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A07646	A gagg for the new Gospell? No: a nevv gagg for an old goose VVho would needes vndertake to stop all Protestants mouths for euer, with 276. places out of their owne English Bibles. Or an ansvvere to a late abridger of controuersies, and belyar of the Protestants doctrine. By Richard Mountagu. Published by authoritie.	Montagu, Richard, 1577-1641.	1624 (1624)	STC 18038; ESTC S112831	210,549	373

more familiar kinde of apparition goe answer Saint Thomas And your Masters can tell you that whereas it is related in the old Testament often that God appeared vnto men the Doctors of the Church are not resolued whether God appeared at any time personally or wholly by the Ministery of Angels Your men the Iesuites Victorellus Vasquez and the rest nay all later Diuines saith Vasquez but Clictho●●us affirme that God neuer appeared but by the Ministry of Angels So that your expresse testimonies are in a wise case and your self an Ignorant or a Confident that knew not this or dare oppose your Yea vnto their Nay Therefore Esay 6. 1. he that sate vpon the Throne and he that Dan. 7. 9. is described was not God but some Angell or if God yet the second Person the Father neuer appearing vnto any Therefore as Vasquez himself confesseth that great Vpbearer of Roman Idolatry Henricus quodlibeto 1. Abutensis in 4. Deuter. Durand in 3. d. 9. q. 2. ad 4. Martin Aiala de Tradit 3. part doo teach it as well as Caluin that it is vtterly vnlawfull to picture or represent the Trinity or God otherwise than as in Christ hee took our flesh and was found among vs as a man These were nor Hereticks nor Protestants that did teach so and yet we see it ordinary amongst our good Catholicks to represent the picture of the Trinity moe waies than one which neuer appeared in humane shape as yet to any Impious Artificers not onely vain that make the most blessed and most glorious Trinity a certain Geryon or as Tertullian phraseth it Sororem vasculorum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 A thing not onely contrary vnto reason but to the despite and contumely of God whose glory being such as cannot be vttered and shape such as cannot be expressed is denominated from and represented in base and corruptible things that haue no permanency without supply So feelingly complained Iustine Martyr of your Camerades the Idolaters of those times Such Images Hesselius a Papist Professor at Louain wherby God the Father is represented in an humane shape vtterly himself disliketh and iustifieth his dislike out of the Fathers that not onely Protestants may bee the mislikers of such impiety but Papists of better spirits and more solid learning XLV That it is not lawfull to worship Images nor to giue any honour to any dead or insensible thing TWo seuerall questions as often confusedly propounded in one Proposition which are of different natures of vnequall extents of diuers and disparated approbation The latter that It is not lawfull to giue any honour to any dead or insensible thing is a false imputation cast vpon vs an horrible lie against common sense refelled in the ordinary practice of Protestants who giue honour and respect though not adoration to many dead and insensible things as this Fellow liuing in a Protestant State cannot choose but knowe vnlesse with Bartimaeus●ee ●ee were borne blinde and withall hath continued deaf from his mothers womb This he cannot prooue by expresse words that we deny nor yet any consequence thereupon It is contrary he telleth vs for fashion sake vnto the expresse words of our owne Bible What is contrary that It is not lawfull to worship images or to giue any honour to dead things Two distinct Assertions not of necessary consequence or dependance and so not necessarily inferred one vpon the other Besides where is that expresse place of our Bible which is contrary to that Assertion This place was forgotten through too much haste I will supply the defect and designe the place which the man intended when he ouer passed it Exod. 3. 5. Iosua 5. 15. Put off thy sho●es from thy feet for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground This may prooue that at some time by speciall precept vpon some occasion some insensible thing may be honoured which no Protestant euer went about to deny but the inference they doo and most iustly may as hauing no reason of illation Therefore an image representing vnto vs an holy thing may be worshipped say and not honoured for of honour we contend not our difference is about worship onely But take it of honour and see the handsome consequence God said Some ground was holy therefore all Images may bee worshipped What an Image of Rie-dough is this Cods-head To as good sense it might be spoken Ierusalem was called The holy City therfore the Iewes might worship Images Or The Temple was an holy place none but Israelites and those also clean might enter there the Priests and Leuites did wash their feet being to doo seruice there all common people wiped off the dust from their feet when they entred therein therfore Ahaz might erect his Altars there Manasses prophane it with Idolatry Antiochus set vp the abomination of desolation there Had not the Beast cause to low thus Lo how cleer a place is heer produced against the Protestants wherein an insensible creature without reason was commanded by God himself to be honoured for the refraining to tread vpon it was the doing of honour to it Therefore an Image c. Of Honour be it but not Worship Honour and worship differ more than latria and dulia doo Without sense I grant and life too The earth hath neither life nor sense The earth was made to tread vpon It was not great honour To inhibite this course of kinde Honour was done not Worship not to the place but to the Holy place The place was holy not in it self not made so by man but from the personall presence of the most High Make an Image so holy and then so honour it This honour was not you were asleep man in refraining to tread vpon the earth for where stood Moses and Iosua when they talked with God in the aire or no-where or in the fift imaginary body But the honour was In refraining to tread on it with their shooes on as when men come into the Church but vncouer the head at their entrance into the Church And for the honour in kinde or correspondency what similitude betwixt that yours to an Image You fall down vnto an Image at least before it You honour the Image with the same honour that the Representee is honoured withall at least accidentally in your relatiue worship Did Moses or Iosuab so honour the ground Fell they downe vnto it Put they their shooes off to it for the grounds sake and not rather for the presence of God there whom without any relatiue worship at all they honoured immediately in himself Any thing I see will serue a Priests turn No matter what you prate so that you prattle Happy men that haue so pliant Proselytes that so easily beleeue whatsoere is told them though it be a tale of a Tub. There is a respect due to all the works of God as good as his as arguing the art and excellency of the Maker so all of them are honourable in their kindes Doo you

Catholike Reader to 1614. 1616 or any other yeare as well as 1619. by Robert Barker But admit there had beene amongst vt twenty seuerall Translations as you belye vs so long as authority gaue not countenance vnto them what can we be taxed for more then the Church of Rome may not so much as the ancient Catholike Church might For beside eight or nine seuerall translations into the Greeke tongue Saint Augustine is punctuall Lib. 2. cap. 11. de doct Christ that the seuerall Latine Translations in his time could not be numbred and Hierome in his preface vpon Iosua saith there were Tot exemplaria quod codices as many Translations as Copies Which variety he misliked but S. Augustine doth well like And in the Church of Rome at this day are moe seuerall Translations extant of the Scriptures into Latine then are in England into English beside the corrections of the Lovanists of Sixtus 5. and Clemens Octavus contrary repugnant to one the other Besides the infinite variety of the vulgar Edition not one copy almost like vnto another It cannot be obiected with such good reason vnto vs what edition doe you follow as it may be vnto you with reproofe enough Doe you follow Sixtus or Clemens in your quotations For we affix● no infallibility vnto any Translator as you doe to their Holinesse that haue thwarted and crossed shins with one the other And if you tye your men in publique passages vnto your authorized Edition so doe we our men in publike Liturgies in like sort Iam sumus ergo pares And you may turne your finger home vpon your selfe before you point it out to vs so that wee Papists haue not all one sort of Bible One or many if it had beene so materiall or so necessary for the Curteous Catholike Reader to know which Edition it was you followed but that you are meerely a vaine man the inscription might haue told vs which you followed without any great adoe or incumbring of the Page thus After English Bibles you might haue added in quarto by Robert Barker 1615. and not made so much adoe about plaine nothing but then you could not haue had this fling at so necessary a Point the great variety of our translations and such an opportunity was not to bee slipped for giuing the Protestants a wipe with a meere lye of the multiplicity of Bibles differing one from another Seconded with another of like nature For know for certaine Reader whatsoeuer thou art there is no such faithfulnesse in these citations as this man pretendeth For neither are all citations word for word expressed in the Gagger according to our Bibles of any Translation but sometime the sense onely sometime not that and sometime expresse consequence and no more Contrary to promise and vndertaking euen so when the sense is not differing from the supposall For by promise he was bound vnto expresse and direct words And yet pardon him this false asseueration that they are not so written as he pretended not in that Edition of Robert Barker As for instance Luc. 24. 27. 8. 13. Math. 9. 3. 3. 8. and 3. 5. 6. and 19. 12. Act. 15. 14 15. 1 Cor. 14. 32. 2 Cor. 11. 2. and 2 Cor. 5. 10. Philip. 2. 30. Esay 49. 21. And haply other places beside these This is the first point Reader to serue thee for thy profit and togather fruit thereout A second is touching the splendour of Truth which indeed is admirable and attractiue Falshood and fraud are corner-creepers but 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Truth is euer with a cheerefull countenance and as the verticall sunne at noone which hauing dispelled both the darknesse of the night and fogges of the day shineth forth in brightest glory But there are shadowes as well as substances et notâ maior imago most an end in course of kind the shadow is of greater aspect then the substance Truth is appearing as well as Being The diuell will seeme an Angell of light Not the veriest Theese that euer tooke purse but will say of his fellow and sweare for himself we are honest men Change but the tearmes the case is yours Sir Gagger The truth is your owne is it not Oh take it as granted though nothing more questioned or so questionable yet the Truth is onyour side there is no ●ay You may speake it boldly and stand to it stoutly to your Catholike Readers For if you want Knights of the post themselues will supply the place and sweare it That notwithstanding the Protestant Ministers haue endeauoured to obserue you would say obscure the same by so many varieties of translations and by such an infinite number of corruptions and falsifications yet neuerthelesse their condemnation is so expresly set downe in their own Bible and is so cleare to al the world that nothing more needs hereto but only that thou know to reade and to haue thine eyes in thy head at the opening of this their booke Euen as you put the words into their mouths as a witnesse at large in case of Tithes once did sweare in my owne hearing he knew the place Tithable for 300. yeares and yet was aged but 99. yeares This man spake with a good will to the cause So will your Catholikes if you aske them touching Protestant Ministers their Translations Corruptions and Falsifications beleeue you forestall you protest and sweare for you accordingly Can you desire greater Curtesie then so Some variety of Translation betwixt ours and yours your selfe haue taken the paines to obserue in these Propositions 7. 14. 15. twice 25. 29. 38. 46. and happily some others Are these Corruptions or Falsifications of the text you charge them not so you cannot you dare not doe Variety of Translations for all your enlarging there are not many As many or moe in the Church of Rome If so not authorised you will say Why no more are ours The Councel of Trent hath authorised yours and the Church of England representatiue ours Neither one nor other this or that for Authenticall variety of Translation there may be some if this make Corruptions or Falsifications your Authenticall Latine is in a poore case or rather a shop of Corruptions to depraue and obscure the splendour of Truth which is such and so passing bright notwithstanding that it shineth forth aboue and against them all For if a man can but reade and haue his eyes in his head at the very opening of the booke he shall finde your Bibles infinitely full of such varieties which no man will deny per aduenture not your selfe who yet may claime to weare a Liuery as one of Belzebubs attendants in this kind And for Corruptions and Falsifications if they be so infinite and so cleere it had beene honesty to haue named halfe a score halfe a dozen one at least to haue acquitted your toung of Lying and slandering as it is Calumnia est non accusatio There are quoted by you in your Abridgement 276 seuerall places