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A15082 A replie to Iesuit Fishers answere to certain questions propou[n]ded by his most gratious Matie: King Iames By Francis White D: of DivĀ· deane of Carlile, chaplaine to his Matie. Hereunto is annexed, a conference of the right: R:B: of St Dauids wth the same Iesuit* White, Francis, 1564?-1638.; Laud, William, 1573-1645.; Baylie, Richard, b. 1585 or 6, attributed name.; Cockson, Thomas, engraver.; Fisher, John, 1569-1641. 1624 (1624) STC 25382; ESTC S122241 841,497 706

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image_n be_v not_o prohibit_v or_o condemn_v exod._n 20_o etc._n etc._n but_o some_o kind_n only_o pass_v by_o the_o assumption_n protestant_n deny_v the_o consequence_n of_o the_o first_o proposition_n and_o to_o the_o proof_n thereof_o they_o say_v that_o although_o some_o kind_n and_o manner_n of_o make_v image_n be_v forbid_v by_o the_o commandment_n to_o wit_n such_o as_o be_v intend_v and_o prepare_v for_o worship_n yet_o all_o make_n of_o picture_n or_o image_n to_o wit_n for_o history_n and_o ornament_n be_v not_o prohibit_v but_o our_o adversary_n oppose_v this_o answer_n say_v jesuit_fw-la if_o they_o answer_v that_o we_o be_v not_o absolute_o forbid_v to_o make_v they_o but_o only_o not_o to_o make_v they_o with_o purpose_n and_o intention_n to_o adore_v they_o they_o discover_v much_o partiality_n and_o not_o so_o much_o reverence_n to_o god_n express_a word_n as_o they_o pretend_v for_o the_o word_n of_o god_n law_n be_v as_o clear_a and_o express_v against_o make_v of_o jmage_n as_o against_o worship_v they_o thou_o shall_v not_o make_v they_o thou_o shall_v not_o adore_v they_o if_o then_o protestant_n to_o excuse_v their_o custom_n of_o make_v of_o image_n may_v to_o god_n express_a word_n thou_o shall_v not_o make_v they_o add_v by_o way_n of_o explication_n with_o purpose_n and_o intention_n to_o adore_v they_o why_o may_v not_o catholic_n to_o defend_v from_o note_n of_o impiety_n a_o continue_a christian_a custom_n to_o god_n word_n thou_o shall_v not_o adore_v any_o image_n add_v by_o way_n of_o explication_n as_o god_n or_o with_o divine_a worship_n rest_v in_o it_o how_o can_v they_o true_o boast_v they_o bring_v god_n clear_a word_n for_o themselves_o and_o against_o we_o which_o be_v no_o 〈◊〉_d clear_a and_o express_v against_o their_o image-making_a than_o against_o our_o jmage-worship_n if_o the_o place_n be_v difficile_a why_o build_v they_o their_o faith_n upon_o it_o against_o we_o if_o it_o be_v clear_a why_o be_v they_o force_v in_o 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shall_v make_v no_o image_n with_o intent_n to_o worship_v it_o ergo_fw-la to_o god_n express_a word_n thou_o shall_v not_o bow_v down_o etc._n etc._n we_o may_v add_v by_o way_n of_o explication_n thou_o shall_v not_o bow_v down_o to_o worship_v they_o as_o god_n or_o with_o divine_a honour_n rest_v in_o the_o thing_n and_o if_o protestant_n deny_v the_o latter_a they_o be_v partial_a in_o affirm_v the_o former_a the_o consequence_n of_o the_o proposition_n be_v again_o deny_v for_o although_o we_o may_v expound_v the_o former_a part_n of_o the_o commandment_n with_o this_o explication_n with_o intent_n to_o worship_n yet_o we_o may_v not_o expound_v the_o latter_a part_n by_o say_v thou_o shall_v not_o bow_v down_o etc._n etc._n that_o be_v although_o thou_o may_v worship_v some_o image_n according_a to_o some_o manner_n of_o worship_n yet_o thou_o may_v not_o worship_v unlawful_a image_n express_v the_o very_a deity_n nor_o any_o image_n by_o rest_v final_o and_o absolute_o in_o they_o and_o the_o reason_n whereupon_o we_o ground_n our_o denial_n of_o the_o consequence_n be_v these_o first_o moses_n himself_o repeat_v the_o law_n concern_v image_n say_v you_o shall_v make_v you_o no_o idol_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d nor_o 〈◊〉_d image_n etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d to_o bow_v down_o unto_o it_o levit._n 26.1_o second_o the_o brazen_a serpent_n and_o the_o cherubin_n be_v lawful_o make_v even_o by_o god_n appointment_n in_o the_o old_a testament_n and_o yet_o their_o worship_n be_v unlawful_a 2._o reg._n 18_o 4._o and_o some_o of_o the_o best_a learned_a papist_n spiritualitèr_fw-la acknowledge_v that_o the_o cherubin_n may_v not_o be_v worship_v three_o jesuit_n vasques_n delatum_fw-la say_v that_o in_o the_o old_a law_n every_o similitude_n or_o portraiture_n be_v not_o forbid_v to_o be_v make_v but_o all_o worship_n and_o adoration_n of_o image_n and_o all_o make_n of_o a_o image_n or_o portraiture_n appoint_v or_o accommodate_v to_o worship_n be_v forbid_v yea_o beside_o tertullian_n prohibetur_fw-la and_o damascen_n vetat_fw-la the_o great_a number_n of_o papal_o expound_v the_o first_o part_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n by_o the_o latter_a branch_n to_o wit_n gerson_n colantur_fw-la ferus_fw-la ponitur_fw-la caietan_n 20._o alphonsus_n castro_n ea_fw-la oleaster_n cultum_fw-la ystella_n 7._o turrecremat_n adorandum_fw-la and_o aquinas_n 1._o himself_o have_v these_o word_n non_fw-la prohibetur_fw-la illo_fw-la praecepto_fw-la exod._n 20._o facere_fw-la quamcunque_fw-la sculpturam_fw-la vel_fw-la similitudinem_fw-la sed_fw-la facere_fw-la ad_fw-la adorandum_fw-la it_o be_v not_o forbid_v in_o that_o precept_n exod._n 20._o to_o make_v any_o grave_a image_n or_o similitude_n but_o to_o make_v the_o same_o to_o worship_v it_o and_o from_o the_o former_a i_o infer_v that_o although_o some_o picture_n and_o image_n may_v be_v make_v yet_o none_o of_o they_o may_v be_v worship_v and_o therefore_o we_o be_v 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speech_n be_v false_a when_o he_o affirm_v the_o word_n of_o god_n be_v as_o clear_v and_o express_v against_o make_v of_o image_n as_o against_o worship_v they_o jesuit_fw-la second_o their_o exposition_n be_v not_o only_o violent_a against_o the_o text_n but_o also_o incongruous_a against_o the_o sense_n for_o god_n prohibition_n of_o a_o thing_n do_v also_o forbid_v the_o intention_n thereof_o in_o the_o precept_n thou_o shall_v not_o kill_v the_o intention_n of_o murder_n be_v sufficient_o forbid_v so_o that_o he_o who_o make_v a_o sword_n with_o purpose_n to_o murder_v his_o enemy_n sin_n against_o the_o precept_n thou_o shall_v not_o kill_v wherefore_o if_o god_n precept_n have_v be_v thus_o thou_o shall_v not_o wear_v about_o thou_o any_o weapon_n thou_o shall_v not_o kill_v the_o prohibition_n of_o wear_v weapon_n shall_v have_v be_v absolute_a and_o not_o only_o with_o purpose_n of_o murder_n in_o like_a manner_n god_n precept_n thou_o shall_v not_o adore_v image_n
do_v sufficient_o forbid_v intention_n to_o adore_v they_o and_o so_o consequent_o forbid_v the_o make_n of_o image_n with_o such_o a_o intention_n so_o that_o if_o not_o to_o make_v jmage_n be_v nothing_o else_o than_o not_o to_o have_v purpose_n to_o adore_v they_o a_o whole_a long_a sentence_n in_o the_o 〈◊〉_d be_v superfluous_a and_o without_o any_o special_a sense_n which_o be_v scarce_o credible_a answer_n this_o argument_n reduce_v to_o form_n sound_v as_o follow_v if_o god_n prohibition_n of_o a_o thing_n do_v also_o forbid_v the_o intention_n thereof_o than_o it_o have_v be_v sufficient_a for_o he_o to_o have_v say_v thou_o shall_v not_o adore_v image_n and_o the_o former_a clause_n thou_o shall_v make_v no_o grave_a image_n etc._n etc._n forbid_v only_o the_o make_n of_o image_n with_o a_o intention_n to_o worship_n have_v be_v superfluous_a and_o without_o any_o special_a sense_n but_o god_n hold_v it_o not_o sufficient_a to_o say_v thou_o shall_v not_o adore_v image_n and_o the_o former_a clause_n thou_o shall_v make_v no_o image_n be_v not_o superfluous_a etc._n etc._n ergo_fw-la the_o former_a clause_n of_o the_o commandment_n which_o say_v thou_o shall_v make_v no_o grave_a image_n forbid_v not_o the_o make_n of_o image_n with_o a_o intention_n to_o worship_n and_o from_o hence_o it_o appear_v that_o the_o protestant_n exposition_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n be_v not_o only_o violent_a but_o incongruous_a i_o answer_v grant_v the_o antecedent_n part_n of_o the_o first_o proposition_n for_o whensoever_o god_n forbid_v any_o action_n he_o always_o prohibit_v at_o least_o implicit_o &_o interpretative_o the_o purpose_n and_o intention_n of_o do_v the_o same_o but_o from_o hence_o it_o follow_v not_o that_o because_o the_o worship_n of_o image_n be_v prohibit_v in_o the_o word_n thou_o shall_v not_o bow_v down_o to_o they_o etc._n etc._n therefore_o it_o be_v unnecessary_a and_o superfluous_a to_o say_v thou_o shall_v make_v no_o image_n with_o intention_n to_o worship_n first_o touch_v such_o vice_n as_o man_n by_o nature_n and_o custom_n be_v prone_a unto_o abundans_fw-la cautela_fw-la non_fw-la nocet_fw-la abundant_a warning_n and_o caution_n be_v not_o superfluous_a second_o we_o have_v example_n in_o the_o very_a decalogue_n that_o although_o inordinate_a concupiscence_n be_v prohibit_v in_o the_o seven_o and_o eight_o commandment_n thou_o shall_v not_o commit_v adultery_n thou_o shall_v not_o steal_v yet_o the_o intention_n and_o sensual_a motion_n and_o desire_n to_o do_v this_o be_v prohibit_v also_o in_o the_o ten_o precept_n etc._n three_o we_o say_v not_o in_o our_o answer_n that_o the_o intention_n of_o adore_v the_o image_n be_v make_v be_v forbid_v in_o these_o word_n of_o the_o commandment_n thou_o shall_v make_v unto_o thyself_o no_o grave_v image_n etc._n etc._n as_o these_o word_n be_v consider_v apart_o that_o be_v divide_v and_o part_v the_o say_a word_n from_o those_o which_o follow_v thou_o shall_v not_o 〈◊〉_d down_o to_o they_o nor_o worship_v they_o but_o we_o conjoin_v the_o former_a and_o latter_a word_n verbis_fw-la and_o make_v the_o one_o material_a and_o the_o other_o formal_a and_o expound_v they_o in_o this_o sort_n thou_o shall_v make_v unto_o thyself_o no_o grave_v image_n intend_v to_o use_v the_o same_o contrary_n to_o the_o word_n of_o the_o law_n follow_v which_o prohibit_v the_o adoration_n of_o all_o create_v and_o artificial_a form_n when_o our_o saviour_n in_o the_o gospel_n forbid_v to_o look_v on_o a_o woman_n to_o lust_n after_o she_o matth._n 5.28_o we_o may_v not_o divide_v the_o first_o and_o latter_a part_n for_o the_o look_v on_o a_o woman_n without_o lust_n be_v only_o material_a in_o the_o action_n and_o it_o may_v be_v lawful_a and_o in_o some_o case_n virtuous_a joh._n 19.26_o luk._n 7.44_o but_o we_o must_v conjoin_v the_o intention_n which_o be_v formal_a to_o the_o material_a aspect_n and_o then_o the_o same_o be_v vicious_a job_n 31.1_o genes_n 38.15_o and_o there_o be_v nothing_o more_o common_a in_o the_o holy_a scripture_n than_o for_o the_o former_a part_n of_o a_o doctrine_n or_o commandment_n to_o be_v expound_v limit_v and_o receive_v his_o kind_n from_o the_o latter_a part_n mark_n 10.11_o luk._n 16.18_o psal._n 37.21_o job_n 31.26_o 27._o isaiah_n 5.8_o 11._o luk._n 14.12_o 13._o if_o it_o be_v object_v that_o there_o be_v a_o sof_n pasuch_n or_o full_a point_n at_o the_o end_n of_o the_o sentence_n which_o forbid_v the_o make_n of_o image_n i_o answer_v first_o that_o in_o the_o place_n of_o leviticus_fw-la cap._n 26.1_o there_o be_v no_o such_o period_n or_o full_a point_n second_o because_o the_o make_n of_o some_o kind_n of_o image_n to_o wit_n visible_a image_n and_o representation_n of_o god_n according_a to_o his_o deity_n venerari_fw-la deut._n 4._o 16._o be_v unlawful_a in_o itself_o seclude_v adoration_n therefore_o the_o spirit_n of_o god_n forbid_v both_o the_o make_n of_o image_n to_o wit_n of_o false_a 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