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to_o be_v esteem_v fit_a subject_n for_o baptism_n neither_o will_v this_o evasion_n serve_v mr._n danvers_n turn_v to_o put_v by_o this_o our_o testimony_n and_o i_o wonder_v he_o shall_v labour_v thus_o to_o darken_v truth_n and_o delude_v the_o reader_n for_o it_o be_v true_a those_o word_n beforementioned_a be_v speak_v of_o circumcision_n but_o he_o know_v it_o be_v by_o way_n of_o introduction_n to_o the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n and_o therefore_o that_o he_o may_v not_o impose_v upon_o the_o reader_n i_o will_v give_v the_o whole_a sentence_n of_o ambrose_n from_o the_o magdiburgs_n cent._n 4._o c._n 5._o p._n 240._o the_o law_n command_v the_o male_n to_o be_v circumcise_v when_o new_o bear_v and_o as_o soon_o as_o they_o begin_v to_o cry_v because_o as_o circumcision_n be_v from_o infancy_n so_o be_v the_o disease_n sin_n no_o time_n ought_v to_o be_v void_a of_o a_o remedy_n because_o no_o time_n be_v void_a of_o sin_n neither_o the_o old_a man_n that_o be_v a_o proselyte_n 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infancy_n to_o which_o he_o reply_v that_o i_o impose_v a_o fallacy_n upon_o the_o reader_n for_o translate_n the_o greek_n word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d infant_n thereby_o conclude_v he_o absolute_o for_o infants-baptism_n and_o that_o because_o say_v he_o the_o word_n signify_v a_o state_n of_o childhood_n as_o 2_o tim._n 3._o 15._o and_o therefore_o nazianzen_n must_v be_v understand_v by_o his_o early_a consecration_n to_o mean_v not_o in_o the_o cradle_n but_o as_o he_o explain_v himself_o so_o soon_o as_o they_o be_v able_a to_o understand_v mystery_n except_o in_o case_n of_o death_n and_o when_o i_o pray_v according_a to_o nazianzen_n be_v they_o capacitate_v for_o the_o understand_a mystery_n the_o magdiburgs_n inform_v we_o from_o his_o 3d_o oration_n it_o be_v about_o the_o age_n of_o three_o year_n extra_n periculum_fw-la triennium_fw-la aut_fw-la eo_fw-la plus_fw-la minusve_fw-la expectandum_fw-la esse_fw-la censet_fw-la cent._n 4._o c._n 6._o p._n 416._o that_o 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crit._n sac._n and_o be_v proper_o speak_v de_fw-fr partu_fw-la recens_fw-la edito_fw-la of_o a_o child_n new_o bear_v quote_v beza_n on_o luke_n 18._o 15._o who_o say_v the_o word_n proper_o be_v take_v for_o infant_n teneri_fw-la nimirum_fw-la &_o adhuc_fw-la ab_fw-la uberibus_fw-la pendents_n parvuli_fw-la i._n e._n suck_v babe_n such_o as_o be_v carry_v in_o arm_n the_o same_o word_n be_v give_v to_o christ_n when_o the_o wiseman_n find_v he_o in_o swadling-clout_n luke_n 2._o 12._o and_o we_o have_v it_o again_o for_o a_o newborn_a babe_n 1._o pet._n 2._o 2._o as_o newborn_a babe_n desire_v the_o sincere_a milk_n of_o the_o word_n etc._n etc._n but_o mr._n danvers_n have_v not_o do_v with_o nazianzen_n yet_o and_o therefore_o frame_v a_o objection_n for_o we_o and_o answer_v it_o himself_o thus_o it_o be_v not_o manifest_a that_o in_o case_n of_o death_n he_o will_v have_v a_o infant_n baptize_v to_o which_o he_o answer_v it_o be_v true_a but_o that_o be_v not_o quà _fw-la infant_n but_o as_o a_o die_a person_n we_o see_v by_o this_o acute_a distinction_n that_o our_o antagonist_n be_v not_o only_o a_o critic_n but_o that_o he_o have_v some_o logic_n too_o in_o which_o he_o say_v he_o ow_v little_a skill_n but_o that_o little_a i_o suppose_v be_v in_o that_o part_n which_o they_o call_v sophistry_n or_o the_o abuse_n of_o logic_n but_o that_o the_o weakness_n of_o this_o distinction_n may_v appear_v consider_v 1._o that_o it_o be_v true_a nazianzen_n will_v not_o have_v a_o infant_n baptize_v quà _fw-la infant_n 2._o it_o be_v untrue_a that_o nazianzen_n will_v have_v a_o infant_n baptize_v quà _fw-la a_o die_a person_n for_o if_o they_o be_v to_o be_v baptize_v under_o either_o of_o these_o consideration_n than_o have_v he_o be_v for_o the_o baptise_v all_o infant_n and_o die_a person_n promiscuous_o 3._o but_o nazianzens_n judgement_n be_v to_o have_v they_o baptize_v because_o they_o be_v the_o child_n of_o christian_n in_o imminent_a danger_n of_o death_n they_o be_v such_o as_o be_v capacitate_v for_o that_o ordinance_n on_o the_o account_n of_o god_n covenant_n else_o why_o do_v he_o speak_v of_o circumcise_n child_n in_o the_o very_a place_n which_o be_v now_o under_o debate_n melius_fw-la est_fw-la enim_fw-la nondum_fw-la rationis_fw-la compotes_fw-la sanctificari_fw-la quam_fw-la non_fw-la signatos_fw-la et_fw-la initiatos_fw-la vitâ_fw-la excedere_fw-la nazianz._n orat._n 40._o it_o be_v better_a say_v he_o they_o shall_v be_v consecrate_v without_o their_o knowledge_n than_o to_o die_v without_o the_o seal_n and_o not_o be_v initiate_v idque_fw-la nobis_fw-la designat_fw-la octavum_fw-la diem_fw-la circumcisio_fw-la illa_fw-la itaque_fw-la fuit_fw-la figurale_fw-la signaculum_fw-la ac_fw-la propter_fw-la irrationale_n introducta_fw-la for_o so_o it_o happen_v to_o the_o circumcise_a babe_n of_o israel_n but_o let_v the_o account_n be_v what_o it_o will_v upon_o which_o nazianzen_n will_v have_v child_n
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consecration_n and_o unction_n that_o be_v chrism_n from_o tertullian_n out_o of_o the_o tradition_n of_o montanus_n here_o be_v nothing_o of_o apostolical_a tradition_n and_o hamelmannus_fw-la show_v what_o tradition_n cyprian_n hold_v that_o he_o take_v up_o the_o ceremony_n of_o consecration_n and_o unction_n from_o tertullian_n but_o not_o a_o word_n of_o call_v it_o a_o apostolical_a tradition_n there_o be_v nothing_o in_o this_o section_n more_o but_o only_o that_o mr._n danvers_n do_v endeavour_v to_o vindicate_v himself_o from_o a_o mistake_n about_o augustine_n word_n which_o i_o charge_v upon_o he_o but_o it_o be_v so_o intricate_a and_o dark_a that_o i_o do_v not_o very_o well_o understand_v he_o also_o there_o be_v some_o disparagement_n cast_v by_o he_o upon_o that_o bless_a martyr_n of_o jesus_n christ_n mr._n philpot_n and_o a_o fling_n against_o the_o new-england_n way_n of_o baptise_v the_o child_n only_o of_o inchurched_n parent_n with_o some_o other_o reflection_n which_o i_o let_v pass_v as_o futilous_a have_v no_o mind_n to_o spend_v time_n in_o such_o small_a matter_n chap._n iii_o wherein_o mr._n danvers_n endeavour_v to_o vindicate_v his_o witness_n against_o my_o exception_n and_o the_o same_o examine_v and_o find_v insufficient_a 1._o he_o begin_v with_o particular_a person_n but_o first_o mind_v i_o with_o my_o penuriousness_n in_o my_o preface_n to_o infants-baptism_n where_o i_o allow_v he_o from_o the_o first_o century_n to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o twelve_o only_o two_o person_n against_o infant-baptism_n viz._n adrianus_n and_o hincmarus_n but_o what_o will_v he_o think_v of_o i_o now_o for_o i_o have_v deny_v he_o those_o two_o also_o as_o before_o and_o have_v show_v the_o ground_n of_o the_o mistake_n why_o they_o have_v be_v look_v upon_o under_o the_o notion_n of_o antipedobaptist_n the_o first_o witness_v mention_v be_v tertullian_n who_o say_v mr._n danvers_n oppose_v it_o in_o six_o argument_n we_o shall_v inquire_v into_o they_o by_o and_o by_o mr._n danvers_n say_v true_a that_o i_o acknowledge_v tertullian_n have_v divers_a passage_n seem_o against_o infants-baptism_n but_o according_a to_o his_o humour_n he_o be_v catch_v i_o up_o before_o i_o be_o down_o for_o he_o call_v upon_o the_o reader_n to_o take_v notice_n that_o his_o witness_n be_v own_v by_o i_o and_o be_v it_o not_o a_o very_a great_a own_v indeed_o to_o say_v he_o have_v divers_a passage_n that_o seem_v to_o be_v against_o it_o but_o in_o the_o 38_o page_n of_o my_o infant_n baptism_n i_o give_v a_o reason_n why_o it_o be_v more_o than_o probable_a that_o tertullian_n be_v for_o infant-baptism_n in_o the_o 41_o page_n that_o he_o be_v no_o more_o against_o their_o baptise_v than_o of_o grow_v person_n baptise_v and_o in_o the_o 43_o page_n we_o show_v that_o the_o reason_n why_o he_o will_v have_v infants-baptism_n delay_v be_v not_o because_o he_o judge_v it_o unlawful_a but_o inexpedient_a for_o he_o be_v for_o it_o rather_o than_o the_o child_n shall_v die_v unbaptise_v and_o now_o i_o tell_v mr._n danvers_n further_o that_o as_o for_o those_o seem_a passage_n against_o infant-baptism_n they_o be_v speak_v in_o reference_n to_o the_o child_n of_o pagan_n not_o believer_n according_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o estius_n and_o other_o learned_a man_n for_o as_o mr._n marshal_n observe_v tertullian_n in_o that_o book_n of_o his_o de_fw-la baptismo_fw-la c._n 18._o speak_v of_o the_o baptism_n of_o such_o as_o be_v not_o bear_v of_o christian_a parent_n and_o therefore_o desire_v the_o baptism_n of_o such_o infant_n shall_v be_v defer_v till_o they_o come_v to_o year_n and_o be_v able_a to_o make_v confession_n of_o their_o sin_n and_o profession_n of_o faith_n their_o parent_n be_v infidel_n and_o their_o sponsor_n mortal_a and_o that_o this_o be_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o place_n seem_v evident_a to_o he_o because_o in_o the_o 39_o chap._n of_o his_o book_n de_fw-fr anima_fw-la tertullian_n acknowledge_v that_o 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