaoth Ye have Killed the Just. Be Patient therefore Bretheren unto the coming of the Lord. Stablish your Hearts for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh What is more plain than as these Sins were committed the coming of the Lord meaneth to execute Judgment for the same As is expressed Weep for your Miseries which shall come upon you And is signified again by those other Words The Cries have entred into the Ears of the Lord of Sabaoth Which is to say he hath heard and he will avenge Next follow the Words in debate Grudge not Brethren one against another lest ye be Condemned Behold the Judge standeth before the Door Which is the same as the coming of the Lord draweth nigh And that the whole context hath shewed us to be to Punish for Sin So that Lest you be Condemned must mean Lest you also be punished with these evil doers Which is quite another thing than to be Condemned by the Light in the Conscience 2 And indeed who can believe but that the Apostle deterrs them from Sin by a greater Argument than the Condemnation of the Light within them the Condemnation of their own Hearts the reproof of their Conscience As if he only said Grudge not one against another lest you be reproved by the Light of Christ in you Behold the Judge standeth before the Door and he will so reprove you Especially when he speaks of the coming of the Lord against Sinners after another manner than by conviction of their Consciences of a most dreadful time of Vengeance and that a peculiar time such an one as is not always whereas Christ's reproving by his Light within is common to all times Lest you should think because it is said Lest ye be Condemned conviction of mind must therefore be meant and not any external Punishment I observe to you that external punishment is frequently meant by the same Word As you find 1 Cor. 11.32 2 Pet.
his Religion for ought we know all depending as the History of the Gospel shews us upon his being made the Son of Man In Conscience can you say that to deny all this doth nothing advantage Antichrist's Kingdom Or to confess it all it being our right Faith doth nothing hinder his Kingdom and advantage Christs Wherefore then hath Christ given us this Faith Will not Antichrist deny Christ's coming in his Flesh that he may frustrate all the benefits that proceed from thence and spoil our whole belief on him You may be sure he will if he can do it by any means handsomly either covertly or more openly as he sees he can prevail and that he hath done it you shall see anon No but say you He will not deny his bodily appearance at Jerusalem being he knows it will never harm his Kingdom so to confess him come provided Christ's Kingdom be not set up in the heart If this be right I may likewise say Nor will the Devil deny God being he knows to confess him will never harm his Kingdom provided God be not worshipped Upon this account I begin to conjecture that by and by we shall indeed have no Antichrist For it may likewise be said Neither will he deny Christ's coming from Heaven his Divinity his being the Son of God and the Christ being he knows it will never harm his Kingdom so to confess him provided Christ's Kingdom be not set up in the heart Yet he is said to be the Liar that denieth Jesus to be the Christ and the Son of God 1 Joh. 2. Who then at last is Antichrist He say you That denies him the Son come in the revelation of himself in the heart But say I again Nor will Antichrist deny this seeing to confess him so come will never harm his Kingdom provided yet Christ's Kingdom be not set up there So that it is come to pass as I feared it would that at this rate we have no Antichrist neither one nor other And it were happy for us if he were thus whifled out of the world But hereby the vanity of your proviso appears Say we then bluntly without any proviso at all as St. John doth He truly is this wicked Antichrist that either denies Christ come in his Flesh or denies him to be the Christ or denies him to be the Son of God You say further Every Spirit that confesseth Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh is of God But the Pope and his train and the vilest Sinners have confessed Christ come in the Flesh at Jerusalem yet are not of God So say I Whosoever confesseth Jesus to be the Son of God and the Christ is of God is Born of him and God dwelleth in him and he in God you know the same St. John likewise asserts it But the Pope and his Train and the vilest Sinners have confessed Jesus to be the Son of God and the Christ and yet are not of God nor are Born of him nor dwell in him nor he in them Yet for all this he that confesses not Jesus to be the Christ is Antichrist as the same divine Author also asserts and therefore likewise so may he be and so say I still notwithstanding your reasoning he is that confesses him not come in his Flesh at Jerusalem Yes and hear you again the Pope and his Train and the vilest Sinners have and do confess that Christ come in the Hearts of his Saints yet are they not of God If you mean or shall so reply they resist him when he comes in their own Hearts I tell you every Wicked man doth so and yet every Wicked man is not Antichrist in St. John's Sense And surely you know the difference betwixt resisting him and denying him and discern I hope what kind of persons our Apostle speaks of when he says in this place Try the Spirits because many False-Prophets are gone out into the World Namely that he doth not mean that every Wicked Man be Tryed but some sorts of Prophets that we may not be Poisoned with false Doctrine As you may learn again from these his precedent words Believe not every Spirit They say you again that deny Christ come in their Flesh to destroy Sin are Antichrists So say I are they that deny him come in his own Flesh to destroy the Devil But Antichrist say you further doth not deny this Well if there be not such an one now the times are altered for I am sure there have been many such heretofore Or if you think I am mistaken in calling them by so ill a name that have only denyed Christ's Flesh and Bodily appearance at Jerusalem speak it out and let us moreover hear what we may more truly call them They have ignominy enough among the Antients Some of whose words I will recite that you may be convinced there have been such Men and may see what they thought of them Ignatius Ad Tral 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. There are some vain Talkers and Seducers mixing poyson with sweetness They reject Christ's Nativity of the Virgin Some as if they were Infidels and without God say Christ was only in appearance a man and took not a true Body and suffered and died in appearance Fly these ungodly Heresies for they are the invention of the Devil Ad Smyrn I warn you of these Beasts that have the shapes of Men. For if the Lord was seemingly in a Body and Crucified in appearance then I am now likewise bound for him in appearance He that says Christ had not Flesh perfectly denies him If any man believe him not to have been conversant in Flesh and confesses not his passion and his blood shed he cannot obtain eternal Life Ad Phil. He was truly Born truly increased did truly Eat and Drink was truly Crucified truly arose He that believes not this differs not from his Crucifiers For the Prince of the World rejoices when any one denies the Cross as knowing that the confession hereof is his destruction Thus again Ad Eph. Hear we another Irenaeus L. 1. C. 22. Saturninus affirms the Saviour was not Born nor had a Body but was only man in appearance Chap. 25. Carpocrates says Jesus was not Born of a Virgin but was the Son of Joseph and Mary after the manner of other Children and that after his Baptism Christ descended into him from the supream God in the shape of a Dove and in the end Christ flew away from Jesus and Jesus suffered and rose L. 3. C. 11. The Gnosticks affirm that the Word and Christ did not come into the World that the Saviour had not Flesh nor suffered But some of them say Jesus was incarnate and suffered whom they affirm to have passed through Mary as Water doth through a Pipe The opinion of all the Hereticks is that the Word was not made Flesh. Hear another Tertullian Adv. Haer. Chap. 46. Basilides the Heretick says Christ was without the substance of Flesh that he suffered not of the
7.30 The Pharisees were not Baptised of him See Luk. 2.1.3 Act. 24.5 and 2.47 Eph. 5.24 Ph. 2.21 But indeed told he her inwardly of every word she had spoken and of every thought she had conceived every step she had taken every scrat she had given her Head every bit of Bread she had eaten every sigh prayer bargain cough breath spitting that she was concerned in from her youth to that present time Did he bring all these before her To what purpose should it be I can sooner believe that a Saint or Angel especially in Heaven can hear all the Papists that call upon him at once throughout the world And from hence let them fetch a proof for their Doctrine and Practice in that particular for ever after which I believe they never dreamed on before and do you Quakers answer them I believe choose you whether you will or not that if after this discourse one had asked this Woman of an hundred things which she had done yes of an hundred sins which she had committed in thought word and deed she would have been found as ignorant of them as you are and that not only as you may say because they presently after their appearance vanished away again but because they never appeared at all Ibid. p. 17.18 19. But say the Preachers of the Man-made Ministry Women ought not to Preach because the Apostle expresly saith But I suffer not a Woman to Teach nor c. 1 Tim. 2.12 What if I should understand by the Woman in this place the flesh as Bernard doth Let them leave off their insolent words against Quakers as if they understood the Scriptures all contrary to the mind of the Antient Fathers Some going about to represent it as a ridiculous Exposition to expound the Woman the Flesh I give them this advice Let them hear Bernard If I should so far condescend to them as to take the words of Paul for Women in the common sense of speech what would they gain by it Forster's Guid. Pref. Thou hast lost thy state of happiness by hearkening to the Woman thy fallen reason who is not to speak in the Church For my part I was in some doubt whether you did thus expound the Text when I read the charge in your Adversaries Books conceiting you might only make an Allegory or allusion But now I see it is granted to be your downright exposition and to take Woman literally is a condescension to us But we need not your favour for from the Apostles words we shall extort it from you Which are these v. 8. c. I will that men pray every where lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting In like manner also that Women adorn themselves in modest Apparel with shamefacedness and sobriety not with broidered hair or Gold or Pearls or costly aray but as becometh Women professing godliness with good works Let the Woman learn in silence with all subjection But I suffer not a Woman to teach nor to usurp authority over the Man but to be in silence For Adam was first formed then Eve For 1 as men here are real men and what is spoken of them ought to be taken in the literal sense so are Women here real Women and what is spoken of them ought so likewise to be taken there being not the least expressed that signifies the contrary Women adorning themselves with Apparel Women professing Godliness signifies as much literally as Men Praying Men lifting up hands without wrath doth And therefore so doth the Womans learning in silence the Womans not Teaching not Usurping Authority over the Man the plural Number being only changed into the singular which singular also hath a plural signification as is usual and as you find again v. 15. and as is evident from the parallel place where the plural is expressed 1 Cor. 14.34 Let your Women keep silence in the Churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the Law and if they will learn any thing let them ask their Husbands at home for it is a shame for Women to speak in the Church Where observe lest you should still resist the Women are such as have Husbands and those at home and that as distinct from the Church viz. in their several houses and unto real Women in the literal sense did the Law speak commanding them to be under obedience even as of real Women in the literal sense it spake in the same place of their bringing forth children in Sorrow Gen. 3.16 Such therefore and in the literal sense are here to be understood and therefore such in the same sense in our present Text it being altogether the same with this 2 Men and Women are here distinguished the different Sexes Male and Female are spoken of such as Adam and Eve were For the Apostle shews distinctly what the one should do and what the other Whereas according to your sense no such distinction ought to be understood for that flesh or fallen reason belongs to the Male as well as Female So that if that be as you say it is the meaning of Woman then the Male as well as Female is prohibited to teach and usurp authority And so one of you speaks Parker's Testimony p. 30. Christ is one in the Female as well as Male and where he Rules he may and ought to speak and this is according to Scripture But let the Woman be silent According to this Author the Man as well as the Woman is flesh and fallen reason for that it may be likewise said Let the Man be silent let Christ only speak Thus the Woman is become the Man which is contrary to the Apostles discourse which makes an absolute difference 3 You make the Apostle say thus I suffer not the flesh and fallen reason to teach and usurp Authority over the man for Adam was first formed then Eve Which is incongruous and therefore not the Apostles mind Thus having shewed the true sense to be the literal I tell you now as you ask what we shall gain by it viz. That you have false interpreted and a greater thing than that your suffering Women to Teach is contrary to the Apostles Doctrine who says I suffer them not But you will reply not so however For thus says G. K. Ibid. p. 21. What sort of Women is it that Paul doth not permit to speak in the Church 1 Cor. 14. 1 Tim. 2 Let us look into the Context of both places and that will clear it For they are 1 Unlearned 2 Tatling 3 Unruly proud Women All which is implied in these words Let the Woman learn in Silence with all Subjection 4 Vain given to gaudy Apparel 5 Such as Usurped Authority over the Man 6 Such as were in the Transgression as the first Woman was 7 Such as Transgress the Law and are not come to be under Grace So a seven-fold sort of Women are not permitted by Paul to speak in
which did enter into the Hearts of the Wicked and cut down the Sin But say I the Sword which the Text produced speaks of is the Carnal which Kills the Creatures and not the Spiritual which cuts down Sin that which Kills the Body the Bodies of Christ's Disciples and not that which enters the Hearts of the Wicked that which the Wicked use against the Righteous and not that which Christ useth against the Wicked Or which is all one it is Persecution Hatred Reproach Variance and as the Sword strictly taken doth signifie it is Death it self the Killing of the Body For it follows For I am come to set a man at Variance against his Father and the Daughter against her Mother and a mans foes shall be they of his own house And such foes they are that Kill the Body as we find a little after this in these Words He that loseth his Life for my sake shall find it And as appears by those a little before our Text vers 28. Fear not them that Kill the Body And vers 21. Brother shall deliver up Brother to Death The whole discourse is of Persecutions which should arise by reason of the word of Christ which his Disciples were to Preach and profess openly of evil which they should suffer upon the account of their Religion Wherefore when our Saviour says he sends this Sword he only means that it will come upon his account And whereas he expected tranquillity and great earthly prosperity from him he being the King that was to Rule whose Kingdom also they thought should be like other Princes with external pomp and dominion Chap 18.1 Act. 1.6 he faithfully tells them afore hand the contrary that they shall meet with many troubles to the end they might be armed against them And for the Exposition of his sending a Sword I give his own words vers 12. Ye shall be hated of all men for my sake Joh. 16.33 In the World ye shall have Tribulation Mat. 13.21 Tribulation or Persecution ariseth because of the Word Reb. Trevers Testimony p. 21. Had I not come into the World ye had had no Sin But now your Sin remains because ye believe not on him whom God hath sent for I am come a light into the World This his coming thou wouldest have only at that time at Jerusalem as if he had not come before nor since I would enquire of thee was there no Sin till Christ was manifest at Jerusalem The cause of all Sin was and is the not coming to him which saves from Sin who was and is and is to come and so he that was the Light says I am come a Light into the World Yes this his coming this spoken of in the Text was only at Jerusalem that in his Body among the Jews As will appear from the words Joh. 15.22.24 if I had not come and spoken unto them they had not had Sin but now have they no Cloak for their Sin If I had not done among them the works which none other man did they had not had Sin For when did Christ speak unto those Jews then Living and do those works among them but since his Birth of the Virgin Mary Means he not by that which he spake unto them that which he spake with his Carnal Mouth and they heard with their Carnal Ears his Preaching in their Cities Synagogues and Temple Means he not by his Works those that he did in Corazin Bethsaida Capernaum which they saw with their Carnal Eyes as the healing of Diseases the expulsion of Devils c and for the contempt of which he pronounced woes against them so sure is it that his coming here spoken of is only that at Jerusalem in his Flesh. And how is it possible to understand any other coming than this by those other words which you cite God hath sent me I am come a Light into the World As well may you understand these words also of God's sending him and his coming into the world before his incarnation God sent his Son in the likeness of Sinful Flesh. In the fulness of time God sent forth his Son made of a Woman I am come forth from the Father and am come into the World To this end was I Born and for this end came I into the World For thus lie the words speaking plainly of a sending and coming lately into the World and such a sending and coming as that he had a Mouth to speak with to Mens Ears Joh. 12.44 He that believeth on me believeth not on me but on him that sent me I am come a Light into the World that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness And if any man hear my words and believe not I judge him not for I came not to judge the World but to save the World And when was this The word that I have spoken the same shall judge him in the last day For I have not spoken of my self but the Father which sent me he gave me a commandment what I should say 2 This coming of Christ at Jerusalem being only spoken of in respect of this alone must he therefore be understood when he saith in the same place If I had not come they had had no Sin And to your enquiry was there no Sin before I answer there was But if you put the question as you ought to do had not these Jews had Sin if Christ had not come in his Body and so spoken unto them and done his works among them the Text would have answered you they had not Which is not to be taken absolutly as you take it saying if Christ had not come a Light into the World before in the hearts of men then indeed there had been no Sin at all Which is another false interpretation of yours but comparatively They those Jews that heard Christ's Doctrine and saw his Miracles and yet believed not nor repented had not had Sin in comparison of what now they have their Sin had been less they had been more excusable Which sense is manifest from those Words in the Text But now have they no Cloak for their Sin For if they will not see when they have the clearest Light nor believe when they have multitude of miracles nor repent when they have the best instruction what can they plead for themselves And in like manner we had not had Sin if the Gospel had not come unto us our Sin would not have had those aggravations which now it hath it being now the abuse of far greater Grace G. W. Authority of Ministry p. 2. Baptizing people in outward Baptism doth not Baptize Men into the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost p. 7. That Baptism which Christ commanded Mat. 28. and Mark 16. is of necessity unto Salvation For by it they were to Baptize men into the name of the Father Son and Holy Ghost Now without being Baptized into this name a man cannot be saved For by no other name under
upon them the Holy Ghost came on them and they spake with Tongues and Prophesied Again Act. 1.16 17. As yet the Holy Ghost was fallen on none of them only they were Baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus That it was with water is manifest in that Simon Magus was one of them that were Baptized vers 13. and he being yet in the bond of Iniquity had not received the Spiritual Baptism vers 23. And Philip it was that Baptized them vers 12. who as we read vers 38. Baptized with water where again it is manifest that as it was with Water he Baptized the Eunuch so it was into the name of Christ. For he making profession that Jesus Christ was the Son of God Philip Baptized him Which must needs signifie that he Baptized him unto the same Jesus or unto his name which is all one as you may see by vers 12. Rom. 6.3 Gal 3.27 3 I assert contrary to you and prove that Water-Baptism was necessary unto Salvation viz. in that sort as the Text expresses it Mar. 16.15 16. Go into all the World and Preach unto every Creature He that Believeth and is Baptized shall be Saved Which requires that those which embrace the Gospel do solemnly by the rite of Baptism declare so much and that they are Christ's Disciples and that they will openly profess him and it and that by this rite they be admitted for his Disciples unto this publick profession That this is the meaning of Baptizing and being Baptized into his name appears from Scripture Act. 19.4 5. John Baptized saying unto the People that they should believe on him which should come after him that is on Christ Jesus When they heard this they were Baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus Which must needs signifie unto the profession of him Joh. 4.1 Jesus made and Baptized more Disciples than John 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 made them Disciples by his Preaching and converted them unto his Doctrine and then admitted them by Baptism as Disciples unto the publick profession of himself and it Which is the same with our Text 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Disciple and Baptize 1 Cor. 1.14 15. I thank God I Baptized none of you but Crispus and Gaius lest any should say I Baptized into my own name i. e Since some of you say they are of Paul vers 12. I am glad I have Baptized so few of you as I have lest any should think as they might the rather if I had Baptized many that I intended to gather Disciples unto my self as if the Doctrine were mine Baptism then into Christ's name signifying admission of Disciples unto publick profession of his Person and his Religion I hope you will not denie that thus to do is necessary as if it were sufficient to Believe in the heart especially when you remember it is said With the heart man Believeth unto Righteousness and with the Mouth Confession is made unto Salvation And whosoever shall confess me before men him will I confess before my Father which is in Heaven But whosoever shall deny me before men him will I deny before my Father which is in Heaven And that those chief Rulers were in danger enough that believed on Christ but because of the Pharisees durst not confess him lest they should be put out of the Synagogue loving the praise of men more than the praise of God Joh. 12. Faith then is the necessary intrinsick thing and Baptism the necessary extrinsick unto Salvation Therefore is it said Repent and be Baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus for the Remission of Sins And they were Baptized Act. 2. And again Why tarriest thou Arise and be Baptized and wash away thy Sins calling on the name of the Lord And he arose and was Baptized Act. 22. 9. And it is manifest that VVater-Baptism is here meant for that it is said be Baptized and they were Baptized Why tarriest thou Arise and be Baptized He arose and was Baptized For what necessity of arising to be Baptized with the Spirit and how could it depend on mans will as this did Ananias being ready and having in his power to Baptize him whenever he would go with him or say he should Baptize him Wherefore Water-Baptism is spoken of in Scripture as necessary unto Salvation it signifying publick profession of Christ and it being for the remission of sins Burrough's Answer to Quaeries p. 5. Quest. Whether none be accounted righteous in God's sight in whom there is any corruption or failing or who do not fulfil the Law and answer every demand of justice Ans. Here thou polluted Beast hast made it manifest that thou wouldest have corruption to be accounted righteous in God's sight that so thou mightest lie in thy sins but John saith He that committeth sin is of the Devil those that love God keep his Commandments And God doth not accept any where there is any failing or who do not fulfil the Law and answer every demand of Justice Smith's Catechism p. 68.69 Do you believe that in such of you as are grown into such strength as to have Victory over the World Flesh and Devil the motions of the Flesh do not sometimes stir to commit sin Ans. Though they may tempt us yet they prevail not for by Christ we are preserved in the hour of Temptation and the wicked one toucheth us not p. 104. The Children of God do not those things they ought not to do for whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin Because I have heard many speak after this rate but have not yet known the man that is so bold as to affirm so much of himself I urge thee therefore to write down and say of thy self I am righteous without any corruption I keep the Commandments fulfil the Law answer every demand of Justice without any sin and failing The motions of the flesh do sometimes stir and tempt me to commit sin but they do not at any time prevail so that I commit it I do not any of those things which I ought not to do But if thus thou darest not say of thy self and yet so interpretest St. John's words then must thou likewise conclude from him that thou art not born of God but art of the Devil And if thou wilt say thus of thy self but wilt not affirm the same of every Child of God the newly regenerate and the weakest and the ignorantest then must thou confess that St. John is not so strictly to be understood for he speaks without limitation Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin 1 Joh. 3.9 And that indeed he is not so to be understood is evident from many places of Scripture which affirm that the regenerate have weakness imperfection corruption and fall into sin and do things which they ought not to do Eccl. 7.20 There is not a just man upon earth which doth good and sinneth not Mat. 15.16 Are ye also yet without understanding c. 17.17 O faithless
Interpretations to consult the Text as it stands in the Bible Pro. 15.28 The heart of the Righteous Studieth to answer but the Mouth of the Wicked poureth forth evil things FINIS THE TEXTS Vindicated ISa. 2.3 4. Out of Sion shall go forth the Law and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem and he shall judge among the Nations Psal. 119. The word of the Lord. Prov. 6.24 To keep thee from the evil woman Rev. 5.6 Seven Spirits of God 2 Cor. 12.2 Caught up to the third Heaven Joh. 6.50 51. This is the Bread which cometh down from Heaven And the Bread which I will give is my Flesh which I will give for the Life of the world Joh. 17.24 Father I will that those thou hast given me be with me where I am that they may behold my Glory which thou hast given me Jam. 5.9 Grudge not lest ye be condemned Behold The Judge standeth before the door Heb. 9.28 Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto Salvation Act. 1.11 This same Jesus that is taken up from you into Heaven shall so come in like manner as you have seen him go into Heaven 2 Pet. 1.19 We have also a more sure word of Prophecy whereunto you do well to take heed c. 1 Cor. 12.7 The manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal 1 Cor. 11.29 He that Eateth and Drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh Damnation to himself not discerning the Lord's Body 1 Cor. 11.25 This do ye as oft as ye drink it in remembrance of me c. 10.21 Ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's Table and the Table of Devils 1 Cor. 11.26 As often as ye eat this Bread and Drink this Cup ye shew the Lord's Death till he come 1 Joh. 4.2 3. Every Spirit that confesseth Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh is of God And every Spirit that confesseth not Jesus Christ is come in the Flesh is not of God And this is that Spirit of Antichrist c. Joh. 4.29 Come see a man which told me all things which ever I did 1 Tim. 2.12 But I suffer not a Woman to Teach c. 1 Cor. 14.34 Let your Women keep silence in the Churches for it is not permitted to them to speak but c. Jer. 23.30 31 32. I am against the Prophets which steal my Word every one from his neighbour that say He saith that Prophesie false Dreams and cause my people to erre by their Lies yet I sent them not Therefore they shall not profit this people at all Mat. 6.5 They love to pray standing in the Synagogues and in the corners of Streets that they may be seen of men Mat. 23.6 And love uppermost Rooms at Feasts and Chief-seats in the Synagogues and greetings in the Market and to be called of Men Rabbi Rabbi but be not ye called Rabbi c. neither be ye called Master for one is your Master Christ. Jer. 5.31 The Prophets Prophesie falsly and the Priests bear rule by their means Rev. 17.15 13.7 Power was given the Beast over all Kindreds and Tongues c. 1 Cor. 15.22 As in Adam all die so in Christ shall all be made alive Rom. 13.1 Let every Soul be subject to the Higher Powers Rom. 1.16 I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Isa. 8.20 To the Law and to the Testimony c. Rev. 19.10 The Testimony of Jesus is the spirit of Prophecy Isa. 47.5 Sit in silence c. Isa. 15.1 Kir of Moab is laid wast and brought to silence Psal. 31.18 Let the lying Lips be put to silence 1 Cor. 13.8 Tongues shall cease Joh. 15.3 Now are ye clean through the word which I have spoken unto you 2 Cor. 5.19 And hath committed unto us the word of Reconciliation 2 Cor. 3.6 Who hath also made us able Ministers of the New-Testament not of the Letter but of the Spirit c. Est. 6.2 Mordecay bowed not c. 1 Pet. 2.17 Honour all Men. Honour the King Lev. 19.15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment thou shalt not respect the person of the Poor nor Honour the person of the Mighty c. Luk. 15.21 22. Master we know thou sayest and teachest rightly neither acceptest thou the person of any Jam. 2.2 Have not the Faith of our Lord Jesus with respect of persons for if there come c. Mat. 5.33 34. But I say unto you Swear not at all c. Act. 7.38 39. 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Yet his Flesh never corrupted which Flesh is the offering for as he was not God he did not Die and this Flesh is a mystery and in this Flesh is the Belief which takes away the Sin that never corrupted that is the offering for Sin and the Blood of this Flesh cleanseth from Sin This offering who is found in the Shape of a Man And where this belief is entred into his Flesh it knows Adam's Flesh that corrupted Through his Flesh he doth reconcile and by the offering up his Body his Flesh that which hath been Slain from the Foundation of the World and yet never corrupted he breaks down the Partition-wall betwixt Jews and Gentiles p. 59. So this pure Flesh this offering is set over all which never corrupted which must be your Meat if you Live though there is more in all these things which is hard to be uttered and cannot be uttered yet * Tertullian understands the Text of the visible Flesh De Carne Chr. Chap. 13. In Christo invenimus animam carnem simplicibus nudis vocabulis editas id est animam animam carnem carnem Quid anxia est anima mea usque ad mortem Et Panis quem ego dedero pro salute mundi caro mea est Si una caro una anima illa tristis usque ad mortem illa Panis pro mundi salute salvus est numerus duarum substantiarum in suo genere distantium excludens Carneae animae unicam speciem * See c. 3.17 Act. 15.9 1 Cor. 11.29 * De Spec. Leg. p. 594. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. If necessity require an Oath it is more fit to swear by the health and old age of Father and Mother if they be living and if they be dead by their blessed memory because God is not to be rashly named Some are wont to say So help me omiting the rest which might be compleated not by adding the most High but Earth Sun Heaven or the World But others are so hasty that passing by the creatures they are bold to swear by the Creator himself