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A86420 Fourteen queries and ten absurdities about the extent of Christ's death, the power of the creatures, the justice of God in condemning some, and saving others, presented by a free-willer to the Church of Christ at Newcastle, and answered by Paul Hobson a member of the said Church. In which answer is discovered, the extent of Christs death, the nature and truth of election, the condition of the creature both before and after conversion, &c. Published in tenderness of love for the good of all, especially for the Churches of Christ. Hobson, Paul. 1655 (1655) Wing H2273; Thomason E1492_4; ESTC R208520 40,720 127

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which design is directly opposed and endeavouring to be destroyed by your opinion Now your holding Election of qualities and not of persons cannot heal the lameness of your opinion nor any way maintain this great design of God for if Salvation and Damnation be carried on upon any other account relating to the creatures doing or not doing then Gods glory in his grace is not exalted but denied for if of works then of debt according to these Scriptures Rom. 4.4 Galat. 5.4 Ephes 2.8 9. And if by debt then we have wherewithall to boast and if God who might justly have condemned all doth not by his free gift and pleasure save some then the singularity of his love in the vessels of grace is denied and then for the advancement of his power and justice in the vessels of wrath according to Rom. 9.18 19 20 21 22 23 is soly overthrown and the prerogative of his will and pleasure absolutely denied the sadness of this Absurdity will look grim upon your face in the day of the Lord. 7. Your opinion is so inconsistent to truth that it destroys it self for if CHRIST died for all alike then he must needs satisfie for all the sins of all Now that he hath satisfied for all the sins of the Elect I have fully proved and if for all in that sense then all must be saved or else infidelity is not a sin for if it be a sin and Christ hath satisfied for all sin and died for all alike as you affirm then infidelity cannot destroy or else you must hold he died not for that sin then not for all sin That you may further see how absurd this Absurdity you are guilty of is I shall prove to you these things 1. That Infidelity is a sin 2. That it is a sin Christ died for First that it is a sin that is clear from these Scriptures John 16.9 Besides these Scriptures minde this Reason that which crosses the command of God must be a sin but Infidelity crosses the command of God therefore The Major is proved from this Scripture 1 John 3.4 where the Apostle saith Sin is the transgression of the Law The Minor is proved from these Scriptures 1 John 3.23 Mark 5.36 John 1.14 The conclusion followeth Reason 2. That which is to be confessed and bemoaned to CHRIST as a sin that is a sin but infidelity or weakness of faith is and was bemoaned to CHRIST as a sin Therefore The Major none will deny The Minor is proved from this Scripture Mark 9.24 That which gives God the Lie must be a sin but infidelity gives God the Lie the Major is not questionable the Minor is proved from 1 John 5.10 The next thing 〈◊〉 that Christ died for this sin and that I prove thus 1. If Christ died for all sin then he must die for this this being amongst the rest but Christ died for all sin and that is clear from these Scriptures 1 John 1.7 Heb. 10.14 Isai 53.5 Rev. 1.15 2. If men finde mercy for this sin then it must needs be that Christ died for this sin but men finde mercy for this sin according to these Scriptures Rom. 11.32 1 Tim. 1.13 Then Christ must needs die for it for mercy is given out by God through Christ and what is given through Christ is given as Remission by his bloud for without bloud there is no Remission Heb. 9.22 Lastly if infidelity is a sin that the Elect of God are subject to then Christ must needs die for it and that infidelity is a sin that the Elect of God are subject to is clear from these Scriptures Matth. 17.20 Mark 16.14 Now dear Friend in the fear of the Lord consider how inconsistent with truth your opinion is that holds that CHRIST died for all alike and yet all shall not be saved one of these things must of necessity fall upon your opinion 1. That Christ died not for all sins 2. That Infidelity is not a sin 3. That God doth condemn creatures for that sin which he receives satisfaction by Christ for All or any of which is sad to aver but one or all of them you must own and therefore in the fear of the Lord search the Scriptures and beg of God to give you light that your poor soul may not be deceived nor God so sadly dishonoured or abused by bringing him and his eminent acts of love and grace power and justice under the control of your low reason for the prevention of which it shall be the daily prayer of him who in sincerity can say he is a real lover of your soul P. Hobson FINIS
sophistry and no Reason and not becoming a Saint to meddle with Objection 3. No men can be elected in CHRIST till they be in CHRIST but no men are in CHRIST till they believe or trust in CHRIST for the elect Ephesians were once out of CHRIST chap. 2.11 12. Answer Men are said to be truly and really in CHRIST two ways First by election and so we are all in CHRIST he being the publick person in whom all elections were comprehended and all the elect are really in him before they are brought forth as every man is in Adam before they are born this last affirmation they themselves do grant and so they must the other if they do but truly view the minde of God in his Word and not draw Reasons from bare Expressions without discovering the true intention now if they could prove that no man in no sense is in CHRIST till he doth believe then they say something or else their Argument is of no force for we are one with them in their second being in CHRIST which is when we are called and in that sense even the elect of God till they are converted they are without God and without hope and by nature the children of wrath as well as others Ephes 2.3 But before ever they are brought home to CHRIST in the second sense they were in CHRIST in the first sense or else CHRIST would not have said John 10.16 Other Sheep I have which are not of this Fold them will I bring in so that they did belong to CHRIST as his particular Sheep before he brought them in and that there is such a property and unity before conversion you will see if you seriously minde these Scriptures John 10.16 Acts 18.10 2 Tim. 1.9 Ephes 1.3 Now there is an outward being in CHRIST which is onely the outward profession of CHRIST that men may be in and fall according to these Scriptures John 15.2 6. 1 John 2.10 1 Tim. 1.19 20. But I shall not speak to that They have some other Objections about trusting in CHRIST and believing in CHRIST but we have said enough to that already shewing that faith and all other obedience is not a cause of but flows from that privilege according to these Scriptures Acts 13.43 Joh. 15.16 1 Joh. 4.19 There are some other Objections that do arise from some other mistakes of Scripture which I shall take an occasion to speak something to in my declaring the third thing I promised you to wit your mistakes which are the cause of your stumbling The sixth thing which is that the publishing of the fore-mentioned privilege which is the Gospel is Gods way or means to effect or produce faith or other Gospel obedience in the hearts of his own as to this there being but little difference between you and I and the speaking much to it will not upon that account add much to the deciding the controversie between you and others therefore I shall onely set down the Scriptures to prove it and so leave it 1 Cor. 4.15 Rom. 10.17 2 Thess 2.13 2 Tim. 1.10 1 Pet. 4.6 Gal. 3.2 I shall say no more to this but come to the seventh Particular Seventhly that faith which is produced in obedience to truth by the discoveries of the Gospel of CHRIST is not the bringing up of something that is in men before conversion but it is a peculiar work of God which Nature in the highest improvement is not capable of till conversion or the new work of grace be wrought which is Gods not upon a common but a special and Gospel account wrought by him Now dear Friend before I speak to this particular give me leave to speak two or three words to you relating to some things that do very much trouble me in relation to the abuse of this truth for there are two truths miserably abused even by them that do profess the Lord the one is that all the power we have to act or do things in a Gospel sense is produced alone by the power and Spirit of God not upon a common but a special account The second is that the best of Saints while they live here have sin now these truths are abused thus exhort those that profess the Lord to exactness in duty or reprove them for any neglect in duty presently this is replied We can do no more than we have power which is a truth in its sense but it is sadly applied for when God hath begun to work grace in us the way to increase in strength is to improve what we have by carefull watching and waiting hourly and daily before the Lord and they that do so wait and walk have experience that God will not be wanting to increase strength according to these Scriptures Isai 40.31 John 7.17 chap. 15. the later end 4. v. Isai 64.5 Psalm 9.10 Matth. 13.12 Luke 8.18 And the truth is were this practized there would not be such sad unsaintlike walkings as now appear to be among them that profess the Lord both in their pride fashi●ning themselves after the world covetousness frothy language wanton carriages and other unsaintlike practices that it is a hard thing to know a saint from a sinner in his daily practice and conversation unless you finde them in particular acts of worship which is that which doth sadly wound the Name of God and the glory of CHRIST among men I do not speak this for to accuse others onely but withall to bear witness against my self for my former unsuitable walkings wherein my daily watchings and waitings and exact conforming and improving faith was not kept alive and therefore I died but blessed be the Lord who hath discovered the truth of this to my soul Now they abuse the second truth thus come to some Professors and tell them of their pride fashions of the world covetousness passion or courtly complements frothy language manifesting that these things are unbecoming ●aints and inconsistent with a growing heart this presently is replied Every one hath sin Paul and the rest of the Apostles the very best of Saints had sin and so I confess have I this they answer and peradventure they will say they groan under it which is a perfect deceit for though there is sin in the people of God yet there is a daily growth and getting ground of it by improving faith in the bloud of CHRIST and by exact waiting and watching by which the sin of the heart or corruption of the will and the minde is kept under and there is not an allowance of any one sin where Christ is in truth And therefore those that do shelter themselves under truth in this sense and do not daily grow and get power against sin let them know this from a heart that knows it from wofull experience that they onely live in notions not in the power and spirit of truth to be 〈◊〉 witness of the truth of the now birth or work of grace which God hath wrought in them that