THE Divinity of Christ AND Unity of the Three that bear Record in Heaven WITH The blessed End and Effects of Christ's Appearance coming in the Flesh Suffering and Sacrifice for Sinners confessed and vindicated By his followers called Quakers And the principal matters in Controversie between Them and their present Opposers as Presbyterians Independants c. Considered and Resolved according to the Scriptures of Truth And more particularly to Remove the Aspersions Slanders and Blasphemies cast upon the People called QUAKERS and their Principles in several Books Written By Tho. Vincent Will. Madox their railing Book stil'd The Foundation c. Tho. Danson his Synopsis John Owen his Declaration Which are here Examin'd and Compared by G. W. And their Mistakes Errors and Contradictions both to themselves and each other made manifest As also A short Review of several Passages of Edward Stillingfleet's D.D. and Chaplin in Ordinary so called to his Majesty in his Discourse of the Sufferings of Christ And Sermon preached before the KING wherein he flatly Contradicts the said Opposers Mark 14.56 For many bare false witness against him but their witness agreed not together Coll. 2.8 Beware lest any man spoyl you through Philosophy and vain deceipt 1 Tim. 6.3 4 5 20. If any man consenteth not to the wholsome words of our Lord Jesus Christ c. he is puft up or proud c. Acts 24.14 After the way which they call Heresie do I Worship the God of my Fathers believing all things which are written in the Law and the Prophets c. London Printed in the Year 1669. An Epistle to the Presbyterians and Independants and their Rough Hearers who profess the Scriptures to be their Rule whereby they are examined and tryed and their wayes discovered 1 st WHether do the Scriptures speak of Three Persons in the God-head according to your own Rule in these express words let us see where it is written Come do not shuffle for we are resolved that the Scriptures shall buffet you about and that you shall be whipped about with the Rule 2 dly Where doth the Scripture speak of Christ's Righteousness imputed unto Unrighteous men who live in their sins and that in their Unrighteousness and Sins they shall live and die seeing that Faith purifies the heart from unrighteousness And he that believes passes from Death to Life and so from Sin that brought Death And he that receives Christ receives Righteousness it self by Faith in him the Lord the Righteousness this is Scripture 3 dly And where doth the Scripture say That a man shall not be made free from sin and that it is not attainable in this Life Let us see where ever Christ or the Prophets or Apostles preached such Doctrine Give us plain Scripture without adding or diminishing for Christ's bids men be perfect and the Apostle spoke Wisdom among them that were perfect 4 thly You that deny Perfection do ye not deny the One Offering Christ Jesus who hath perfected for ever them that are Sanctified Do you not deny the Blood of Christ Jesus in trampling it under your feet and the Blood of the new Covenant which Blood of Christ cleanseth from all sin and whose garments are made white by the Blood of the Lamb and he throughly purges his floor with his Fan and gathers his Wheat into his Garner 5 thly And did Christ make Satisfaction for the sins of men that they should live and die in their sins for he came to save his People from their sins and so he Died for them that they should not live to them but to God through him 6 thly Where do the Scripture speak of a Trinity of distinct Persons from Genesis to the Revelation give us plain Scripture for it without shuffling adding or diminishing you that talk so much of Scripture to be your Rule for the Father Word and Spirit this is owned according to Scripture and they agree in One. And we charge you to give us a plain Scripture that saith there are three separate Persons let us see Scripture we will have Scripture for it or otherwise be silent 7 thly And where do the Scriptures say That Christ the Light of the World which enlighteneth every one that cometh into the World is not sufficient to guide men to Salvation Christ saith Believe in the Light that you may become Children of the Light and Children of the Day and who walk in the Light there is no occasion of stumbling And this is the Condemnation that Light is come into the World and men love Darkness rather than Light because their deeds be evil And is not the Light sufficient that lets a man see whether his deeds be wrought in God read John 3. 8 thly Where doth the Scripture say from Genesis to the Revelation That the true Faith of God is without Works Hath not Faith works that purifies the heart Doth it not give Victory Will you deny the Works of Faith because the Works of the Law was denyed by the Apostle 9 thly Where doth the Scripture say That it self is the Word of God Do you not belye the Rule here For doth not the Scripture say That Christ is the Word and the Scriptures are Words read Exodus 20 and Revelation 22. He that adds to these Words and takes from these Words the Plagues of God are added to him So see whether you are not adders to these Words as it is made appear before And Christ saith My words that I speak unto you they are Spirit and Life c. And in many places of Scripture God saith My Words Doth not Scripture signifie Writing For all your high Schollar-ship you may go to the English School-Master and it will tell you what it signifies What is all the writing in Peoples hearts Is Paper and Ink in Peoples hearts Come do not cheat People but confess truth you affirm Scripture to be the Rule but are found contrary to the Rule But what is all the Scripture the Rule from Genesis to the Revelations to walk by and practice Or what part of Scripture is the Rule are Herods words Pharoahs words Nebuchadnezars words Judas words the Jewes words Jobs Friends words the Devils words the Offerings and the Sacrifices c. Come what part of Scripture is your Rule Distinguish For you say the Scripture is your Rule Is it all a Rule for practice Must we obey every tittle of it for we own the Scriptures more then you do which Holy Men of God gave forth Christ Jesus and the Apostles and Prophets and they made a distinction but you make none Do not go with your Malice and envious minds to possess the People and say That we dis-esteem the Scriptures for we esteem Scripture more than you do that have kept People under your Teaching that they might be paying of you and so make a Trade of them The Scriptures speaks plentifully concerning Christ being the Word of God God is the Word is not this Scripture And in the Beginning
Justification is within and the Mystery of Faith is held in a pure Conscience and the Conscience must be within must it not Reader And so here thou mayst see how these Presbyterians and Independants have erred from the Apostles Doctrine And in Rom. 5. and being Justified by Faith by whom we have access to God by Faith and Justified by Faith in Christ Jesus Gal. 2. And the Apostle saith I live by the Faith of the Son of God and the Just lives by Faith by grace you are saved through Faith Eph. 2.8 Luk. 2.5 thy Faith hath saved thee And do not the Presbyterians and Independants deny Christ's Doctrine who deny Perfection both the Doctrine of God and the Command of Jesus Christ and the Ministry of Christ Jesus and makes void all the Apostles Exhortation For God said to Abraham Walk before me and be thou perfect Gen. 17. And do they not deny the way of God which is perfect Psal. 18.30 And the Law of the Lord is perfect and Christ saith Every one that is perfect shall be as he is And be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect Mat. 5. And Noah was a perfect man Gen. 6. Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord He hath made my way perfect 2 Sam. 20. Job was a perfect man and one that feared God and eschewed evil Job 1.1 God will not cast away the perfect man Now do you not say there is no Perfection Do you not give the Scripture the lye God made my way perfect Psal. 18. Mark the perfect man Psal. 37. And the Wicked may shoot at the perfect Psal. 64. And are not you them that shoot at the perfect with your dirty Arrows And Christ prayed That they may be perfect in one Joh. 17. Is not Christ's Prayer to be fulfilled or did he pray in vain Will you deny his Prayer you vain men Is not Christ's Prayers available The Apostle said He spoke wisdom among them that were perfect ye false Ministers say there are none perfect God comforts his People and Ministers and sayes His strength is made perfect in their weakness Herein is encouragement to Perfection by God's Ministers Be perfect be of good comfort but you say none can be perfect and so you are miserable Comforters And the Work of the Ministry Eph. 4. was to bring People to the knowledge of God to a perfect man and to the measure and stature of the fulness of Christ And are not you false Ministers and evil workers who say there is no Perfection you cannot bring them it seems to a perfect man you cannot bring them to the measure of the stature of Christ but runs up and down and fetches all the weaknesses of the Saints and applies them to People to hold up Imperfection to them as Paul Peter John and some others 2 Cor. 13. We wish your Perfection and Heb. 6. let us go on to Perfection And Col. 2. the bond of Perfectness So is it not clear here whose Ministers you are neither according to God nor Christ nor according to the Scriptures nor according to the Prophets nor Apostles By one Offering he hath Perfected for ever them that are Sanctified And what Hee is this but Christ Jesus And now it 's clear That you deny this Faith that Sanctifies and that you deny this one Offering mark for ever them that are Sanctified And so it 's clear That you deny the one Offering of Christ Jesus without the Gates of Jerusalem and sayes That none are perfect and no Perfection here You may as well say there is no Faith here And you that say also there is no Overcoming here you may as well deny Belief here for he that believes is born of God and he that is born of God overcomes the World and greater is he that is in you than he that is in the World So it is manifest That you have not this greater Birth in you to overcome the World and here you stand against all the Believers and all the houshold of Faith which Faith gives Victory And you say there is no Victory here And so what can you cry up but sin and Bawdy-houses And you would rather have your People go into Bawdy-houses then to go to the houshold of Faith which preaches down Sin and Imperfection For God is perfect his Way is perfect and he bids be perfect And the Ministers was to present every man perfect in Christ Jesus see Col. And you Preach up Imperfection for term of Life so Ministers of Satan for the Devil made man imperfect Christ makes them perfect and God made them perfect and said Be perfect So are you not all the blind Guides that leads into the ditch which is a corrupted place that People are corrupted not perfect but the true Ministers presented them perfect in Christ Jesus And so is it not clear That you deny the Blood of Christ and trample it under your feet For Christ Sanctifies his People with his own Blood Heb. 10. The Blood of Christ Jesus cleanseth from all sin 1 Joh. 1. Rev. And he hath washed us from our sins in his Blood And they overcame by the Blood of the Lamb And whose Garments were made white by the Blood of Jesus And do you not give the Apostle and the Scriptures the Lye and makes Christ's Blood of none Effect And sayes They are not made white they are not cleansed from all sin and that they must have a body of sin and death as long as they live and that they are not Redeemed to God Do you not make the Blood of Christ of none effect here which is to wash and to cleanse away that which is brought into Adam by the Serpent and deny Christ's Purchase who purchased his People and Justifies by his Blood and Redeemed through his Blood And what Redemption is this and Purchase is this and Justification is this if they be not Redeemed out of sin and evil and old Adam Christ hath Redeemed us to God through his Blood Rev. 5. Eph. 1. Are not you them that have counted the Blood of the new Covenant of none effect Heb. 10. and troden it under foot wherewith he Sanctifies and so are they that have done despite against the Spirit of Grace for do you not say the Spirit of God is not given to every man to profit withal only some have the Spirit say you Who are they then that vexes it and quenches it and grieves it And were not they wicked People whom the Lord gave his good Spirit to to instruct them Nehem. 9. they were such as rebelled against Nehemiah And here it is clear That you make Sects and denies the Prophets and Apostles Doctrine And you say That Christ doth not enlighten every man that cometh into the World Do you not here deny John's Doctrine and Scriptures and Christ himself who saith He is the Light of the World And deny that which People should believe in believe in the Light that you may become
3.13 Hosea 14.3 Joh. 17.11 Tit. 2.24 Ephes. 5.25 26 27. 1 John 3. 1 Cor. 2.6 Col. 1.28 29. ch 4.12 2 Tim. 3.17 James 1.4 But what sin or sins he can charge upon either the holy Patriarchs Prophets or Apostles that they were not freed from perfectly before their decease this he hath yet to shew and evince to us concerning all them that died in the Faith who finished their Testimony with Joy and Peace T. D. Arg. 2. That there is a continual need and use of Faith and Repentance in thâ—s life therefore c. Answ. That there is a continual need of Repentance this I deny for true Repentance where it is wrought and the fruits of it brought forth this is unto Salvation never to be repented of and is attended with a real forsaking of sin and transgression this is beyond your fained repentance humility which is still to be repented of as the sins of your best performances are also True and Living Faith purifies the heart and is the Saints Victory and the exercise of it through that Divine Power and Love by which it works against temptations and the fiery darts of the Devil after the mind and heart is cleared from sin and pollution it being one thing for man to sin and another Only to be tempted to sin so that it is a falsehood to say that there is a like reason for a continual need of Repentance in this life as there is for the use of Faith neither doth that 1 Cor. 13. ult prove that Repentance abideth with Faith Hope and Charity as falsly T. D. reasons might he not as well say there is the same reason for repentance to abide that there is for Charity to abide seeing that Faith Hope and Charity abide whereas Charity is the Bond of Perfection Col. 3.14 and Love is the fulfilling of the Law and the end of the Commandment is Love out of a pure Heart which positively opposeth T. D's sinfull Doctrine for sin and imperfection which tends greatly to pervert people and to keep his Hearers in unbelief whilst he doth not only deny that ever any attained to perfection but affirms Freedom from Sin not attainable in this life which is his gross ignorance and unbelief of Christ and his Power which is greater and stronger then the Devil and all his attempts and is able to overcome him and to destroy his works and in this Power of Christ the Faith of the Righteous stands and this we contend for against the Devil and all his sinful Agents who thus mannage and maintain his work And how falsly is it for T. D. pag. 56. to say that Charity or Love suits our present imperfect state as he also saith Faith and Hope doth whereas Charity or Love which is the Bond of Perfectness and is known in the pure heart suits that State which is of its own nature as Perfection and Purity is which is also effected through the true Faith that purifies the heart and that hope which he that hath purifieth himself even as he is pure 1 John 3. which admits not of sin and imperfection term of life for he that abideth in Christ sinneth not And as to that of Phil. 3. Not as though I had already attained or were already perfect to which T. D. saith He denies in one verse what he affirms in another if the word perfect be in both places understood in the same sence verse 12.15 To vers 12. I say that Paul did not say that Perfection was not attainable in this life neither doth it appear to be his judgment for then why should he follow after reach forth or press forward unto those things before and plainly say Let us therefore as many as be perfect be thus minded Whereto we have already attained let us walk by the same Rule Brethren be followers together of me and mark them which walk so as you have us for an Example vers 15 16 17. Surely he was not an Example of sin and imperfection but of purity and holiness yet notwithstanding he then both expected and believed a growth in the Spiritual and Divine Understanding and Apprehension of that for which he was apprehended of Christ so the Perfection he had not already then attained relating to such an apprehension as he speaks of doth not exclude that state of Perfection and integrity that he was then brought and apprehended into of Christ Jesus as to the Purity and Righteousness which he was a partaker of in Christ for the Child of God its growth in Strength Wisdom and Spiritual Vnderstanding doth not render it sinfull or impure in the nature and properties of it but rather shews its Purity and Innocency the more in that its truly capable of such a growth Page 56 57. But then when is this freedom from Sin or state of Holiness which T. D. saith will be in a proper sence perfect attainable if not in this life T. D. The Saints shall be invested with it at the Resurrection called The Resurrection of the Dead Metonimically in the Life to come indeed we shall be like God Reply By this we may understand that he has put off Freedom from sin from all Gods People till the life to come and not only so but till this Metonimical Resurrection according to his terms which he may understand is not as yet to any of the deceased though the Life to come that 's Everlasting as intended is by the Righteous enjoyed after this life I do not intend here to dispute his terms of the Resurrection but admitting it in his sence my end is to shew how he has excluded all the Saints both deceased and yet remaining from a state of freedom from sin as not being yet attained to it if this Resurrection he intends be yet to come and then where are they in the mean time where are their Souls where are their sins and pollutions and imperfections if all be yet uncleansed and not freed from sin will not T. D's Doctrine herein meer and be one with the Popes touching a Purgatory for if none be perfectly cleansed here and yet none come to God or into his Kingdom unclean they must be clensed somewhere he should have told us the Place of Purging which is not in the Grave not in Hell not in the Pit and it must be before Heaven be entred into what place then between both if T. D's Doctrine must be owned for Catholick on Authentick but who is it that are not meer Papist or that have nor drunk up his corrupt Doctrines that cannot see him his Popery Ignorance Confusion and Error herein And what Popery he hath at unawares run himself into is now obvious And Matth. 5.48 Be ye therefore perfect even as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect to this T. D. saith Such Commands are the Measure of our Duty not of our Attainments in this Life Reply Thus he perverts and diminisheth the righteous Commands of God as if God had
then sayes suppose as a subsistent or Person c. But which of these terms it is this Notionist hath not declared to us in his 13th page And this Notionist goes on in the said 13th page and sayes Nor can we say that the Notion of the Father as one Person in the God-head includes the Son nor the Notion of the Son as one Person in the God-head includes the Father Reader Didst thou ever hear the like This is but a Notion of the Father and a Notion of the Son indeed And are these Presbyterian Priests like to interpret Scripture with their Notions Conceptions and Suppositions no no. No one knows the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveals him Nor none knows the Son but the Father and to know God and Jesus Christ is Life Eternal and none can call him Lord but by the Holy Ghost And so this Knowledge is beyond all your false Conceptions Suppositions and Notions And if the Holy Ghost the Saints bodies be the Temple of it which Holy Ghost leads them into all Truth And if the Holy Ghost be a Person then have not the Saints a Person in their bodies And why did not the Apostle say That their bodies were the Temples of a Person according to your Doctrine and Rule the Holy Ghost is a Spirit and so let us see that Scripture which gives the Holy Ghost the Name of a Person And he speaks again in his 14th page of Three distinct Persons are one with the God-head Now Reader is not here Four to wit Three Persons and the God-head But Reader we charge him to give us Chapter and Verse for this Doctrine for we must order him with the Rule And then he tells us of a Notion of the Father and including the Son it 's but his own Notion for if he had known him he would have spoken in a form of sound words whereby he might not have been reproved And again the Presbyterian sayes the Three Persons are distinct and the Rule is to be understood that they are One among themselves only in respect of that wherein they agree not simply Answ. Reader take notice he sayes The Father and Son and Holy Ghost which he calls Three Persons doth not agree simply Is not this contrary to Scripture What agreement is this which is not simply What! separate distinct Persons not agreeing simply Come what is this agreement then if it be not an agreeing simply Tell us what it is by Chapter and Verse thou sayes the Scripture is the Rule Where doth the Scripture say That the Father Son and Spirit doth not agree simply Didst thou not say That God was so simple that he admitted of no parts what agreement is this if it be not simple What is it then tell us Dost thou not abuse the Father Son and Spirit and Scriptures clear thy self and make this good That the Father Son and Spirit doth not agree simply if not simply then tell us how and give Chapter and Verse for it out of the Scriptures or else acknowledge thy self to be of a Sandy Foundation Seeing thou sayst A Man is a Person and God is a Person and the Scripture saith God is a Spirit and Christ was conceived by the Holy Ghost the begotten of the Father Was Christ the Image of the Father as he was of the Generation of Abraham or David or Adam or according to the Spirit Whether of these was he the express Image of his Father's substance because thou calls the Father a Person And the Scripture sayeth He suffered according to the Flesh which he did not die as he was God and the Scripture calls him Son of Man and Son of God and he being the express Image of his Fathers substance see the Old Translations And dost thou not in thy 16th page of thy Synopsis bring the Greek Philosophers to prove the Persons Yes How now Presbyterian Priest thou hast run beside thy own Directory and Scripture both but the Greek Philosophers must be thy Rule and Leader surely People will not alwayes have their Eyes blinded by you Christ is come to open them And in the 17th page of his Book the Presbyterian saith that Hypostasis must be rendred Person or Subsistent or some word to that Effect he sayes So People see it must be some word but what it must be he knows not and so in this manner they are giving Names to Christ and God besides the Rule of Scripture we charge thee shew us a Verse in Scripture that speak such Language and where one word may be put for another by Metalepsis and so leave People in Doubts and Questions you are going beside your Scripture and Rule that at last People shall not know what to call God and Christ. So the Presbyterians and Independants must give us Scripture For we will not be satisfied with your Notions and Whymsies and false Conceptions which you have from Aristotle and the Greek Philosophers and the Papists and Cardinals We do command you to give us Scripture Chapter and Verse Presbyterians and Independants for these things plainly seeing you are of late perked up in a way of scolding against us not like the Holy Men of God Patient and Meek and apt to Teach as you may see in the latter end of your Brother Vincent's Book Is that the Language of a Christian No He hath declared what spirit you are of Rabshecha's spirit railing and speaking evil of the way of Truth he thinks to overcome by Railing and complaining not by Love nay the Lamb must have the victory Whether or no was Christ's Blood shed for All men and by it Justifies All men they living in their sins and not believing in it are they saved by their saying they believe in the Blood and not believing in the Light which Christ Commands and become Children of the Light and they say they believe and yet not pass from Death to Life and from sin that brings Death And whether or no any are cleansed from all sin by the Blood of Christ but such as walk in the Light of Christ as in 1 Joh. 1. And so whether or no are those Justified who believe not in the Light of Christ nor passes from Death to Life nor walks not in the Light whether or no are those Justified by Christ's Blood and have not the Testimony of Justification in them as in the accompt to God Christ's Blood was shed for All men but for a man to come to partake of this Justification is it not to feel the Blood sprinkling the Heart and Conscience For the outward Jewes in the Figure had Blood sprinkled upon them in the outward Offerings Come answer us by Scripture Do not daub up People with untempered Mortar do you know the Mortar that is tempered Whether or no was Christ an Offering for the sins of the whole World and died for the sins of the whole World Whether or no all the sinners and ungodly of the whole World
used for Substance as before in Heb. 1.3 and not Person It would not be proper to say Faith is the Person of things hoped for but the Substance Also the same word is in 2 Cor. 9.4 where we have it Constant or Confident In Greek 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in Latine Substantiâ Substance not Person And so the Son of God is the express Image or Character of his Substance which cannot be severed as a distinct Person from his Substance he being also the brightness of the glory of God which expresseth or sheweth the transcendent Glory of his Divine Substance beyond all visible Appearances Faces or Persons and is only seen and revealed in the Light and Life of God and his Son within revealed only to such in whom the Image of God is renewed whose minds and eyes are so spiritual as to look and see beyond all the fallen Inventions and Imaginations of corrupt ignorant men who are groaping in the dark and vainly imagining to know comprehend and declare the Immortal Invisible God in such invented Names and Terms as they have but meerly by Tradition from men without which do most suite their dark thoughts and carnal conceptions whereby they can never know God nor perceive Divine or Spiritual things but thereby have greatly darkned both themselves and others CHAP. I. Of the Answer wherein Thomas Vincent's railing and sinful Doctrines for Sin and Imperfection are Refuted and his Contradictions discovered IN Tho. Vincent his Title Page and Introduction a storm of bitter railing aspersing and slandering the Innocent People of God called Quakers hath proceeded from him as Black-mouths most hideous Blasphemies Socinian and damnable Heretical opinious Doctrines and the like with several false accusations and slanders cast upon G.F. I.N. and others which hath been long since Answered and Refuted both in verbal Testimonies and in Print And the envious ridged Spirit of several Presbyterians against us therein plainly discovered And let the impartial Reader judge Whether such-like railing Language against us as T. V. hath vented doth become one pretending to be Christ's Minister or one that would have People believe he hath built upon the Rock or hath Christ Jesus for his Foundation whereas they that learn of Christ learn meekness lowliness humility and not railing reviling and slandering which proceeds from bitter envy in the heart which where it is there is confusion c. as plainly appears in T. Vincent and his Brethren's Work which proceeds not from the Wisdom which is from above which is pure and peaceable but from that which is earthly sensual devillish So let the unbyassed judge whether T. V. be a competent man to write about such high Mysteries about God and Christ which are concern'd in our Controversie yea or nay when he hath shewed himself to be in a contrary Spirit to that of Christ and his Ministers And whereas T. V. scornfully reflects upon the People called Quakers touching W. P. saying He being counted among them one of their chief this is false because of some smattering of Learning which they conceit he hath This is also both false and scornful for we lay not such a stress upon smattering of Learning nor on natural Learning it self as to make that the supereminent virtue to make men chief amongst us our esteem does depend upon that which is of a higher nature than either mens Natural parts Arts or Learning even upon the Spirit and Power of God which gives the right understanding and is not limited or tyed to mens Traditional Learning and Knowledge but gives Understanding and Wisedom unto the simple to see beyond all their corrupt Knowledge and beggarly scraps of Learning and Inventions of men wherein they are puft up But so far as W. P. hath a discovery both of the envious Spirit and Babylonish Confusion and dark un-scriptural Doctrines of T.V. and others of his ridged fraternity I am confident he doth not impute that discovery to his Natural Learning nor Parts but to the gift of God's Power and Spirit and desires to magnifie that over all the other And as for T. V. his going to shelter himself with a pretence of those Doctrines which Protestants generally believe to be essential this will neither cover his weakness and confusion nor hide the envy of his heart that hath vented its self in his Pamphlet against an innocent People Neither do I believe That any of the unbyassed Protestants that are accounted competent in these matters will either own many of T. V. his Principles or his shallow way of managing those that are owned amongst them And as to his accusing us of more grossely erring in the Fundamentals of Religion than the Papists themselves It may be justly charged upon himself as in divers things hereafter will appear and T. V. hath more absurdly than the Papists argued for Three distinct separate Persons subsistents or subsistences or rather subsistants saith T.D. in one single divine Essence but more of this hereafter One of T. V. his main Accusations against our Doctrine is That two Quakers asserted the Perfection of Saints in this Life and that the proof was 1 Joh. 3.9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin To which T.V. answered That the words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifie He doth not make it his business to sin whereas it is onely He doth not do or commit sin But he should have read a little further 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 he cannot sin The meaning saith he was that such as are born again did not make a trade of sin did not go on in a course of sin did not commit sin with the full bent of the will as the wicked do but that it could not be understood of not committing sin at all from ch 1.8 If we say we have no sin c. there he speaketh of himself and others that were born again c. Reply Let every impartial Reader judge whether T. V. his meaning contrary to the plain words of the Apostle Joh. 3.9 be any sufficient proof to evince that our Doctrine of the Perfection of Saints in this Life is either damnable or heretical 1. For first whereas John saith Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin for his seed remaineth in him and he cannot sin because he is born of God Now T. V. his Doctrine and meaning speakes as much as that he that is born of God doth commit sin shall we believe John or him but not so as to make a trade of sin not go on in a course of sin with the full bent of his will as the wicked doth How hath he herein accused the Child of God whom John saith cannot sin because he is born of God his being born of God and so being related to God in his Spirit Nature and Image is made the reason that he commits not sin but if a man should say He commits sin but not to make it his business or to go on in a course of sin
without any just cause both then and when we were afterward at their Meeting to clear our selves from T. V's and W. M. their malicious and slanderous accusation of Blasphemy yea even in the time when I sate silent amongst them some of their Hearers both Men and Women would be railing and clamouring against me when I gave them no seeming much less real occasion at all I being silent So that of all the Assemblies I have been in I never met with any that shewed less Christianity Civility or good Education And whereas T. V. is neither so honest nor yet so ingenious as to acknowledge his apparent and palpable Contradictions in his Sermon set down and observed by W. P. but rather would out-face us and the Readers as though they were no Contradictions Let the Reader therefore take a short review of them as first That a Person that is born of God overcomes the World and yet the Victory in this Life incompleat Is not here an evident inconsistency and contradiction is his Doctrine and ignorance of the Child of God and the Saints Victory which was their Faith 1 Joh. 5.4 For if he have alwayes enemies or sins unsubdued in this Life how are they overcome and victory obtained Or is there a Victory over Enemies and they not overcome What false glosses would he set upon his Contradictions And his instance of the Canaanites among the Children of Israel being like Thorns doing them mischief This was when they did not as God commanded drive them out before them which is no proof in this case to him that is born of God for the wicked one cannot touch him much less mischief him And T. V. his saying That such as are in Christ and cast off the old Man and known a change altogether New and yet worldly Lusts cannot be extirpated out of God's People in this World Do but mark his plain Contradiction again here and how doth he clear himself by questions May not Have not Worldly Lusts a being and some power to oppose in God's People where they have lost their rule But how then are they in Christ and have cast off the old man and known a change altogether new what must the old worldly Lusts still remain unextirpated in this Life in Christ Where then is the newness of Life altogether or the Grace of God in its teaching to deny those things obeyed And how then are such as be in Christ new Creatures Or how have they that are his crucified the flesh with the Affections and Lusts Which to accuse all God's People of worldly Lusts all their life time what an abuse is it to them Did not Paul see and attain a state beyond that wherein he had seen a Law in his members warring and leading him captive c. Did not he see the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ to make him free from the Law of Sin Death when through Christ he became more than a conqueror And could he be in all those states he mentioned to the Romans then at one and the same time to wit carnal sold under sin led captive having a will to do that which was good but knew not how and also to be freed from the Law of Sin and Death by the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus one dead to sin that could not live any longer therein and more than a conqueror c. could these states be consistent or all his at one and the same time viz. To be Carnal Wretched a Captive ignorant of his Duty and yet a Delivered Freed Spiritual man more than a Conqueror and an Apostle that then knew how to write that Epistle Instruct others and Preach to them in the Fulness of the Gospel Were not these Latter his Attainments at that time wherein he shews his deliverance from the former Bondage Servitude and Thraldom under the power of Sin and the Law and Body of it which is not to remain alwayes but to be ended abollished and destroyed by the Power and Operation of Jesus Christ in them that believe For if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin but the Spirit is Life because of Righteousness And where the old man is crucified with him it is to the destruction of the body of sin that henceforth sin should not be served Rom. 6.6 chap. 8.10 And Paul speaking to the Romans after the manner of men because of the infirmity of their flesh ch 6.19 And his so condescending to speak of several states that he had passed through was not to encourage any to plead or contend for sin term of life as most injuriously his Intention is perverted by these Ministers of Sin and Antichrist whilst that he also shews his Deliverance and Conquest but rather that men should believe as he had done in order to their obtaining perfect Victory and Conquest by the same Power and Spirit of Christ in which true Believers confide and trust against all the powers of Darkness Temptations and evil Motions knowing that Christ's Power is stronger than the Devil's power And it 's for Christ's Power and Work that we contend both against the Devil his Work and Messengers who dispute and contend for sin term of life which is their great injury both against Christ his Work and People and that which hath greatly strengthened the hands of evil-doers And T.V. his telling That Sin may tyrannize over Believers and yet not have Dominion but be in Captivity in Chains Who is so blind that cannot see his Contradiction herein and his silly come off in instancing that a Slave in Chains may sometimes break loose and Tyrannize what then is this Captivity and these Chains under which the sin is held and how doth it tyrannize and yet not have dominion what silly work is this But his saying You must kill or be killed either you must overcome the world or the world you What must they kill but sin and worldly lusts Surely this is further than an incompleat Victory and further than an Enemy breaking loose if he be killed for if he be slain he hath neither power to break loose lead captive and much less to tyrannize over Believers It is strange how T.V. can so far shut his eyes or endeavour to blind others as to seek to gloss over these notorious Contradictions as if they were in unity and then lightly to say Can you forbear smiling at the man he calleth these Contradictions How shallow and ridiculous hath he rendered himself herein CHAP. II. In Answer to W. Madox together with several Contradictions between him and his Brother T. Vincent and their Absurdities manifested and detected which shews also their ignorance of the True and Living God c. THese men having prostituted themselves to an Idol of their own brains The Light within which is their Christ Saviour count the Doctrine of the true God a strange Doctrine Answ. The Light within which we do own witness
confess that W. P. confesseth That Christ offered unto God a satisfactory Sacrifice c. yea a most satisfactory Sacrifice but not to help God as being otherwise unable to save men However it is evident that W. P. has according to Scriptures confessed to God's Power Omnipotency Infiniteness and also That Jesus Christ in Life Doctrine and Death fulfilled his Fathers Will and offered up a most satisfactory Sacrifice so that he hath been wrongfully accused concerning this matter And whereas T. V. saith That God's Righteousness and Truth obliegeth him to take vengeance upon all that have transgressed his Law and his will to punish sin and sinners according to their desert his Justice doth ingage him c. Answ. How then is God free in his Attributes as they confess and his Good Will shewed by Christ unto men for their good in order to Salvation or hath God two contrary Wills the one obliging him to take Vengeance or execute Judgement to the uttermost upon All and the other to Exercise Patience Forbearance and shew Mercy and so not to Will the Death of Sinners but rather their Return that they may Live Is there any variableness or shaddow of Change in God or rather is not the Love and Good Will of God held forth in Christ to all men in the first place and that then when he Chasteneth Corrects Reproves any for sin it is not in Vengeance or Fury but in Love and Good Will for his Vengeance is to fall upon his Adversaries that have rejected and turned against him and the free proffers of his Love in Christ Jesus and who have Crucified Christ unto themselves a-fresh and trampled upon the Blood of the Covenant and so despised the one Offering which was offered up once for all as a real Witness of God's Good Will Patience Forbearance Long-suffering towards all And now to T. V. his saying That Sinners must have Divine help to inable them to their duty or in doing good and when they have done their duty their works are but imperfect and they unprofitable servants and for it brings Luke 17.10 When you have done all the things commanded say we are unprofitable servants our Righteousness is as filthy raggs Isa. 64.6 Answ. If you Presbyterians and Professors were come to know a Divine help in what you do and to do all the things Commanded you would give us a better account of those Works and Performances brought forth by Divine help than to compare them to filthy Raggs Divine help would cloath you with better Garments than filthy Raggs What sad Doctrine is this to say the Good that is done by Divine help and that doing all things Commanded of God are but as filthy Raggs What darkness is this not to distinguish between self-Righteousness which are but as filthy Raggs and the good that 's done by Divine help that hath a beauty and splendour of God's Righteousness with it Is this the construction you make of Christ's Satisfaction or being a Sacrifice to God that you must be cloathed upon all your Life time with your own filthy Raggs of self-Righteousness And then to cover over all these your Babylonish Brats with a pretence of Christ's Satisfaction paying your Debt for you imputation of his Righteousness deceitfully and feignedly applyed by you to your selves in your filthy Raggs whilst you have no share in it nor feel in you the Effect of his sufferings as if you were only to believe and apply and sin all your time you are far from the state of the unprofitable Servant that did all that he was Commanded You are daily breaking the Commands of God and Plead for it much more farther from the state of those whom Christ called no more Servants but Friends T. V. That God never doth nor will nor can pardon any sinner without satisfaction made to his offended Justice for their sins Reply But then in Contradiction to himself he saith I shall not concern my self to inquire what God could or might do if he pleased Why then doth he say he never will nor can and seem to lay such an Impossibility upon God in the case as if he could not freely Pardon whereas he could do whatsoever he pleased and certainly he could both please and satisfie himself And then I Query How is this Satisfaction made by Christ T. V. It depends upon him as the second Person in the Trinity pag. 54. Query Does it depend upon him as Man or as God and Man T. V. It was necessary that the Person that should make Satisfaction should be Man because none but a Creature could suffer But then he adds It were necessary he should be God othewise the sufferings and satisfaction would have been but finite Query What then were the Sufferings Infinite that the Wicked inflicted upon the Body of Christ seeing nothing but a Creature could suffer he saith and yet as a Creature could give no proportionable Satisfaction to Infinite Justice What Confusion is here For as God he could not Suffer nor Die as is confessed but God did strengthen the Manhood to bear up under such opressure of Wrath But where doth the Scripture say That Christ the second Person in the Trinity did suffer under infinite Wrath either as God or Man or both He should have produced his plain Scripture for Scripture we own and Christ's Satisfaction as rightly stated and what a most acceptable Sacrifice he was to the Father for All yea his Suffering as Man or in the Flesh without the Gates at Jerusalem was all acceptible to God his Soul was also made an Offering for sin and that he was a Lamb slain from the Foundation of the World the Mystery Virtue and Effects of his Sufferings none knows but they that believe in his Name and receive the Righteousness of Faith But indeed the manner of T. V's stating the business I do not see that sense can be made of it whilst he makes it a Payment of a second Person distinct from God and yet not as a Creature for as such the Sufferings were finite as he faith that could not bear a proportionable Satisfaction to infinite Justice and then it being as God united that did bear up and strengthen the man under opressure of Wrath that made this Satisfaction as he hath stated it c. Obs. What amounts this to that God made a satisfaction to and paid himself either by inflicting infinite Wrath upon Christ as God which cannot be or else that he satisfied himself by the finite Suffering of Christ as man when as that which was finite could not satisfie infiniteness they say And as God-man can they say he was the subject of Wrath or vindictive Justice as their term is How these things should be reconciled I leave to the ingenious Readers to judge Answ. Yes still we know that God was ever satisfied and well-pleased in Christ Jesus and in all his Works and it was God that was in him reconciling the World
unto himself and Christ is the Son of his Love and it was out of his Free Love that he sent him into the World His sending Christ surely was his own Free Grace and no man's Purchasing and then his Love was openly testified of when Christ was come who came in that Free Love of God which was testified and held forth in Christ Jesus to man and he gave himself a Ransom to Redeem and Purchase man out of Transgression and not to let him lye in sin and imperfection all his life time the Good Will of God in sending Christ in delivering him up for man and giving him for a Propitiation for the sins of the whole World and his tenders of Free Pardon Remission and Redemption in him was that man might receive Christ and come into the Living Faith and be partaker in himself of those precious benefits Heavenly Priviledges tendred in Christ not that man should live in sin all his time for an Act of Free Pardon is not granted that men may take liberty to live in Sedition and Treason all their life but for those Offences past Nor that men should Plead that all Offences past present and to come are Pardoned therefore they cannot be free from Rebellion Sedition and Treason all their Life time this were a sad Consequence and not to be born then you that plead a Satisfaction made to God extending thus far your sin and imperfection term of Life being in you the ground of this Plea and also that which you cover and maintain by it and then when God and Christ require true Repentance perfect Obedience Righteousness c. you tell God the Debt is paid and all satisfied by another without you How then do you Answer the pure Law and requirings of God within Priests and Professors their Answer viz. We indeavor and strive and press after perfection as much as we can but we don't believe it is attainable here Reply Then your indeavouring and striving is all in the unbelief How do you indeavour and strive Priests We Pray and seek God in Ordinances and perform Duties Query But what doth all your performances amount to while Perfection is denied and Sin contended so much for by you Pr. All our best performances are sinful we had need to ask forgiveness for the sins of our best Duties of our Prayers and all other Performances See our Directory Catechism c. So that all our Righteousness in our best state are but polluted and filthy Raggs Dross Dung c. Query How now Professors Do you thus requite God for his Love and is this the use you make of your Plea for a full Satisfaction and Debt paid for you do you thus requite the Lord and answer his requirings will he accept of these things at your hands Pr. God looks not upon us as we are in our selves but upon Christ's Righteousness in his Active and Passive Obedience whereby he fully satisfied for us Query What then Do you think that God will be satisfied on your parts with your filthy Raggs rotten Clouts Dross and Dung which you offer to him or will he not rather take it as a mockery or wrong at your hands thus meanly to requite him what do you signifie for him Was this the end of Christs suffering for Man and his being a Sacrifice well-pleasing to God and a Propitiation for the sins of the whole World did he appease Wrath fulfil Righteousness bear the Sins or the burthen of them in his own Body that men might take this liberty to Sin Pollution Rebellion term of Life and so live all their time in Disloyalty and without subjection to him and then when he requires Obedience of you and to answer his pure Law in the heart you go and offer a few rotten Clouts filthy Raggs Dross and Dung and such nauceous stuffe to him will not he return it upon your own faces as a mockery and contempt done to him Behold I will spread Dung upon your faces even the Dung of your solemn Feasts Mal. 2. So it may be justly said Even the Dung of all your best Performances feigned Humility feigned Confessions feigned Prayers feigned Pretences feigned Applications feigned claiming an Interest in the Satisfaction and Imputation of the Righteousness and Obedience of Christ whilst you are out of it cloathed with your own rotten Clouts and filthy Raggs And if a People should deal thus with their Prince after he has granted and given an Act of Free Pardon and Indempnity that they should both take liberty to Rebellion and Treason and not only so but Plead for it as you do for sin term of Life and tell People they must lay hold and apply this Pardon but they must not expect to be free from actual Rebellion against their Prince while they live How would this be taken and what ungratefulness and unworthiness would this import on their parts How would they be acquitted before him Nay if they should go to requite their Prince by spreading a deal of rotten Clouts before him and a deal of Dross and Dung under his Nostrils every day upon his Table and not only so but publickly in the sight of the People once or twice a Week at least as you do your sinful Prayers and Performances would not this be taken as an high Affront and Indignity put upon a Merciful Prince Judge what would be the effect hereof Nay if you should present an Oblation before him mixt with Poyson and Infection and he know it to be so what would be your recompence And do you not present your sinful Prayers and Performances before the Lord from your sinful polluted hearts which are deceitful and desperate wicked above all things and therefore full of deadly Corruption and Poyson will your feigned Humility feigned Applications stand you in any stead herein Bring no more vain Oblations before the Lord go offer it to thy Prince and see if he will accept thy Person Mal. 1. That the Son of Man came to give his Life a Ransom for many and that he is the Propitiation through Faith in his Blood and that in due time he died for the ungodly bare our sins in his own Body upon the Tree that he was wounded for the Transgressions of the People that he hath loved us and given himself for us an Offering and Sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling savour See Matth 20.28 Rom. 5.6 1 Pet. 2.24 Isa. 53.5 Rom. 3.25 yea we own and confess to Christ in his Suffering being an Offering dying for the ungodly more than you Presbyterians do First as to the Universal Love of God shewed forth therein Secondly As to the Vertue Power and Effects of his Death Sacrifice Blood c. First In that he Died for All men for the Ungodly in general tasted Death for every man gave himself a Ransom for All to be testified of in due time that he is the Propitiation for the sins of the whole World which you say is
Heavens and is thereby become a most compleat Captain and perfect Example Obs. Here Christ is confest to as the Gift of God's Eternal Love for the Life and Salvation of men that come to receive him and his Appearance to destroy the works of the Devil which his own Light and Grace maketh manifest as it is believed and waited in and so Christ is the Leader and Captain of such and is made unto us Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption And I ask who are those T.V. saith That the Lord extendeth his special Mercies to And whether is Mercy extended to All in sending his Son into the World and what more special Mercies can there be than the only begotten Son of God who is given for a Light for a Leader for a Covenant for Life and Salvation that whosoever receives and believes in him might receive the blessed End and Priviledge of his Coming and Manifestation to wit Life and Salvation in him from Sin Death and Destruction And whereas T.V. in pag. 65. brings an Instance That the Soul cannot see without the Body for want of an Organ and that therefore tho God separately cannot satisfie because he cannot suffer and man separately cannot satisfie because the satisfaction would not be of infinite value yet as God-Man he satisfied c. Reply Do but mark what an Instance and Comparison he has here brought in Competition with the Infinite Omnipotent God to shew us that God separately cannot satisfie any more then the Soul can see without an Organ And who is it that God cannot satisfie Is it himself Can he not satisfie or please himself Is he ever divided or displeased with himself What gross darkness appears in this Comparison Instance and Assertion to say God cannot satisfie c. and thus to bring the Infinite God and his Infinite Power under the Limitations of finite Creatures Is this any less then Blasphemy let but the indifferent judge in this case Have not these our Oppossers been ready to call us Blasphemers but for bringing an Instance to shew the absurdity of their Doctrine whereas this is an Instance from a finite to an infinite tending to lessen the infinite Power of God And as to his telling That the Soul cannot see without an Organ in one sense that 's not true though he meant outwardly yet it hath a spiritual sight As to his saying That God cannot suffer is in one sense not true though he intended as to Death yet the Spirit of God hath suffered and hath been grieved by man's Transgressions The Rebellious Jews grieved and vexed his Holy Spirit until he became their Enemy and fought against them Isa. 63.10 And did not the Lord say Behold I am pressed under you as a cart is pressed that is full of sheaves Amos 2.13 So did not he suffer in being pressed by them then and did not he say My heart is turned within me my repentings are kindled together I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger I will not return to destroy Ephraim for I am God and not man the Holy One in the midst of thee Hos. 11.8 9. Did not herein his Suffering and Forbearance declare him to be God the Holy One and not man rather then the Execution of the fierceness of his Anger And was not God's being grieved by the rebellious Jews a Suffering when they hardened their hearts and provoked him in the Wilderness for he said Forty years long was I grieved with this generation Psal. 95. therefore to day if ye will hear his voice harden not your heart And did not God suffer long by the old World before he destroyed them seeing when he saw their wickedness it grieved him at his heart Gen. 6.6 Also he said His Spirit should not alwayes strive with them vers 3. So that his Spirit did suffer and was grieved by them before they were destroyed Again How oft did they provoke him and grieve him in the Desart Psal. 78.40 And did not he Complain against the People when they were Rebellious and Polluted saying Your new Moons and your appointed Feasts my Soul hateth they are a trouble to me I am weary to bear them Was not this trouble and being weary with them matter of Suffering and was not this his Suffering for some time before he did ease himself of his Adversaries and avenge him of his Enemies See Isa. 1. And also it 's said Chap. 7.13 Hear ye now ye House of David is it a small thing to weary men but will ye weary my God also And Chap. 43.24 25. Neither hast thou filled me with the Fat of thy Sacrifices but thou hast made me to serve with thy sins thou hast wearied me with thy iniquities I even I am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for my own sake and will not remember thy sins Mark for my own sake So then surely God could satisfie himself seeing it was for his own sake that he blotted out Transgressions and here the infinite Value Ransom and Satisfaction was in himself and what Patience Forbearance Long-Suffering and Forgiveness as was signified by Christ and testified of by his outward Suffering and Death was really in being in God before and in the fullness of time a signal testimony thereof given to man 〈◊〉 induce him to receive the free Love and Grace of God and Life and Salvation in the Son of his Love T.V. Who do ascribe more Grace and Mercy to God than we who do apprehend it in his Son pag. 65. Reply Indeed your apprehensions in that matter are sufficiently manifest before had T.V. added Who do apprehend more Grace and Mercy in God then we that say he cannot Satisfie himself and Christ as man could not satisfie him by finite Suffering and the Grace we ascribe we apprehend it only to extend to a few a select number c. Had T.V. spoke this plainly together People might the more easily have judged whether he has truly ascribed or apprehended concerning the Grace of God and whether many thousands do not ascribe more Grace and Mercy to God that own it in the free and general Extent of it to all men than he hath done Again his confessing That God doth execute his Justice freely as he doth love his Image in his People freely yet both are necessary because Natural and neither forced nor compelled by any External Agent Reply So here 's a better Confession then much of his Work before and it contradict much of it For 1st If his Love be as free as his Justice and neither compelled neither fotced by any External Agent how then is he obliged to take vengeance upon all that have transgressed when upon Repentance he readily pardoneth and passeth by former offences and how then is it impossible for God freely to Pardon 2dly What is that Image in his People he loves freely is it perfect or imperfect if perfect then how do they deny the perfection of any thing within or that 's inherent in the
by him having left out and not stated his Arguments and then rails against his Consequences whereas he and his Brethren would not be so dealt by T. V· Take away Satisfaction then the Word and Spirit and we are false Witnesses then is our Preaching vain and you are all yet in your sins then you must all of you of necessity be damned and punished Eternally Reply Truly so they are like to be for all the help they are like to have from your Preaching especially if their being yet in their sins be a sign of it and that you are false Witnesses and your Preaching vain for so they are like to be in their sins all their Life time if they believe and drink-in your sinful Doctrine for sin and Imperfections remaining in all term of Life And as for T. V's bitter storm he brings forth of accusing and charging W.P. in the same words that Peter said to Simon Magus the Sorcerer or Witch Acts 8.9 21 22 23. and as having no part in Christ's Satisfaction and his heart not being right in the sight of God and to be in the gall of bitterness and bond of iniquity And further adds these words to render him worse viz. Wicked Blasphemies and Abominable and Heretical Assertions I hope W.P. will easily bear such vilifying without reviling again there being no matter of Argument nor Proof in them either to Convince or terrifie him and for the matter of Judgment against him he can Appeal to more Competent and Moderate Persons to judg in the case than T.V. hath shewen himself T.V. Pag. 67. God hath engaged to keep Believers out of a Course of Disobedience and if they do transgress in some particulars he hath threatned to chastize them which is not inconsistent with Christ's satisfying his Justice for their sins since chastizing is not an Act of Vindicative Justice but Fatherly Love Reply Here observe 1st That Chastizement and Revenge are two things 2dly If they be to be Chastized for Transgression it is to bring them into more subjection to God and conformity to Christ and not to leave them in sin and Imperfection term of Life under a Plea of the Debt being fully paid and full Satisfaction being made for them by Christ's under-going Wrath and Vindictive Justice which how do these stand with Free Grace Goodness Pardon Remission c. upon Repentance 3dly How does T.V. suppose Vindictive Justice or Eternal Wrath incurred by mans Offences to be laid on Christ which is not Chastizement as confessed and so he makes full Satisfaction the Effect of God's full Revenge on his Innocent Son as if one should say That God could not command Wrath but were bound thereby till he had Executed the Extremities of it upon Christ for so it hath been deserved by sin and sinners as if he had not absolute Power to shew his Love Good Will and Satisfaction therein for his own Names sake And is not this to render God more cruel than man or his Prerogative below that of Earthly Princes which is best known in shewing Mercy and forgiveness God can do whatsoever he will and his Will is chiefly to that which he most delighteth in to wit Goodness Mercy and Forgiveness that he may shew himself Gracious for to restore man to himself And he saith I will not contend for ever neither will I be alwayes wroth for the Spirits should fail before me and the Souls that I have made Isa. 57.16 And T. V. stating it as God's Revenge or Vindictive Justice on Christ and the Chastizement only on the Transgressors is not Scripture Is. 53.5 for it saith He was bruised for our Iniquities and the Chastizement of our peace was upon him Mark He was bruised and the Chastizement of our peace was upon him It is not said Vindicative or rather Vindictive Justice or the Revenge of our Peace was upon him for T.V. has Confessed a difference and Chastizement comes in Fatherly Love and not Revenge O Lord correct me but with Judgment not in thy Anger least thou bring me to nothing Jer. 10.24 And now this Correction or Chastizement from the Lord is known by his People in the time of their spiritual Travel and Warfare that they may be partakers of his Holiness and perfect Righteousness as they have partaken of Christ's Sufferings and known the Fellowship thereof But and if men continue in Rebellion against Christ rejecting his Love and Grace his Sufferings and Satisfaction will not free them from the severity of God nor from the Execution of his Judgement which is given to Christ to do who hath also Power and Authority to Execute Judgement because he is the Son of man that hath suffered and is that man by whom God will Judge the World in Righteousness Joh. 5.22.27 Acts 17.31 and by whom the secrets of men shall be judged according to the Gospel which he and his Ministers have proclaimed which is the acceptable year of the Lord to them that receive it who have thirsted after it and the Day of Vengeance of our God to them that reject the Love of the Truth and hate to be Reformed how highly soever they may boast of Satisfaction and Imputation c. CHAP. V. Touching the Presbyterian Priests and Professors Doctrine of the Justification of the Ungodly by an imputed Righteousness and T. V. his Plea and Proofs for it Examined FIrst he brings 2 Cor. 5.21 for his Proof viz. He hath made him to be sin for us that knew no sin that we might be made the Righteousness of God in him to which he adds as Christ was made sin for us though Innocent by the imputation of our sin to him for which he was condemned and punished so we are made the Righteousness of God in him though guilty by the imputation of his Righteousness unto us whereby we are Justified Reply Here T.V. has given us their sense of Imputation viz. That Guilty Persons are made the Righteousness of God in Christ and so Justified whilst in their sins by the Imputation of his Righteousness as much as to say when they are really unrighteous and actively sinners yet imputedly Justified and made the Righteousness of God in Christ which is a false and corrupt meaning put upon the Apostles words for there 's no Unrighteousness no Guilt nor Impurity in Christ for in him is no sin and he that abides in him sins not besides as Christ was made a Curse or Sin for us the Scripture doth not say So we are made the Righteousness of God in him For if these words As he So we which are added were true the Consequence would be As he was made to be sin for us who knew no sin nor ever could sin So we are made the Righteousness of God in him who never knew Righteousness nor ever can be Righteous What a gross corruption and perverting of Scripture is this and how contrary to the Righteousness of God to suppose guilty and sinful Persons to be
make man righteous as his condemning Sin in the Flesh was that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us that walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit which righteousness fulfilled in us T. D. formerly said was to be meant in Christ's Person and not in ours by which likewise he hath both excluded man from the real enjoyment of Christ and his Righteousness and from that obedience and sanctity which he requires and answers the end of his coming and manifestation and by this means the Professors have made the Law and Commands and Teachings of God ineffectual as to the Creature whilst Christ only is made the subject of them and not man and this gives a liberty to people to live in sin all their time and to pervert Gods Laws and neglect the teachings of his Grace and vainly to excuse themselves in their disobedience like as T. D. hath done as where the Grace of God and his pure Law requires perfect obedience from us and that denying ungodliness and worldly lusts and that we should live godly righteously and soberly in this present world now if any man should say that this was not intended to us but to Christ as if God did require him to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts to forsake all sin and live righteously when he never did nor could sin nor had the Prince of the world any thing in him this would be a strange put off and gross perversion of the Law of God to lay it all upon Christ and put it from themselves whereas Christ's Example is perfectly to be followed and where he is manifest and his Life brought forth in man there is a conformity to his Heavenly Image and not a living in sin nor to the lusts of the world but to the Will of God Pag. 42. But as to T. D's confessing to the Creditors cancelling the Bâ—nd letting the Debtor out of Prison giving a legal Discharge upon the Sureties payment of the Debt as he could have done upon his personal payment First Hereupon I do enquire if man that hath been in Prison and bondage under sin and corruption be let out of that Prison upon Christ's Obedience if he be then he must not remain in personal bondage all his life time from partaking of Christs Righteousness and Obedience for if he be released from the servitude of sin and be let out of that bondage then he is made free from it by the Law of the Spirit of Life to serve obey and walk in the Law of Righteousness by Faith and this is not an imagined fixion or conceit of Freedom or Justification whilst people are in real bondage which your Doctrine tends to keep people in Though it be true as amongst men that the Act of one Person may by contract or Act of Law become the Act of another as the Sureties payment of the Debt is accepted for the Debtor yet in this case it doth not reach the real and full intent of Christ's Coming Obedience and Righteousness which is to bring man into his Image and to fulfil the righteousness of the Law in man that he may follow his Steps and have the same Mind Spirit and Righteousness in him that was in Christ that he may walk after his Example in all purity and holiness of conversation Yet so far as releasement out of Prison is imported in the comparison or any thing tending to a real Deliverance of the Creature out of Sin and Corruption and so from Condemnation it may be admitted of so for then it contradicts their pleading for sin and imperfection term of life and surely God doth not legally declare any to be righteous whilst his Spirit and Law within reproves them for sin and declares them unrighteous for God and his Spirit do not contradict one another neither doth God declare people to be out of Prison whilst they are really in bondage to their sins lusts and vanities as the carnal Priests and Professors have falsly done but the Liberty which Christ proclaims to the Captives is really to be injoyed and received by every one that believes and receives him his Message and Testimony And this is not a false Imputation or an imagined Application of Righteousness and Freedom to People in their personal bondage of Sin and Corruption such as T. D. and such false Guides have led people into And that of Ezek. 18.20 the Son shall not bear the iniquity of the Father T.D. saith Imports Gods gracious recession from his right because of their more then ordinary Audacity in charging his Ways with inequality This is his false construction For God sheweth his Way to be equal vers 25 26 27. which is no recession from his right as his condemning such as turn from righteousness and Justifying and giving Life to such as turn from wickedness for both Graciousness Mercy and Judgement are his right and he rewardeth every man in Righteousness according to the Equality of his Wayes T. D. Nor doth God Justifie what is opposite to his pure Nature in Justifying a person who in himself is impure upon the righteousness of another imputed to him Reply Is not a person that is in himself impure opposite to God's pure Nature Surely purity and impurity are opposite and whilst the impure Person is rendred the subject of Justification upon another's righteousness imputed he then it seems is accounted pure by T. D. and not opposite to God's pure Nature though he be personally impure but surely God doth not then account him pure whilst in impurity for God cannot lye nor account as the Wicked and Hypocrites do who are pure in their own eyes though not washed from their filthiness and here we may see T. D. and his Brethrens false notion and conception of Imputation and Justification and how contrary it is to Justum facere which the word Justifie signifieth as by him before confest viz. to make Just when now he falsly renders an impure person not opposite to the pure Nature of God from his notion of Imputation and Justification in that state Pag. 44. Arg. 3. Sin came not by Imputation but by actual Transgression This is laid down as the Quakers To which T. D. Answers The sin of Adam was made his Posterities by Imputation Rom. 5.12 14. Adam was a common Root of Mankind by nature Reply Herein hath he perverted the Scripture which doth not say that the Sin of Adam was made his Posterities by Imputation neither doth he hereby prove his notion of Imputation of Righteousness to impure persons for sure he cannot prove that all Adam's Posterity were pure and sin not actually theirs but only imputed to them whilst not partakers of it this is contradictory and as false as their Imputation of Righteousness and Justification to men whilst unjust but the Scripture he mentions Rom. 5.12 saith As by one man Sin entred into the World and Death by Sin so Death past upon all men for that all have sinned mark that for
Presbyterian Teachers give such occasion by their light and vain contests confusions and contradictions to stir up the minds of people into such disputations about things which both they themselves are yet to seek in and by which they do the more darken the Enquirers J.O. should seriously review and examine his Bro. Vincent and T. Danson their contests in their late Pamphlets and see how lightly and sorrily they have contended and how they have contradicted themselves and whether such as they be fit Champions in the management of their Cause it concerns them to pause upon their work and examine it and compare their Books together for they have very palpably contradicted one another in divers passages of principle concernment and if several of them write Pamphlets again against the Quakers they had need to compare them very diligently for otherwise in all probability they will contradict one another as they have done as is the nature of Babel's Builders so to do Pag. 150. J. O. For the term of Satisfaction the right understanding of the word it self defends on some notions of Law that as yet we need not take into consideration Answ. It appears J. O. and his Brethren's understanding of their Doctrine herein depends on notions of Law not yet taken into consideration and not on any living experience of the Gospel of Gods Divine Power wherein the Righteousness of Faith is revealed and the living and blessed effect of Christ's suffering and death and here they bring us their notions instead of Gospel so that what they tell us in this matter it is not from a saving knowledge or sence of the work of God in themselves but notions received by tradition from one another though they intermix many Scriptures among their notions and therefore would have all go for Gospel that they divulge but who knows the Power of God within and the fellowship of Christ's Sufferings will own the Scriptures of Truth as we do and not relie upon their uncertain notions about which so much of their confusion and contradiction amongst themselves doth appear that little of their work can certainly be laid hold on as with any confidence of their stability howbeit J. O. has in several things consented to the Truth in words which we do own though we do not believe that he or his Brethren do experience the Life and Power of what they profess as where J. O. Confesseth That God out of his infinite Goodness Grace and Love to mankind sent his only Son to save and deliver them viz. from their sins and that this Love was the same in the Father and Son and that Christ gave himself a Ransom for all to be testified in due time 1 Tim. 2.6 And gave himself for us that he might redeem us from all iniquity Titus 2.14 And to finish Transgression and to make an end of Sin to make Reconciliation to bring in Everlasting Righteousness Dan. 9.24 And that God had provided himself a Lamb for a Sacrifice And God doth not pardons Sins freely without requiring Faith Repentance and Obedience in them that are pardoned and it is certain that the prescribing of Faith and Repentance in and unto Sinners antecedently to their participation of it c. We are to be discharged upon Gods terms and under a new obligation unto his Love c. Thus far J.O. Observ. In all which observe that J. O. has confessed unto the Truth much more then some of his Brethren For first to the infinite Goodness of God and his Love the same in Father and Son which declares the freeness of both towards man kind and their union therein for mans deliverance from Sin Death and the Curse Secondly That God sending his Son was to save and deliver from Sin to redeem us from all Iniquity It s well if J. O. truly believes what he sayes herein for his Brethren T. V. and T. D. have pleaded the contrary in their contending for Sin and Imperfection in all Believers term of Life Thirdly Christ giving himself a ransom for all to be testified of in due time instead of For All Presbyterians and Independants were wont to say it was but for a few that he died only for a certain select number wherein they have denied the universal Love and Grace of God in Christ to mankind Fourthly His coming to finish Transgression to make an end of Sins and to bring in Everlasting Righteousness is both beyond and contradicts their sinfull Doctrine for sin and imperfection and their notion of imputation of Christ's Righteousness to sinfull persons whilst they are not at all really partakers of Christ's Righteousness Holiness or Purity in them no more then Christ was guilty of sin when he knew no sin according to T. D's instance and erroneous Argument for a proportion in that case Fifthly And seeing that without Faith Repentance and Obedience on the Creature 's part God doth not pardon sins freely it appears it is not peoples bare application and belief of what Christ hath done and suffered for them that will free and acquit them without the knowledge and sence of his Power which works living Faith and Repentance and makes willing to obey the pure Law of God in the heart and the new Covenant in the inward parts for as J. O. confesseth it would altogether unbecome the holy God to pardon Sinners that continue so to live and die in their sins pag. 179. this is a truth which he and his Brethren had need to look to that they be not found guilty both in Principle and in Practice as namely both contending and preaching up a continuance in sin and imperfection all their dayes as T. D. and T. V. hath done and as it s said by many some of the Presbyterian Teachers do more of late revile the Quakers for holding Perfection and Freedom from Sin attainable in this life and to perswade people against the belief of such a state more then they have done heretofore wherein they work as if they would hasten people to Hell and Destruction and do but strengthen the hands of the Evil-Doers that they may not forsake their sins by promising them life as the false Prophets did and promising them pardon and peace on the account of all being fully paid and satisfied for them they living and dying in sin or telling them that perfection is not attainable till after death as namely till the Resurrection as T. D. and others of them have affirmed but they had little need to preach up such Doctrine for their Hearers and Followers are prone and apt enough to run on in sin and transgression without their Leaders tutering them in it they had not need to drive them on to Hell and Destruction the Devil can lead them fast enough thither who continue Sinners to live and die in their sins wherein it does not become the holy God to pardon them as is confessed And now touching your Explication Declaration and Confession
Their own mouths will Condemn them when they charge God with laying impossible Lawes upon Mankind Yet such is the unlimited Nature of Divine Goodness and the exceeding Riches of God's Grace that he makes a large and free offer of Assistance to all those who are so senseable of their own infirmity as to beg it of him And can men then say the Command is impossible when he hath promised an assistance sutable to the nature of the Duty and infirmities of men pag. 23. Hath he not made use of the most obliging motives to perswade us to the Practice of what he requires by the infinite discovery of his own Love the Death of his Son and the Promise of his Spirit and what then is wanting but only setting our selves with a serious Obedience to them to make his Commands not only not impossible but easie to us pag. 24. Thus far E.S. Obs. Here observe That E.S. hath Asserted Truth contrary to the Presbyterians and Independants 1st On the behalf of the Freeness and Sufficiency of God's Grace to Mankind for the Fulfilling or Obeying of God's Commands 2dly In his Asserting the Possibility of man's Obeying them thereby which amounts to Perfection and Freedom from Sin as being attainable by those Divine Helps that God affords man for that end 3dly In Reproving them that being sharply rebuked in their Consciences for sin do charge God with laying impossible Lawes on men which is no less than to charge him with Cruelty or Tyranny The CONCLUSION The sum of the Controversie between us and our present Opposers consists in these following Heads 1st FIrst I Affirm That their distinguishing the Deity or God-head into Three separate or finite Personalities and to reckon the Father Son and Holy Ghost not Infinite is Anti-scriptural Erroneous and Blasphemous 2dly That their Affirming Christ not to be Innocent but Guilty of our sins when he Suffered is Blasphemous and so their deeming that the Suffering he underwent was the same Revenge or Vengeance from God which they term Vindictive Justice that 's due to Wicked men Reprobate Angels and Devils this is false also and that upon that ground their stating the matter of Satisfaction to Divine Justice as otherwise It being impossible 〈◊〉 God to Pardon c. All this is to charge God with Injustice and Cruelty against his Innocent Son and is in the first place Blasphemous against Christ and in the next its Impious to the dishonour of both Father and Son 3dly Their Affirming Christ but to have died but for a few and not for all men and that his being a Propitiation or Sacrifice is but for some of all sorts of Jewes and Gentiles and not for the sins of the whole World is contrary to plain Scripture and repugnant to the free Grace and gift of God to all 4thly Their Affirming That Christ doth not enlighten every man with a spiritual saving Light but with a natural insufficient Light is an Erroneous Doctrine of Darkness and Antichrist and repugnant both to Christ and God's free Grace and Love in him to Mankind 5thly Their Affirming Perfection or freedom from sin not to be attainable in this Life and so their arguing for sin term of Life is Antichristian and of the Devil being against the Commands and Promises of God and against the Power and Coming of Christ and frustrates the end of his Suffering Sacrifice and Manifestation 6thly Their Notion of Imputation of Christ's Righteousness to impure sinful rebellious Persons who are not partakers of it in themselves nor yet in that Faith which purifies the heart and thereupon their reckoning them Righteous in God's account is a false Notion and none of God's nor Christ's Imputation but as Gross Erroneous and Impious as their imputing sin to Christ as not being Innocent when he Suffer'd but Guilty c. 7thly And their Affirming men to be Justified or in a Justified state by an Imputed Righteousness whilst actually sinful and unjust is as false and as great abomination as he that Justifieth the Wicked and he that Condemneth the Just or as they are that Condemn Christ as not being Innocent and Justifie sinful men or Hypocrites as being Righteous whose Faith is but empty dead and feigned 8thly So their Affirming men to be Imputatively Righteous when inherently and actually sinful or Imputatively saved when actually damned And all their Doctrines that tend to dishonour God or Christ and to give People ease and liberty in sin are to be denied as Erroneous Antichristian and Devillish And here in opposition to our Ridgid Opposers both those of Presbyterians and Independants concerned in these Doctrines I further Affirm as followeth First That the Three that bear Record in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit or the Father Son and Holy Ghost are One and inseparable no where in Scripture called Three separate Persons nor finite in Personalities though three in manifestation and so testified of as Three Witnesses for the Confirmation of the Testimony of the Gospel Secondly That Christ was Innocent and not Guilty when he Suffered he was Just that Suffered for the Unjust seeing he freely in the Love of God to man gave and offered himself by the Eternal Spirit a Lamb without spot to God so that he was an Offering well pleasing a sweet smelling savour and so a most acceptable and satisfactory Sacrifice to God for all men It being also possible for God and he doth Pardon men upon Repentance for Christ's sake without either accounting Christ not Innocent or Guilty of men's sins and without either exercising the same Rigour of Punishment Eternal Death or Vengeance upon him that 's due to Reprobates and Devils For it was in one and the same Love mutual Condescention and a Spirit of Compassion and Forgiveness both in the Father and in the Son towards Mankind that Christ was given a Ransom or in which as it 's said God sent his Son and Christ gave himself c. Thirdly That Christ gave himself a Ransom for all men and by the Grace of God tasted Death for every man being a Propitiation for the sins of the whole World to shew forth and give Testimony of God's Love and Grace towards all Mankind Fourthly That Christ inlightens every man that cometh into the World with a spiritual saving Light which they that believe in and follow do receive Life in him the true Light however Darkness oppose or deny it and they that reject or hate his Light are condemned and left without excuse before the Lord by it Fifthly That Perfection and freedom from sin is attainable in this Life to all that believe in the Power of Christ for that end what ever the Devil and his Ministers say to the contrary Sixthly That while Persons are impure or sinful not experiencing the Work of God in them nor the Living Faith in it's Operation nor Sanctification in them God doth not impute Christ's Righteousness to them nor reckon it theirs they being out