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signify_v grace_n give_v answ_n 1._o and_o what_o be_v that_o to_o prove_v that_o he_o be_v against_o infant-baptism_n 2._o and_o how_o prove_v he_o this_o why_o full_a out_o of_o cochleus_n say_v so_o answ_n 1._o but_o cochleus_n be_v one_o of_o the_o most_o notable_a liar_n of_o all_o the_o papist_n that_o oppose_v luther_n and_o have_v leave_v his_o calumny_n to_o posterity_n and_o must_v he_o be_v believe_v against_o wickliff_n 2._o and_o fuller_n write_v but_o about_o twenty_o year_n ago_o and_o must_v one_o of_o our_o neighbour_n tell_v we_o what_o cochleus_n say_v be_v the_o opinion_n of_o wickliff_n when_o we_o can_v read_v his_o word_n ourselves_o 3._o but_o to_o make_v this_o like_o its_o fellow_n even_o this_o much_o be_v untrue_a fuller_n tell_v we_o no_o such_o thing_n out_o of_o cochleus_n but_o tell_v we_o that_o gregory_n charge_v wickliff_n with_o eighteen_o error_n tho._n arundel_n with_o twenty_o three_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n with_o 45._o tho._n waldensis_n with_o 80._o dr._n luck_n with_o 266._o and_o cochleus_n with_o 303._o and_o then_o he_o recite_v 62._o out_o of_o waldensis_n where_o the_o word_n be_v 4._o and_o waldensis_n be_v know_v to_o be_v a_o false_a accuser_n of_o he_o in_o many_o particular_n though_o a_o learned_a papist_n 5._o and_o even_o this_o waldensis_n that_o say_v his_o worst_a and_o seek_v to_o make_v the_o most_o of_o his_o error_n never_o here_o accuse_v he_o as_o deny_v infant-baptism_n and_o will_v he_o not_o have_v do_v it_o have_v it_o be_v true_a but_o mr._n d._n that_o by_o this_o trick_n which_o he_o be_v so_o ready_a at_o can_v make_v heresy_n and_o heretic_n also_o too_o easy_o tell_v we_o of_o a_o popish_a heresy_n viz._n for_o baptism_n to_o take_v away_o all_o sin_n to_o confer_v grace_n to_o work_v regeneration_n and_o save_v the_o soul_n as_o still_o hold_v by_o they_o that_o teach_v young_a child_n to_o say_v that_o by_o their_o baptism_n they_o be_v make_v child_n of_o god_n member_n of_o christ_n and_o inheritor_n that_o be_v heir_n of_o the_o kingdom_n of_o heaven_n answ_n 1._o by_o this_o it_o seem_v the_o english_a protestant_n and_o all_o the_o rest_n that_o take_v this_o to_o be_v true_a doctrine_n hold_v a_o popish_a heresy_n 2._o let_v the_o reader_n peruse_v gataker_n against_o davenant_n of_o baptism_n and_o he_o will_v find_v almost_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n latin_a and_o greek_a of_o the_o same_o judgement_n and_o what_o a_o pleasure_n be_v this_o to_o the_o papist_n to_o be_v tell_v that_o almost_o all_o the_o ancient_a writer_n hold_v their_o heresy_n and_o then_o indeed_o where_o be_v our_o church_n and_o the_o kingdom_n of_o christ_n before_o luther_n or_o rather_o before_o those_o who_o he_o oppose_v 3._o it_o be_v unquestionable_a true_a doctrine_n that_o as_o marriage-consent_n in_o private_a lay_v the_o first_o ground_n of_o marriage_n right_n which_o by_o solemn_a matrimony_n be_v open_o and_o regular_o deliver_v by_o investiture_n which_o perfect_v the_o title_n even_o so_o the_o heart-consent_n or_o covenant_v of_o the_o person_n or_o parent_n for_o infant_n do_v lay_v the_o first_o ground_n of_o christian_a right_a which_o be_v solemnize_v and_o perfect_v regular_o by_o baptism_n which_o by_o the_o way_n of_o tradition_n or_o public_a investiture_n do_v take_v away_o all_o guilt_n of_o sin_n sacramental_o regenerate_v and_o save_v and_o make_v we_o child_n of_o god_n member_n of_o christ_n and_o his_o church_n and_o heir_n of_o heaven_n who_o be_v so_o before_o by_o a_o private_a initial_a right_n of_o which_o the_o church_n do_v take_v less_o cognisance_n and_o one_o will_v think_v that_o no_o anabaptist_n shall_v deny_v this_o call_v heresy_n as_o to_o the_o adult_n 5._o he_o next_o add_v from_o wickliff_n they_o be_v fool_n and_o presumptuous_a which_o affirm_v such_o infant_n not_o to_o be_v save_v which_o die_v without_o baptism_n so_o full_a word_n it_o out_o of_o cochleus_n answ_n 1._o false_a still_o it_o be_v not_o out_o of_o cochleus_n but_o waldensis_n 2._o and_o what_o be_v this_o to_o the_o question_n of_o infant-baptism_n he_o add_v and_o wickliffs_n own_o word_n as_o c._n 2._o the_o trialog_n quod_fw-la desinentes_fw-la parvulos_fw-la fidelium_fw-la sine_fw-la baptismo_fw-la etc._n etc._n answ_n still_o false_a 1_o i_o have_v before_o transcribe_v the_o word_n out_o of_o the_o print_a book_n which_o be_v far_o otherwise_o 2._o it_o be_v not_o desinentes_fw-la but_o qui_fw-la quicquam_fw-la definiunt_fw-la 3._o it_o be_v not_o of_o all_o child_n die_v without_o baptism_n but_o of_o those_o that_o can_v not_o have_v it_o be_v prevent_v by_o death_n when_o it_o be_v desire_v 4._o he_o say_v this_o of_o those_o that_o determine_v that_o they_o be_v save_v also_o 5._o and_o instead_o of_o c._n 2._o this_o be_v lib._n 4._o c._n 12._o 6._o he_o say_v that_o all_o truth_n be_v contain_v in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n and_o that_o which_o be_v not_o original_o there_o be_v to_o be_v account_v profane_a and_o that_o we_o be_v to_o admit_v of_o no_o science_n or_o conclusion_n that_o be_v not_o prove_v by_o scripture_n testimony_n and_o that_o whoever_o hold_v the_o contrary_a opinion_n can_v be_v a_o christian_n but_o flat_o the_o devil_n champion_n with_o more_o such_o cite_v partly_o out_o of_o cochleus_n by_o fuller_n false_a again_o and_o partly_o de_fw-fr verit._n script_n a_o book_n of_o wickliffs_n which_o i_o have_v not_o and_o i_o conjecture_v he_o never_o see_v for_o 1._o i_o tell_v you_o before_o the_o very_a word_n of_o wickliff_n that_o condemn_v only_o such_o abuse_n of_o outward_a sign_n as_o show_v he_o to_o be_v of_o a_o contrary_a opinion_n 2._o will_v any_o sober_a man_n believe_v that_o he_o damn_v all_o as_o no_o christian_n but_o champion_n of_o the_o devil_n that_o think_v that_o some_o conclusion_n physical_a mathematical_a metaphysical_a medicinal_a logical_a etc._n etc._n may_v be_v true_a that_o be_v not_o prove_v by_o scripture_n testimony_n and_o so_o that_o almost_o all_o christian_n in_o the_o world_n be_v no_o christian_n 7._o say_v he_o that_o he_o slight_v the_o authority_n of_o general_n council_n as_o fuller_n out_o of_o cochleus_n etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o false_a again_o as_o to_o the_o author_n 2._o but_o what_o be_v that_o to_o infant-baptism_n but_o his_o direct_a proof_n be_v out_o of_o waldensis_n say_v that_o wickliff_n say_v that_o child_n be_v not_o sacramental_o to_o be_v baptize_v answ_n 1._o i_o have_v not_o waldensis_n at_o hand_n but_o have_v little_a cause_n to_o believe_v mr._n d._n 2._o and_o fuller_n who_o undertake_v to_o recite_v waldensis_n charge_n have_v not_o a_o word_n of_o any_o such_o sense_n 3._o if_o bitter_a papist_n so_o accuse_v he_o be_v it_o therefore_o true_a judge_n by_o his_o own_o word_n indeed_o wickliff_n hold_v that_o sacramental_a baptism_n save_v none_o young_a or_o old_a without_o the_o baptism_n
and_o will_v not_o be_v at_o the_o labour_n to_o get_v and_o search_v they_o for_o nothing_o §_o 12._o pag._n 121._o he_o say_v he_o know_v that_o these_o particular_n he_o mention_n be_v not_o charge_v on_o peter_n bruis_n but_o on_o the_o albigeo_n in_o the_o follow_a century_n by_o other_o hand_n than_o bernard_n and_o cluniacensis_fw-la who_o be_v dead_a long_o before_o answ_n 1._o how_o know_v you_o another_o man_n knowledge_n 2._o long_o before_o what_o before_o any_o such_o accusation_n on_o the_o albigenses_n read_v bernard_n serm._n 66._o in_o cant._n say_v usher_n than_o who_o few_o man_n ever_o know_v such_o matter_n better_o or_o more_o true_o report_v they_o the_o success_n c._n 8._o p._n 232._o bernard_n serm._n 65._o &_o 66._o in_o cant._n mention_v their_o opinion_n partly_o common_a with_o the_o manichee_n partly_o with_o the_o orthodox_n and_o that_o the_o manichee_n be_v before_o among_o they_o he_o before_o prove_v at_o large_a and_o that_o they_o call_v cathari_n be_v by_o ordinary_a error_n mistake_v for_o waldenses_n and_o leonist_n and_o p._n 236._o say_v he_o sic_fw-la &_o apostolicis_fw-la bernardus_n clareval_fw-fr catharis_n eckbertus_n schnang_v popelicanis_fw-la guido_n armorican_n atque_fw-la albigensibus_fw-la regordus_n regis_fw-la franc._n chronographus_fw-la haeresin_fw-la attribuit_fw-la quam_fw-la apostolus_fw-la praedixerat_fw-la detestantem_fw-la nuptias_fw-la &_o carnem_fw-la comedere_fw-la prohibentem_fw-la which_o in_o bernard_n and_o ecbertus_n be_v common_o to_o be_v see_v quod_fw-la ut_fw-la de_fw-la manicheis_n in_o terra_fw-la albig_n commorantibus_fw-la admitti_fw-la potest_fw-la ita_fw-la de_fw-la toto_fw-la albig_n genere_fw-la dictum_fw-la falsissimum_fw-la esse_fw-la constat_fw-la sive_fw-la cum_fw-la thuano_n à _fw-la pet._n valdo_n sive_fw-la cum_fw-la papir_n massonio_n à _fw-fr pet._n bruisio_n eorum_fw-la originem_fw-la placeat_fw-la repetere_fw-la and_o p._n 237_o 238._o he_o say_v a_o petro_n brusio_n &_o ejus_fw-la successore_fw-la henrico_n qui_fw-la ut_fw-la ex_fw-la pet._n cluniacensi_fw-la intelligitur_fw-la per_fw-la annos_fw-la viginti_fw-la doctrinam_fw-la svam_fw-la disseminarunt_fw-la albigensium_fw-la sectam_fw-la deducit_fw-la p._n massonius_n apostolicos_fw-la etiam_fw-la de_fw-la quibus_fw-la serm._n 66._o in_o cant._n agit_fw-fr bernardus_n eosdem_fw-la esse_fw-la opinatur_fw-la tham._n waldensis_fw-la cum_fw-la publicanis_fw-la §_o 13._o pag._n 123._o he_o prove_v that_o the_o waldenses_n do_v deny_v infant-baptism_n from_o the_o decree_n of_o 12._o several_a prince_n and_o pope_n for_o proof_n of_o that_o he_o refer_v we_o to_o his_o former_a book_n when_o i_o look_v there_o i_o find_v as_o cite_v p._n 248_o etc._n etc._n his_o evidence_n be_v as_o follow_v 1._o dr._n usher_v out_o of_o the_o fragment_n of_o acquit_v by_o p._n pithaeus_n tell_v we_o that_o in_o the_o time_n of_o robert_n king_n of_o france_n they_o of_o acquit_v and_o tholouse_n principal_a place_n of_o the_o waldenses_n do_v deny_v baptism_n for_o so_o they_o call_v deny_v baptism_n to_o little_a one_o &c._n &c._n answ_n mark_v reader_n the_o trustiness_n of_o this_o man_n 1._o he_o make_v deny_v baptism_n to_o signify_v only_o deny_v it_o to_o infant_n without_o a_o word_n of_o proof_n 2._o he_o leave_v out_o the_o deny_v of_o our_o redeemer_n deny_v lawful_a marriage_n and_o the_o eat_n of_o flesh_n etc._n etc._n though_o conjoin_v in_o the_o testimony_n 3._o he_o feign_v this_o to_o be_v say_v of_o the_o waldenses_n which_o be_v express_o say_v in_o the_o history_n to_o be_v speak_v of_o the_o manichee_n be_v not_o this_o a_o excellent_a prover_n the_o word_n of_o pithaeus_n history_n cite_v by_o usher_n de_fw-fr success_n p._n 229._o be_v these_o emersisse_fw-la in_o gallia_n manichaeos_n &c._n &c._n pith._n evestigio_fw-la exorti_fw-la sunt_fw-la per_fw-la aquitaniam_fw-la manichaei_n seducentes_fw-la suadebant_fw-la negare_fw-la baptismum_fw-la signum_fw-la crucis_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la &_o ipsum_fw-la redemptorem_fw-la seculi_fw-la honorem_fw-la sanctorum_fw-la conjugia_fw-la legitima_fw-la esum_fw-la carnium_fw-la simili_fw-la modo_fw-la apud_fw-la tholesam_fw-la inventi_fw-la sunt_fw-la manichaei_n &_o ipsi_fw-la igne_fw-la cremati_fw-la sunt_fw-la &_o per_fw-la diversas_fw-la occidentis_fw-la part_n manichaei_n exorti_fw-la of_o the_o real_a presence_n here_o be_v nothing_o §_o 14._o 2._o say_v mr._n d._n dr._n vsher_n also_o tell_v we_o out_o of_o pap._n masson_n that_o 14._o citizen_n of_o orleans_n be_v convict_v of_o the_o same_o heresy_n for_o deny_v baptismal_a grace_n and_o the_o real_a presence_n and_o burn_v alive_a herbert_n lisius_n and_o stephen_n answ_n here_o note_n 1._o the_o history_n cite_v by_o usher_n johan_n floriacensis_fw-la referente_fw-la masson_n say_v abnegabant_fw-la sacri_fw-la baptismi_fw-la gratiam_fw-la but_o not_o a_o word_n of_o infant_n and_o it_o be_v know_v that_o the_o waldenses_n opinion_n be_v that_o priest_n 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have_v leave_v it_o indifferent_a and_o to_o their_o liberty_n but_o that_o they_o leave_v one_o another_o at_o liberty_n herein_o because_o 1._o the_o first_o and_o great_a work_n be_v in_o settle_v the_o church_n by_o convert_v jew_n and_o gentile_n to_o the_o faith_n and_o the_o adult_n who_o be_v the_o active_a member_n be_v they_o that_o the_o apostle_n have_v most_o to_o do_v with_o and_o therefore_o who_o case_n be_v express_o speak_v of_o 2._o because_o it_o be_v a_o know_a thing_n that_o the_o infant_n of_o church-member_n have_v ever_o be_v church-member_n and_o be_v in_o possession_n of_o that_o relation_n when_o christ_n and_o his_o apostle_n set_v up_o baptism_n 3._o and_o it_o be_v a_o grant_v case_n that_o all_o sanctify_a person_n devote_v themselves_o and_o all_o that_o they_o have_v to_o god_n and_o every_o thing_n according_a to_o its_o capacity_n and_o therefore_o their_o infant_n according_a to_o their_o capacity_n which_o god_n himself_o have_v before_o expound_v 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those_o that_o think_v that_o baptism_n be_v not_o institute_v to_o be_v the_o ordinary_a initiate_a sacrament_n of_o the_o child_n of_o church-member_n but_o only_o of_o proselyte_n and_o that_o christian_n infant_n take_v their_o place_n in_o the_o church_n of_o course_n but_o proselyte_n from_o without_o only_o be_v to_o be_v baptise_a though_o this_o be_v a_o error_n it_o be_v probable_a that_o there_o be_v some_o then_o as_o well_o as_o now_o of_o that_o opinion_n but_o nothing_o more_o occasion_v as_o far_o as_o i_o can_v find_v the_o delay_n of_o baptism_n than_o the_o fear_n of_o the_o danger_n of_o sin_v after_o it_o especial_o of_o apostasy_n all_o hold_v that_o all_o sin_n past_o be_v pardon_v in_o baptism_n and_o heb._n 6._o and_o 10._o and_o other_o text_n and_o the_o common_a doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n make_v they_o think_v it_o a_o very_a perilous_a thing_n to_o sin_n wilful_o after_o illumination_n and_o the_o acknowledgement_n of_o the_o truth_n and_o therefore_o 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in_o scripture_n xii_o ib._n according_o it_o be_v sin_n to_o use_v the_o word_n altar_n for_o table_n or_o the_o word_n sacrifice_n for_o worship_n as_o thanksgiving_n etc._n etc._n though_o with_o all_o the_o foresay_a caution_n and_o though_o god_n so_o use_v they_o in_o the_o scripture_n 1_o pet._n 2.5_o heb._n 13.15_o 16._o phil._n 4.18_o eph._n 5.2_o rom._n 12.1_o heb._n 13.10_o rev._n 6.9_o and_o 8.3_o 5._o and_o 16.7_o and_o that_o all_o the_o ancient_a writer_n and_o church_n sin_v that_o so_o speak_v xiii_o that_o no_o sober_a christian_n shall_v allow_v each_o other_o the_o liberty_n of_o such_o phrase_n without_o censoriousness_n or_o breach_n of_o charity_n and_o peace_n ibid._n pref_o fourteen_o ibid._n
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