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A66445 The blovdy tenent, of persecution, for cause of conscience, discussed, in a conference betweene trvth and peace vvho, in all tender affection, present to the high court of Parliament, as the result of their discourse, these, amongst other passages, of highest consideration. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683.; Cotton, John, 1584-1652. 1644 (1644) Wing W2758; ESTC R2405 232,471 275

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to be violated urged or constrained And whensover men have attempted any thing by this violent course whether openly or by secret meanes the issue hath beene pernicious and the cause of great and wonderfull innovations in the principallest and mightiest Kingdomes and Countries c. It cannot be denied to be a pious and prudentiall act for Your Honours according to your conscience to call for the advice of faithfull Councellours in the high debates concerning Your owne and the soules of others Yet let it not be imputed as a crime for any suppliant to the God of Heaven for You if in the humble sense of what their soules beleeve they powre forth amongst others these three requests at the Throne of Grace First That neither Your Honours nor those excellent and worthy persons whose advice you seek limit the holy One of Israel to their apprehensions debates conclusions rejecting or neglecting the humble and faithfull suggestions of any though as base as spittle and clay with which sometimes Christ Iesus opens the eyes of them that are borne blinde Secondly That the present and future generations of the Sons of Men may never have cause to say that such a Parliament as England never enjoyed the like should modell the worship of the living eternall and invisible God after the Bi●● of any earthly interest though of the highest concernment under the Sunne And yet saith that learned Sir Francis Bacon how ever otherwise perswaded yet thus he confesseth Such as hold pressure of Conscience are guided therein by some private interests of their owne Thirdly What ever way of worshipping God Your owne Consciences are perswaded to walke in yet from any bloody act of violence to the consciences of others it may bee never told at Rome nor Oxford that the Parliament of England hath committed a greater rape then if they had forced or ravished the bodies of all the women in the World And that Englands Parliament so famous throughout all Europe and the World should at last turne Papists Prelatists Presbyterians Independents Socinians Familists Antinomians c. by confirming all these sorts of Consciences by Civill force and violence to their Consciences To every Courteous Reader VVHile I plead the Cause of Truth and Innocencie against the bloody Doctrine of Persecution for cause of conscience I judge it not unfit to give alarme to my selfe and all men to prepare to be persecuted or ●●nted for cause of conscience Whether thou standest charged with 10 or but 2 Talents if thou huntest any for cause of conscience how canst thou say thou followest the Lambe of God who so abhorr'd that practice If Paul if Iesus Christ were present here at London and the question were proposed what Religion would they approve of The Papists Prelatists Presbyterians Independents c. would each say Of mine of mine But put the second question if one of the severall sorts should by major vote attaine the Sword of steele what weapons doth Christ Jesus authorize them to sight with in His cause Doe not all men hate the persecutor and every conscience true or false complaine of cruelty tyranny c. Two mountaines of crying guilt lye heavie upon the backes of All that name the name of Christ in the eyes of Iewes Turkes and Pagans First The blasphemies of their Idolatrous inventions superstitions and most unchristian conversations Secondly The bloody irreligious and inhumane oppressions and destructions under the maske or vaile of the Name of Christ c. O how like is the jealous Iehovah the consuming fire to end these present slaughters in a greater slaughter of the holy Witnesses Rev. 11. Six yeares preaching of so much Truth of Christ as that time afforded in K. Edwards dayes kindles the flames of Q. Maries bloody persecutions Who can now but expect that after so many scores of yeares preaching and professing of more Truth and amongst so many great contentions amongst the very best of Protestants a fierie furnace should be heat and who sees not now the ●ires kindling I confesse I have little hopes till those flames are over that this Discourse against the doctrine of persecution for cause of conscience should passe currant I say not amongst the Wolves and Lions but even amongst the Sheep of Christ themselves yet liberavl animam meam I have not hid within my breast my souls belief And although sleeping on the bed either of the pleasures or profits of sin●e thou thinkest thy conscience bound to smite at him that dares to waken thee Yet in the middest of all these civill and spirituall Wars I hope we shall agree in these particulars First how ever the proud upon the advantage of an higher earth or ground or ' clooke the poore and cry out Schismatickes Hereticks c. shall blasphemers and seducers scape unpunished c. Yet there is a sorer punishment in the Gospel for despising of Christ then Moses even when the despiser of M●ses was put to death without mercie Heb. 10. 28 29. He that beleeveth not shall bee damned Marke 16. 16. Secondly what ever Worship Ministry Ministration the best and purest are practised without faith and true perswasion that they are the true institutions of God they are sin sinfull worships Ministries c. And however in Civill things we may be servants unto men yet in Divine and Spirituall things the poorest pesant must disdaine the service of the highest Prince Be ye not the servants of men 1 Cor. 14. Thirdly without search and triall no man attaines this faith and right perswasion 1 Thes. 5. Try all things In vaine have English Parliaments permitted English Bibles in the poorest English houses and the simplest man or woman to search the Scriptures if yet against their soules perswasion from the Scripture they should be forced as if they lived in Spaine or Rome it selfe without the sight of a Bible to beleeve as the Church beleeves Fourthly having tried we must hold fast 1 Thessal 5. upon the losse of a Crowne Revel 13. we must not let goe for all the ●lea bitings of the present afflictions c. having bought Truth deare we must not ●ell it cheape not the least graine of it for the whole World no not for the saving of Soules though our owne most precious least of all for the bitter sweetning of a little vanishing pleasure For a little puffe of credit and reputation from the changeable breath of uncertaine sons of men For the broken bagges of Riches on Eagles wings For a dreame of these any or all of these which on our death-bed vanish and leave tormenting stings behinde them Oh how much better is it from the love of Truth from the love of the Father of lights from whence it comes from the love of the Sonne of God who is the way and the Truth to say as he Iohn 18. 37. For this end was I borne and for this end came I into the World that I might be are witnesse to the Truth A Table of
simply unlawfull as unto a falsely constituted Church Ministry Worship Administration and they shall not escape the D●ch by being led blindefold by the Magistrate but though hee fall in first yet they shall in after him and upon him to his greater and more dreadfull judgement In particular thus If the Magistrate may restraine me from that gesture in the Supper of the Lord which I am perswaded I ought to practice he may also restraine me by his commands from that Supper of the Lord it selfe in such or such a Church according to my conscience If he cannot as they grant constraine me to such or such a garment in the worship of God can he constraine me to worship God by such a Ministry and with such worship which my soule and conscience cannot be perswaded is of God If he cannot command me in that circumstance of time to worship God this or that day can he command mee to the worship it selfe Peace Me thinkes I discerne a threefold guilt to lye upon such Civill powers as impose upon and inforce the conscience though not unto the ministration and participation of the Seales yet either to depart from that worship which it is perswaded of or to any exercise or worship which it hath not faith in First of an appearance of that Arminian Popish doctrine of freewill as if it lay in their owne power and ability to beleeve upon the Magistrates command since it is confessed that what is submitted to by any without faith it is sinne be it never so true and holy Rom. 14. Secondly since God only openeth the heart and worketh the will Phil. 2. it seemes to be an high presumption to suppose that together with a command restraining from or constraining to worship that God is also to be forced or commanded to give faith to open the heart to incline the will c. Thirdly A guilt of the hypocrisie of their subjects and people in forcing them to act and practice in matters of Religion and Worship against the doubts and checks of their consciences causing their bodies to worship when their soules are far off to draw near with their lips their hearts being far off c. With lesse sinne ten thousand fold may a naturall ●ather force his 〈◊〉 or the Father of the Commonweale force all the maydens in a Country to the marriage beds of such and such men whom they cannot love then the soules of these and other subjects to such worship or Ministry which is either a true or false because Cant. 1. 16. Truth Sweet Peace your conclusions are undeniable and O that they might sinke deep into those Noble and Honourable Bosomes it so deeply concernes but proceed CHAP. XCV Peace IN that fifth head they further say thus Thirdly in matters Ecclesiasticall we beleeve first That Civill Magistrates have no power to make or constitute Lawes about Church affaires which the Lord Jesus hath not ordained in his Word for the well ordering of the Church for the Apostle solemnely chargeth Timothy and in him all Goverours of the Church before God and the Lord Jesus Christ who is the only Potentate the King of Kings and Lord of Lords that the Commandement given by him for the ordering of the Church be kept without spot unrebukeable to the appearing of the Lord Jesus Christ 1 Tim. 6. 14. 15. And this Commandement given in the Word the Apostle faith is able to make the man of God perfect in all Righteousnesse 2 Tim. 3. 17. And indeed the adminstration of all Christs affaires doth immediately aime at spirituall and divine ends as the worship of God and the salvation of mens soules and therefore no Law nor meanes can be devised by the wisdome or wit of man that can be fit or able to reach such ends but use must be made of such onely as the divine Wisdome and holy Will of God hath ordained Secondly We beleeve the Magistrates power in making Lawes about Church affaires is not only thus limited and restrained by Christ to matters which concerne the substance of Gods worship and of Church government but also such as concerne outward order as in Rites and Ceremonies for uniformities sake For we finde not in the Gospell that Christ hath any where provided for the uniformity of Churches but onely for their unity Paul in matters of Christian libertie commendeth the unity of their Faith in the holy Spirit giving order that wee should not judge nor condemne one another in difference of judgement and practice of such things where men live to God on both sides even though there were some errour on one side Rom. 14. to the 6. How much lesse in things indifferent where there may be no etrour on either side When the Apostle directeth the Church of Corinth that all things be done decently and in order he meant not to give power to Church Officers or to Civill Magistrates to order what ever they should thinke meet for decencie and order but only to provide that all the Ordinances of God be administred in the Church decently without unnaturall or uncivill uncomelinesse as that of long haire or womens prophe●ying of the like and orderly without confusion or disturbance of edification as the speaking of many at once in the Church Thirdly we doe neverthelesse willingly grant that Magistrates upon due and diligent search what is the counsell and will of God in his Word concerning the right ordering of the Church may and ought to publish and declare establish and ratifie such Lawes and Ordinances as Christ hath appointed in his Word for the well ordering of Church affaires both for the gathering of the Church and the right administration of all the Ordinances of God amongst them in such a manner as the Lord hath appointed to edification The Law of Artaxerxes Ezra 7. 23. was not usurpation over the Churches liberty but a Royall and just confirmation of them Whatsoever is commanded by the God of Heaven For why should there be wrath against the King and his Sonnes Truth Deare Peace me thinkes I see before mine eyes a wall daubed up of which Ezekiel speakes with untempered morter Here they restraine the Magistrate from making Lawes either concerning the substance or ceremony of Religion but such only as Christ hath commanded and those say they must publish and declare after the example of Artaxerxes I shall herein performe two things First examine this Magistrates duty to publish declare c. such Laws and Ordinances as Christ hath appointed Secondly I shall examine that proofe from Artaxerxes Ezra 7. 23. In the first me thinks I heare the voice of the people of Israel 1 Sam. 8. 5. Make us a King that may rule over us after the manner of the Nations rejecting the Lord ruling over them by his holy Word in the mouth of his Prophets and sheltring themselves under an Arme of Flesh which Arme of Flesh God gave them in His Anger and cut off againe in His
THE BLOVDY TENENT of PERSECUTION for cause of CONSCIENCE discussed in A Conference betweene TRVTH and PEACE VVHO In all tender Affection present to the High Court of Parliament as the Result of their Discourse these amongst other Passages of highest consideration Printed in the Year 1644. FIrst That the blood of so many hundred thousand souls of Protestants and Papists spilt in the War● of present and former Ages for their respective Consciences is not required nor accepted by Iesus Christ the Prince of Peace Secondly Pregnant Scriptures and Arguments are throughout the Worke proposed against the Doctrine of Persecution for for cause of Conscience Thirdly Satisfactorie Answers are given to Scriptures and objections produced by Mr. Calvin Beza Mr. Cotton and the Ministers of the New English Churches and others former and later tending to prove the Doctrine of Persecution for cause of Conscience Fourthly The Doctrine of Persecution for cause of Conscience is proved guilty of all the blood of the Soules crying for vengeance under the Altar Fifthly All Civill States with their Officers of justice in their respective constitutions and administrations are proved essentially Civill and therefore not Iudges Governours or Defendours of the Spirituall or Christian state and Worship Sixtly It is the will and command of God that since the comming of his Sonne the Lord Iesus a permission of the most Paganish Iewish Turkish or Antichristian consciences and worships bee granted to all men in all Nations and Countries and they are onely to bee fought against with that Sword which is only in Soule matters able to conquer to wit the Sword of Gods Spirit the Word of God Seventhly The state of the Land of Israel the Kings and people thereof in Peace War is proved figurative and ceremoniall and no patterne nor president for any Kingdom or civill state in the world to follow Eightly God requireth not an uniformity of Religion to be inacted and inforced in any civill state which inforced uniformity sooner or later is the greatest occasion of civill Warre ravishing of conscience persecution of Christ Iesus in his servants and of the hypocrisie and destruction of millions of souls Ninthly In holding an inforced uniformity of Religion in a civill state we must necessarily disclaime our desires and hopes of the Iewes conversion to Christ. Tenthly An inforced uniformity of Religion throughout a Nation or civill state confounds the Civill and Religious denies the principles of Chr●stianity and civility and that Iesus Christ is come in the Flesh. Eleventhly The permission of other consciences and worships then a state professeth only can according to God procure a firme and lasting peace good assurance being taken according to the wisdome of the civill state for uniformity of civill obedience from all sorts Twelfthly lastly true civility and Christianity may both flourish in a State or Kingdome notwithstanding the permission of divers and contrary consciences either of Iew or Gentile TO THE RIGHT HONORABLE both Houses of the High Court of PARLIAMENT Right Honourable and Renowned Patriots NExt to the saving of your own soules in the lamentable shipwrack of Mankind your taske as Christians is to save the Soules but as Magistrates the Bodies and Goods of others Many excellent Discourses have been presented to your Fathers hands and Yours in former and present Parliaments I shall be humbly bold to say that in what concernes your duties as Magistrates towards others a more necessary and seasonable debate was never yet presented Two things your Honours here may please to view in this Controversie of Persecution for cause of Conscience beyond what 's extant First the whole Body of this Controversie form'd pitch'd in true Battalia Secondly although in respect of my selfe it be impar congressus yet in the power of that God who is Maximus in Mini●is Your Honours shall see the Controversie is discussed with men as able as most eminent for abilitie and pietie Mr. Co●ton and the New English Ministers When the Prophets in Scripture have given their Coats of Armes and Escutch●ons to Great Men Your Honours know the Babylonian Monarch hath the Lyon the Persian the Beare the Grecian the Leopard the Romane a compound of the former 3. most strange and dreadfull Dan. 7. Their oppressing plundring ravishing murthering not only of the bodies but the soules of Men are large explaining commentaries of such similitudes Your Honours have been famous to the end of the World for your unparallel'd wisdome courage justice mercie in the vindicating your Civill Lawes Liberties c. Yet let it not be grievous to your Honours thoughts to ponder a little why all the Prayers and Teares and Fastings in this Nation have not pierc'd the Heavens and quench'd these Flames which yet who knowes how far they 'll spread and when they 'll out Your Honours have broke the jawes of the Oppressour and taken the prey out of their Teeth Iob. 29. For which Act I believe it hath pleased the most High God to set a Guard not only of Trained men but of mighty Angels to secure your sitting and the Citie I feare we are not pardoned though reprieved O that there may be a lengthning of Londons tranquilitie of the Parliaments safetie by mercy to the poore Dan. 4. Right Honourable Soule yokes Soule oppressions plundrings ravishings c. are of a crimson and deepest dye and I believe the chiefe of Englands sins unstopping the Viols of Englands present sorrowes This glasse presents your Honours with Arguments from Religion Reason Experience all proving that the greatest yoakes yet lying upon English necks the peoples and Your own are of a spirituall and soule nature All former Parliaments have changed these yoakes according to their consciences Popish or Protestant 'T is now your Honours turne at helme and as your task so I hope your res●lution not to change for that is but to turne the wheele which another Parliament and the very next may turne againe but to ●ase the Subjects and Your selves from a yoake as was once spoke in a case not unlike Act 15. which neither You nor your Fathers were ever able to beare Most Noble Senatours Your Fathers whose seats You fill are mouldred and mouldring their braines their tongu●s c. to ashes in the pit of rottenesse They and You must shortly together with two worlds of men appeare at the great Barre It shall then be no griefe of heart that you have now attended to the cries of Soules thousands oppressed millions ravished by the Acts and Statutes concerning Soules not yet repealed Of Bodies impoverished imprisoned c. for their soules beliefe yea slaughtered on heapes for Religions controversies in the Warres of present and former Ages Notwithstanding the successe of later times wherein sundry opinions have been hatched about the subject of Religion a man may clearly discerne with his eye and as it were touch with his finger that according to the verity of holy Scriptures c. mens consciences ought in no sort
Cor. 5. CHAP. CXXVII Peace DEare Truth you have uprightly and aptly untied the knots of that 11 Head let me present you with the 12 Head which is Concerning the Magistrates power in the Censures of the Church First say they he hath no power to execute or to substitute any Civill officer to execute any Church censure under the notion of Civill or ●cclesiasticall men Secondly Though a Magistrate may immediately Civilly censure such an offender whose secret sinnes are made manifest by their casting out to be injurious to the good of the State yet such offences of excommunicate persons which manifestly hurt not the good of the State he ought not to proceed against them sooner or later untill the Church hath made her complaint to him and given in their just Reasons for helpe from them For to give libertie to Magistrates without exception to punish all excommunicate persons within so many moneths may prove injurious to the person who needs to the Church who may desire to God who cals for longer indulgence from the hands of thē Thirdly for persons not excommunicate the Magistrate hath no power in mediately to censure such offences of Church members by the power of the Sword but onely for such as doe immediately hurt the peace of the State Because the proper end of Civill Government being the preservation of the peace and welfare of the State they ought not to breake downe those bounds and so to censure immediately for such sins which hurt not their peace Hence first Magistrates have no power to censure for secret sinnes as deadnesse unbeleefe because they are secret and not yet come forth immediately to hurt the peace of the State we say immediately for every sinne even originall sinne remotely hurts the Civill State Secondly hence they have no power to censure for such private sinnes in Church members which being not hainous may be best healed in a private way by the Churches themselves For that which may be best healed by the Church and yet is prosecuted by the State may make a deeper wound and greater rent in the peace both of Church and State the Magistrates also being members of the Church are bound to the rule of Christ viz. not to produce any thing in publike against a brother which may bee best healed in a private way Now we call that private First which is only remaining in Families not knowne of oothers and therefore a Magistrate to heare and prosecute the complaint of children against their parents servants against masters wives against their husbands without acquainting the Church first transgresseth the rule of Christ. Secondly that which is between members of the same Church or of divers Churches for it was a double fault of the Corinthians 1 Cor. 6. first to goe to Law secondly to doe it before an Infidell seeing the Church was able to judge of such kinde of differences by some Arbitratours among themselves So that the Magistrates should referre the differences of Church members to private healing and try that way first By meanes whereof the Churches should be free from much scandall and the State from much trouble and the hearts of the godly from much griefe in beholding such breaches Thirdly such offences which the Conscience of a Brother dealing with another privately dares not as yet publish openly comming to the notice of the Magistrate accidentally he ought not to make publique as yet nor to require the Grand Jurie to present the same no more then the other private brother who is dealing with him untill hee see some issue of the private way Thirdly hence they have no power to put any to an oath ex officio to accuse themselves or the brethren in case either criminis suspecti or praetensi because this preserves not but hurts many wayes the peace of the State and abuseth the ordinance of an Oath which is ordained to end controversies not to begin them Heb. 6. 16. Fourthly hence they have no power to censure any for such offences as breake either no Civill Law of God or Law of the State published according to it for the peace of the State being preserved by wholesome Laws when they are not hurt the peace is not hurt Truth In this passage as I said before I observe how weakly and partially they deale with the soules of Magistrates in telling them they are the Guardians of both Tables must see the Church doe her duty punish c. and yet in this passage the Elders or Ministers of the Churches not only sit Iudges over the Magistrates actions in Church affaires but in civill also straitning and inlarging his commission according to the particular interests of their owne ends or at the best their Consc●ences I grant the Word of the Lord is the only rule light and lanthorn in all cases concerning God or Man and that the Ministers of the Gospell are to teach this way hold out this Lanthorne unto the feete of all men but to give such an absolute power in Spirituall things to the Civill Magistrate and yet after their owne ends or Consciences to abridge it is but the former sporting with holy things and to walk in Contradictions as before I noted Many of the particulars I acknowledge true where the Magistrate is a Member of the Church yet some passages call for Explication and some for Observation First in that they say the Civill Magistrate ought not to proceed against the offences of an Excommunicate person which manifestly hurt not the good of the state untill the Church hath made her complaint for helpe from them I observe 2 things First a cleare grant that when the Church complayneth for helpe then the Magistrate may punish such offences as hurt not the good of the state and yet in a few lines after they say the Magistrates have no power to censure such offences of Church members by the power of the civill sword but only such as doe immediately hurt the peace of the civill state and they adde the Reason because the proper end of the civill Government being the preservation of the peace and welfare of the state they ought not to breake downe those bounds and so to censure immediately for such sinnes which hurt not their peace And in the last place they acknowledge the Magistrate hath no power to punish any for any such offences as breake no civill Law of God or Law of the state published according to it For the peace of the state say they being preserved by wholesome Lawes when they are not hurt the Peace is not hurt CHAP. CXXVIII Peace DEare Truth here are excellent confessions unto which both Truth and Grace may gladly assent but what is your second Observation from hence Truth I observe secondly what a deepe charge of weaknes is layd upon the Church of Christ the Lawes Government and Officers thereof and consequently upon the Lord Iesus himselfe to wit that the Church is not enabled with all