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say_v not_o as_o though_o only_a tear_n will_v serve_v but_o peteâ—_n open_v not_o his_o mouth_n lest_o so_o quick_a request_v of_o pardon_n may_v more_o offend_v first_o we_o must_v weep_v and_o then_o request_n but_o a_o plain_a place_n to_o know_v what_o s._n ambrose_n think_v of_o penance_n and_o satisfaction_n be_v his_o whole_a book_n to_o the_o virgin_n that_o have_v break_v her_o vow_n and_o namely_o these_o word_n 84._o ambro._n ad_fw-la virg_n lapsan_n ca._n 8._o pur._n 84._o grande_n sâ—elus_fw-la grandem_fw-la habet_fw-la necessariam_fw-la satisfactionem_fw-la for_o a_o pass_a great_a crime_n be_v necessary_a a_o pass_v great_a satisfaction_n which_o word_n import_v none_o other_o thing_n you_o say_v but_o that_o a_o heinous_a offence_n must_v be_v earnest_o bewail_v if_o repentance_n be_v not_o counterfeit_v as_o though_o he_o there_o doubt_v lest_o her_o repentance_n be_v counterfeit_v and_o not_o earnest_a say_v yet_o unto_o she_o tu_fw-la quae_fw-la iam_fw-la 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but_o also_o every_o private_a man_n may_v not_o pardon_v such_o kind_n of_o satisfaction_n as_o the_o sinner_n owe_v to_o he_o and_o hold_v himself_o content_v with_o as_o little_a as_o he_o listen_v therefore_o to_o omit_v this_o he_o assure_v she_o you_o say_v as_o cyprian_a in_o his_o sermon_n de_fw-fr lapsis_fw-la do_v the_o fall_v man_n of_o his_o time_n that_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n be_v proper_a unto_o god_n only_o and_o follow_v not_o of_o necessity_n the_o sentence_n of_o man_n but_o the_o sentence_n of_o man_n ought_v to_o follow_v the_o judgement_n of_o god_n 73._o pur._n 73._o allude_v belike_o to_o the_o place_n where_o somewhat_o afore_o you_o allege_v cyprian_a &_o gather_v of_o his_o word_n that_o not_o only_o he_o plain_o deni_v that_o absolute_a &_o sovereign_a authority_n of_o man_n which_o m._n allen_n affirm_v but_o also_o declare_v what_o he_o mean_v by_o satisfaction_n of_o god_n to_o wit_n inward_a and_o hearty_a conversion_n the_o two_o place_n in_o deed_n be_v like_a although_o the_o fall_n of_o that_o
his_o foundation_n of_o purgatory_n though_o in_o other_o place_n contrary_v yourself_o after_o your_o manner_n you_o say_v it_o be_v somewhat_o rifely_a bud_v up_o in_o his_o time_n yea_o and_o thorough_o finish_v and_o to_o prove_v this_o his_o pretence_a doubtfulness_n you_o allege_v four_o book_n of_o he_o enchir._n ad_fw-la laur._n cap._n 69._o ad_fw-la octo_fw-la dulc._n quaest_n q._n 1._o de_fw-fr fide_fw-la &_o open_a ca._n 16._o and_o de_n civi_fw-la dei_fw-la li._n 21._o ca._n 26._o in_o all_o which_o place_n he_o repeat_v one_o say_v as_o d._n allen_n note_v before_o you_o answer_v it_o most_o clear_o and_o show_v against_o this_o pretence_a uncertayntie_a of_o his_o that_o not_o only_o in_o other_o book_n but_o in_o all_o the_o same_o book_n also_o and_o almost_o in_o the_o very_a same_o chapter_n 118._o pur._n 118._o he_o hold_v as_o a_o matter_n of_o faith_n and_o to_o be_v believe_v of_o all_o christian_a man_n that_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o live_a do_v release_v some_o of_o their_o pain_n in_o the_o next_o life_n and_o constant_o as_o all_o other_o catholic_n ever_o do_v confess_v that_o the_o sin_n or_o unclean_a work_n of_o the_o live_a not_o due_o by_o penance_n wipe_v away_o in_o this_o world_n must_v be_v mend_v after_o our_o death_n for_o de_fw-fr ci_o dei_fw-la these_o word_n he_o have_v 2._o august_n de_fw-fr civi_fw-la li._n 21._o ca._n 24._o &_o 13_o ench_n c._n 110._o ad_fw-la dulcit_fw-la q_o 2._o tales_n constat_fw-la ante_fw-la judicij_fw-la diem_fw-la per_fw-la poenas_fw-la temporales_fw-la quas_fw-la eorum_fw-la spiritus_fw-la patiuntur_fw-la purgatos_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v certain_a that_o such_o man_n be_v purge_v before_o domesday_n by_o temporal_a pain_n which_o their_o soul_n do_v suffer_v shall_v not_o after_o the_o resurrection_n be_v commit_v to_o the_o torment_n of_o the_o everlasting_a fire_n and_o a_o little_a after_o temporali_fw-la supplicio_fw-la ac_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la orationibus_fw-la mundatos_fw-la be_v cleanse_v by_o temporal_a torment_n and_o prayer_n of_o the_o holy_a one_o which_o declaration_n of_o d._n allens_n be_v so_o evident_a that_o yourself_o be_v compel_v to_o say_v 121._o pur._n 110.196_o aug._n ciu_o li._n 20._o c._n 25._o li._n 21._o c._n 13.24_o pur._n 121._o howbeit_o 21._o book_n c._n 13._o of_o the_o same_o work_n de_fw-fr ci_fw-fr dei_fw-la he_o conclude_v very_o clere_o and_o that_o upon_o the_o text_n mal._n 3._o esa_n 4._o mat._n 12._o that_o some_o suffer_v temporal_a pain_n after_o this_o life_n this_o may_v not_o be_v deny_v and_o yet_o that_o in_o the_o same_o book_n he_o be_v uncertain_a you_o have_v so_o plain_a word_n that_o you_o suppose_v d._n allen_n never_o read_v the_o place_n in_o augustine_n own_o book_n but_o only_o receive_v his_o note_n of_o some_o elder_n papist_n that_o have_v spend_v more_o time_n in_o gather_v they_o but_o have_v not_o such_o audacity_n to_o utter_v they_o as_o m_n allen._n who_o but_o you_o can_v or_o will_v for_o shame_n of_o heaven_n &_o earth_n set_v such_o a_o face_n upon_o a_o matter_n so_o clear_a of_o itself_o and_o so_o confess_v of_o yourself_o but_o which_o be_v those_o so_o plain_a word_n 69.68_o ench._n c._n 69.68_o nonnullos_fw-la fideles_fw-la per_fw-la ignem_fw-la quendam_fw-la purgatorium_fw-la quanto_fw-la magis_fw-la minusue_v bona_fw-la pereuntia_fw-la dilexerunt_fw-la tanto_fw-la tardius_fw-la citiusque_fw-la saluari_fw-la some_o of_o the_o faithful_a after_o this_o life_n to_o be_v save_v so_o much_o late_a or_o soon_o by_o a_o certain_a purgatory_n fire_n as_o the_o more_o or_o less_o they_o love_v transitory_a good_n but_o yet_o have_v christ_n in_o their_o heart_n for_o the_o foundation_n that_o be_v so_o as_o they_o prefer_v nothing_o before_o he_o but_o be_v ready_a to_o forsake_v all_o rather_o than_o he_o this_o to_o be_v so_o be_v not_o uncredible_a et_fw-la utrum_fw-la ita_fw-la sit_fw-la quaeri_fw-la potest_fw-la &_o aut_fw-la inveniri_fw-la aut_fw-la latere_fw-la and_o whether_o it_o be_v so_o in_o deed_n it_o may_v be_v search_v and_o by_o search_n either_o find_v or_o not_o find_v these_o be_v the_o plain_a word_n in_o which_o to_o reply_n to_o d._n allens_n answer_n you_o will_v needs_o have_v s._n augustine_n so_o often_o in_o one_o book_n and_o almost_o in_o one_o chapter_n to_o be_v gross_o contrary_a to_o himself_o one_o while_o certain_a another_o while_n uncertain_a of_o one_o and_o the_o self_n same_o thing_n but_o d._n allens_n answer_v according_a to_o s._n augustine_n plain_a word_n in_o these_o chapter_n also_o as_o well_o as_o in_o the_o other_o be_v as_o it_o be_v that_o he_o speak_v not_o still_o of_o one_o thing_n or_o of_o one_o purgatory_n fire_n but_o of_o two_o diverse_a the_o one_o purgatory_n fire_n be_v to_o punish_v &_o so_o to_o purge_v by_o temporal_a pain_n the_o soul_n for_o there_o sin_n for_o their_o evil_a life_n though_o not_o so_o evil_a ut_fw-la misericordia_fw-la habeantur_fw-la indigni_fw-la that_o they_o may_v be_v think_v unworthy_a of_o mercy_n of_o this_o purgatory_n s._n augustine_n with_o all_o the_o faithful_a of_o all_o age_n hold_v himself_o â—o_o certain_a the_o other_o purgatory_n fire_n be_v as_o the_o fire_n of_o tribulation_n in_o this_o life_n for_o the_o most_o perfect_a also_o to_o pass_v through_o even_o they_o who_o life_n be_v talis_fw-la in_fw-la bono_fw-mi ut_fw-la ista_fw-la non_fw-la requirat_fw-la so_o good_a that_o they_o need_v not_o to_o be_v relieve_v with_o the_o prayer_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o not_o to_o punish_v sin_n as_o now_o we_o speak_v of_o it_o but_o only_a to_o wear_v out_o by_o little_a and_o little_a rerum_fw-la secularium_fw-la quamuis_fw-la licitè_fw-fr concessarum_fw-la etc._n etc._n such_o affection_n to_o worldly_a lawful_a thing_n as_o to_o wife_n etc._n etc._n that_o without_o grief_n of_o mind_n he_o can_v not_o part_v from_o they_o so_o as_o the_o other_o can_v which_o build_v gold_n silver_n and_o pearl_n who_o work_n therefore_o be_v not_o burn_v up_o quia_fw-la non_fw-la ea_fw-la dilexit_fw-la quorum_fw-la amissione_n crucietur_fw-la because_o he_o do_v not_o love_v those_o thing_n with_o the_o loss_n whereof_o to_o be_v torment_v and_o of_o this_o purgatory_n s._n augustine_n be_v uncertain_a as_o it_o be_v in_o deed_n very_o doubtful_a say_v d._n allen_n to_o this_o day_n also_o 119._o pur._n 119._o not_o only_o because_o we_o know_v not_o whether_o such_o worldly_a lawful_a affection_n do_v remain_v in_o the_o elect_a soul_n depart_v but_o also_o because_o nothing_o but_o sin_n and_o the_o debt_n of_o sin_n seem_v to_o endanger_v the_o soul_n to_o any_o pain_n whether_o it_o be_v poena_fw-la sensus_fw-la or_o only_o poena_fw-la damni_fw-la whereupon_o to_o say_v the_o truth_n it_o seem_v to_o i_o more_o probable_a although_o s._n augustine_n incline_v more_o to_o the_o other_o side_n that_o there_o be_v not_o any_o such_o purgatory_n but_o rather_o that_o after_o full_a penance_n for_o sin_n or_o full_a pardon_n of_o it_o the_o soul_n go_v without_o all_o delay_n straight_o to_o heaven_n and_o so_o i_o have_v show_v plain_o what_o s._n augustine_n be_v certain_a of_o and_o what_o he_o be_v uncertain_a of_o think_v good_a withal_o to_o admonish_v the_o reader_n that_o although_o for_o more_o perspicuity_n i_o name_v two_o purgatory_n out_o of_o s._n augustine_n yet_o i_o mean_v but_o one_o purgatory_n with_o two_o diverse_a operation_n as_o it_o be_v but_o one_o fire_n of_o tribulation_n in_o this_o life_n though_o it_o have_v those_o two_o operation_n to_o purge_v sin_n with_o punishment_n and_o to_o purge_v worldly_a lawful_a affection_n with_o grief_n of_o mind_n when_o we_o must_v in_o persecution_n depart_v from_o our_o belove_a that_o also_o purgatory_n fire_n after_o this_o life_n be_v for_o the_o first_o of_o these_o operation_n it_o be_v certain_a whether_o it_o be_v also_o for_o the_o other_o it_o be_v uncertain_a hitherunto_o pertain_v that_o also_o where_o you_o say_v 317._o pur._n 317._o m._n allen_n affirm_v that_o s._n augustine_n de_fw-fr cura_fw-la pro_fw-la mortuis_fw-la agenda_fw-la never_o doubt_v but_o intercession_n may_v be_v make_v unto_o the_o saint_n for_o the_o dead_a and_o oppose_v to_o his_o affirm_v cap._n 5._o of_o the_o same_o book_n cum_fw-la ergo_fw-la mater_fw-la fidelis_fw-la etc._n etc._n therefore_o when_o the_o faithful_a mother_n desire_v of_o paulinus_n bishop_n of_o nola_n to_o have_v her_o son_n body_n lay_v in_o the_o martyr_n church_n si_fw-la quidem_fw-la credidit_fw-la eius_fw-la animam_fw-la meritis_fw-la martyris_fw-la adiwari_fw-la hoc_fw-la quod_fw-la ita_fw-la credidit_fw-la supplicatio_fw-la quaedam_fw-la fuit_fw-la if_o she_o think_v his_o soul_n to_o be_v holpen_v with_o the_o martyr_n merit_n this_o her_o think_n be_v a_o certain_a supplication_n &_o haec_fw-la profuit_fw-la siquid_fw-la prosuit_fw-la and_o this_o supplication_n profit_v if_o any_o thing_n profit_v here_o augustine_n you_o say_v doubt_v whether_o supplication_n to_o the_o
hence_o there_o be_v now_o no_o place_n of_o penance_n no_o effect_n of_o satisfaction_n here_o life_n be_v either_o lose_v or_o save_v here_o everlasting_a salvation_n be_v procure_v by_o the_o worship_v of_o one_o god_n and_o by_o the_o fruitfulness_n of_o faith_n this_o forsooth_o be_v that_o which_o can_v not_o stand_v with_o the_o papist_n opinion_n of_o purgatory_n by_o this_o forsooth_o appear_v what_o cyprian_n judgement_n be_v of_o purgatory_n and_o the_o effect_n of_o satisfaction_n after_o this_o life_n and_o again_o because_o exhort_v there_o demetrianus_n himself_o proconsul_n of_o africa_n to_o repentance_n which_o have_v be_v so_o you_o say_v deceitful_o change_a change_a as_o though_o he_o now_o be_v convert_v for_o that_o you_o shall_v have_v say_v which_o present_o be_v a_o wicked_a man_n and_o a_o persecutor_n of_o the_o christian_n he_o say_v to_o he_o tu_fw-la sub_fw-la ipso_fw-la licet_fw-la exitu_fw-la &_o aquavitae_fw-la temporalis_fw-la occasu_fw-la etc._n 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